Prove God is not real. You can't. So why not believe? What if he is real?
> So why not believe?
Because it has been proven to be 'real'.
Why not magic instead? The occult has much to offer, and in many cases they encourage people to take responsibility for their thoughts and actions. Why settle for one God when there are so many?
Op wants us to believe that his wizard is real, and other wizards are not.
Why should I believe in your wizard, OP? You have precisely zero positive evidence for it. Why should I even spend time thinking about your weird ideas about magic and wonder?
Evidence, logic, science. Everything else is amusement.
Because believing a zombie died for our sins, because a book said so just doesn't cut it for me.
I think believing on evidence, fact, maths and science that our universe is a vast mystery is much more enlightening and wonderous.
Besides, science changes its stance based on evidence found in our universe. Religion wouldn't, even if someone found that without a doubt, the tomb Jesus was laid to rest in was built as some-ones shelter once.
If we marvel at our universe and spends our lives figuring things out to better understand it, would that not please God anyway? His creation is trying to understand itself, and the verse in which we live.
>Created by chance
Yes, life started due to chance. But it only needed to happen once. And with trillions of planets over billions of years the odds say it will happen at least once. And it did, here.
Big numbers are hard to grasp but the math doesn't lie.
God is real and he has a great sense of humor
>So why not believe?
>What if he is real?
I'd like to think that if he is real, he would be fair enough to think that independent thought and critique of superstitious ideas is righteous.
Why are you stupid?
It made my blood boil that there were people wanting to take it from him and pass laws saying sex offenders shouldn't be able to win the lottery.
He was charged, he did his time. He is allowed to be happy now.
>he did his time
I'm sure all those thoughts went away now. I'm sure he isn't getting a jet to cambodia to buy underage hookers. People like you are the worst, honestly. I jerked to CP, found it wrong, deleted it, and haven't looked back. Being attracted is fine, acting on impulse isn't. Stahp pls
I hope for his sake that he isn't real, because we will find him.
Proof? No, just a somewhat practical thought, that has its fair basis in logic. You have proof that child molesters who do their time don't continue to do so? Would you like to debate this or mud sling? Because I have plenty of sources they are repetitive criminals.
Ok so let's debate. By your logic anyone who commits a crime should never be released and never earn anything because they will use that to continue committing crimes.
So you advocate the death penalty for all crimes? Or just life in prison?
There's a teapot, orbiting the Sun, in between Earth and Mars, the same size as any other teapot. The teapot contacts me and tells me to kill people in the name of the mighty teapot.
Now, should I have to prove that it exists? Or should you have to prove that it doesn't exist?
Not your Anon, but I just want to let you know I kind of agree with you.
If he's done his time, he's innocent until proven otherwise.
I'm curious what his counter argument will be, good luck debating Anon, I will be lurking like a childmolester spying on his prey.
ITT: Christian pedophiles.
Pic related, lets have a more realistic discussion.
>If he's done his time, he's innocent until proven otherwise.
Perhaps we do have a creator, but that does not necessarily mean he deserves worship. Omnipotence is impossible, and our "almighty" creator might not even acknowledge us. We could be an alien child's science project he got a C- on.
If God is real, and he actually pays attention to us, he is an ass anyway. I refuse to worship someone who rules by force, I refuse to worship someone who rules by fear, I refuse to worship the tyrant that is God.
>inb4 you tip your fedora
If I write about a green closet living in the centre of the earth, and somebody finds it 1300 years from now, do you think there would be a small chance they actually believe it?
(I hope you notice I'm not being serious, but I'd love to have an answer to the question though)
WE ALL KNOW HIS NAME... being this dumb its 2015 you apple mouthed -whore
>by your logic anyone who commits a crime
Fallacy much, I never ever made that out to be the case. Pedophilia differs from someone who robs a store, or does a drug, or hires a hooker, or prints fake money, or manipulates markets, or pulls strings, or lies, etc. it is a life long condition characterized by an attractiveness to a commonly taboo age group. It is quite frequent that pedophiles act on their urges in one sense or another, be it minor "creep" photos or direct sexual contact. Go to any board of CP and you'll see plenty of "have you guys ever done anything" threads. Go watch TCA Predator and notice that there are frequent repeats.
Not really, depends on crime. Anybody who commits a murder or abuses animals or children should be put to death IMO, unless they are consistent or do it to a greater degree; i.e. serial murderer, rapist, pedophile, etc. Then they deserve life in prison. There is an argument as to how this is a drain on society and the economy, but it is justified IMNSHO. Death is a privilege, one should not get an easy way out after having enjoyed themselves in a sadistic manor.
? go ahead
let's focus on the real issues here, okay?
I recognize that Allah and God mean the same thing.
However, I say Allah to refer to a specific God
So when I say Allah, I mean "name of the Islamic god" and when I say Yahweh, I mean "name of the Hebrew god" and when I say Zeus, ...well, I think you get it...
The sun would win because the lions can't get to the sun unless they are space lions. But if the space lions live outside our solar system then all they have to do is wait until our sun eventually dies and bask in their superiority. I change my vote to space lions
You act as if I'm proud. I was 13-15 and I was on Limewire, I wanted to find girls similar to my age. That's why I searched preteen and not terms like baby blah blah like those sick fucks upload. In your quest to find good shit, you're forced to download files fully to see them. And I frequently saw disgusting children around 4-11 being abused. I changed my ways, and I still have that attraction. But I keep it in my mind and focus on women my age. It's there, but I have the willpower to avoid it.
That's a good argument, is that all you have to say? You meant the mudsling argument, not a debate.
What if he is real?
I also can't prove unicorns aren't real. But that doesn't mean I'm going to believe they are real and be ready at a moment's notice to capture one and chop off the horn to steal the unicorn's magic.
You know why? Because that shit is crazy.
but normal lions can fly, so space lions aren't even needed but normal lions cant breath space oxygen because it hurts their tummies so space lions beat normal lions i change my vote to sealions
>Prove God is not real.
Which god do you want me to prove isn't real?
I second this. The logic is sound.
Fair enough, but you should have said like Islam is right or something, otherwise people will assume that you're one of those muricans that still makes that idiotic mistake. you seem to know better though.
Nice picture. Just because you don't understand evolution, abiogenesis, or the big bang doesn't make many of the facts we know about them not true. You can't prove something doesn't exist, that isn't how it works. The burden of proof is on you to prove god exists. You can not and have not proven that god exists, therefore he does not exist, by default.
Wow, that was easy. Now if only you would accept science and logic over 67 stories selected from a much larger group of stories written years ago and translated and translated and translated (a few more times).
> Anonymous 01/19/15(Mon)00:05:41 No.593545104 ▶
>Sorry I'm not willing to debate with someone who by their own logic should be imprisoned forever.
"act on their urges"
>I never acted on it
Good skewed strawman, I'm sure not being able to think beyond a 9th grade level is pretty fun.
>Implying there is a benefit to believing in something that doesn't exist
>if you want to believe in God "just in case" he is real, then you will go to Heaven, you are stupid
>now, you have to decide what version of God/set of rules to follow
>implying that God doesn't already know and hasn't yet decided whether or not you will go to Heaven.
If God doesn't exist, then do whatever you want. If he does exist, your urges and actions were planned by him (he made you and the universe the way they are, down to the cell; by the very nature of God having ultimate power and ultimate benevolence, everything that exists is perfect, and there is no alternative to perfect, hence everything is predestined and inevitable) so do what you want.
If you want to pick a specific doctrine and do all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify why God doesn't imply predestination, then you have now wasted too much time thinking about shit that doesn't exist.
Hey guys! Normal 4chaner here. What are your full names? I'll start. I'm Jim Butler.
Guess which one of us didn't abuse a child.
Oh, sorry, I guess I'm making WAY too huge of a thought process for you.
I said being a pedophile is one thing, acting on pedophilia urges is another thing. Now ofc this thread turned into people on my ass over the fact I wasn't cowardly enough to lie bout this.
Lol at relitards mocking the big bang and evolution. As if anybody cares about what created the world and humans.
Also: the big bang and evolution are just a theory. No scientist will say it really was like that.
Also: if the big bang and evolution are proven false, that doesn't mean your stupid fairy tale is true.
You know what i believe? OP is a faggot.
I need a better reason then 'why not', or 'what if you're wrong?'
god is illogical
it's so obvious it's incredible
Because it is proven that all religion and their stories are based on the stars and their position in the sky and that thousands upon thousands of religions current and ancient all copy each others stories i.e. the roman god Ixion has the exact same story as Jesus watch the zeitgeist movie
Because there are 270 religions in this planet, so the odds of this specific god being the real deal doesnt seem high. So Id rather live without shitty, illogical, setbacks that only stunt this race.
>Mfw the abrahamic god is the jew god, muslum god and christian god
Evolution doesn't make sense because it is all gobbly gook. Some dude made it up a long time ago to explain the way he sees the world and all you liberal heathens ate it up. You will believe anything if it fits into your tiny brains, because God is just too powerful for you to grasp.
i've tried so many time to relay the word of the lord to you degenerates
i come here everyday, and i love the humor you post.
but sometimes at night i sob for your souls
Jesus is Real
he will be back
if he isn't already
you can be a christian and a /b/ tard at the same time
i wish you all the best
may love be with you
>Rock on Anons
Its good u have changed your ways
>Have you handed yourself in to the cops for punishment, or are you going to slink off and hide?
By your own words you should be put to death, viewing child abuse material is a crime
because I don't want to live a life of rules based upon what some sandniggers in the desert wrote 5,000 years ago. I'll live as I see fit to make sure that I live healthy in every way.
You know whats funny? Im pretty sure the only reason that law exists is because theyre customers tend to be poor, therefore leading to them having criminal records. God I love my country
And Isaac Newton was a polytheistic deist. He wrote a lot of stuff down, he is known for that fact. You should probably read some of it before you call someone ignorant for stating a fact.>>593546831
>make sure that I live healthy in every way.
>drinks alcohol, have sex with tons of girls and ignores the poor and homeless.
You need rules to live by to balance the world. That's why our world is fucked up now.
LOVE CHRIST Stop Eating Animals
Come to my channel and learn why eating meat is a sin and the devil fooled the world in eating meat
Prove me wrong
>viewing child abuse material is a crime
So is downloading music or movies, would you like to roll down the station together, or you sitting this one out?
>by your own words
Not gonna stating this 40 times, stop skewing what I said because I never said that, nice twist of logic though.
like you aren't understanding the true potential of this thread
I never evaded the question. You guys act like children, I never defended my actions. I stated they were wrong multiple times, and I quit. I gave plenty of civil and rational arguments, all I got was "ur a pedofile lol fgt get arrested die" Give a real argument. You guys have said that by my own logic I should be arrested, I've made it clear a couple hundred times I'm differing impulsive action and a state of mind. It's because it's taboo as shit that you just continue to spew garbage at me. Also, horse shit, you commit crimes on the daily, it's impossible not to.
I highly doubt that.
No future child rapist, it's very easy to not commit crimes
>The trick is to...wait for it...NOT COMMIT CRIMES
Now that we have that out of the way, when will you go and admit to the police you used to enjoy viewing child abuse material and have an ongoing attraction to underaged children?
>it's very easy to not commit crimes
I know, believe it or not, that, wait for this bruddah homeslice nigger, I STOPPED DOING IT. holy shit!!! ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding!
I hope you're trolling, because now you're just making me laugh, because you seem sarcastic.
>not commit crimes
I meant such as minor laws that the police will pull you over and beat the shit out of you for. They raided our house with 5 cops and made me wake up to a glock in my face over my brother accidentally buying a stolen TV.
Good god. Just stop you fucking moron. Know when you've been beaten. That guy beat your ass into the ground.
Now go back to tumblr and sjw till you get your rocks off faggot
You stoped doing it, thats great
>So why don't you feel the need to get punished for your crimes?
Is it because you'll have to go door to door and tell your neighbours you're a pervert and a sex offender?
>Maybe let them know thier kid/s aged 10-16 are objects of lust and repressed sexual frustration for you
shit please fucking no, please don't do it, I almost cannot resist dawg
Viewing and distributing child abuse material is a crime
So the answer is no, you'll not turn yourself in, because you will be tarred with the exact same brush as the dude that won lottery
Now ask yourself why people will lump future rapists like you in with actual rapists
Religion can't prove science is true.
Science can't prove religion is true.
Science's leading evidence comes across different fields of science that we were created from it.
Religion's leading evidence comes from selected, dated texts that don't pre-date man.
And you refuse to answer my question, coward. You refuse to admit that you commit minor crimes and will not turn yourself in for them. Tarred with the same brush? Plenty of people have been arrested for viewing child pornography, guess which of the two groups have to tell their neighbors they are pedophiles?
Have a good day, I'm out.
Which minor crimes would that be pedophile?
Oh wait, since you clearly lack impulse control you want us all to believe that your first arrest for raping an underage girl is not more than an oppertunity away
You're a criminal and a pervert. You admit to committing "minor" crimes and crime seems to be something you and your brother share
Tell as all again how just because you watched child porn and are attracted to little kids that you're not going to fuck one
also: God's not real
And what if he isn't? Then you've wasted your life going to church and reading the bible and following a moral code that says getting your dick sucked by your gf before marriage is a sin.
Even if God exists, who's to say that heaven also exists? And if we're talking about heaven from a Christian perspective, I would rather rot in Hell than go to heaven and worship God for all of eternity. Sounds like you spend your whole life at church just so you can die and spend eternity at church.
Fuck that shit.
I'm not the guy you've been arguing with, but you're dumb as shit.
You're entire argument boils down to: slippery slope, watch out!
Whatever I'm attracted to, I have the sense to know what hurts people and to not give in to my urges.
So fuck off you piece of shit.
how are they the same god?
jews, muslims, and christians obviously believe different things about their respective gods
why believe they're the same one?
then you might as well say that any monotheistic religion believes in the same god, but just believes different things about him/her
at some point it becomes a distinction without a difference
disagreements between monotheistic religions have always been expressed as "you believe in a false god"
how come you know better than the actual theists?
For that guy you dumb homo. The one who lacks impule control and admits his life is filled with "minor" crimes
Besides, that was his whole argument to begin with. Some faggot won some money after he got out of jail for molesting or some shit, so he should not get the cash incase he rapes more kids....
Because they all worship the Abrahamic god. Literally, all of them. To the point where muslims accept jeebuz as a prophet and the jews admit jeebus was a man who had some wise things to say
devil doesn't exist
sin requires existence of god, but there is no god
thus eating meat is not a sin and the devil could not have fooled the world to do anything
>still wrong to eat meat though
>mfw vegetarianism/veganism doesn't depend on any kind of religion/theism/spirituality
>I accuse you of using shit logic, and you point out someone else's mistakes.
>Implying you have a better sense than the Justice system
You might, but somehow I think you might not be very intelligent...
Which one would you choose though? How could you stop your own preferential bias from leading your choice to potentially a false God? Surely purgatory is better than hell, right? I'd rather be caught not following any God than the wrong one.
But the burden of proof lies with you since you are making the claim that something exist, I can make the claim that a teapot is currently in orbit around the sun and just because you can't disprove doesn't it mean that it actually exist.
and they couldn't have different beliefs about which god Abraham worshiped? or different beliefs about which god has jesus as a prophet / incarnation / avatar / whatever?
why not respond to the rest of what i actually wrote
Since some enterprising jew wrote it all down for them to read, there is no different belief
Since christians incorperate the old testament into thier book, there is no doubt
Since muslims also have alot of the same stores from the bible, yes I am comfortable making these claims
Too soon man...too fucking soon...
>No, your ad hominem was using meaningless name-calling
>dat no true scotsman
You're still a fool
This is the biggie.
Billions of planets with <120 elements means that eventually you're going to get some that end up with the possibility of life by accident.
These molecules that favour life will eventually by happenstance encounter others and eventually self replication occurs. It's not that difficult to understand it's just big numbers and possibility that people like to conveniently ignore.
but placing the burden of proof on the claimant precisely doesn't entitle you to the kind of claim OP is asking for
it takes arguments to assert "god exists"
it takes arguments to assert "god does not exist"
these are both beliefs
how does rejecting the arguments for god's existence prove god does not exist?
on its own it just leaves you agnostic or undecided, without a belief either way