I want to become reckless. My anxiety and fear of fuckin everything ruins my goddam life.
Any tips on how to achieve that, preferably with medication ? Btw i don't care about side effects or my health.
I'm unable to do what i want to do. For example i never defend myself for the fear of consequences. I'm also completly unable to approach woman, damn, im even unable to approach men to make friends.
It's not that easy man. The fear is literally paralysing me. Even if i'm okay with the consequences for a certain action im still unable to do it.
Doesn't help me at all. Seriously, even if im fuckin blackout drunk im unable to approach women or pick up a fight.
The mental aspect is acutally the only thing i care about and i heard that benzos loose their anxiety-relieving effect after some time.
Now this may sound a little farfetched
But if you go out into the world not giving a single fuck, it gets easier after the first time you do it. Go to a club, and pick a random girl. She is your goal. It's literally as easy as walking over and talking to them.
Tell your anxiety to go fuck itself, you're better than some fucking mental illness. You can't let some little voice in your head dictate how you live your life, this is about YOUR ability. You are more than capable. All it takes is your motivation and determination to do so. If you truly want to go out and experience the world, fucking do it, what stops you? A babyman's syndrome?
So long as you don't abuse them you shouldn't. I've been on them 2 years, sure the effect isn't as strong as when I started but its still enough to relive me of anxiety. As I said, just don't abuse them and only take them when you actually need them (i.e to go out).
>Any tips on how to achieve that, preferably with medication ?
It's literally impossible, the fear of rejection by a woman and therefor the ultimate humiliation is just too strong.
Well i would have to take them at least 5 days a week since im still in school.
Tried it of course, didn't help that much. Was just horny as fuck.
If you want to become reckless take Effexor and after your on it for a month or two experiment with not taking your daily dose or taking a lower dose on somedays and you'll experience hypomania which literally feels like your high on life. Effexor also obliterates any type of filter you have. Don't take Effexor anymore but I can't say I really regretted taking it it help me overcome my anxiety in the long term
xanax to take the edge off, opiates to give you the edge you're after OP. Start with something light, like hydrocodone. Stop and roxicodone. Don't dip into the Heroin, all that will do is put you to sleep.
>It's literally impossible, the fear of rejection by a woman and therefor the ultimate humiliation is just too strong.
You have to remember every single guy that has ever lived has been rejected by a girl at some point. Rejection literally means nothing. I was in a similar boat to you, but once I realized rejection means nothing I started having success (also attribute it to benzos too haha) because I put myself out there. Getting girls is purely a numbers game. You'll get rejected more times than you'll have success, but you will have success.
>Well i would have to take them at least 5 days a week since im still in school.
You'll still be fine.
What did you tell your shrink to get the prescription ? In my country you don't get that shit as easy as in the U.S
smoke weed like every day and you'l grow some balls.
You don't understand, my main goal isn't getting girls. And furthermore i hate women, so rejection is a fuckin big thing for me. I never got rejected (since i never tried) but im pretty sure i'd get goddamn violent if it happened.
My goal is basically to become a psychopath, even though i know that i will never achieve that. I just want to get as close as somehow possible.
Tried MDMA (friends took the same pill, worked for them) and it only felt like stronger amphetamine.
I already do. Doesn't help at all.
I took it when my doc was willing to try anything for adhd meds but you won't get it this way my other friend in the other hand who suffered from anxiety asked for it by name after I recommended it to him and he was able to start it. You can say that you've taken ssris in the past but don't like them since they make you sleepy and a friend recommended Effexor it's an snri so it has less of a chance of making you drowsy on it and say it's either for anxiety or depression
what's up with the nudes man. stop collecting them like a freaking pervert. You're just creating a barrier between fantasy and reality
Act like nothing every happened in the past and start sucking it up and getting your shit together. Don't expect any changes from day 1, just take baby steps and focus and what to do today, rather then thinking how bleak and hopeless your future might be.
I know it's hard, if it wasn't, we'd all be perfect humans today.
Can somebody give me instructions on what to tell the psych to get something like Effexor ?
I can't tell him the truth since i'd definetly get another diagnosis too.
Start with a prostitute. You won't be rejected, and honestly, if you had any idea how many people talk to prostitutes like their therapists, it would blow your mind. Just find one you like.
To put it another way. You're paying them for a service. They want your money, and they're going to do (almost) whatever it takes to get that money. Talk to her. Fuck her. Let her teach you if that's what it takes. Will be a lot easier with someone holding your hand.
>Prostitutes are like training wheels.
Here's what you do:
Look up a hypnotherapist. Make an appointment. Go to them.
Shit did wonders for me and my anxiety. Also got me to quit smoking.
Whats better than having no fear (or extremly low fear) ? I'd rather be a psychopath than a millionaire.
I really don't get what you mean.
Become a psychopath.
>Go to seminary school.
>Take lessons for public speaking.
>Become Jim Jones.
I already got an appointment. But like i said, i absolutely despise women and can't (and also don't want to) talk to them at all.
How much did you pay for it ? Is the effect permanently ? I also heard hypnosis doesn't work with everyone.
Op, I mean stop hiding behind drugs. You do need drugs, but only in the beginning, only enough to get you back to normal, the rest pf the way, you gotta do Cognitive Behavioral Therapy or see a therapist who'll listen to your problems.
Basically, stop making it harder for yourself to reach the goal you want. Collecting nudes for fapping and posting on /b/ is just going to make you feel more depressed. Sorry if you don't understand me, I'm not really that great in putting my thoughts into words
change your mindset, just don't give a fuck
If you die, what does it matter anyway anymore?
if you don't die why the fuck should you care?
You only live once on this fucking island in the monkey paradise of the fucking middle of nowhere.
Everybody makes mistakes, just don't give a fuck, find something that you love or like, boxing, writing, stocks, whatever.
If you have a path or a wish, this is what your life will consist of and everything else is bullshit, you wouldn't care about those things, don't just overthink, you won't remember that embarrassing situation in 5 years.
Hypnotherapy only works when you subconsciously want it. Not enough to want it consciously.
Also, getting trained and licenced to practice hypnotherapy is easy as shit. Easier still, just to do erotic hypnosis, and charge people for your recordings.
Funnily enough i already tried to buy a cat to kill it, but they didn't want to sell it to me. I don't look very trustworthy.
ayahuasca can reset your mind and worldview drastically but you´ll trip for a week at least
This is probably the best advice you're gonna get so listen up. Wake up every day with the state of mind that you're the shit. Tell yourself that you're the shit. Dress well and take care of yourself, go to the gym, buy materialistic things (not too much), eventually, you'll start feeling that way. If you think you look good, you'll feel good about yourself and no one elses opinions will matter. Long process, probably about a month or two but you'll get there. Jump into everything head first and dont think twice and have no regrets. Be proud of your mistakes and dont be afraid to make more. Go out, talk to people, and dont care about what they think or how the react, because at the end of the day who's missing out? Them. Its a mental thing bro. Just gotta adapt what I've suggested, and trust me, live will get so much easier, and so much better.
Dont become an alcoholic or drug fucked unit, thats just being a fucking retard. If you're gonna resort to "uppers" or substances that give you "false confidence", I recommend prozac. Take those for a while in moderation, and eventually your "upped" personality will become the norm, you'll feel dependent when you cut if off obviously, but again, its a mental thing, Tell yourself you dont need it and re-enforce it. I used MDMA and Ecstasy to "up" myself, had more of a negative effect due to the amount of brain cells I was losing and the extremely bad side effects of those two. Ritalin and Prozac however, great success.
You can't tell an unconfident person to become confident. It's no that easy.
Like i said earlier, i can't tell the therapist/psych the truth, since i'd definetly get another diagnosis which could cause problems later in life.
alright edgelord calm the fuck down. you don't really want to be a psychopath, stop trying to act brutal on 4chan to get anons' praise. if you hate women, start sucking dick. you don't need to be a psychopath to do that.
that's true, I was on this med a couple of years ago and I had this random urge to go climb this tower crane at night near my home. Once I was reaching for the tip the horizontal arm I realized my life was hanging by a thread and It was a great feeling.
Used to be just like you. Scared of everyone and everything. Couldnt make any new friends, couldnt talk to anyone. Couldnt even go out to parties, clubs, raves etc. Couldnt even pull myself together to get a fucking job lmao. I gave 0 shits about my appearance, had absolutely no social skills, no confidence, no self esteem. I was a fucking loser. Tried googling it and all that shit, even posted a few threads here. Knew I needed to make a change, so I started changing a few things. Changed the way I dress. Started to feel a little bit better. Was fat as fuck at the time, started hitting the gym, the progress I was making made me feel alot better. Ended up getting a job, but still lacked the social skills and confidence. Started resorting to taking Ex day in day out, and it worked. Was able to start talking to people, making friends, going out etc. A huge change from the person I was 4 months prior. Eventually ran out of money, couldnt afford taking $100 worth of Ex every single day, then the side effects hit. Realised I was nothing without Ex, couldnt even hold a conversation with friends. Resorted to Prozac and Ritalin
it's all about a mindset, I cured a friend of mine from depression, just while walking with him and just talking all night long through a city.
>implying he was depressed and just wasn't a self diagnosed pussy
He got prescribed zoloft and sleeping pills, didn't help him, he couldn't even get his dick up and started seeing shadowmen in the corner of his room, we talked while skyping, my sides were almost lost, when I told him to imagine a dildo in his hand, he instead imagined claws.
Lol dude you're an actual lost cause. Was mid response then I saw that and said fuck it and fuck you lmfao. I already feel good and couldnt give two fucks about how you could feel. Have fun being a cowardly wanker for the rest of your life.
Also, does the psych have some kind of medical record of me (live in germany, btw)? Or can i just tell him that i already was on SSRI's ?
i wish i could feel like that again anon. I just wish I could feel.
Man, even dreams of falling don't get me excited anymore. My mind is bored with existence itself. I'm so numb that even suicide is just another generic feeling, it's like I'm ...
At this point, I can't..
Sorry, I don't what's happening
No seriously dude, dont you have family/friends you can talk to and do shit with? Isnt there some sort of event going on where you're from? Dont you have any dreams, goals, and aspirations? Seriously man.
Yeah i am a lost cause, since im unable to change my mindset. Thats why i asked specifically for tips on medication.
To repeat myself, do psychs have your medical history ? Or can i just tell them whatever i want ?
I'm 18, I have my whole life ahead of me. I need constant reminders from people like you to keep pushing forward. I know you're gonna be pretty angry for finding out I'm still young, but I'm just a sorry excuse for a teenager
I dunno how much of a troll this is. But if you are honestly just a teen, you have a LONG way to go and shit is gonna change, usually for the better, even if you only do the things in life to get by.
You wont become a psychopath by following any of these directions in this thread, for starters, youare asking a group of people instead of just doing things without compassion. Secondly, you clearly have empathy. Being reckless doesnt solve shit, its just a diffferent kind of security blanket, as soon as you calm down it'll all come back at you.
Go make money, take a trip across some other country, see some shit, see some people who still have to work for food all day, realise how good you honestly have it and you can only ever be happy.
In order to be happy. You don't know how it feels to be unable to do what you want because of paralyzing fear.
Taking trips and making money won't solve my problem. My problem is that im just not free. Im not free to follow my urges and impulses, like for example a psychopath is. I don't even care that much about jail, i just want to get my fuckin mental freedom.
sounds like you need to face your fears. if you're scared of women, go to the most attractive girl you know/seen and compliment her. ask her out. if things don't work out and you get rejected, good.
are you scared of standing up to people, good, go face your bully and provoke a fight, get beaten up, etc
Point is, you want to break loose and find yourself again, the consequences don't matter as much as going forward with it. stop thinking what could've been and release yourself
also you have to be sober throughout all of this if you want it to be effective.
Hang in there anon,
learn to take control of your thoughts first. You are stuck in a loop of mental rumination and it's unproductive. I'm struggling with this also. It's good to take care of your body (stop eating shit, exercice) as well as taking care of your mind (be aware of your thoughts. you can choose what is the content of your inner life. )
I'm not saying it's easy, you can't decide to be happy, confident, etc. in one week, but it's relatively easy to interrupt a negative stream of consciousness.
Both you, really.
No such thing as a sorry excuse for a person, just people who find excuses for themselves. Everyone has their demons, some manifest physically, yet you find people in that category that can still achieve amazing shit. Some manifest psychologically, those are harder to grasp, but when you have moments of clarity you need to take the plunge and go be yourself, sometimes your depression or whatever will cloud back over, but who cares, for a while you were yourself and did great things.
Come back and see if you are a sorry excuse in another 10 years, I bet the answer is no. Take it from an alcoholic that wasted 10 years, then found the courage inside to turn his life around. Am I some millionaire? Fuck no, but I am more than comfortable, have some better friends that dont enable my drinking, have money to travel and see the world and I stand up for what I believe in now.
Go be yourself, you're not a sorry excuse for anything, you're just ignorant of the world, it'll come to you.
I only know that i can't continue life like that forever. Im gonna risk it.
Doing what you want in order to become happier doesn't have anything to do with being reckless. You shouldn't care less, you should only care less about what other people are thinking. Be honest with yourself. If you're worried you might look funny doing something is only because you know you might actually look funny and that probably doesn't fit in with your awesome ego. Let go of who you think you are and find out who you are later on.
I can't just do this like any other person since theres nothing worse than humiliation for me. Thats why i know i will never be able to just face my fears, i need something to get it started.
well sitting around waiting for something magical to happen is not an option. maybe you don't have to do it directly, you can eventually experience something like by accident if you keep trying to do different things in your life
tl;dr try setting about a chain of events instead of waiting for something to happen
Dude, You're swallowing society's pills. Are you sure you want to be some socialite type? Maybe you just genuinely don't but our media and culture have built and reinforced this idea in your head that it's wrong and you're broken.
But if you're looking for something to help you with socializing a drug's a shitty idea. Friends you make on drugs usually aren't interested in much else but drugs. Find a group based on an interest to be a part of. Go out and do something you're interested in, A woodworking or painting class, A book club, A bunch of faggots who watch shitty B movies at a library, something like that. I met my current SO at a creative writing class, we bonded over Lovecraft and shitty fanfiction based on Lovecraft. Not just to get together, though. We both actually like horror stories. That had to come first.
I can't let go of my self-image or desired self-image. Im a narcissist. Thats why i can't just face my fear of humulitaion. Im absolutely sure this fear will never fade. So i want medication to biologically decrease my fear and anxiety. But anyways, i appreciate your input.
definetly not. but i can tell you that im around 7/10, if thats what you wanted to know.
That's not a rare anxiety or anything. The key is to just keep in mind that nobody is paying as much attention to you as you are. Every little thing that you think people hold against you they probably wouldn't even remember if you asked them about it the next day. Keep that in mind for a while and you'll loosen up a bit. Not all at once, mind. But the right attitude carried zero of the side effects of psychoactive medication.
go see a shrink
or simply realise that your fear is fucking stupid and you won't get killed if you say some weird shit to someone because you aren't that important to strangers and they forget about the stupid shit you say in 5 minutes.You are not the center of the fucking world,people don't really give a shit
I know that most people don't care that much. But if i behaved awkward or got humiliated, i start to hate myself. Especially the fact that im too afraid to erase that humiliation from my bio. The next thing that happens is projection, i hate the person responsible for the humiliation more than anything (untill i forget about it, luckily i have a very bad emotional memory). I seriously think if a girl ever humiliated me in front of other people i'd have to kill her.
Yeah i already have an appointment. But what should i tell him to get what i want ?
The problem is that if answer the questions honestly, he'll also diagnose me as a narcissist, which could cause me problems later.
I'd like to know the thoughts of a person who just lives with anxiety and isn't also a narcissist so i can get diagnosed with a generalised anxiety disorder, without also getting diagnosed with NPD.
i guess you're joking, since how the fuck should i show him the pictures i posted ?
That's just it, though. You think you need to erase it to go on. You're never going to, It's going to stay inside of you. It's a part of your history just like everything else that's ever happened to you. Moving on does not mean letting go, Only forgiving. You've just got to forgive yourself for it.
Know what I did once? In middle school I had temper problems and was in special ed for the social problems they brought about. One day the jocks were picking at me and I charged after one of them. He ran into a classroom, I followed, and I kicked someone in the knee so hard they fell over. It's wasn't the kid who was teasing me, Just some person I didn't personally know. And that person forever knows me as that retard that fucked their leg for no goddamned reason. Thinking about makes me wish either they or me are dead. But I forgive myself. I was a retard. I'm not now.
Hey man you need assurance from anyone. You just need to believe in yourself and adapt the mindset mentioned earlier bro. 18 man, you're at the best years of your life. Dont hold yourself back man. Just fucking live bro
I was actually a real piece of shit in Middle school, too. Once I tried to attack a kid who was picking on me with one of those big, wooden hall passes before his jock friend came up and knocked the wind out of me. I was pissed at the time but he probably actually saved me from getting the police involved.
Oh, Jesus. And in highschool when I had a girlfriend I would sit at her lunch table with her friends who I didn't know or like, and I actually referred to my gf as "a lady" while calling them girls. I was such a fucking sperg lord and they all remember me as a mental deficient. That wasn't a relationship that was a couple months of intense pity. But it made me who I am so it can't have been all bad.
I genuinely think that i can erase it, since its basicially a power thing. If somebody had power over me (for example a woman i tried to approach) and i'd do something to put myself in power over her (violence for example) i'd feel fine again.
It's not about power, though. That mindset's just going to get you arrested. You sound like one of those tumblr people who think guys spreading their legs on a bus is them asserting their territory or some shit. Guys just have testicles that hurt when compressed. It's not about power. None of it's about power. You're attributing to malice what's simple over-site.
Of course its about power. If you approach a girl, you give her the power to decide wheter or not you are worthy of her. Its clear that you desire her, but its not clear that she desires you. So if she rejects you, she puts herself on top of you and therefore gains power.
Did you learn all you know about human interaction from the American Pie films? It's not about being worthy, It's just about making positive connections. You know, Friends. What you're misinterpreting is consent which shouldn't even be a factor until you're actually dating someone.
It's the same thing. It doesn't matter if im not worthy of sex or not worthy of being liked/beign a friend. The point is that if you approach somebody they always have the chance to put themselves on top of you. And thats exactly my fear which results in my current behaviour
Like i said earlier, it doesn't work.
You're afraid of a non-existant boogeyman. Nobody's putting some huge emphasis on gauging your worth to them like that. You just leave an impression and they judge that impression. You're in "power" by creating the impression. The power's in their head but who do you think puts the picture in their head? You do.
Could you share your thoughts on your anxiety, social situations and all of that ? I'd really appreciate your effort, since it could really help my cause.
You can't just create any image of yourself, for example an ugly person can't just create the image of an attractive person. If you approach a person you'll always try to create the best image of yourself and so give that person the chance to determine that the best image you can create isn't good enough for them. It is always about power.
Sure anon. I've always been a nervous reck. When I was a kid I had no friends, none ever came to my birthday parties etc. I got a job when I was 16 and it opened me up a bit. I met someone from said job and we would end up being friends. It's kinda funny too, he isn't much like me. He's a partier, great with girls etc. He introduced me to his friends and now a few of them ice considered my own. These are the first friends IRL I've ever had. It helps a lot dude, I've gotten into social situation I've never thought I could handle. I kissed a girl, got into a fight, went to bars and clubs. Despite all this I still have anxiety I just push it down... mostly with alcholol. And I'm still too anxious to ask a girl out or fuck. My friend has set me up to get laid at least three times.. but I just suck at convincing myself it Wil be fine. >>668039246
Could you go into detail on your thoughts ? Especially in situations like the time your friend set you up to get laid. I'd also like to know about your upbringing.
You sound like a person that is gonna get cucked
Yeah, You should like a weed man. High strung. That shit don't matter. Need something to make that little voice in your head stop crying. Something strong. Willow's a good one for a drowse high. Puts things in perspective. Or maybe some molly, But get a babysitter, That crying voice will come out to meet somebody.
me and my friends call it boolin. Just get a group of friends and wild out and dont give a fuck about what people think. have moments with people. yesterday in new orleans i walked past these two 40 year old guy laughing bc their wives were making out im like 18 kinda baby faced and i looked at them and winked they started laughing and it was fun. just stupid shit like yelling at some random black girl "shorty wassup" at a concert and shit like that man.
I don't get why anti-depressants should make you feel worse. I know that they have side effects but i don't think depressive people would get them prescribed if they made it worse.
hey OP stop asking for help and then acting like its shit advice.. most of the guys here have went through the same shit as you and have overcome it.. you cant expect change if you DONT WANT TO FUCKING CHANGE...sorry that im being "mean" but you are just being stupid man... and tell your doctor or therapist the truth because otherwise he doesnt really know what he should do to help you...
and stop acting like you despise wwomen you pussy... that is just something that you have taught yourself so you feel like its okay that you dont even try to talk to girls or try to change anything about your life... what i am saying is the key is right there in your head. we can guide you to the key but it wont matter until you decide to fucking take it! only you can break free ftrom this mental cage... and dont say "its not that easy" fuck off pussy you are not the only one who has experienced this stop letting fear paralyze you
>> I highly recommend
that you remain cautious rather than adopt a reckless attitude.
>> be me walking home from a friend's birthday party.
>> I live no more than 15 minutes from the place I went drinking at.
Get assaulted within a block of the bar and lose consciousness. Come to in time luckily within a car being driven somewhere I had no idea where, started screaming where was I and asking where the fuck I was.
>> Instincts of being in mortal fear and danger demanding I get out of that car and run away now.
Somehow force the door open and jump out of the car scarring my hands in the process which show the car must still been in motion when I did. fall onto my face suggesting I was probably laying over in an odd position rather than having sat into a car of my own will.
>> run for a block desperate confused and with the inkling that I needed to get away from whoever I was and fast.
>>drop my phone after hitting the floor which must have been in my hand attempting to call for help.
>> evade my assailant by hiding under a car for an hour.
This is what happened to me this past Saturday night for being reckless after a night of drinking to the point that wasnt even total inebriation
you probably know this, but what you are afraid of is the felings the situation may arise, not the situation itself, it is a subtle change in perspective that helps a lot. so, to stop being afraid of your feelings you have to go for situations that cause discomfort, see it through and experience the sense of acomplishment after it. you can begin with simple things like diet, exercise, cold showers, do stuff that you are afraid of, even if it is something small, until you start craving the exitement of courage.
get angry at the fear, how it controls your life, but be kind to yourself, you are not your anxiety and training your brain act despite fear is dificult in the begining. eventually the fear will almost dissapear completly.
I mainly asked for advice on medication, not advice on changing my mindset. Also approaching women, which i despise (mainly because of my mother) absolutely isn't my main goal.
To become reckless. Could you please tell me what exactly you told your psych to get them ? The more detailed, the better.
Just kill yourself if you really feel the desire to be a psychopath, the world seriously does not need you and you dont even need you. If your too fucked up in the head to enjoy normal things then the joke of hanging out on /b/ and having lulz is over because you cant distinguish from reality anymore which means you are sick, REMEMBER you being sick is no one else's fault and how you deal with it shouldnt involve anyone else if you arent looking for help just fucking kill yourself. The world is already filled up with enough fucking retards who have petty issues theyve cultivated on their own accord into bigger ones.
your mindset is the cause of your anxiety, medication can help you a lot, but not forever. i advice that you use medication to help you face your problems, not as a permanent solution.
youre sick anon, get help now or help yourself off a building. The world does not need more animals like you who take pleasure in causing others pain just because they have an imbalance in their own mind. DO NOT TAKE OUT YOUR ANGST ON INNOCENT PEOPLE`
And why exactly should i do that ? I don't give the slightest fuck if i make your or anyones life worse. Hell, i actually enjoy it. And also everybody is a product of their enviroment and genetics, if you think otherwise you are probably religious or retarded, which is basically the same.
>not understanding how depression works
No matter how much family and friends you have, or how fucked up your life is, depression makes it goddamn near impossible to act in your own self-interest. Even hanging out with your closest friends or trying to find professional help can be an uphill climb.
And although it can be a matter of simply changing one's attitude, oftentimes it's a chemical imbalance that can't be changed by willpower alone.
Why do you want to psychopath? You just say dumb shit like that because you're angry over everything.
Here are some basic fucking tips to become normal
See psychiatist, maybe get meds. They ease the extreme emotions. If you're really fucked up you'll get the help you need.
Meditate. Seriously it works
Don't be a pussy and take baby steps for improvement. It will be a long road but you'll make it. There are lot's of programs for your kind of problems. Go ask psych.
misc: eat healthy and work out
These comments about 'yeah just fuck it all, start not giving a shit' are bullshit, they wont do any good on someone with actual anxiety issues. there is no fucking easy way out