Was it really necessary for the U.S To drop the Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki
were the U.S losing that bad?
I mean japan didn't deserve to get their shit pushed in like that. There could have been another way.
Yeah! Those chinese fuckers deserved to die for spreading communism
The Japanese would not stop. They were taking territories in the Pacific left and right, and brutally. The entire nation was ready to die for the honor of the Emperor. The first bomb just pissed them off more, but also made some of them think a little. The second bomb finally stopped them. There's notes from the time in which US officials noted that the second bomb was a gamble -- we only had two bombs and if the second didn't work we had no plan "b".
IOW: we could be fighting Islam in the name of the Emperor.
The Japanese were warned way ahead of time that they will be nuked and urged the people to beg the emperor to surrender, but he didn't care hell it took him 2 days to even realize that they were nuked
Are you high? They tried to surrender, but we only let them until after we dropped the bombs.
But I don't give a shit. We were just flexing our muscles to get the Russians to shit their pants.
The nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki prevented "Operation Downfall", a massive ally invasion of Japan that would have resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and would have worsened the war. Operation Downfall was D-Day on steroids. The attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were basically a moral imperative to prevent further death.
i think we could have not dropped them on their cities and done bombing raids an airstrikes easily enough and won by doing the same damage and not making their cities unlivable for decades to come, however, that was a flex for the US. we are now a super power because of that and other nations are afraid of us which is good and bad. It was needed but it definitely ended it sooner that the other options and we have gotten more of a name for ourselves do to that and the cold war. so its good and bad, but no we didnt have to do it, we just wanted(needed) to in order to make our country better. makes a good story though. and also this is an old test video not the fimliming of the drop. they didnt film it... they couldnt during the mission, it was top secret.
Downfall was a unilateral plan by the US with something like 500,000 estimated US casualties alone. massive civilian casualties in a sustained conflict would surely dwarf the numbers lost in the two bombings
we could of done a land invasion but millions would of died on both sides
the nukes basically were to scare them into submission, normal bombing raids arent as ascary as having one bomb wipe a city out, and it only left land uninhabitable for a few years
They did it because they're cunts.
The first is not even justifiable, but comes close to it. No matter how many bullshit excuses the US came up with, it was an evil and horrid thing to do.
The second one was a fucking war crime. Everybody involved should have been put to death, as they only dropped it as a science experiment. Japan was already in the motions of surrender when they fucking dropped it and they knew.
Just another example of America being the shittest country in the world, one of the most disgusting massacres in history to date
Yes, the Japanese were losing, but the nuke was necessary because the Japanese were programmed to not stop fighting.
Also the fuckers deserved it becuse of all the atrocities committed to is soldiers.
Yeah it was. Considering the war needed to be done with.
Plus, the Japanese pride is strong. They needed a good sucker punch to keep them down.
If you've the weapons to defeat, use them. No matter how bad the outcome could result.
War is war.
this is just retarded. calling the Japanese out when we can a of those issues and more and is absolutely retarded and shows you are uneducated. you belong in a school for ants
wrong. They could have dropped a bomb in the ocean/countryside to show what they were capable of. Even if the government (which, by the way, was already collapsing and about to surrender due to public revolution or voluntary submission) had chosen to keep fighting after a demonstration, their people would have destroyed them.
America jumped in at the end of both wars.
The first one was all Britain, the 2nd was all Britain and Russia. America did next to nothing. That is, except force Japan into the war by putting trade embargoes on the entire country.
actually even with the 2nd atomic bomb only like 50% of the generals wanted to surrender, only until like a finance minister urged them to stop due to how crippling any more bombs would of been did they finally decide to surrender
FDR was only going to use the bombs as a last resort and never told the then Vice President Harry S. Truman and when FDR died Truman was just like yo lets nuke these fucks and it was a mistake and shouldnt have happened fuck all ya'll niggers
it was the US had taken countless casualties in the island hopping warfare they had been doing. Those were smaller islands and the Japanese refused to surrender. Since that was the case a full scale invasion of the main island would have lost a lot of american lives. They used the bomb so that american lives wouldn't be lost and to show the rest of the world (USSR) what they had.
>There could have been another way.
If they would have surrendered after the first one, there wouldn't have been a second bomb dropped. Japan probably would not have surrendered any other way. At least not without another million people dying.
You're god damn right.
I thought the same thing when I posted my shit.
nobody would of seen it or fully understood the power, the first bomb was dropped on basically war factories so there barely was civilian loss of life anyways more of just soldiers
>Being this naive
To give you an idea of how many casualties invading the mainland of Japan would have required, every single purple heart medal awarded since WW2 was produced in preparation for the invasion.
An invasion would have cost hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives. It would have likely made the Japanese civilian population suffer even more deaths than those two bombings, as we would have continued to bomb their cities (think Dresden, etc).
...and that's without even considering the Bushido code and the suicide attacks civilians would have likely been forced to take part in.
Brittany got their ass kicked left and right in ww1 by the Germans.
The US joined in 1941, just after the world war became "world wide" and beat the Japanese single handedly. Also brought down the Germans with the help of the Russians.
Britain was inconsequential both times.
The UK still technically owes the us war debts
Basically the US could have either dropped the bombs or fight through a nation willing to die and lose half a million more soldiers (estimated by a U.S. general) or take out Japan and crush it's resistance while at the same time discouraging attacks from Russia and preventing the spread of communism to Japan.
Truman knew that if we didnt drop bombs then we would have to invade, and the casualties were predicted at over a million
he decided hed rather kill 200,000 japs than an equal or greater number of americans in an invasion
Millions more would've died had the us invaded Japan, not to mention it wouldve dragged the war out
An American life is worth everything and a japanese life was worth nothing. I would have fire bombed the entire nation into ash if it ment saving just 1 american life. Thats the mentality, just how they would have all died on that island fighting til the last man to kill just 1 american and live in japan 1 second longer.
Truman was against using the nukes, but he tried to use them later against Korea, and long story short ended up getting fired for it. No fear apparently staring into the face of mutually assured destruction policies
The Japanese had made it quite clear that the US would have to genocide the Japanese in order to force them to surrender.
Doing that manually would have cost a lot of American lives so they picked the easy way out. Genocide was inevitable, whether it was gonna cost American lives was the questions. On top of that, manual genocide would have prolonged the war, and in every single scenario: Longer war = worse war. Even for the Japanese, who likely would have thrown even more of their lives away due to a faint hope of victory or at least an honorable death. Nuking them was to send a soul crushing message, that no, you will not make a defiant last stand, no you will not die honorably, no you cannot win, yes you will surrender or be annihilated. Further more, the decision maker had the choice between saving an estimated several 100.000 of his countrymen's lives or try to spare an enemy that even at that point had earned themselves a reputation and a bunch of war criminals and psychos. That is not a hard choice.
The Japs were the ones who waited around for a second nuke before quitting even though they knew they had lost before the first bomb.
>were the U.S losing that bad?
U.s planned on invading Japan which would have resulted in more Japanese civilian and american soldier casualties. This is middle school shit you dumb faggot, what's to discuss?
This is simply one of those scenarios where no one wins at all. It was a choice between hundreds of thousands of people dying and millions of people dying.
I've thought about it a lot, and I can't really say which one I'd choose. Looking back, it must have been one of the hardest decisions President Truman has ever had to make. I often wonder if President Roosevelt would have gone through with the bombing if he had survived all the way through the war. I've seen pictures of the devastation left by the two bombs, and it's nightmarish. No one should ever have go suffer that much. No one.
How do you choose between killing hundreds of thousands of people and sending millions of soldiers to their deaths to invade a country where the soldiers would fight tooth and nail for every inch of land? It was an impossible choice. I can't even say that it was the lesser of two evils.
In the end though, the bombing did save millions of lives. It was a gamble, as another anon pointed out, because we did not have the resources to make a third bomb for a very long time. If I remember correctly, it would have taken many months, maybe even a year or more to have any more bombs ready to use. If the Japanese didn't surrender after we dropped the second one, we would impaled ourselves on our own sword, having to send our soldiers into a country where their hatred of them had just increased hundred-fold. Not to mention the fact that at some point we'd have had to send troops into areas possibly irradiated, which would mean even more horrible deaths.
When it comes right down to it, it seems like a simple choice. Looking more closely, it isn't so black and white. If the bombs had simply killed those people, I'd be inclined to say that it was the right thing to do. No suffering, no long lasting effects, no radiation. But the side effects make me and a lot of other people stop twice and think.
they got over it
they love the USA now and copied our way of life as best they could
you should get over it too
I feel you.
But, again. Obama isn't going to do shit to Putin. No one will.
Unless we get some balls deep mother fucker in office.
I could see North Korea attempting to nuke Russia; Then actually hitting Russia's nuclear HQ.
Then.. Russia's 'defensive nuclear launch' would aim everywhere in the world nukes are located resulting in the end game.
It would be like a little kid pushing the big red button that says 'DONT FUCKING PUSH'
>This guy gets it. They were already for a conditional surrender, keeping their precious emperor on the throne was the only condition. They get nuked, give an unconditional surrender, and america was like w/e and let the emperor rule anyways. America saw a new threat in Russia, and wanted to demonstrate their newfound power. Most feats of technology are just there to let the enemy know how smart and capable you are. NASA springs to mind. Even the bunker busters used in afghanistan were really just a message to Russia "Yo bitches we gots the bomb that can penetrate yo military bunkers, nigga!"
no they couldnt of, especially considering it took 2 atomic bombs on populated cities to make them surrender. They even refused to surrender after the first bomb
also the 1st bomb was basically the equivalent of the US going easy since it basically the smaller of the 2 cities and was mainly used for munition manufacturing
firebombing Japan would of caused more death than the bombs
Also endgame could be started after the ice caps melt and Antarctica is a whole new continent for a country to take
Glad I wont be alive to see it shit will be fucking cash though
The Japs were getting shit on at that point in the war. Japanese offensive capability was castrated at Midway, but the time of the Battle of the Phillipines it was fucking game over for Japan. The US had more carriers and could build more carriers, the Japanese were struggling to build any at all.
Kamikaze? Desperation. Banzai charges? Desperation. Even Pearl Harbour was a desperate gamble, and it didn't pay off.
Fuck off you Liberal bitch.
You're the fucking stain on Americas history.
It's people like you who are influencing the niggers to parade around cities because of criminal teenagers being shot by cops doing their jobs correctly.
Yes the japs were inhuman in many ways. Its why they are still hated in the countries they colonised. However a warning and a demonstration could or would have caused a surrender. If no surrender tokyo would be next. But that did not happen did it
The way i see it if their wasn't any nukes dropped on Japan, WW3 would have started right after WW2 ended. Think about the USSR, and how nukes kept the cold war from ever escalating into large-scale combat.
Militaryfag here. No it was not necessary but it was a lot cheaper and faster way to win the war. The USA was ready to bask in a post war boom and they were tired of waiting...could you blame them?
stfu lol military fags are usualy dumber than the general population
sure it wasnt necassary but not because they wanted to bask in the economy its because they didnt want estimated life loss of millions for both sides
Considering they wanted to destroy our fleet so they could invade the west coast, and kill innocents.
The bombs were entirely necessary.
I just wish we had the massive cock our Generals, and President had back in the 40's.
as much as i like japan they needed those bombs to teach them some empathy. back in the day those fuckers were out of control.
America did warn Japan, but Japan being the dog eating faggots they are didn't listen, and as a result got two cities vaporized.
>Japan was next
I hope you don't think they would nuke it, because America only had 2 nukes. They warned saying more destruction would come if Japan didn't surrender, but it was just a gamble.
From what I understand the US used the bombs to end the war quickly, before he Soviets could grab more land.
What I don't understand is why the US didn't detonate the bombs off the japanese coast. I guess that's because the US only had a few bombs in 1945 and that they were unsure if they would even work!
I have read a lot about the development of the bomb, and what I have noticed about most of the guys who have been interviewed working on it is that they all seemed to have a hard on for dropping it on Berlin
that was their thing, they wanted to shove that fucker right up hitler's ass
but the Russians took berlin 3 months before it was ready
Ignorant muthafuckers think Pearl Harbor was the only bad thing the Japs did. Like it all just started with that and we simply reacted by dropping nukes. Those fucking Japs were causing MASS destruction and suffering with their ambitions to take over the whole Pacific.
not a warcrime due to the fact that nuclear weapons were not banned before dropping them. it was within the Geneva Convention at the time, therefore not a war crime. DEAL WITH IT
my father was a sailor in Hawaii being warehoused until the invasion of japan was to take place. he is total convinced the atom bomb saved his life. the Japanese would have fought to the death.
they knew they would work as they tested them in the deserts, its that they knew they wouldnt surrender outherwise
they were having their cities firebombed before and that wasnt phasing them
You're adorable. By 1945 Japan posed no threat what so ever. Rooting them out of holes on mainland japan would have been a pain in the ass though.
I'm an officer not some enlistedfag. Also, the government didn't give a flying fuck about the "loss of life" on both sides...just ours.
>Was it really necessary to nuke the poor innocent Japan
Yes it was you fucking Nancy.
They would have never surrendered if we didn't nuke them, dropping the bomb saved more lives on both sides in the long run.
Now fuck off with your shitty bait you humongous faggot.
Hahaha you so know Americans treated the Japanese survivors better than Japan, hell most of the survivors were ostracized shortly after because they thought they would die from being near them
It wasn't until very recently that the Japanese government even gave a shit about them
bro they nuked one city; killed 100,000 people in a second and asked them to surrender
they said no
so they nuked another one and acted like they had more
dropping one off the coast would have done exactly jack shit
THAT is how you know it saved millions of American lives
WE HAD TO NUKE THEM TWICE, they were never going to surrender a land war, every able bodied person would have fought to the end
Necessary?? No but it was sterile and we liked the taste.
It ended up saving far more lives than the alternative. The Japanese were completely FANATICAL. They would have dug in and fought tooth and nail for every square metre. They had started handing out weapons to school children to defend their homeland with their lives. The only way was to fully demolish their will. Destroy any notion of them fighting back. It was awful and horrific, but it was probably the best outcome. Millions would have died on all sides if they had kept up the fight.
tokyo had been firebombed about 50 times by then and was in ruins
they picked cities that had not been heavily bombed yet so the japs could see the power of a single bomb
>that's one big stain
Like Americans give a shit, it's war. It's not like America was neutral with Japan and just went "lol lets test nuke on those chinks for fun"
Actually that's probably what they said.
You're the reason this country is going down the shitter you white apologist fuck
>inb4 lol I trole u I was just pretending to be retarded
Fucking end yourself you waste of space.
I just read about this, the survivor's were basically treated as demons or someone with a highly contagious disease and were for a long time viewed as non Japanese people because of the burns
I'm Danish, and thanks to actually bothering to learn the history of the whole episode know they did the reasonable thing.
Was it a terrible thing to do? Yes, but the alternative was worse. Worse for America and worse for Japan. But in that situation, worse for America was reason enough.
Start shit, get shit. Refuse to stop when told to stop, get more shit. Fuck, the Japanese would have done worse to the Americans had they won.
i wonder what the grandfathers of these hikikomori shut in anime fags think of their kids today
Exactly. Just look at the Casualty rates on IWO Jima, Peleliu, Guadalcanal, Okinawa, etc. They fought almost to the last man, taking well over 90% casualties each time.
Those are not the statistics of someone who surrenders. In fact, I'm not sure if such consistent, fanatical devotion has appeared anywhere else in history... but I must admit I lack the spectrum of knowledge to say for certain.
Regardless, it is both disgusting and admirable.
>tfw a third wave of bombers at pearl harbor would have recked shit of our pacific fleet
but that's true, end of war japan was teaching their peasants to fight with sharpened bamboo stakes
they were raping an pillaging in China,
the USA won and kindly rebuilt japan into a technical modern society free of charge and bought every walkman and honda they could churn out
they were going to enslave anyone they beat...
>They could have dropped a warning bomb miles from a city. The japs are not stupid. It was murder and a war crime. And a stain on usa history
considering that they did not give up after being given the chance AFTER nuking one city....
that's not true
The entire population would have died for their Emperor. It's difficult to imagine just how much they would have done. They would never be beaten through attrition. Not before a long, bloody decade of pointless death.