Daily reminder that Bernie Sanders supporters are economically-illiterate manchildren
>Look mom, I reposted that Facebook article!
and this i why we don't elect joos. they learned they're lesson from the nazis alright. they treat everyone else just as bad or worse cause they can always use the excuse that "well someone did it to use so we know better than to do it to others." remember how Jesus touted the whole "treat others like you would treat yourself"? cause the joos didn't have and still don't have this concept.
Shut the fuck up with your racism. We've never elected a Jew to the white house and we're still right here at the precipice. I'm anti-bernie and don't need that type of bigotry to do it. Trump 2016
>tfw the other side admits they don't have an argument and recognizes that we are going to make that appeal to logic and reason.
Schupenheimer talked about the welfare liberals refutation of basic logic, but to see it to blatent. My god...
>Molyneux says bad things about Bernie so he must be a Trump supporter!
>Most of the anti-Bernie ones seemed to be arguments and not just shitlord bullshit, but feel free to logically refute that.
What? Thats makes no sense? OH MAN PUTTING BERNIE RIGHT NEXT TO A BLACK IS DEFINITELY A ARGUEMENT XXXDDDDD
this is a myth about vertical mobility
this is a myth about sanders' economic plan
this is a straw man designed to trick poor people
this is an artificial smoke screen about budgeting
this is another smoke screen about money in politics
misrepresenation of context and myth about debt
this is a matter of political opinion
something about hairy ghosts and blue people
no true scottsman
Dumbest. Fuck. Ever. You don't understand economics, and you fail to recognize that the end result of socialism is very negative for large countries with multi-ethnic demographics, how about that one? Get a life.
>if your business can't afford to pay 15 an hour than your business design is flawed.
How about learning a skill that's worth $15
No, we just want out tax dollars to go back to the people, instead of the current model of handouts for the rich.
Welfare for the poor costs you $65 a year.
Corporate welfare costs you $4300 a year.
You retards are mad at the wrong people, and that's exactly how the corporate media wants it.
Fallacy fallacy. Go ahead and take a class or two on world economic systems, maybe read Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy by Joseph Schumpeter, or even learn about it. Maybe go back through all of history and just soak in how many centuries of proof that you are wrong there really are. Then come back to me and suck my 8" dong.
Businesses will hire the absolute minimum amount of labor required to do the work.
That's true at $15/hour and equally true at $7.25.
Who is economically illiterate here? LMAO at conservatards and their long debunked bullshit lines.
>I just took logic at my local community college
How about some empirical data then?
>I just want single moms and the working poor to have a fucking shot for a change.
Maybe then they should spend less money on Xbox's and more more money on something productive.
Stop pretending that an artificial price floor will help people.
ROFL FDR's policies in the new deal held back the economic recovery for as much as seven years and many of them were developed to help large corporations and drive competitors out of business in order to stabilize the economy, legislation which was later overruled by the Supreme Court you DUMB FUCK.
And call me for what I am: a Classical Liberal
You're camp needs an education badly. So does mine, but at least we value hard work. Strike down the corporate welfare, yes, but do some other things that don't involve pandering to minorities or making things free for people who refuse to better themselves at my expense.
> daily reminder you're an edgy underage 'matured' libertarian who never took economics nor completed and l any research besides listening to fat uneducated people on the radio
> I'm a cuck who loves to get my ass rammed by 1% who pay zero taxes because I can't research because I'm a retarded gamergate libertarian neet oppressed majority git off b this is muh white male safe space
umm lets see last united states under socialism for long time broke up (believe it was called the USSR or something) china was failing until they pretty much adopted capitalism. entire euro-zone is shit 'cept Germany cause its fucking Germany and they can do good despite anything. and Sweden has a tiny fucking population compared to everything else mentioned. democracy and socialism work on a small scale but try and apply that to something like the united states (11 European countries can fit into Texas for fucks sake) it doesn't work and never will. cause why the fuck should people in area A work there asses off if they get the same as people in area b. read animal farm and pay very close attention to the horse boxer.
As a 26 year old who worked fucking mad hard to get a job where I work 9-5 in a professional office job where results matter, otherwise I don't get paid (I can make up to $300,000 or more a year, should I actually produce results in finding candidates for positions within 4 different C-level corporations), I have to say...
Bernie is a moron.
so labor, no matter the rate of inflation, is always going to be worth $8 or less right? No matter how much money corporations pocket by avoiding taxes, and how much wealth goes into the hands of the top tax brackets, minimum wage should always remain the same? Economics 101? Faggot
That's... that's not even an argument. What, do you think that's a magic fuckin word that just instantly defeats all opposition? Fits right in with your magical thinking, I guess.
Fucking kill yourself, you lazy, arrogant cunt.
I love how you attack an idiot that's not gonna make it to the grand finale. Bernie sanders is a joke. You might want to focus your energy on hillary as she's coming in through the back door and taking the lead, as in leadership of the United states of america
AND she's gonna destroy trump. Trumps to foolish and far to many people hate him
He's more hated the George Bush jr.
People look at trump and think things like
>so we're just going to take it from those rich fuckers til they're all out of money and then uh..we'll uhh...have another revolution!
actual autist alert, you people are fucking clowns
well then way the fuck did you learn a useless degree, normally you go to college to learn something which you can make money off, like programming/biology/chemistry or engineering
If you can't afford to pay your employees out of your budget, then your business is fail.
When a business can't pay their employees a living wage, the government has to step in and bail out these shittily run top heavy companies.
Let's see if you can actually refute this with a point instead of "I've done many business" .
Those jobs are going away too, can't you see the 1:1 pattern here? It's not fucking complex. This was the whole "capitalism cannot tolerate a barrier".
As an employer with ONLY a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders, there is an obvious course of action: reduce cost, promote profit (only by growth).
It is amoral.
Not even manchildren, just children. A lot of his supporters are teenagers who can't even vote. Even though his economic policies are a fantasy I still think he's the best candidate because he's probably the only one who won't start WW3
Getting ANYTHING through our current house/senate is a fantasy.
Turtle man will fuck over his own constituents because he thinks it makes Obama look bad.
He's holding people's quality of life hostage.
I voted Trump in Michigan, first time I've felt good about voting 2bh
I support Clinton. She has the best position on healthcare, banking regulation, energy policy, and a decent tax plan. I'm have mild concerns about too aggressive foreign policy, and gun control seems like a huge waste of time in America at this point.
On the other side, Trump and Sanders live in a fantasy world. So the choice is easy.
Dems are the party of blacks, illegals, and muslims. If you're white and vote Dem you really should just kill yourself first.
Meh, that was clumsy, but so was your overreach in calling sanders a racist and bigot.
He was saying that he doesn't know what it's like to be black in america, but that he surmises that its shittier than otherwise.
If you don't commit to philosophical charity, there will be none for you when you need it most.
So you provide no evidence or suggestion to why your theory on socialism is correct.
China was apparently a socialist country according to you and Germany is tugging along just fine because fuck it they're Germany. The swedish economical model would never work on a bigger scale because once again fuck it, it just wouldn't.
I wouldn't usually give a shit about reasoning like this on 4chan. However when someone makes a pathetic attempt at being sofisticated by trying to condemn an entire ideology by refereing to an allegorical book about animals and communism from 1945, my jimmies gets rustled really hard.
You have claimed one thing and you cant even prove it. Keep being a pigeon.
I feel no such compulsion when white people are the clear majority and the majority of voters are also men.
More people who are black are going to vote dem, and more people who vote rep are white, but most people who vote in either column are white.
Bernie is a fucking moron.
Let's raise minimum wage to 15 dollars and hour.
The cost of living goes up to compensate.
We're now back to square one. Jobs have shitty pay, businesses charge way too much, because hey, this dip shit at McDonalds is now making 15 dollars an hour, let's rape him for more money.
Meanwhile our currency devalues because everything is expensive and our dollar can't buy as much as it used to. OMFG, that's been happening for a long time. Whoda thunk it?!! Then our economy takes a nose dive into the shitter because the US dollar won't stand up on a global scale. Which has been a slow but gradual effect. Wow.
Vote Sanders, bankrupt the country.
The cost of living has no established correlation with minimum wage. This (wrong) argument was used against minimum wage at it's inception and was proven false then.
The reason why is obvious though. Goods and services do not exist in some 'free market' (see also: fantasy) vacuum where supply and demand set the cost. Thats fucking dumb. Prices are set by regulation, the economy of scale, subsidy, a MYRIAD of other factors have more weight than raw demand.
>Single moms and working poor
No one forced that dick inside her or forced her to carry to term. That was her choice that I don't need to pay for.
If you're working a job that can't afford you basic things like food, gas, and rent, you need to find another job. If you can't afford your car, Xbox live account, netflix, Amazon prime, direct t.v. Sunday ticket, etc... you are overspending
hey, let me know when you are ready for the report on weather or not the sky is blue. WSW report will be ready on monday, boss.
think whatever you want, but that was my first post in this thread
i have no horse in this race, just calling you out for being a faggot
good job on finally giving a source though, surely that wasnt to hard was it?
>>That was her choice that I don't need to pay for.
If you're working a job that can't afford you basic things like food, gas, and rent, you need to find another job.
So fuck her huh.... Even if she was raped and forced to pay for her children instead of going to school to get a better job?
No ever job out there is over 15$ an hour and most people need to work 2 jobs to make ends meet. Shit even people with degrees do this. But you are doing fine so fuck everyone else right?
It's cool to criticize Sanders' plan and all, but it's worth noting that literally every other republican in the race has an economic plan that would be far more disastrous than anything Bernie could come up with.
The problem with people fighting against raising the minimum wage is that people assume that only kids make that wage. There are plenty of americans that have to raise children on that wage, and they end up on welfare and assistance programs that the public ends up paying for while saving corporations money. In addition, even young people who DO make minimum wage won't be able to afford an education working that job. Minimum wage is a joke, I worked in college as a janitor making 11/hour and even then I wound up over $70k in debt. I wouldn't have even bothered working for minimum wage, since any minimum wage job isn't even worth putting on your resume unless you're a kid.
>The reason why is obvious though. Goods and services do not exist in some 'free market' (see also: fantasy) vacuum where supply and demand set the cost. Thats fucking dumb. Prices are set by regulation, the economy of scale, subsidy, a MYRIAD of other factors have more weight than raw demand.
And yet nobody is campaigning on the platform that we should be ending retarded things like subsidies and government involvement in private industry. Oh wait, someone is but if you mention that they have a good idea you're labeled a crazy person.
Ok if you are going to be a faggot, here is how he wants to pay for it.
You're still saying the results of her life choices are the responsibility of everyone else. They are not. I like how you keep moving the goalposts though. Now she's a rape victim, what's next?
OK. Enjoy your tax free 50 dollar cheeseburger from arby's.
Dear John Maynard Keynes and Henry Ford, please reach your hoary hand from beyond the veil of this world and end this simple simmian.
>Most people who are poor in america are white
But by percentage of population, there are far more poor blacks and hispanics, most of which are illegal and don't deserve anything but deportation. Blacks already have enough race-targeted benefits. I'm not paying for any more.
Your Taxes go far more to corporate welfare than they do for foodstamps. So maybe instead of being mad at a baby, you should be mad at trump who took your money 4 times and gloated about it to your face that he made a profit off it.
Reminder that our job crisis, healthcare crisis, and pretty much every other "crisis" we're currently facing were created by government fucking with the market. But don't worry, we'll fix it by having the government fuck with it some more.
This is pretty obviously not true. The military had costs of ~$600 billion in 2015 alone. 10 years of that with a complete tax on all million + income earners would be at least $6-7 trillion.
So we've been talking for a few posts, and you really have only said one thing. Thats not quite how an argument works if you just throw out buzzwords like Libtard
This is flat out wrong. If the free market was perfect then no one would have ever bothered to fuck with it. 95% of regulation is designed to address an issue that is causing issues, why do you blindly accept that the free market is somehow always right?
Seriously, who are these morons who think that the "free market" is not only always fair and equitable but also morally justified? It's a fairy tale. It's almost as stupid as trickle-down theory.
Yeah because companies with a sole interest of earning money will hire people to be nice, not because it's important for their company to work.
If you need x people to run a mcdonalds you will have to hire x people. You might cut a few jobs to save money but not close to half at all.
If they could run their company with half the people they would do it already, fucking retard.
>When trump supporters cant agree points, they post memes instead!
I'll address this, as someone from a country where the minimum wage is about $15.00
America employs more people at lower wages, but other countries employ less people and do more with them, the result is that there is less full-time employment, and more of a mixture of part-time - I think the American way is wasteful, you are paying more people half, but they lose time to do other things and be productive in other ways. (anecdotal source: American colleague who spoke of how many people are employed at outlets here as compared to the USA)
In my country our part-time employment mix is increasing while full-time employment is becoming less and less necessary, this is largely because of automation of many elements of industry and humans not being able to catch-up.
I guess, to summarise, I don't disagree with the premise of the quote, but you have to acknowledge that there are very different consequences.
Economics is a left hand side = right hand side equation
Increase wages, and companies find ways to do more with less.
little enlightened buddha over here.
Food is the highest traded and distributed commodity on the market.
It's price is not set by supply and demand. Nor is clothing, medicine, books, cars, or anything else you fucking buy.
This is a point that people don't seem to get. Would some jobs be lost upon the immediate adoption of a higher minimum wage? Yes, but it's not a direct and linear ratio relative to the % wage hike.
Another point people don't understand is that the general income of a population dictates how much they can consume, and by increasing income you can increase the ability of people to satisfy latent demand. More wages = more spending at businesses. That increased business income also helps offset the lost jobs. Another way to offset job loss is to raise prices a bit to help make your margins better, and since more people can afford to buy more shit, they can also afford higher prices. The increased prices would not need to be proportional to the increase of income for the vast, vast majority of businesses.
Everything bought is a product of Supply and Demand. No ones going to pay 30$ for a cheeseburger. So to stay in business, they must lower their prices to what someone will pay for their services.
Trump's tax plan is a recipe for massive debt.
So much for fiscal responsiblility.
Under the Sanders plan, everyone's taxes stay exactly the same, except those above 250,000 a year.
Are you making more than that? I doubt it.
But what do we get for that?
Medicare for everyone, not just the old and poor. (Before you start pissing on medicare, talk to someone that's actually on it. It's literally a lifesaver.)
Tuition at state and community colleges for every high-school graduate or GED holder.
Infrastructure that's not fucking crumbling.
A massive boost the the economy, as low income workers now have money to actually spend, rather than the bare minimum to survive.
Incentive for the poor to actually GET OFF WELFARE, because they no longer lose money switching from welfare to a shit-pay job.
Lol, this is shit, you could google 1000 better anti-trump images before even seeing this one
I'll save about 4k a year, without having to pay healthcare premiums, and that's assuming I didn't actually get sick (my coverage pays 80%, but 20% of a HUGE bill is more than I'd generally have.) My mom is disabled and on medicare. She's better off, when it comes to healthcare options than I am, and I'm paying 4k a year...
The massive numbers of part time workers can be traced back to companies trying to avoid providing insurance to employees since they arent full time. Now under obummer care, the employees get charged for not buying into the scam.
Medical care was cheaper back then because it was much cruder and less effective, as well as less regulated and far less successful. Hospitals didn't have to pay for shit like oncology suites or MRI machines or CAT scans or costly drug treatments because that shit didn't exist. Now it takes more than a stethoscope and a bottle of ether to be a doctor, and that shit costs money.
No one is going to operate a business that doesn't make money. If it costs more to make a burger than you can get in revenue, then the more you sell, the more debt you'll have. No one with a brain would do this. Just fucking think about it man.
Do you have an extra chromosome? Even bernie admits taxes on the middle class will be raised to pay for all his fantasies, the people over 250 will just be getting fucked harder than the people under 250. The only people that wont see a tax increase are the same people that barely pay any taxes and get most of that back at tax time.
>Trump's tax plan is a recipe for massive debt.
I agree, he's an idiot
>Under the Sanders plan, everyone's taxes stay exactly the same, except those above 250,000 a year.
This is bad, we're already taxing everyone too much. We should be focusing on cutting out wasteful spending instead, like our insane military budget.
>Are you making more than that? I doubt it.
Justifying theft because it doesn't affect you is immoral.
>Medicare for everyone, not just the old and poor. (Before you start pissing on medicare, talk to someone that's actually on it. It's literally a lifesaver.)
I'd rather have a choice in my health decisions.
>Tuition at state and community colleges for every high-school graduate or GED holder.
This is retarded, we should be focusing on stopping young people from getting into debt by making sure they know that the lie about a college degree being a magical piece of paper that guarantees you a good salary starting in any field is just that, a lie. We should also stop subsidizing universities that continue to hike up costs because they can, since subsidies just increase to match. They'll have to either lower tuition or get no tuition. It's pretty simple.
sweden is a awful place... the people of sweden and germany work like dogs so the gov can eat peoples money, if germany and sweden wasnt as socialist as it was, it would be like 10times richer actually
>ITT 247 Replies 71 Posters
BernieCucks are getting desperate.
This is now a Trump Thread
H I G H E N E R G Y
Because nothing changed when the internet came along. And we are not being replaced my robots.
Fuck right off with those flawed arguments.
>I just want single moms and the working poor to have a fucking shot for a change.
Single moms can do very well if they apply themselves. This I-shit-out-a-kid-someone-needs-to-take-responsibility-but-not-me mindset is what sets them up for failure. The "working poor" are people who are trying to live outside of their means. Apply yourself and maybe, just maybe some of these people will make something of themselves instead of settling and blaming everyone else.
The American economy is driven, in large part, by consumer spending. If you double their purchasing power you'll aid economic growth. And that's nothing but an argument to retard increases in minimum wage.
This argument is literally a century out of date. It was used in the early 1900s as an argument supporting a wage-race to the bottom. It did nothing for little for the workers, if anything, and a whole lot for the employers.
>Schupenheimer talked about the welfare liberals refutation of basic logic, but to see it to blatent. My god...
Funny how you see this when people post anti-trump memes, but fail to recognize the exact same behavior by your side farther up the thread.
i just watched right now, he doesnt even say all of that, and literally says white people don't know what its like to be poor or to be in the gettho. Hell, the quote he got from that lady didnt even state the officers were white, he just insinuated it himself. How da hell is that quote, "When your'e white[...}" out of context at all? That is literally what he said as a reaction to the situation, i.e. what he meant.
Try putting the part where he says "I would say" which is referring to an agreement with Hillary, in parenthesis because he goes back to quoatijg the black lady afterwards. Not the best worded sentences but this is absolutely a quote. The point behind this is to show that their is a lot of mistrust in the black community for the police.
You are literally retarded if you think the reason health care in America costs so much is because of new equipment.
Do you have any idea what hospitals charge for tests that cost them almost nothing to run? Do you have any idea what it costs to go the the ER and literally have a doctor say "lol I dunno maybe take some tylenol".
China was a country with alot of farmers, the majority of the population didnt have wages and lived of the land. Became capitalist and started to export as fuck, the taxes in china are probably lower than in most countries, because people in china dont pay taxes, theyre working "black".
In germany people work like dogs, theyre specialized in heavy industry that pays off well, they dont sell coffee beans.
Sweden is same as germany, swedens wealth was made after ww2, swedes also work very hard and sell high value products.
The government in sweden stands for half the BNP, i dont know how it is in germany and china, but i guess its the same. If the people had 75% of BNP they would be much richer than theyre today, with immigration and welfare its gonna crumble. According to IMF sweden is gonna be a 3rd world country in 20-30 years.
>If the minimum wage is 7.25, businesses can hire twice as many people!
>Literally believes that businesses will hire people more people than are required to do the work.
>Calls others ignorant and delusional
Hahhahahaahahahahhahahahahahahahha not bad mate
well compare sweden with norway, or these two with US. The cost of living is higher in norway but their salaries are higher, so they go to sweden to shop cause the prices are lower, theyre correlated with swedish wages.
The cost of living in US is lower cause salaries are lower.
is right, the wage rise will lead to inflation probably and the import of goods will rise in price which will lead to those with 15$ a hour will pay more for same products while companies that export will make more money, so big companies will gain from it, thats socialism, fuck the small buisness, we only want big factories where every1 works 15h a day so they can buy a bread loaf, welcome to soviet, oh wait, china ofc...
Are you really that thick? People don't pay workers minimum wage because they're incapable of paying them more, they're paying them less in order to get more money flowing to the top.
Stop spreading your cheeks for the rich fucks on wall street you cuckfuck.
Reminder that in a recent debate Bernie was asked if the Flint water crisis was evidence that the government was bad at running shit, and his response was to sneer and make a snide remark about how he was sure wall st could do better. The guy is literally just a crazy old man who's figured out he can get votes from young idiots by parroting "goverment good, business bad" over and over no matter what the issue.
>People don't pay workers minimum wage because they're incapable of paying them more, they're paying them less in order to get more money flowing to the top.
People are paid their wages based on a supply and demand of labor
thats why all the skill-less, effortless jobs are all minimum wage
anyone can do them, theres a huge labor supply of people who can do them and the demand for such labor isn't that high
Hospitals pay doctors so much money because they're in such high demand and the supply of doctors is low
you guys are fucking retards you blame all the big businesses ran by white people but when somebody mentions who takes even more by stealing actual tax payer money you just sit in the back and keep quite
just shows how much hypocritical your movement is
It will lead to 1 worker doing the job of 2, like in germany and sweden. Or big companies like mcdonalds and wallmart will start to buy machines to do the work, like self service cashiers and stuff, we see it all over EU.
And the lower wage makes it possible for companies to grow which lead to more jobs.
Its just stupid to force people to pay more than theyre willing to. Its theft, but low lives like bernie doesnt care ofc
yeah, but i rather give money to people who work than those who dont. So no1 should get welfare, lower the taxes so those who earn 7.25 can buy more instead of gov taking them.
Corprate welfare is same as higher wages, the gov gives money to corps so they dont die or go offshore.