Every time the "stay in school" thing comes up, invariably someone comes out of the woodwork with the story of how they never went to school and went on to be wildly successful. To be clear -- I'm super happy for those people! Good for them. At the same time, I treat that advice about the same way I treat the story of the cigarette smoker who lived to 95: that's a great story, but the odds of someone else being successful following the same strategy are worse than average. To any people of college age (or below) reading this, you want the deck stacked for you, not against you. Get an education.
you can do better anon I believe in you
it doesnt matter if you go to school or not, as long as you strive and are dedicated in your craft youll make it big
education establishments is just a framework, not a guarantee - there a plenty of people who attend college passively, thinking of a handout at the end, who become stuck working hourly. but theres plenty of people who take advantage of resources and networking in college that allow them to make footholds to reach it big.
on the other side, learning a skill or craft or climbing the corporate ladder IS education - just not in an establishment. these people, who toil day in and day out and remain dedicated do better than people who passively attend college
Averages really don't tell you much.
Take oil for instance. If the world's oil was evenly distributed throughout the crust (this is the average part) it wouldn't be economical to extract oil. But it's not evenly distributed, there are parts with very high concentrations, then many more areas with none. This is why averages a shit.
Honestly the university system is pretty shit.
You can just turn up to the lectures even if you're not a student and you could get some grad student to tutor you for the classes and grade your assignments/exams (which you could get your hands on with not too much difficulty depending on the course/uni). Once you factor in all the holidays it's a massive waste of time. The only reason it's worthwhile is networking and the certificate. Unless you need access to their labs, the certificate, or the networking, university is an extremely inefficient way to learn anything.
The networking is pretty shit at most universities.
Depends on what you're doing as well in university ( what kind of degree ) if you're doing a BA likely you're not learning much that is practical and are pretty much sitting there going through units to get a certificate to tell that you are not dumb.
Telling people to go into 50k-100k debt so the deck isn't stacked against them is the most retarded thing to do.
Higher education is ONLY GOOD if you have a clear objective of what you want to do, that you know it PAYS enough to service your loan, and that it's something you're ALREADY passionate about
If you're even unsure of one of the above then save yourself some money and go with a ACCREDITED community college then transfer to a larger college/university if you wish to pursue your education.
>I can't figure out how people with no college opportunity are better than me.
I treat people spouting college as the heroine addict. You're life feels better when you're on heroine but it'll destroy you in the long run. Unless your family subsidizes you, to go to school, avoid it and figure out a better way.
I was fat
>I got skinny and I still feel bad
I didn't have a girlfriend
>I got a girl and I still feel bad
I didn't have enough money
>I made a lot of money and I still feel bad
>realized I bitch too much
The best thing to do is work in a remote area. Doesn't have to be too dangerous, but if you live on camp you will have no housing costs. takes a particular kind of person though I guess. I am a tradesman and I make decent money not working at camp, but I have to work overtime in summer and I have to buy a bunch of tools, which I actually enjoy but it does cost significantly. I make probably $25/hr, it varies from 19-33 depending on performance. apprentice too btw, but I live in canada
I'm 25, have an asscociates degree. I was about to transfer to a university but dropped it a month before transferring. I now make $100k in commission sales.
You make sure the odds are in your favor. "Education" doesn't mean getting a degree from school. It's about aquiring skills (everything can be found on the Internet) that will help you achieve your goals in life.
>Most degrees are just memes. Trades and applied skills are where you'll make some good cash.
What makes you think Trades are less of a meme when it has a lower barrier of entry and people who are too stupid to grasp highschool-level Algebra will just flood it?
50% of bartenders in usa have completed uni degree
are you implying universities dont have low barrier of entry if over 50% of the population go to universities nowadays. that's why the schools are flooded with 100iq average morons.
it's a complete waste of time, trash paper on the wall and no employer give you any credit of your degree
I could actually really use some advice right now, I'll try to lay out my situation as briefly as possible. Basically I'm extremely intelligent, and extremely gifted socially and verbally, and very knowledgable in some assorted fields. But I've been lazy as fuck in regards to school my entire life. I was always in the top programs (from gifted in elementary and middle, to IB in high) and have always been one of those kids who didn't do any of the homework, or study a second in his life; but always managed to ace all the tests without trying which left me with good enough grades to not fail, but by no means good grades. I ended up getting a deal for college where I'd be able to get into a good school after just one semester at a community college in its area, if I were to get A's and B's. That semester just ended, and I got two A's and three F's, leaving me in utter limbo as to what I do with my life from here on. I've never had any motivation or desire to do well in school whatsoever, but I've always written it off as just me trying to justify my laziness (like the "this is never going to apply in real life, mom" kids.) But now I'm really starting to ponder if schooling is just wrong for me. I'm incredibly motivated when it comes to doing something I enjoy, this summer I actually stayed awake for 72 hours and wrote a screenplay in that time that ended up getting me a 4000$ scholarship (which I've lost now due to my grades unfortunately.) My writing skills have always been off the charts, and I truly love writing. I've also always been extremely extroverted and charismatic, and have always prided myself with my ability to read and correctly respond to anyone I meet or know. I also have a lot of knowledge in psychology, film, acting, music, art and fashion; though I realize that's basically a list of majors for the white girl who intends to do absolutely nothing with her life. I've won quite a few contests and awards in writing, acting and film though.
However, I really would rather be wealthy and indifferent to my job, than poor and a high school drama teacher. I learn extremely quickly, and feel confident that I could almost master any area I really dedicated myself to just using the Internet. I've never really loved biology, but I've always been fantastic in it and know quite a bit if that would be a better path.
I'm truly sorry for my ramblings, I've all but quit drinking recently, but I'm in a different demension of hungover at the moment. But if anyone feels like deciphering all of that, and giving me any career advice at all, it would be extremely appreciated.
>are you implying universities dont have low barrier of entry if over 50% of the population go to universities nowadays. that's why the schools are flooded with 100iq average morons.
Much less graduate Universities, let alone in something like STEM or Finance.
>Basically I'm extremely intelligent, and extremely gifted socially and verbally, and very knowledgable in some assorted fields. But I've been lazy as fuck in regards to school my entire life.
Same with everyone.
Protip: You're not as smart as you think you are.
Yeah, I knew someone was going to say something along those lines, I was considering not putting anything regarding intelligence in my original post. I don't see what reason I'd have to lie on here, unless you're imply I'm just delusional; which is very possible. I scored a 2300 sometime on my SAT, though that was most likely a fluke and I realize tests like that mean fuck all when talking actual intelligence.
Any recommendations on what to do in school's place? Right now I'm just leaning towards getting a retail job and working on my writing, but the whole writing thing might just be a pipe dream.
>Man, im glad i dont live in the land of the free
It's not nearly the case for most people.
In fact getting $50-100k in debt is nearly impossible unless you study something like Pharmacy or go to med/law school.
Average student loan debt is $30k in the US and if you (like a smart person) get grants, scholarships and work during school it can effectively be almost free.
>Yeah, I knew someone was going to say something along those lines, I was considering not putting anything regarding intelligence in my original post. I don't see what reason I'd have to lie on here, unless you're imply I'm just delusional; which is very possible. I scored a 2300 sometime on my SAT, though that was most likely a fluke and I realize tests like that mean fuck all when talking actual intelligence.
Intelligence without working hard means nothing.
You can have all the potential you want, unless you make use of it, you might as well have been an 80 iq imbecile.
That I can't answer. If you are unsure, school isn't that bad. It depends. If you have a clear view of what you want to do and the capabilities, then it's more of a calculated risk than stupidity
>If you're dumb and educated you won't be successful.
You will be a lot more successful than you would be without a degree though.
A decent degree offers you a very nice life, sufficient for the needs of most people. (decent place to live, enough food, enough savings, 1-2 vacations per year and quite a bit of expendable income). Most people do not need $300k+/yr and would be perfectly fine with $80k-100k/yr after 5 years of experience or so, which is what nearly every STEM degree gets you.
> I'm incredibly motivated when it comes to doing something I enjoy,
>doing something I enjoy,
useless skill. In other words you are not motivated at all to do something you find tiudious or hard.
Overcoming this will be the greatest challenge of your 20s.
I know imported Mexicans in college that have a sub-highschool vocabulary, and are slow in the head that pass college in 3.5 years and get decent jobs because they don't look at school work as something that is supposed to be fun. IQ means nothing if you don't progress
I just have no real passion for it, and have a hard time selling/marketing something that ,I myself, am not interested in.
we didnt provide anything very disruptive other than everything in one place
also the amount of money required to run effective ad campaigns for a social media platform can make one feel like cutting out the stress and just burning the money for warmth instead.
I found myself spending less and less time "IRL" and more time on the computer learning about internet trends, astro turfing, advertisements and bs "marketing psychology"
You're right, that makes sense. I can get in a damn near manic state of productivity when writing, working on film, doing anything I get excited about, etc. I seriously get such a dopamine and energy rush in those times that it seriously feels exactly like I'm on amphetamines, and I just wish there was some way for me to do some mental gymnastics and harness that energy and put it towards something worthwhile. I've always wished that with that ambition I were able to just skip the whole college deal, and go straight into a career, as I really feel there's very little practical material for me to actually learn anymore. But I realize that's not the way our world works, and I'm going to have to put in some hard work that I won't enjoy regardless of my path to get to a place in my career I can be proud of. I absolutely admit that I've been lazy my entire life; so this is more an explanation than an excuse, but it really just feels impossible for me to find that motivation at this point in my life.
Anyone have any tips at all to help me such it up and stop being such a whiny little bitch?