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Here's a real answer for anyone who actually looks for science- Look up the "high bypass turbofan engine". It's what the modern jet engine is. As long as there's been jets, there's been those contrails. The byproduct of any combustion includes water. Hydrocarbons (unburned fuel) + oxygen + heat creates water in the exhaust. In the 1980s, they high bypass turbofan engine was developed. It drastically increased engine efficiency. It's why older passenger jets had 4 engines and most modern ones have only 2. Along with the increased efficiency must come more water vapor in the exhaust. And, when flown at high altitudes where it's colder- the vapor freezes and makes larger, longer lasting contrails.
But, conspiritards really want you to believe it's a dark secret operation to spray poison on everyone. You know, for reasons.
>>673371868 I'm sorry, I don't have the advantage of studying YouTube videos for an education. I had to get by with a college degree. But, like they say, if someone says it on an internet video, it MUST be true!
Contrary to popular disinformation Chemtrails Haarp weather modification however they are not for nefarious reasons they're actually to try to avoid the inevitable climate changes that are happening regardless of CO2 emissions.
>>673371651 That's always the funniest part to me about conspiracy people. There's never a solid reason behind why these conspiracies exist, it's always something really vague like the government is bad
>>673372014 Here's the problem with the entire "chemtrail" conspiracy theory- ANYONE can take air samples... at ground-level OR at higher altitudes. How can it possibly be that NO university research study or any independent scientific researcher has done a real, scientific, peer-reviewed paper that proves all this nonsense? SURELY, someone, somewhere would want to bring this forward. America has a lot of enemies, so certainly one of those nations would step forward with verifiable proof. yet, there's none. There's YouTube evidence, wacko websites that copy & paste other websites, and NO real research papers.
nb4 HURR DURR ITS ALL COVERED UP THEYRE ALL IN ON IT
>>673372736 >>673372804 I'm assuming this is the same poster as you're attacking me for the whole patent issue that you didn't show me a patent that has any secret information involved with the actual patented object or material you showed me an article with a picture from the supposed patent that doesn't give me any other information than a website about a phones specifications would.
Contrails have been around for as long as aircraft have reached high enough altitude for them to form. Just check out ww2 aerial footage and you see contrails from both bombers and fighters, all running on aviation gasoline.
>>673372466 The real issue isn't so much that some shadowy government agency is covering things up they don't have to its the system that we've allowed to occur that doesn't enable people at our level with our lack of funding to complete something like that in order to take a sample you would have to have a weather balloon travel up to an actual Trail at what 30000 feet collect samples and then return then have an independent lab to test those that's ridiculous so much money
>>673373373 I agree I've never worked in a patent office but I assume that the patent office themselves receive the full recipe however the full recipe isn't revealed to the public otherwise it wouldn't be secret recipe kind of like how restaurants patent their ingredients to their sauces and such it's pretty simple dude
>>673373180 I never argued that contrails and chemtrails do or don't exist the only thing that I argue is the manner in which they are introduced back when the British royal air force experimented with cloud seeding they used external sprayers since then with advances in jet propulsion and new altitude abilities we have reasons to inject certain types of metals through those systems for defrosting and Auntie blockage if you will that also allow stations like heart to transmit microwaves along with hundreds maybe thousands of other stations around the world which are public knowledge the locations and we can use that to do what we will with
>>673373382 But the fact is, there ARE people.. researchers at universities, our government, other governments, companies, and private groups that CAN and DO scientifically study these things. The ONLY possible excuse you could have would be for ALL of them to be "in on it".
>>673373180 Also, all the modern additives in jet fuel are mostly biocides to prevent growth of microorganisms in the fuel tanks, as well as additives for separating water from the fuel, which helps prevent corrosion and help fuel retain its energy density. Hydrocarbons + O2 = CO2 + H20 + Heat. Frankly, deicing agents worry me more.
Scientist 1: HEY! Let's spend $1 Million of our own money to send up a weather balloon to collect data to disprove chemtrails! Scientist 2: To disprove what? Scientist 1: Chemtrails. Scientist 2: What the fuck is a chem trail? Scientist 1: Conspiracy theorists on the internet say that the gubmint's poisoning us with gases from planes. Scientist 2: Gub-what? .... Is there any evidence to support this? Scientist 1: Well no, there's some websites with really bad fonts and supposedly some patent. Scientist 2: A patent? What does the patent say? Scientist 1: Um nobody really knows ... some guy mentioned it and he can't really explain it... Scientist 2: Yeah, no. Where did you say you got your degree from?
>>673374257 That's true I never wanted you to believe it I just wanted to tell you what I learned my supposed to fax over various sources and people that I've spoken to in person but that's me it's all on you to do what you will with it
true enough, if anything metal additives in the fuel should reflect certain wavelengs of the EM spectrum and could increase the range of radar and comms. Still, we get plenty of traces of worse things through out food. Fucking antibiotics through livestock, and traces of heavy metals through veggies.
>>673374396 I don't think I agree with you on the hold jet engines thing being so efficient that they leave nothing in their wake however the drinking water you don't need to add anything more than what they have in it fluoride industrial fluoride
>>673374499 If you can find it look at Tesla's weather modification research and you'll notice that some of the metals that he experimented with that work are some of the supposed ones that have come up in the supposed tests from the supposed crazies around the world
>>673373382 Putting a few sensors and sample collecters on a weather balloon isn't that hard or expensive. Students at my university did it quite often some even got to upper edge of atmosphere elevation...much higher than 30000 ft.
Its weather control. Global warming isnt a myth in reality, people know this, there are people that pay some airliners to spray chemicals that assist the ozone in cooling earth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_sulfate_aerosols_(geoengineering) You're guys' conspiracy or not a conspiracy bullshit is a distraction to lead away from actual causes of problems all over the world, ie climate denial.
>>673375164 "Airliners could use lower-quality sulfur-rich fuels on higher altitudes. That approach would utilize regular flights and enable airlines to use cheaper fuels on long-distance flights. It would require separate fuel tanks for takeoff and landing in populated areas, due to toxicity and olfactory sensations of sulfur oxides."
>>673375114 True, it's university funding but it's inexpensive enough that it's used for student projects. It's not a million dollar proposal (as suggested by anon) that goes through a vetting process that can take months to years to Actually get funded
What I'm saying is that it's well within reason for a wealthy person to undertake...or at least get funding from a wealthy person with a penchant for conspiracy theories
>>673374396 No, that's not really accurate. When an engine has combustion, that's the rapid combination of oxygen and fuel, there's always exhaust chemicals. Those chemicals vary along with the efficiency of the combustion. every combustion has unburned fuel (hydrocarbons or HC), carbon monoxide (CO), carbon dioxide (CO2) and oxygen (O2). In low efficiency, you have an excess of HC, CO, and O2. This is because a lot of those components simply did not burn. In a high efficiency combustion, there's mostly CO2 and water.
During efficient combustion, the hydrogen splits from the carbon and combines with oxygen. This is what burning is. It's what rusting is. Combination of fuel and oxygen. The carbon molecules join with oxygen and make carbon dioxide. The hydrogen combines with oxygen and creates water.
Atoms are not created or destroyed in combustion, they're just recombined into something else.
So... high bypass turbofan jet engine creates a shit-ton of water because it's so efficient. Combine high altitude (low air pressure, low temperature) and the large, long-lasting contrails are created.
>BUT HUURRRRRR DURRRR YOU TUBE SAID ITS METAL TO POISON ME!!!!!
>>673375450 It's "scientists" investing in what they feel is a fix to our climate issues. But in reality, will end up like most things we think are great, like coke products, tv show fandoms, and down the line we'll see this too was detrimental and should have been tabled in lieu of other options, but they don't communicate with anyone outside their profession. Its not a conspiracy, its human nature.
>be me >be pilot for U.S. Airways >install new equipment in all planes >close off space in cargo holds >tell me to press it mid flight every time >No pilots have said anything >we know whats going >but we get paid more not to talk >met the president the other day >told me I'm doings allahs work >people are catching on >seeing the "chem trails" >its okay a few more weeks and everyone will be under our control >except for those pesky divergents >allahu akbar
Or maybe its just clouds from the planes like there always fucking have been. If they were dumping shit from the sky, it would be stuff that didn't stay there for fucking hours for everyone to see.
The point of a patent is to secure the use of it and make as much profit off it as you can during the patent. The downside of a patent is that you MUST expose to the world what makes it work, that includes what would go into these "aerosols". Jesus christ you're an idiot.
>>673376439 For food recipes, sure. For industrial chemical compounds that are being patented, full disclosure of the chemical makeup is required. This is so no one else can snag a sample, analyze it, and sell their own. Otherwise, if it were "secret", they couldn't PROVE patent infringement.
In the 19th century, people claimed that rail travel would stop hens from laying, curdle milk, and make the travellers' face contort like someone on a roller-coaster. We are now in the 21st century and there are people who are reacting like these Victorian-era luddites and simpletons.
As for 'chemtrails' - as 'global warming' is now considered by some states and nations (such as the US) to be a greater threat than terrorism or atomic warfare, any attempt at geo-engineering would be lauded heroically, as was the efforts of the Strategic Air Command during the Cold War.
>>673375854 nice anon that's one of the things that makes this shit so retarded. keeping something as big as conspiracy theorists claim under the lid would require a tremendous amount of people to shut up about it. lots of moving parts. the sole reason why past real conspiracies (e.g. watergate) were discovered was because someone couldnt shut up about it and blew the whole thing up
Conspiracy theories are a lot like a cult. There's often a charismatic leader or group of leaders, there's articles of faith... but, unlike religion, has faith in the absence of fact, conspiracy theories have faith despite fact.
>>673382953 Ahh, Nibiru... the sun or planet or brown dwarf or comet that you can only see when you're standing on 1 foot, at a certain time of the day, at a certain location, when thinking about magic unicorns. It could NEVER be a lens flare, or an internal reflection inside a lens system! And, magical Nibiru has no mass, so it never effects the orbits of the other planets! I WANT TO BELIEVE!
>>673383797 Let's look at your "article". The CLOSEST it could be is 50,000,000,000 miles away. So, for it to pass Earth by now, it would have had to be traveling at 173,000mph. Think about this... EVERY so-called picture of "Nibiru" is always close to the Sun. And we orbit the Sun. That means it would have had to travel even faster... then suddenly slow down and form a stable orbit around the Sun.
>>673384289 When air passes over an airfoil, or "wing", it creates a low-pressure zone on the bottom side. As any 8th grade Earth science student knows, when vapor drops in pressure, it freezes. So, this simpleton 8th grader knows that a jet at altitude creates freezing contrails as it passes through any area of moisture.
>>673384628 Well, THIS "article" says 80 trillion kilometers, which is about 50 trillion miles... that increases THIS: >>673384444 by a factor of 1,000. So, it would have had to travel greater than 173 MILLION miles per hour.
>>673385160 he is saying they are not chem trails or cloud seeding and are in fact exactly what anyone who didnt fail their high school science class would expect to happen when flying - keep up junior
>>673385657 OK, so this HUGE object that can only be seen at special, magical times, and ALWAYS right next to the Sun, and NEVER alone in the night sky... so HUGE that it's visible to the naked eye... we never saw it pass by? If it's even midway between Earth and the Sun, it would literally be thousands of times larger than Jupiter to be as big as these pictures and video claim to show. Again, HOW did this hyper-large, hyper-fast object suddenly slow down?
>>673387710 Jupiter, on a GOOD day is about the size of a star in the night sky. So, it would have to be thousands of times larger. And, THAT would literally wreck the orbits of all the inner planets. Earth included.
>>673373133 Look it like this. You saw iron man right? The second one. Notice jow he never filed for patent? How anyone in that movie that acquired a suit filed for patent? Thats becuase once patent expires it pretty much for use with anyone with means to produce.
>>673388931 That's a tangent discussion from my point. Religion...i.e faith in a divine being... comes along with the absence of fact.God cannot be proven not to exist. Conspiracy theories are faith despite facts. They choose to disregard facts and get slashed with a great big Occams Razor.
>>673390450 i'll give you one example. there's a docuemntary called "the grammar of happiness" where a guy travels to the depths of the amazon jungle and studies the language of an untouched native tribe. his discoveries about the nature of language completely uproot many "facts" about human linguistics established by the pseudo-deity noam chomsky. they totally blow his assertions out of the water. but yet, his word is still held as holy writ. even though he's proved wrong. the scientific establishment won't even hear anything that goes against their "established understanding" even though it's now proved to be incorrect. this is how science works now. if you discover something that goes against the establishment, you will be buried, even if you're correct.
>>673390564 people are to prone to taking drugs in america now they don't even need to be forced. it's truly what huxley predicted in brave new world. just tell the people that it's what they need and they will oppress themselves. just give them access to the technology that will enslave them and they'll do it themselves. there are prescription drug commercials on tv every 10 seconds. americans keep themselves drugged.
dumb fuck they don't spray it... they add the shit to the fuel... look of videos of people doing water tests after they spray they find a shit load of aluminum and bromide in their shit... fucking I hate people... WAKE UP
the problem with the planet as it is now, is that 9/10 of people are fucking imbeciles that couldn't figure out what was going on if it was presented to them in bullet form in no more than 4 words per item. they have retarded everyone.
>>673389480 there is also C02 and water coming out of jet turbines under a shit ton of heat and pressure into a very low pressure and cold environment. all that shit rapidly expands, cools and condenses or freezes.
>>673392033 yes, no one is disputing that there are contrails. but there are also aerosol trails that have totally different characteristics. not to mention that you can watch these craft begin and stop spraying in mid air without changing altitude. there is a good video with various photos of the spray nozzles and interior equipment setups of these craft. they are definitely not happening on civilian transport flights.
>>673392586 yeah, of course, because they probably haven't developed a more efficient way than the very first experimental method that they tried out ~65 years ago. keep forming your ideas about the world based on hollywood movies, fuckwit
Don't tell anyone else, but the air traffic controllers are satan-worshipping government puppets. They secretly schedule all flights to form pentagrams, inverted crosses, and other satanic symbolism to spread their wicked cause.
>>673375749 the fuck are you talking about? not a conspiracy? there's been a media black out on this shit FOREVER. they have never brought up these issues in the news, even once. if that doesn't tell you the nature of this shit, i don't know what will.
the end is truly upon us when people are stupid to a point that they vehemently deny what's going on before their very eyes. at this point, pretending that there isn't something being sprayed from aircraft is like arguing that it's not dark at night time
>>673394261 no, they don't actually. if "isis" was actually real and not created, funded, equipped, trained by western intelligence agencies. they probably would be attacking israel to reclaim their holy land, wouldn't you think? yet they don't, even though they saturate the country that borders israel. the islamic state is doing israel's bidding. that's all. their behaviors certainly don't benefit muslims. they benefit jews in a number of ways.
>>673368331 The climate of your city probably has low dew point in upper atmosphere.. either due to temperature or dryness. When planes fly through, the vapors from their engines condense into clouds. You will notice that they only occur for high flying jets and linger only on days where there is cirrus cloud cover.
>>673395004 so how do you explain an aircraft that aligns itself to the grid, turns on the spray as it makes a pass, then turns it off, realigns itself to the next grid line, turns the spray back on as it comes back over the grid area, and continues this until it depletes its tanks? how do you explain that? it's not normal flight plan. it's military style flight plan.
>>673395004 this is incorrect. you will often see lingering spray at a much lower altitude than the ceiling. the spray lingers and turns the light brown. the levels of haze are unprecedented. do you not remember years back when you could actually go outside and see a true blue sky?
>>673395608 No, because i lived in kansas and am not an old fart. If you are like, 80 it would make sense because you couldn't fly that high back then, but now planes fly at 40k feet.. however seeing as you are using a computer, it is more likely that you had moved or the climate had changed if you saw a difference. I grew up somewhere dry and saw vapor trails all the time.. now i live somewhere humid and they are pretty rare.
a) they don't turn brown.. they shouldn't at least unless the engine isn't burning all the fuel, that is likely caused by pollution in the atmosphere. I rarely see it. b) if it is 'spray' and deliberate, why is it lingering up so high? if it was made to disperse it wouldn't be a streak in the sky, it would actually disperse, that's how mists and gasses work. It is only a streak because of the temperature and humidity change.
>>673397026 it's not that high. i have often seen trails laid down by aircraft flying lower than other aircraft not leaving a trail in the same space of sky at the same time. trust me, i know the difference between vapor trails and aerosol trails.
>>673397717 i highly doubt that, but it's not impossible. Again it has to do with the humidity and temperature. Flying through a heated stream at a higher altitude. Where do you live? That might explain it, either that or it occurs during storms when there are layered pressure or temperature fronts.
You know how i know it CAN'T be aerosols? Because they linger! Aerosols that have to be sprayed have to FALL and DISPERSE. They wouldn't stay in a streak.
>>673398374 that's exactly what they do. they disperse over a period of a couple to a few hours. unlike contrails which don't disperse and just evaporate and disappear with no trace. the aerosols disperse and form a haze that reduces visibility
take a look outside dude, passenger aircraft don't fly in patterns like that, making grids all over the sky. they also generally don't pass over a city that they're not going to or coming from unless it's inevitable and would be too inconvenient to fly around.
>>673398705 If there is a haze then there you will see contrails.
Whether they linger or not has to do with the atmospheric conditions. Notice on some days you see a lot, and other days you don't. Most the days you see a lot that are in the summer there is also cirrus cover. If it's cold and there is no condensation, you will see them linger sometimes. Also notice how some days you see a lot.. some days you see none. I suggest you actually try to be scientific. Document them. Each day write down how many you see, and how long they linger. Catalog what the weather and season is along with the approximate weather at the time. I guarantee you will find a pattern.
>>673399592 the haze is created by the aerosol spray. the sky will be clear, then the spraying begins, then the haze develops from the dispersing trails. why are you even disputing this? you really think it's that farfetched that there is covert scientific operations going on? did you grow up in a gi joe show or something? the government would never lie to us, jimmy!
and no, whether they linger or not has to do with their chemical composition. when they're made of water, they disappear and leave no trace. regardless of temperature or altitude or humidity. when they're made of aerosol and particulate, they hang around, slowly spreading out but not reducing in intensity, unlike a water based contrail.
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