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whats a good language to start at for coding. I want to get in to software development or videogames. I know ill have to use all languages later on but wheres a good staring point and where?
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>>598354422
by where I mean sauce
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start with C with SDL library

you can create software and small arcades games easily
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>Assembly
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>>598354422
start with C to understand the logic
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Machine code.
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Well Java obviously. C++, C#, and C are your best bets as they're used heavily.

Lua and Python are good starting points, however as they're easiest.
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Start with python or C. Those are the two best. Python is easier for most people.
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>>598354422
This would also be a good thread to post on /g/. My suggestion is Python.
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>>598354422
javascript/html5... everyone will say lua, python, c, etc... fuck them all. focus on javascript and html5. plenty of resources. or fuck all that shit and use a game maker like unity or construct 2
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I like to code my games in HTML
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>>598355350
its a random question
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>>598355363
seconds before i reply and these faggots already start spouting python... don't trust them. they are morons. python is mega shit for games, it's boring as fuck, it will make you hate coding.
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learn ruby. you do nothing wrong with it.
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Java
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VB6
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Fortran
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Brainfuck is one of the most elegant and simple languages. Perfect for a beginner.
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Cobol
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>OP
I need a place to start. i have done a few thing on code academy but i really want to get in to it. i want an ez start so i wont hate it and will continue.
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the one that anomylous uses to hack
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>>598356165
code academy is boring as fuck and will only be completed by willpower... just fucking learn javascript like i said and fuck around with a game maker like unity or construct 2 where you can later extend your game through javascript
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Java would be good to learn Android Development.. for games. I work as a network engineer and I automate a ton of shit now using Perl running on Linux.
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Not OP here, but I'm also interested in starting coding. A lot of you suggest C, but how do I get started in C?
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>>598356165
If you don't know the basics I suggest you to literally start with C and buy the K&R book since it's probably what any newbie would do. C is a popular language and it is "close" to the machine code but it's not the machine code, after you learn C, almost any language will be recognizable but with different syntax.
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>>598356165
Try java w/ jmonkey engine, should get you rolling making shitty games relatively quickly
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>>598356408
>Install Gentoo
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fuck all this shit. javascript if you want a future nigga
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Maybe you should have started at the age of 5 like the rest of us.
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> learing instantly c

mfw pointers and badass syntax is killing you
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>>598356604
linux fags are wannabe coders who will never get anywhere in life but will feel good about themselves because sudo apt-basic terminal commands
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>>598356408
use the K&R book, you can buy it or look for it at a torrent site and you may find it
also i recommend you to use the IDE Code::Blocks, look for it
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>>598356730
pretty much this. if your upbringing was shit or your parents were just dumb (so again... probably shit upbringing) you don't stand a chance of becoming a decent coder and earning 130k+ like the best of us
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I prefer to start with Python... C is kindly difficult because it is too stict, but I started with C lol... anyway, Python is better to start in my opinion, easy to understand, and you don't need to end with ";"
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>>598356818
>OP
haha my friend thinks he is the shit cause he uses linux
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>>598356165
If you like codeacademy, khanacademy.org is good too
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Best places to learn C?
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>>598357556
K&R book for basics
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>>598357556
Up your ass
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C is low level, old and fiddly, seems like a bad place to start for a beginner. You should start with something higher level

easy mode: javascript (html5 canvas)
fun mode: actionscript (flash)
god tier language mode: c# (unity)
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When you learn to use C every other lenguaje will be easy
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>>598358032
yes... but start with C it's a bad idea in my opinion, if he rlly wanna be a programmer, the most important think is to learn the about algoritm that code, so... python or any other Hight level is better to start to know how to do algoritm
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>>598357797
> retard mode
> you
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>>598354422
>software development or videogames
Start with C on your target OS and continue with C++. C is simple and can lead you to even more komplex systems than newer, API capped enviornments.
Dont listen to all those hipster technology users.
Except of Java & C#.
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>>598358342
>no
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>>598354422
>wants to start programming
>posts html
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>>598358508
I assume that you are the retard unless you explain yourself
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>>598354422
Lisp

http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/
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javascript you motherfucker for fucks sake. i'm trying to help you and give you a shot at your waste of life. javascript/html5 is making flash/actionscript into worthless retard knowledge... c will make you hate life and you'll never learn it. learn fucking javascript. look at the book foundation game design with javascript or some shit... i forget the name... then fucking learn it. make a shitty game, profit on android app store, repeat. you should listen to me you slimy fucking retard
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>>598358755
why not?, well probably not python, but I'm for sure C it isnt a good way to start, OP might scare if he start using C
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>>598358756
Also what the fuck is up with those ids and class names? This can't be hand written markup
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>>598358967
is this actually going to be usefull?
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>>598358840
i fucked your mom you fucking faggot, you are my offspring. hence retarded and why your shitty tier system has javascript and actionscript separated into easy and fun mode when they should both be the same mode. fucking idiot retard maggot slut faggot
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>>598359290

Lisp itself is not as widely used as other languages, but the main dialects have functionality above and beyond mainstream languages. At the very least, even if you don't ever use Lisp again, the act of learning it will make you a better programmer, and a member of lisper master race.
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>>598359607

Drive a motorcycle naked
Now drive the same motorcycle pulling a wagon and wearing a helmet
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>>598356818
Please Master enlighten me with your wisdom.
Should we use OS/2 ?
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>>598359942
kill yourself
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>>598360576
Do you happen to own an Android device?
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>>598359190
C can be the hardeast and easiest language...
The useage gives you a bunch of oppertunities.
You are relating to almost scripting like languages
>Python
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>>598360714
oh my god you're one of those... just fucking kill yourself holy fuck i can't believe linux youth are still alive to reproduce
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>>598360576
kek
u got *le tricked
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>>598354422
>I know ill have to use all languages
Gl using over 7000 languages

Start with C#, Java or something easy, avoid C++ until you can make a decent 2D game in C# or Java.

Avoid Visual Basics, that is pussy shit.
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>>598361066
I'm not >>598359942. I'm just wondering whether you use the fruit of "linux fags".
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thread is full of reddit linux faggots
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>>598354422
pirate yourself a copy of K&R and also "hacking: the art of exploitation"; it has a good .. 'c section' .. with live cd, compiler and all that good stuff.
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>>598361381
you are such a fucking faggot god damn, fucking shut up already and tell your mum she can use ubuntu touch to rub shuttleworths face on her worthless vagina for not aborting you
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>>598354422
Ruby is simple and a great intro language.

codecademy dot com is a good place to start on most languages.
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>>598356030
/thread
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>>598361381
i want to rape you and stick pins in your body
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>>598354422
C++ for da cout console.
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>>598361675
Blegh, Ubuntu sucks even more dick than you, and that's difficult to beat

>>598361959
That commie ain't my god, and I'm not into that kinky shit
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>>598361675
your're not even trying to argue a bit
>about algoritm that code
>know how to do algoritm
fucking scum
please get the fuck out of this thread
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>>598356756
I can handle pointers just fine if I think of them as undefined arrays or to make the program more efficient.
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>>598362223
you are such a fucking faggot just stop giving a fuck already and go tell people about how cool and custom your desktop is and how your too leet for ubuntu and something something stop spreading FUD like oh my god my kernel can't take this... stick a toothbrush up your linux cock and think about whether the next kernel should be called 3.20 and 4.0
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>>598362106
>cout console
>console-out console
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>OP
It looks like most of you are saying C
How many of you actually code? and not making your shit jrpg. high level code, as a job or some shit?
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>>598361291
If he starts Java, he'll get the wrong feeling of coding.
Let him do a BuubleSort Example in C, then start Java.
Never start Java without knowing any native language, please people.
This will give people the wrong perception of coding.
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>>598362733
>implying I care about your autism
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>>598356756
pointers was a kick in the ass when I started learned them... it was sooo complex at the beging... then I learned data structure and I beging to understand and love pointers lol
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>>598362947
none of them. that's why you should listen to me and learn javascript and actually get somewhere in life.
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>>598363193
>javascript and actually get somewhere in life.
evil scum of mankind you are
go and get a high degree in C/C++
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>>598355964

The only language you will ever need. The true king.
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>>598362971
C is also a good language to start with, but C++ is certainly the worst language to start with. He will most certainly be deterred by how cumbersome it is.

After he finishes a book on C programming, he should be able to branch out into other languages.
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>>598363193
Or c#, c# is pretty cool and easy to do games~
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>>598362724
>you are such a fucking faggot
My grillfriend begs do differ
inb4 pics
>just stop giving a fuck already
Please do vacate the premises
>go tell people about how cool and custom your desktop
It's pretty boring and functional. I don't use much flashy shit.
>and how your too leet for ubuntu
It's not about being leet, Ubuntu just sucks more cock than you
>something something stop spreading FUD like oh my god my kernel can't take this... stick a toothbrush up your linux cock
dafuq
>think about whether the next kernel should be called 3.20 and 4.0
That's up to Torvalds to decide, I couldn't give less fucks
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>>598363132
>implying you're a psychfag and can diagnose me out of one post
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>>598355593
This is the most useful advice in this thread right now, I too thought people would start spouting Python. Listen to this guy because he's right, it is stupid for games and WILL make you hate coding.
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If you learn C it will be easier to learn any lenguage... but only go into C if you reaaally want to program, 'cuz if you don't, C would make you scare and hate programation for life
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>>598354729
>SDL library
What is this?
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implying coder wont be used in 10 years anymore because they got replaced by automatical coding programs
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>>598363529
>mfw

typical linux fag getting his panties up in a bunch that he actually feels the need to individually quote reply to a bunch of fucking shit. you are so fucking worthless just fucking kill yourself. you're a stain on the planet and the best you can hope for is to become a linux sys admin who makes bad hackles jokes while crying alone in bed after wondering why your mummy touched you down there
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>>598362947
last time i coded in C was in 1990
wtf C is nigger tier today
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>>598364264
>Simple DirectMedia Layer is a cross-platform development library designed to provide low level access to audio, keyboard, mouse, joystick, and graphics hardware via OpenGL and Direct3D

https://www.libsdl.org/

You're welcome
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>>598364308
We will still need actual coders to write, maintain and update those automatic coding programs
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>>598364337
1/8 m8 me reply
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>>598364572
which will be less that 0,1% of all current coders
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>>598364395

you're a faggot m8, obviously you're not a real C programmer

enjoy your bloated java
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>>598364465
This looks interesting, cheers. I've looked at wxWidgets and that's a bit confusing. I haven't coded C properly since the DOS days and I'd like to get back into it.

I'm also playing around with an Arduino but my electronics skill is woeful.
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>>598354422
I love programming especially in web design
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>>598355465
Skeleton pls.
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>OP
K&R was published in 1978
should i really start there thats a few fucking years behind
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>>598355593
>>598363930

What's with the python hate? Hell, there is even pyGame to provide tools for making games. I haven't used it because I don't make games but it looks pretty good for someone wanting to make some simple games with no prior experience.

Don't listen OP. They probably approached python as a programming language when it is a scripting language. It is definitely not what the industry uses, but if you want to start making games fast I see nothing better. Also, you can do all sorts of other shit with it, scripting I think is a very underrated skill. Don't start writing in compiled languages if you can't even bash correctly...
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>>598364308
Just like most jobs will disappear in 10-30 years and Freedomland will have even more freedumbitizens.
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>>598354422
HTML 4 programmer reporting in
i am learning HTML 5 right now pretty awesome and amazing stuff

<HTML>
<BODY>
<P>Hello There, whats your name?</P>
<INPUT TYPE="text">
</BODY>
<HTML>

The above code will prompt a screen asking for your name and then a box to put your name in!! is just 6 lines of code!! Neat don't you think?

To do that in other languages you need an over complicated script of hundred of lines, fuck that HTML FTW
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>>598354422
are we dramatizing coding with this image. THE ADRENALINE RUSH!!!
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Start Programming in C--
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>>598364929
SDL is targeted towards games and such, providing plenty of functionality for graphics and such
wxWidgets is targeted towards applications
They don't serve the same purposes nor fill the same niches; depends on what you want to program
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>>598364909
i fucking hate java tho...
still C was great 20 years ago nothing you stupid fucks say changes that

saying C is best... it's kinda like saying fucking grandmas is best
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>>598365718
I see.
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>>598354422
Depends...
Heres what I did:
HTML
CSS
Ruby
Javascript
then a shitton of other stuff like jquery and rails
Honestly you don't really need to know JS that well cause you can just copy and paste everything you need if you use bootstrap
If you want to make games then C# cause Unity is fucking awesome
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>>598365718
yeah but i want to start to get to know the language, i can just go in to and code games, etc.
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>2015
>people still using Javaxploit
>people actually think Python is a real programming language
TOP MEME
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>>598354422
videogames, C++ for sure.
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oh look its this thread again
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>>598355598
ruby? The guy wants to code games
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>>598365633
(format t "What is your name?~&")
(defparameter *name* (read-line))
(format t "Hello ~a!~&" *name*)

The above code will do exactly the same and actually use it in half the lines!

Common Lisp FTW
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>>598365633
>HTML
>programmer
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>>598366159
said the random retard who has read a few arstechnica articles but will never amount to more than a game tester with a 2 digit iq
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>>598366384
i like lisp but i feel like its totally useless
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To be a decent programmer, it's much more important to learn about Data Structures / Algorithms rather than choice of language... that being said though, I would start with C#.
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>>598354422
ASM ( Assembly ) it's best ,u will pro
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>>598359290
no, lisp is just this: (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
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>>598366648
Not quite if you want to program satellites and such
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>>598366090

>Ruby

Sorry to be the one to tell you this, but python is killing ruby. It's going to die soon... There's little reason to use it. At least pearl can still boast some performance...
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>>598365633
#include <iostream>
void main() { std::string name; std::cout<<"Hello there, what's your name? "; std::getline(std::cin, name); }

Easy to do in C++.
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>>598366968
Quite impossible. I do encounter the ocassional )))))))) though, but it would equate, in C, to something like this:
]);
}
}
}
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learn chef

http://esolangs.org/wiki/Chef
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>>598367103
Why do satellites in particular warrant the use of Lisp?
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>>598367114
>>598365534
you again, fuck off. python is shit for learning to make games and even for learning programming in general. blablbla "learn python" fuck off faggot
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>>598354422
clojure
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>>598367425
Just an example of a use case.
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>>598367579
My Lisper brother! ONE OF US, ONE OF US
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>>598354422
French is pretty good for coding. Or german.
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>OP
so should i learn C then C++ then Java that a good order?
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>>598355176
>Well Java obviously.
Fuck Java. Learn C.
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C. It is still the most popular for serious work. I earn $175k plus 50,000 stock options.
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>>598367940
C, C++, C#. Fuck Java in the ass with a chainsaw.
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>>598367733
What on a satellite does it do?
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>>598367940
at least that's what I' am seeing most of you are saying
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>>598366614
>autistic faggot that doens't even have a degree
>probably newfag
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>>598368038
>>598368065
any good sauce to start C ?
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>>598354422
You doing ok bro? We are here for you. Want some hugs? Some cuddles? Maybe a big glomp? This thread is pretty triggering, but ill suffer to be here for you, even though its prolly harder on me than you.
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>>598354422
It doesnt matter what language you start with since you probably dont even have a good understanding of logic yet.
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Im self taught, from when I was 14½ years old, i started with AutoIT then later moved onto C++ and totally skipped C# which i really regret, cause a lot of understanding about classes and objects got thrown away, so my answer would be to start with something that has same syntax as C# or C++ then when you understand the syntax move to C# and C++
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>>598356730
>Maybe you should have started at the age of 5 like the rest of us.
I never saw a computer until I was 7 (which is when I started). Most people didn't have them back then.
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>>598368384

I'm not sure what's worse - that you considered the half significant, or that you know the keyboard shortcut for that character.
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>>598368384
forgot to add that if you choose java then for the love of god do not stick with it, you will hate yourself the rest of your life.
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>>598367940
C# is Java's sexy younger sister, you want C# not Java.

Personally I'd skip straight to C#
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>>598366729

>To be a decent programmer, it's much more important to learn about Data Structures / Algorithms rather than choice of language

I agree. This is why python is best at the start. You really learn types and the difference between an interpreted language and compiled, and even get some object orientation. You learn how a computer works, but you still have plenty of high level tools to do useful shit.

If you want to be a good programmer, build on what's out there already. Don't reinvent the wheel. All you have to do is learn to use other people's code efficiently and that is what python makes easy.

> C#

lol
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>>598354422
we have 8 of these threads a day

fuck off
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>>598368578
i have the ½ besides my 1 ½½½½½½½½½½½½½½ uwot
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>>598368077
It could do anything from stationkeeping to telemetry to data analysis. There's no one standard toolbag for that.
Having a REPL to diagnose and alter the image while it's running even in production is sweet.

>>598368337
http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/
C++ (what it says in the tin), but it'll work
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OP, you should install Ubuntu. It's really neat anf fun, wow! It will make you feel like a super hacker! Then you can move on to other distros (those in the know with experience call it "distro hopping"). Distro hopping will make you sound important on forums and give you more Linux experience than most people. You should hop fro Ubuntu, to Kubuntu>Xubuntu>Debian>Fedora<openSUSE>Arch>Gentoo. This will give you a lot of Linux experience and teach you a lot about those respective distros. It's useless in terms of valuable skills and even the knowledge you gain will be more specific to those distros and a few specified packages, but! You will be able to go on Linux Forums and IRC, and say things like "heh, reminds me of when I used to use Gentoo" and sound smug and cool and witty all at the same time. And people who can't get anything done on their computers because all they know how to do is use deprecated systems that out of religious reasons they hope will replace Windows and OS X on the desktop and lead the world to freedom will look up to you and ask you for help and vote for you to be a forum moderator on Ubuntu Forums. You can help them installed necessary libs and packages that require useless amounts of knowledge to be known about. Do it OP, forget about programming and instead use Linux with the aspiration of becoming a forum moderator! Maybe even learn some basic $bash commands, syntax, and jargon - because memorizing definitions is a lot easier than learning to program, and it will make you look smarter too.
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they made Age of Mythology using delphi, so
you can make a game with anything. I'd go with c++ or lua.
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>>598354422
c++ or c#.
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>>598368337
I haven't written anything big in ages, but for small stuff I just use Pelles C on windows.

On linux, you can just use gcc. For distro selection, I recommend CentOS.
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SO who really understands C/C++/C# and where did you start, class, book, web?
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Spanish
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>>598364395

time for bed grampa
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>>598369326
Forums, a shit ton of forums.
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>>598367557

You're just a python hater. Sorry that a "new" language is pretty much destroying the establishment of scripting languages. I bet you ruby...
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>>598369326
C: Engineering school, used K&R book, then web
C++: Following semester, classes and web
C#: Web

Google is your best ally
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>>598368843
>delphi
My nigga.

I always regretted starting with Pascal, though. It's the only language I know without having to look anything up... I'd much rather have that ability with C.
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>>598354422
>>598366614
>>598366159

WoW, Battlefield, etc use c++
c++ also have good libs like fsml and clanlib
you can use opengl too
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>>598369512
sauce?
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What's the best language for creating a basic 2D simulation with bots with basic AI and functions (taking in resources, etc.)
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>>598369667
This was the book I learned on. I still maintain that it's an excellent book, if a little out of date. It totally helped me get my head around pointers.
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>>598369748
>typical answer of googling "how to make games like cod???"
c++ is not a good starting language for making games, you are a moron. suicide booths haven't been invented yet but you should be able to overdose on rohypnol if you put that drug addled brain of yours to work. good luck, faggot.
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>>598370008
javascript
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>>598367114
Fuck you cunt, Ruby is 10 times better than python
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>>598369814
http://www.unknowncheats ( - ) me/forum/c-and-c/

usually google takes me to this site wonder why.
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>>598369748
stupid fucker, C++ is a stupid fucking language, the creator dissed the shit pile
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>>598370008

http://eloquentjavascript.net/code/#7

>run code
>see simple javascript simulation of life
>be amazed
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>>598370519
maybe he wants to be more than a loser who makes flash games for himself.
You can make useless shit with any language, but if you want to take a share in the market, you better start with the real shit.
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>>598371323
>idiotic bitching

just fuck off you dumb shit. can't even take you seriously. i'll give you credit for learning how to communicate with your betters despite your mental deficits, but you need to go back to your down syndrome playgroup. okay?
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http://www.iups(.)org/media/meeting_minutes/C.pdf
this should be useful right?
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>>598371697
nicely done for a 16 yo faggot without arguments.
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pick a game engine first, like unity or unreal 4. go from there
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>>598371321
>http://eloquentjavascript.net/code/#7
This is the kind of thing I'm interested in. Would JS allow me to create more complexity like different "species" with different trait values (speed, reproduction rates, resource intake rates, etc.)?
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>>598371773
If you take it serious and do the exercises then almost anything can be good.
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>>598372459
Shit how did you make the page turn green?
>>
Learn Apex and become an advanced salesforce.com certified developer

150k a year
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>>598372034
typical tard, just fuck off. what arguments needed? look at how retarded your last post was and come back in 3 years when you realize what a fucking retard you are. if he wants to make more than flash games maybe he shouldn't follow the advice of c++ arstechnica cod gaming retards who are pretending to know what they're talking about. were you dropped as a child or were you born like this?please put a needle in your penis tip and refrain from reproducing you dumb fucking tard
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>>598354422

Prolog
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>>598372184
yes for fucks sake. learn javascript. the code i linked is from a free fucking book. learn javascript ffs. i am from europe and must deal with these idiots all night. please just use javascript i must sleep. i try to help you man, for fucks sake, but all these fucking morons... what country is this awake now? even american's are never this fucking dumb... is now africa time?
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>>598372999
I find it quite fascinating but I've never actually used it for something practical. I just make rules and queries and go "wow that's clever"...
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does anyone have or can make me a google.doc
with all the sauce for C/C++/C#
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>>598372793
>never heard of this site
>don't play code
it's just sad to see your need to claim that you are smart. You think that your childish word combinations are cool, but you are less than a donkey to me. It's a thread about codeing and all you can do is be retarded.
That's what happens when you don't get pussy in valentines day
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