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>>668114026 polls measure whats popular not whats right. Electing a popular representative is a middle-ground between low information and high information voters - the most popular high information representative. See how the two are combined? Not perfectly, but a compromise that is favorable to either extreme.
>>668115738 I don't see what you mean actually. The vast majority of voters have numerous outlets to get informed on each candidate. You're comment made sense back in the times where people still received information via carrier pigeon.
>>668117199 Regardless I still feel like you didn't really answer my question. What does right and wrong have to do with anything? The fact is we should use a popular vote, then candidates might actually give a fuck about all the states rather than the 10 swing states.
>>668114026 >because without it how would the government rig elections
i think the electoral college should be done away with and they should have voting licenses that you have to test to obtain. A mix between knowing the political system common sense and ethics as well as a general eduacation test should be required every so often to obtain such a license
When a citizen votes for Obama. He is voting for the State delegate who will represent Obama at the Electoral College. The representative will elect Obama at the Electoral College. The popular vote for that state will also show Obama.
Literally every 1st world country has an Electoral College.
>>668118431 >Literally every 1st world country has an Electoral College. Unless you define “1st world country” as applying to the U.S. exclusively, you are completely, utterly, and, yes, literally incorrect.
>>668118451 Candidates wouldn't care about states regardless of size. It would be a popular vote. I'd expect candidates to go to places with large populations, not exclusively to swing states where they don't already know they will win.
>>668120030 Regardless of any hypothetical you can think of, how does the electoral college protect against electing the wrong guy? Cause each state has delegates that represent the larger mass of the populous? I don't get your thought process.
>>668114026 >>668114026 Because democracy is probably the worst possible form of government. Why on Earth would you let a collection of uneducated individuals select people they themselves can empathize with?
When you vote, you're basically voting for the individual that most aligns with your political thinking. So if you're an uneducated dumbshit, you're going to vote for an uneducated dumbshit or someone smart enough to get your dumbass to vote for them.
Would any of you in this thread trust the consensus of 100 random individuals of your city, on how to go about performing your brain-surgery? Didn't think so. So why would you trust that same 100 people to pick someone who can safely and effectively navigate international politics and dealings?
>>668120098 there have been 157 cases of faithless electors as of 2015 you must beyond fucking stupid arguing it's never happened and if it's happened and people know about then there is a very high chance that it has happened and been covered up or gone unnoticed
>>668114026 From what I remember in history class, it had to do with the Southern states. They could count their slaves as the populace, but obviously wouldn't allow them to vote. That way, they could get a lot of electors due to the high number of slaves. Yet another reason to hate the South.
>>668120823 The whole purpose of the electoral college at the time was to make a sound decision in case those that weren't of the 'upper class' made decisions contrary to what was deemed 'sensible' to the 'common good'.
Today it can still be used to vote contrary to electing someone completely unqualified. Which sadly in this election is all three leading candidates.
If I could pick my poison it would be Trump simply for the fact the journey down the toilet would at least be a 'quality' ride.
>The reason why other states have more power is because they have more senators and more congress 2 Senators per state. >= they have more power and contribute more to the US economy than other states. Wrong. The number of Congressional representatives are based on population of the state.
>>668114026 >Why is there an still an electoral college? It gives the little guy a shot. And by little guy I mean the republicans. If it goes kaput they'll have to literally reanimate Reagan's corpse to win another election.
>>668114026 I actually approve of the electoral college. Though not perfect, it's a system designed to prevent retards from entering the presidency. But again, you can't always tell who are the bad ones. We didn't know Nixon or Harding would do what they did, so...
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