ITT: Ask a Quranist Muslim anything
>What's a Quranist?
A Muslim that believes only in the Qur'an, as opposed to the Qur'an and hadith as other Muslims do. We have an almost different set of belief for example damnation isn't eternal and the very definition of the word Muslim isn't exclusive to Islam.
>Do you get offended if people post offensive images about Islam?
Nope. Doesn't bother me at all.
>Aren't you doing that taqiyya thing?
I am, but not towards non-believers. I'll answer questions earnestly to the best of my ability and it's up to you to believe me or not.
Taqiyya is a shia concept, nice try shlomo.
>>Aren't you doing that taqiyya thing?
go kill yourself fucking satanist shit
Fuck your kind and the rest of shitskin sandniggers
explain honor killings, you dark-ages backwards faggots
A number of non-Muslim believe that Muslims will lie to gain their trust and destroy them. Actual taqiyya however has more to do with saving oneself rather than destroying others.
You don't have to care. But if you ask an actual question, I will answer.
To show how misguided the mainstream Islam is.
>To show how misguided the mainstream Islam is.
It's easier for us to just hate you all since you don't exactly wear sighs around your necks saying "I believe in honor killings.."
Honour killings are a cultural issue. I don't feel the need to call out other religions, but India is a good example of where such retarded shit happens and has nothing to do with Muslims
It's not the same thing nigger
All the bullshit we did in Middle-East to defend private financial interests backfired on us.
We supported terrorism against the commies, you dumb nigger.
FUCK MIDDLE EAST FUCK ISLAM WE WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THAT.
Anyone telling you otherwise is a retarded goy or a JIDF shitter, but be my guest and go die to ragheads in some Middle-East shithole to defend Israel.
>To show how misguided the mainstream Islam is.
What makes you think you are more wise than most other Muslims?
How do you know something that they don't?
Are you calling them stupid?
I have blonde hair and blue eyes, I live in Texas. I am as white as it gets. I speak Arabic. I have friends from Kuwait who explained Islam to me for over a year. Islam, like most religions is like a salad bar, you can take what you want and leave what you don't yet claim pretty much what you want in the name of interpretation. Get bent, nobody on /b/ cares.
Cultural phenomenon. There's no honor killings in other parts of the Muslim world such as the Southeastern Asia. And no, we're not at fault for the missing planes in this area.
Political reasons. One side wanted Mohammed's friend to be the next leader, the other wants his son-in-law. As such, there was a political divide that lasts until this day. While the core tenets are the same, the rituals slightly vary due to conflicting hadiths.
That is true, and I understand. If I cannot reason with my fellow muslims, maybe I could reason with the non-muslims.
What drew me to Islam is actually a single verse from the Qur'an. "Travel the world and see how God made this world." It was the message that you're supposed to find out about the wonders of this world.
>That is true, and I understand. If I cannot reason with my fellow muslims, maybe I could reason with the non-muslims.
How about you stop being a muslim.. doesn't sound like it's done a whole lot for you. Change your name, stop wearing robes and turbans.. just a thought.
How do you reconcile your innate sense of morality with the Quranic perscription of violence in response to such trasgressions as apostacy and homosexuality?
How do you reconcile any of the Quranic endorsement of violence?
>homosexuality is right because it was removed from the list of mental illnesses in the US
Apostasy shouldn't be punished by death, blame the salafists/wahhabis revisionist making the laws.
You have to understand that Islam is used as a political tool, for example the house of Saud in Arabia are extremely weak without religion, that's why they have to enforce (ironically) un-Islamic rules to stay in power.
For you to be convinced that Islam is the right religion is beyond my scope of power. It's a matter of faith and understandably enough, Islam in general looks pretty shitty right now.
As for 5 positive things, Muslims did help develop the fields of mathematics and physics.
Because the other Muslims are tied to their dogma and they don't dare to question their own religion. I know something they don't because I dared to look in places where I was told not to look. And yes, they are pretty stupid.
Context. It's understandable for anyone to see that it looks violent, but there are different forms of verses in the Qur'an. Some are specific to Mohammed and only Mohammed, some are parables, some are legit commands and some are examples. As for the context of kill the non-believers, it's specific to the time when Mohammed first began to preach and it was more of a call to fight back against their own oppression.
I don't even wear robes and rubans.
That's the hadith. Qur'an doesn't call for violence against the homosexual and apostasy. The Qur'an even states that "There is no compulsion in religion" and even a whole verse dedicated to leaving the non-believers alone.
Some are open to hear me out after I ask simple questions first, while others fear that I might get myself in trouble for my ideas.
At what age should a girl be allowed to enter into marriage and have sex?
What sort of mental gymnastics do you practice to square the idea of Muhammad being the best of men, for all times and places, with the fact that he regularly had sex with a nine year old to the point where her hair fell out from stress?
Are there any Muslims who believe in the singular nature of Allah, but don't believe Muhammad was Its prophet?
Are there any Muslims who openly regard Muhammad as a flawed individual?
It's worse with Islam, they have no centralized authority. You could become an "Imam" and start your own terrorist group, it's literally the easiest way to get power in Middle-East.
And we aren't helping by supporting puppet dictators and alienating the general population.
Not really, it's just that the mainstream views of Islam is the wahhabi version. Most "Muslims" don't follow their religion but they are quick to get outraged, fucking hypocrites.
When Islam wasn't shit Atheists, Jews and Christians were free to roam in Islamic land, they had libraries and universities.
Remember when Islamic scholars reviewed Atheist literature?
I believe that the islam religion is being used by the arab leaders as a means to arm their people in the bloody fight against the oppressing west. If we (the west) left the arabs and the middle east alone then the arabs would leave us alone in return. What i am saying is that religion is just the weapon, not the reasoning. Do you agree / disagree?
wait, saying Muslims helped develop sciences is not the same as saying those sciences were developed due to the Islamic faith!
Can you name 5 things that were given to the world (western or not) that originate from the faith of Islam.
Unless you believe that without your holy book, those muslim astronomers would never look up in the sky.
Not him but you don't understand. The initial version of Islam promoted science and research;
Then Islam died, then it was "rebooted" in a version called "wahhabism".
For marriages in general, I'd say late 20's. When they have sex is none of my business.
False hadiths attributed to him makes him look bad. Some argued that she was in fact nineteen years of age.
Yes, I do. Well, not too openly around other Muslims that's for sure.
The West is more of a boogeyman, actually. Fear is instilled to control the general population. Even if you somehow manage to leave the Arabs alone, there's still the possibility of false flag attacks by their own hands.
The actual Islamic faith, before everything went to shit, actually promotes understanding of our world. It emphasizes on civil discourse, etiquette, manners.
YOU FUCKING FOOL
saying that Muslims committed terrorist acts isn't the same as saying that those acts were committed to the Islamic faith, yet your entire continent argues that every fucking day
besides some mathematics (hasn't changed much), oil that isn't even worth "freedom" and ugly calligraphy what is your contribution to civilisation again?
they were committed as a retaliation to the insults against Islam. It is safe to assume those acts were based on the Islamic faith.
thanx for that. only found things about libraries though. Not saying thats a bad thing, but i am pretty sure the idea of libraries and free access to information predate Islam. But i see the point.
I would say naming your child Mohammad is creating an image of the prophet.
150 milion men/boys are named Mohammad
That will be 300 milion parents that should have fatwas on them.
So, let's pretend I just found out that religion is a mental disease. No cure is possible, the only way to get you out of this shit would be to murder you. What would you say?
Who is the real murder? The stupid guy who believes anything becauses he needs answers for his shitty life OR the guy who wrote the book telling everyone reading it to kill people ?
The whole point of that ordeal was to highlight the fact that Mohammed was only human. He was tricked by those closest to him but in the end, I believe that God took care of him. That is however my own personal faith and belief.
I would say that you might be a sociopath. In this specific circumstance, the real murderer would be you.
>I'm a gril btw
>telling everyone reading it to kill people ?
This is factually wrong and only based on your terrible reading comprehension and/or exposition to propaganda used to dehumanize Muslims because we are bombing them.
If you try to justify the murder of innocent civilians, you're scum disregard of your religion/race/political party.
Spoiler : you're doing it, you primitive nigger.
I'm not OP, but I share his views.
Another word for faith is trust. When you have faith in the Quran, you trust that it is 100% accurate and is the word of god. The Hadith, however, is the word of man, and a political man at that, written 250+ years after the death of Muhammad, so no, I don't trust the hadith either.
What do you think about the Islamic revolution started by Khomeini?
I didn't say atheists are sociopaths. I'm saying if you were to kill someone because they believe in their own religion, that's a sign of having sociopath traits.
And yes, sort of.
Horrible thing to had happened. The former is what Islam should look like. A scholar by the name of Muhammad Abduh once said "I went to the West and saw Islam, but no Muslims; I got back to the East and saw Muslims, but not Islam."
tfw I dont. I just cant stand religious people, because they dont think by themselves. All that they say is vernacular bullshit, they just cannot look the world like it really is.
I feel sad for them, because they spread hate and blood around them. I feel sad because they don't give a shit about what other people think, because they admit they dont want to know. They prefer nice tales, because tales are moar comfortable to believe in, I guess.
stop blaming the media, maybe they manipulate the reality to make it look better on tv, thats a job, but they're still manipulating real facts.
For a good many centuries, the middle east was the center of culture for the whole eastern world. There are countless contributions to sciences, architecture, art, etc.
By their definition, I would be an apostate. I don't hate my own religion, just the twisted version we have right now. Also, all the love for Christ thing kinda creeps me out. If I had to pick another religion besides this one it would be Buddhism.
>stop blaming the media
It's not just the media, you are quick to forget about how Middle-East was destabilized by the proxy cold war, you are quick to forget about all the dictators WE SUPPORT IN THE WEST, you are quick to forget about all the civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan.
This isn't coming out of nowhere because "hurrrr religion is bad", you baby killer apologist.
The truth is, it doesn't matter if you're religious or not, primitive niggers like yourself (disregard of their religion) that keep thinking about killing people instead of doing anything productive are part of the problem.
I seriously hope you're sterile.
Will you come to my town so you can get murdered? The less of you fucking idiots taking up all the air, the better. Muslims are fucked up on a level so bad that it makes autistic, plushie fucking, adult bronies look sane.