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I want to move to the US to live there.

What is the best career plan to do so? What major should I consider in order to establish residency and get a job easily?
Is computer science the best choice?
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>>1021137
I'm doing a MEng in Mechanical Engineering with like 2 years of that being in industry. Fuck know what I'm gonna end up doing after that, I'd say CompSci if you have what it takes
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>>1021164
CS is interesting but what matters isn't that, I want to know which major/career moves can make it easier to move to the US to live and work.
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>>1021171
CS.
All it takes is to look up career vacancies on job sites bud. A ton of CS jobs are available and offer visas.
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>>1021182
You sure about that? I thought it was much more difficult than that to get a job in the US as a foreigner. Aren't US employers forced to hire citizens?

Will I have to get a master's in any case or is a BS sufficient?
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>>1021182

what would the skillset of a perfect nondegree CS -job applicant look like?

is there a language hierarchy? is no degree a huge issue when applying for tech jobs? i know it's an issue but have no real idea of how big of an issue.
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>>1021137
>I want to move to the US to live there.
Why? I'm an Irish & Australian citizen with my US Green card and gotta tell you it ain't that special here. I'd prefer Europe or Canada. If you make it in USA you can make it in a big way (eg your op pic) but the opposite is also true. If you make it in other countries you might not get billions but you're still up there but if you struggle at least government have shit in place to help out.

I just like it here because gunz
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>>1021190
I don't care about making it big, I just want to move to the midwest (ideally) and have a decent life.
How did you get your green card?
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>>1021137
OP your best legit bet is to join a major corporation, do damn good work, make sure you get noticed for it consistently, and then request an office transfer to the U.S. branch. They should say yes and start you on your path to move (it'll take 1-2 year), and if they don't then you use your damn good job experience to get a better job offer at another company, then you show that to your manager and say this is your 2 week notice (be firm, but polite). They might be willing to send you to the U.S. to keep you.

It's going to take a long while no matter what.
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>>1021137
Im sorry to break it to you senpai but we are full over here....maybe try Canada?
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>>1021137
Drug dealer. Be illegal immigrant and just be deported come back and do it all again
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>>1021326
Is there absolutely no other way than that? No exceptions or special circumstances?
I used to know a guy with a PhD (I don't remember in what subject) whom I think managed to become a permanent resident of the US in less than a year. I've lost contact with him but he definitely didn't take a long time to move there, so I'm guessing there's exceptions to what you're saying.
>>1021328
>full
What do you mean?
Canada looks nice, but similarly, I have no idea how I could obtain permanent residency there either. Seems that the barrier of entry is the same as in the US
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>>1021197
>>1021655
Bump
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Of course there's other ways. Start your own corporation in one of the states. Nevada has the most privacy. That way you can enter the US for indefinite periods on Business. After a few years of success apply for citizenship as a productive member of society.
Your best bet is to get the advice of an immigration attorney who understands business immigration.

But basically start a company.
employ self.
acquire business visa.
acquire citizenship.

Its much more paperwork intensive but that's all it is.
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>>1021137
Consider Canada. And learn a trade.
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>>1021873
>Consider Canada
I'm more attracted to the US, but North America in general looks good to me. Then again, how are immigration laws different in Canada? It doesn't seem to be any easier to get in.
>learn a trade
What are the best ones to learn?
Is CS not in-demand enough?
>>1021872
>you can enter the US for indefinite periods on business
Isn't there a catch to this? Wouldn't everyone do it as a facade in order to stay in the United States indefinitely, while working illegally on the side?
What kind of business can you open, own and operate if you're not a citizen nor a green card holder?
>immigration attorney
I'll look into that, could I just go to a consulate/embassy and ask for a meeting with an immigration specialist?
>Its much more paperwork intensive
In the sense that it'll take years of unavoidable bureaucratic and administrative bullshit, or just that it's time consuming to deal with?
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>>1021872
are you chinese?
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>>1021873
>learn a trade
I absolutely LOVE this troll, because besides the ammonia-bleach-copper-crystal troll that leaves you inhaling mustard gas, it's the only one on 4chan that will actually completely ruin your fucking life
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>>1021872

Are you a chinaman?
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>>1021877
Its not illegal to own a business in the US. And of course there are snags and rough edges. If you're diligent you can smooth them over in time. If not you have to repeat the process.
I doubt consulates or embassy''s are going to want to direct you to people who are messing with the system in ways they don't like. Find a few attorneys online who at least talk the talk. Narrow them down and go visit a few to see what needs to be done. Try to get one who's gotten people from your country before.
Maybe get one in your country and the US to tackle the case from both sides.

Paperwork wise yes and yes. There are multiple avenues you might pursue, none of them is very easy. but stay calm and do the work and you'll get in it might just take forever.
Marry a US citizen is always on the list. A friend was gay and fled persecution b/c his dad punched him in the face.
You might also want to try US territories as well. Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, and the US Virgin Islands.
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>>1021883
>completely ruin your fucking life

why would that be the case?
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>>1021899
Most tradesmen are completely inept with their money. I have met more completely broke and destitute tradesman than anything else.
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>>1021872
>That way you can enter the US for indefinite periods on Business
B1/B2 visa 6 months at a time at most
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>>1021883
Okay then, enjoy being a wage cuck.
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>>1021877
Best trades to learn are electrical, HVAC, welding, plumbing, etc. Start your own business, dude. Fuck working for someone else. Become an apprentice and once you finish, you'll make way more than anyone with a CS degree.

>>1021903
>thinking CS degree will make you a millionaire like learning a trade could.
Do you even business? If you wanna be a fucking nerd and do CS which everyone is trying to do and will be saturated as fuck by 2020, go to /g/ and feed them that bullshit. This is /biz/, dude. I'm giving this guy valuable advice from someone who knows what he's talking about.
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>>1021183
no one is forced to hire citizens in the US, CS attracts lots of foreign talent, but im not sure how competitive it is look up H1B visas in the US there was some recent legislation changes
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>>1021983
Yeah let's just bring a bunch of refugees here with CS degrees. That'll be just great.
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>>1021894
My ID changed but I'm OP.

>Its not illegal
I doubt a foreigner can just open up a business as he wants, right? Or are there states where it's easy?
>snags and rough edges
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. It's a legal gray area? What do you mean by "repeat the process"? Sorry if I'm being dense

Is it expensive to hire such an attorney?>it might just take forever
How long are we talking? I don't mind as long as I can move, but I'd like to know how tedious I can expect things to be.
>Marry
Marrying a woman is a poor investment from what I know; marrying a guy would be pretty suspicious.
What about the green card lottery? Are there ways to make it work in my favor?
>US territories
I'd like to know more about this. Is it easier to get in than mainland US? How is the process different?
What about Canada (it's not a US territory but it's still relevant to my interests)
>>1021983
>attracts a lot of foreign talent
Which degrees and specializations would make me the most competitive? Since CS is on the way to oversaturation, I'm guessing there are other subjects.
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>>1021183
>Aren't US employers forced to hire citizens?

Not sure where you heard this
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>>1022026
Aren't US employers forced to hire US citizens or to certify that the person they're hiring is not stealing a job from a US citizen? Also it's much harder for an employer to hire a foreigner, administratively and financially. So why would they be compelled to do it?
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>>1021954
I'll enjoy working 40 hours a week without breaking my fucking back at 35 while still earning twice as much as you you retarded plum
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>>1021966
>I studied plumbing aka cleaning pipes of shit for 2 years
>I know what I'm talking about

Try reading anything, ever, then come back to us
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>>1022062
Lol twice as much? Keep thinking that, kiddo. Electrical contractors with their own business make fucking bank. You won't make shit and will likely work at the Apple Store selling iPhones.
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>>1022066
Never said I studied plumbing. And you don't know shit about trades dude. They're way better than going to college. Almost no one regrets going and learning one. Who would a woman rather fuck? A man that can fix a heater or unclog a toilet or run wire or weld something or a nerd that spends all his time on the computer? I think the answer is quite clear. My cousin who had his own electrical business cleared a million dollars one year but that's not typical. It all depends. But I can say on a good day he'd make more than any CS grad.
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>>1022069
*has
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>>1022069
>I chose my job to be cleaning shit out of people's toilets 8 hours a day to get women

Tongue in cheek of course but come on mate you cannot be serious. If you're a lesser intelligent person then yes don't go to fucking college because you'll only waste your money and you probably won't get a good job because you suck, but don't tell reasonably smart people to get into a trade man, that's just fucking up their life.

Oh and I do actually know my fair share about what trades are like, most of my family does it, and I've done it myself part-time in high school next to studying.

By the way how do you know when someone's dumb? They call smart people nerds. Well hate to break it to you buddy but smart people run the world and, for obvious reasons, are generally more successful in practically every area of life. I think working a trade is exactly where you belong.
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>>1021137
>>1021872
what this guy said.

You see a lot of those chinese resturaunts/nailshops/drycleaning/froyo places these days because it's a guaranteed way to stay in the country and you get fasttracked into citizenship.
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>>1022086
>thinking I want to be a shit tier (literally) plumber
Nahson. Trying to get into an electrical apprenticeship.

>Mate
Britbong detected. Go brush your teeth, bro.

>but don't tell reasonably smart people to get into a trade man, that's just fucking up their life.

How? By giving them a great option besides getting into debt by going to a four year college? Prove me wrong that trades are a bad alternative to college. And also provide me fact that tradesman are more stupid than college grads. A college grad couldn't hack it on a work site.
>Oh and I do actually know my fair share about what trades are like, most of my family does it, and I've done it myself part-time in high school next to studying.

Doing what? Hammering some fucking nails? Plunging a toilet? You know nothing of trades, kid. My uncle works for a home builder, my other uncle is an master HVAC technician and my cousin is an electrician and my cousins husband works for Amtrak as a mechanic making almost 100k a year. I've got more tradesman in my family than you can shake a stick at.

Why don't you finish high school first before spewing that anti-trade bullshit?
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>>1022088
Same with those Indians that work at Shell stations or Dunkin Donuts over here on visas.
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we don't want you here,
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>>1000000
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>>1022093
Apprentice electrician here. I admit there are dumb people in the trades, but I am so glad I did this instead of going to school for 4 years. If I dont like where I work I can leave and easily find a job somewhere else. Its not for everyone, but its job security and I am proud of what I do
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>>1022118
Thanks for the feedback. I'll look into it since I'm having the state pay for whatever the fuck I want to do anyway since I'm working with vocational rehabilitation. How much are you making and which year are you into?
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>>1022099
I'm willing to work for Shell or Dunkin Donuts as long as it allows me to eventually obtain a green card, but how is it possible?
Do I just call them up and ask them if they want to hire a foreigner for a lower salary than normal?
I'm white though
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>>1022124
>wants to get his green card
Then you'd have to go through an immigration attorney. Talk to one of them if you can afford it.
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>>1021872
nah pretty sure you can't convert a temporary visa allowing you to visit for extended periods into a green card or citizenship...

you need to actually live there full time and simply setting up a small corporation doesn't cut it - there is a process to enter based on investment and/or employing US citzens but it has much tighter requirements re: the minimum amount of investment and/or the number of people you employ

you're looking at a seven figure sum to get actual residency then possible citizenship via a business investment
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>>1021916
yup and are not a route to green cards or citizenship
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>>1022121
i get my journeymans in two weeks and will be getting 25/hr then probably max out at 30. Its not insanely good money but not bad for someone with no bachelors degree. I make less because at this time I focus on household electrical. If you focus on industrial you make more. That being said, if you can get the state for pay for a four year degree I would do that.
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>>1022134
They only want to pay for a two year degree at the moment. That or me getting some computer certifications. Why get a four year degree though? And in what? If you say CS, I will rage.
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>>1022134
haha well get a two year degree in electrical tech or instrument tech. hell even welding, just beware of the potential health effects. If you have to pay your own way then dont get a four year degree. Any particular reason you dont want to do CS? I know the math is a pain in the ass and it looks boring.
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>>1022160
Because it's meme-tier and oversaturated, that's why. Plus I'd hate to work with fucking computers all goddamn day. I do that already and get bored of it really quick.

Plus I want my own business by the time I hit my thirties and having a CS degree wouldn't give me that luxury.

Another thing, why get a two year degree in electrical engineering technology (which is all that they offer at my local CC) if I want to do a trade which is around 5 years long? That would be over seven years of time, dude. Might as well get straight on with the apprenticeship while I'm behind. I'm already almost 24. By the time I finish, I'd be 29 or 30.
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>>1022164
oh i didnt mean electrical engineering technology. I did a two year electrical tech program, which in my state counts halfway towards the 4 years needed to be a journeyman. Every state has different rules. What state are you in friend?
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>>1022173
Delaware. They don't have electrical tech here. You have to do the whole fucking apprenticeship if you want to be a journeyman.
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>>1022130
>>1022126
Wait, it's possible to create a company in the country of my choice, right?
As long as I create a revenue-generating business in the US that isn't a facade for shady shit, why wouldn't I be able to stay on the territory by employing myself?
>>1022125
Well a green card's the only way to establish permanent residency in the US right? How do the Indian guys at Dunkin Donuts manage to become residents?
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>>1022181
wow I did not know that. Well if you move to washington its only two years to be a residential journeyman, or four to be commercial. technically you can run your own business without being a journeyman you just have to take and pass what is called an administrator's test. anyone can take it no matter how long they've been in the trade
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>>1022185
Wrong. Green card is the easy way. Permanent citizenship through the government is the hardest. You have to be sworn in and shit.

And they don't manage to become residents.
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>>1022191
I wouldn't trust a dude who's only been working for two years to be a residential journeyman. Is that DC or Washington state?
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>>1022306
state. you still have to pass a test to be a journeyman. not a perfect system but there is plenty of work
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>>1022057
>>1022026
I've heard this as well
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>>1021655
Yeah he likely got a work visa immediately. If a company accepts you for work they can get you over that week and give you a work visa, but you don't have a rare PhD with years of experience like the guy you knew.

Only people with business, education, or family connections get USA citizenship, and only exceptional people get them quickly.
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EB only way realistically. The having a business meme requires you to hire something like 10 us citizens for a year before you even get considered.
Be smart,study at a good uni, and get a visa through an employer
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To add see the different types of employment visas. Having a phd/masters is a benefit because you can go for an eb2? I think
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>>1022302
>Green card is the easy way
You're talking exclusively about the lottery here, aren't you?
>they don't manage to become residents
Which means that they're illegals?
>>1022329
>you don't have a rare PhD with years of experience
Is that pretty much a requirement for such a fast procedure?
I'm not in a position to be picky, but being able to move to the US as quickly as possible would be a big plus for me, obviously. How "exceptional" do you have to be for that?
>business, education, or family
You mean owning a business?
I don't have close relatives in the US, but I do have family (my great-uncle and aunt) in Maine or something like that. Is that irrelevant?
>>1022342
>10 us citizens for a year
Isn't that possible by opening a franchise? It does require a big amount of money, though.
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>>1021197
Marriage. I still don't get why you're set on moving to USA. As a resident of Europe Australia and USA I figured I could offer some feedback. If you're not a gun nut there's much better places to aspire too. Why the Midwest? I've lived in Chicago, rural Illinois & now in Arizona, Scottsdale area.
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>>1022438
>I still don't get why you're set on moving to USA
I've grown up around expats and their kids in my city's American community, so I've had the opportunity to really compare my country and the US, and after thinking about it, I think I'd be happy in the latter. I've had the time to realize the massive flaws of North America and weigh the pros and cons of moving in a relatively objective way, so it's not really a "muh American dream, grass is greener there" situation.
>If you're not a gun nut
I love shooting though. Owning guns is extremely difficult here, and carrying is impossible.
Of course that's not the main reason, but it's a big plus for me.
>Why the Midwest
I had a childhood friend from Nebraska at one point and he made me want to go there. I think I'd like it. The Northeast also seems nice.
I don't like overly populated areas (I've been living in a big city my whole life), so I think I'd be happy in a small town in middle America.
>rural Illinois
Did you like it?
I love large places with a lot of natural scenery and few people.
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>>1022185
yeah you can create a company

you're not necessarily going to get permanent residence just because you've created a company

if you want to migrate on a work based visa then you need to be recruited for a highly skilled role and join the annual lottery for H1B visas... or there are visas for senior execs already working for multinationals etc..

I don't think merely incorporating a company in the US then claiming you're the CEO is necessarily going to cut it in itself

if you've got a legit company that employs sufficient US citizens and invests above the required amount then sure go that route... you'll basically need to be worth seven figures at least to do it
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@OP

this is the setting up a business requirements:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EB-5_visa

The EB-5 visa provides a method of obtaining a green card for foreign nationals who invest money in the United States.[1] To obtain the visa, individuals must invest $1,000,000 (or at least $500,000 in a Targeted Employment Area - high unemployment or rural area), creating or preserving at least 10 jobs for U.S. workers excluding the investor and their immediate family.[1] Initially, under the first EB-5 program, the foreign investor was required to create an entirely new commercial enterprise; however, under the Pilot Program investments can be made directly in a job-generating commercial enterprise (new, or existing - "Troubled Business"[2]), or into a "Regional Center" - a 3rd party-managed investment vehicle (private or public), which assumes the responsibility of creating the requisite jobs. Regional Centers may charge an administration fee for managing the investor's investment.


as you can see it isn't as simply as just paying a few thousand to establish a corporation in the US... I mean plenty of mexicans pay decent fees to people smugglers if all they had to do was register a corporation then they'd already be doing it themselves....
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>>1022503
>you're not necessarily going to get permanent residence
Might not, but wouldn't the company make it much easier to stay on the territory for long periods of time? Can I get kicked out if I'm running a relatively successful business on US soil that employs US citizens?

>a highly skilled role
What are the most in-demand, valuable degrees right now?
I don't feel comfortable getting into a trade. My main option as I mentioned earlier is CS, but a lot claim that it's over-saturated. I don't really know what to do in order to make myself as attractive as possible to potential employers.
I'm not willing to study for more than 5 years though, considering that I've already wasted one year, so an MD or PhD is out of the question, I guess.
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easiest way in if you're not a millionaire is:

a) marry a US citizen
b) work for a multinational with offices in your country and in the US then get transferred to the US office
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>>1022511
>Might not, but wouldn't the company make it much easier to stay on the territory for long periods of time?

that has been answered above - you can stay for 6 months... it isn't a route that will lead to citizenship unless you're going down the EB-5 route
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>>1022510
>>1022518
I see, so I'd basically have to invest 500K+ into that business and employ 10 US citizens or more to be eligible. That sounds very hard to do considering my situation right now.

But that means that anyone who runs a successful business in the US that doesn't meet the EB-5 requirements gets kicked out?

>>1022514
>marry a US citizen
Isn't marriage a very poor decision most of the time?
I'd go to Vegas and marry a stripper right now if I weren't scared of the financial consequences it might have on my life in the future.

>then get transferred to the US office
Or get directly hired in the US office?
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>>1022511
>What are the most in-demand, valuable degrees right now?

study something you'll enjoy else you're unlikely to become good at it

if it turns out you're mediocre at CS after studying it because technical skills are in demand then you're not getting through interviews for one of those jobs offering H1B sponsorship or getting into a multinational with US offices anyway...
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>>1022521
>But that means that anyone who runs a successful business in the US that doesn't meet the EB-5 requirements gets kicked out?

why would you set up a business requiring your physical presence in a country you don't have the right to reside in?
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>>1022521
>Or get directly hired in the US office?

I gave you the easier options

H1B as an outsider is likely harder than transferring internally as an existing employee
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I want to try the EB-3 way as a skilled professional

I need to make sure qualified workers are not availible in the US

I can choose between these masters programmes

- Econometrics (very rare in US)

- Actuarial Sciences (common, job market isn't that great)

- Mathematical Economics (don't know)

- Operations Research (and Quantative Logistics) (don't know, but every major company has an OR department)

- Quantative Finance (pretty common)

- Business Analytics and Quantative Marketing (idk what this even is)

- Big Data Business Analytics (as I understand, this is a meme degree)
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>>1022524
>study something you'll enjoy
Considering that I have no true passions that I can make money with realistically, I don't really care about what I study as long as it's not downright uninteresting. I've never studied CS but it seems quite interesting to me - especially since I'm more about hands-on, practical stuff and CS in my country is taught as software engineering rather than pure theoretical computer science.
Are there any degrees that are more in-demand than computer/software-related stuff right now? If not, CS/Software Eng. sounds like the right choice.

I'm doing finance right now and I'm hating it because of the overly theoretical approach and inapplicable concepts.

If I could study anything I wanted to without caring about the money or being employable, I'd do something literary/language-related perhaps, but that's out of the question if I ever want to leave my country.

>>1022529
I guess you're right. But what about the foreigners who move to Palo Alto or NYC to create startups?
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>>1022549

do you live in a country eligible for the green card lottery - that could be another approach

>But what about the foreigners who move to Palo Alto or NYC to create startups?

can you give an example of one?
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>>1022552
Yeah, my country's eligible, but isn't it extremely unlikely to ever get selected? I basically have a 2% chance.
Or is the "lottery" biased in favor of people who hold degrees and are qualified, despite what the website states?

>can you give an example of one
I'm not sure, but my brother had a classmate who established what seems to be an independent consulting office in NYC. I don't know the specifics but it looks like he's been there, along with his associate, for more than two years now. The company's working extremely well and I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled eight figures, though
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>>1022560
tis worth a shot regardless surely... your chances of a H1B visa if you don't really know what you want to do, don't know what to study would seem to be pretty low too
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>>1022560
perhaps you should ask your brother's classmate then

you generally can't simply move to the US permanently simply because you want to set up a startup... the EB-5 requirements are as above...
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>>1022566
Yeah, it sucks that I'm not passionate enough to pursue a field of study out of sheer interest.
So is my only realistic option the lottery, or should I still talk to an immigration lawyer to see if there are other ways?

I thought that my relatively low standards in terms of employment would be an advantage, but even Dunkin donuts seems out of reach

>>1022568
I'll try to contact the guy but it's been some time since my brother last talked to him, I don't know if he'll help.
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>>1022566
By the way, I can't seem to find any info on that on the Internet; can you reapply for the green card lottery as much as you want? Meaning by that, could I apply for 2017, then 2018 if I don't get selected, then 2019, etc, until I get it (hopefully)?

My country doesn't get a huge number of applicants per year (around 50 000, which is still substantial but nowhere near China/India's level)
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>>1022574
?China and India are both not in the green card lottery? What are you looking at.
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>>1022633
I thought they weren't in the lottery anymore (but used to be) because of the high number of applicants
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do not come, you are not welcome with donald trump in offic
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I've asked that question earlier in the thread but it hasn't been addressed.

Is it as hard to move to Canada compared to the US?
A few anons already recommended I look into emigrating to Canada, the thing is, I don't know much about the country and how different it is from the USA.
I'm assuming it's also a nice place from what I've heard, but I'd appreciate it if someone could give me some info about the country itself as well as its immigration policies.
I'm taking a look at the relevant website right now, but input from people who actually live there, know about the place or have gone through the immigration process is always better.
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>>1021328
>We're full
Kek'd then made me kinda angry and idk why
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>>1022543
bumping for this
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>>1022725
Have you spent time in the US? It's a violent country - yes, we do have a gun problem. And no, our schools are not safe. No universal healthcare. An incredibly stupid populace. I've been here for 3 decades - and have seen developing countries that are more livable than the US.

A lot of us would love to immigrate to Canada, or Australia. Alas, immigration laws are strict, and our families are here.

Just be open-minded, and please thoroughly vet your options.
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>>1023619
I said I had weighed the pros and cons of moving already. I know the US has issues, other countries do as well.

>immigrate to Canada
I asked >>1022725 but didn't receive any answer yet
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>>1021197
dont move to michigan. worst state to live in next to oklahoma
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>>1023675
West coast is best.
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>>1023709
Of the US or Canada?
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I would also like to know how to move to Canada. I'm French so that might help?
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>>1024008
>>1024008
>>1024008
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