Who do you think would win with China as the aggressor?

>>591167237
China, no questions asked, ni hao ni hao

>>591167237
The US couldn't handle a ground assault. It's people have no concept of how to survive once the supermarkets close.

America has the worlds strongest army, navy, and airforce. America is an ocean away. America is part of NATO. Chinese economy relies on US. How could china possibly win?

Trick question, America would obv be aggressor. Either way china, because better economy and theres so many of them

>>591167892
I have an american flag thats made in china

>>591167237

>There are people on this board that think China could win the war without the use of WMDs.

Disgusting.

>>591167671

Ask yourself why the united states hasn't been invaded since 1812.

hint, a figure no less illustrious than Yamamoto will give you your answer.

Why are we talking about China? Today is a Muslim hating day, stay on target, you dipshit. Seriously, fuck this noise.

>>591168065
And?

>>591167237
While China does have superiority in numbers, the fact of the matter is that these are a peopke who can't make dinner plates without breaking if you breathe on them, and are incapable of making dog food that doesn't kill the fucking dog. They are so hungry, they eat human fetuses.
Also, the people of China have suffered under the oppressive heel of communism for over half a century. There is no passion and true national spirit there.
America would win while giggling. Bonus points if we flout the UN as we should have been doing all along since its inception.

>>591167237
Fucking hell, we would never be the aggressors, the US would attack first after divide and conquer tactics fail and China would beat them.

the US. they have better international relations/influece/pressure and ∞military bases

>>591167671

Please, do explain how the Chinese would be able to cross the ocean and invade the US, without being blown to pieces by the 7th Fleet. They have one aircraft carrier, and it's fucking shit.

>>591168054

>Implying numbers and economy is the two things that determine the outcome of a war

Fuck off civvie.

>>591169094

>China would beat them.

You have nothing to back this up.

>>591167237
Stop posting this thread

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>>591169094

>>591168856
Your entire view of us makes you a dumb cunt. Modern Chinese army is fucking elite, lack of technogy, but training, mindset and strategy is top tier.

>>591169465
In the end it comes down to technology. No matter how good your tactics are, if the enemy has technology infinitely superior to yours, you are fucked.

>>591169465
Oh you're from China? I cannot count the ways that I am unafraid of you. Our fucking girl scouts could beat your starving dog eating army

>>591169224
I have your ignorance and underestimation. Deception will fuck you. If we could defend Korea well enough with our 3rd world technology back in the day against most of the western world then we would fucking destroy you with modern technology along with countless legions of elite soldiers. Numbers is nothing without strategy and training, look at the wars between Persians and Greeks. Today with the superior training and strategy of the Chinese military, it can easily destroy foreign forces.

>>591169808
Nope, we'd fucking mop the floor with you cunts.

Each year, the united states graduates 70,000 people in STEM fields.

Each year, China graduates 500,000 people in STEM fields.

We're rapidly un-innovating ourselves out of first place.

There is one thing that the US graduates 500,000 of each year, lawyers.

>>591167892
your a retard. really you believe they are the best? did you forget they lost to Vietnam!

>>591169808
You are afraid of us because people like you keep talkingn about us wanting to invade you, and wars between our countries, which is very unlikely on China's part. You spout aggression and rage simply because of your fears and insecurities.

>>591167237
No one ever lists goals in these threads.
War is just a way of achieving political goals.

If China simply wants to drag the USA into another war it can't afford to cripple it economically then yes, China could achieve that goal.
If China wants to secure all us soil with a prolonged occupation then no, China doesn't have a chance.

>>591170317
Population of China: 1.4billion
Population of America: 330 Million
No shit they have more STEM graduates. The question is, how many of those graduates then move to the US to pursue carreers.

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>>591170197
You think I fear this? You backward cannibal.

>>591167892

MWF this faggot doesnt know about the annunaki

XD

#secrettreatise

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo

>>591170399
So did the Chinese.

>>591170024

>Chinese nationalist

Should have guessed. The mere fact that you would get utterly crushed by your lack of ships and sophisticated aircraft doesn't even dawn upon your mind.

If the US enters a war against anyone, all means possible, with a scorched earth policy, no nation could stand against them.

it would be a war that would last decades. i'm assuming WMD are a no go. china couldn't possibly get to the states. on the otherhand the us can't invade china. the country is just to big and to wild. lots of jungle, and just look how that went during the pacific war. also the chineese army are pretty danm big, they could just stay on the offensive. there'd be no victors

>>591170687
So aliens are going to help china win?

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>>591170402
You mistake me, Hop-sing. I know you pasty little skeletons don't have the fuel, will, skill or technology to imagine an invasion.
If you are lucky, Russia will use you cavemen as human shields when they invade us.

>>591168375
Yamamoto stated "behind every blade of grass is a American with a gun" Guess what your guns are being restricted you stupid tool. That does not apply now because does every american have military grade weapons now???? Nope. Thank you Anti Gun Fascists

>>591170877
defensive sorry*

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>>591167237
War without limits. China would win. Almost everything in America is made in China. In 1 month inflation alone would triple the price of everything.

I hate 'Muricans and chinks equally.
But I'd vote for America.
I want all weaboo and ausitic anime shit out of this world.. just makes our world alot dumber.
People that are 10+ shouldn't watch anime

>>591170606

The point is we're clearly capable of graduating 500,000 engineers and physicists a year, because we do it with lawyers... but that's not what americans value anymore.

there has been a steep decline in foreign talent coming and staying here in the last decade or so, as the rest of the world's technological infrastructure catches up to and surpasses ours. you don't really think we're still #1 do you? our internet backbone is shitty. our factories aren't upgraded. our workforce is lazy. China and India and so on are launching people into space. you don't do that with 3rd world technological infrastructure.

With nuclear weapon - probably none. For now USA- China is the only way to nuclear apocalipsys. Even though it is very unlikely to happen ever.
With conventional only no country can win vs USA at all-out war. But if you count EU as 1 country they will win. China in this case would probably would not be even close to USA borders ever.

>>591171091
That is the only prayer Vachina has. That America becomes dumb and cheap enough to use the shit products China "produces" to wage war.

>>591170877

If you crush China's major cities on their coastline, you basically force them into the mountains, and it becomes Iraq 2: China with Chinese people doing hit and run. If the US employs a scorched earth policy, and just flatten and burn everything in the jungle and mountains (As is the purpose of the thread) China as we know it will cease to exist, and the US would be victorious.

>>591168856
did you forget Vietnam? that was the retarded thinking that lost the war and made USA retreat.
Oops sorry should have used the American term "advanced to the rear"

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>>591167237
Obvious answer is obvious

It wouldn't be China vs America. It would be China vs. The UK, France, Germany, Japan, S. Korea, and America

We beat the japs so hard that we literally gave them cancer. One group of slants is just the same as another.

>>591171312
EU nations can't even prevent thousands of migrants from getting in and they're going to take on the U.S.?
What's that shit you're smoking called brah?

>>591167892
i never got why you guys think Chine relies on your economy. Don't you think they have their own demand with 1.3 billion fking people?

>>591171490
Hey everybody, here's a guy who never read anything about the Vietnam war or the politics involved let alone the massive amount of casualties inflicted by the U.S on the VC and NVA!

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>>591171667
>EU nations can't even prevent thousands of migrants from getting in
> U.S

>>591168375
>Ask yourself why the united states hasn't been invaded since 1812.


Two giant oceans might have something to do with it.

>>591169721
Tell that to World War 2 Germany. You bloody knuckle dragger. Numbers wins wars plain and simple. the Russians proved that for every 1 tank made by Germany the Russians build 4. Obviously you need to stay playing you DD game

>>591171452

But who would build all my electronic shit then?

>>591171863
do you know anything about international trade? cutting trade ties with the US would leave China with a colossal amount of debt.

>>591171490
See, here's the thing with Vietnam.
First off, in the interest of objectivity, you're not wrong. However, you miss the fact that like the Korean war, and in Clinton's idiotic eastern european skirmishes throughout the 90s, America made the pathetic mistake of taking UN convention seriously. We fought like cunts, even moreso in Korea. General Patton in fact tried to arrest Truman when he returned.
But in both those cases, we were not in a war for survival. Should China invade the US(or more likely, be Russia's good little lapdogs in an invasion), it would be a fight for survival, and you would see a USA closer to it's days when we were a true nation, and not some shit hell district of a fantasy global government.

>>591172155

Supply and demand, someone else will fill the void. India, probably.

>>591171863
1 billion of them can't afford rice tho.

>>591167237
Neither. Both sides cut economic ties with the other, both countries' economies collapse.

>>591171863
A lot of those people couldn't even afford to pay for internet.

>>591167237
Europe

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>>591172097
I think boats have been invented, though.

>>591172110
your argument made no sense, you claim numbers win wars, then compare how the Russians have 4 tanks to every 1 tank Germany had.

>>591170024
China is building a larger submarine fleet on the principals that "we can't kill them all when we run out of missiles". China isn't exactly know for its military prowess. It just doesn't give a fuck about human life, and that makes it dangerous

>>591172218
Are you this stupid?
China owns most of the US debt. If America cuts ties they basically default. Their credit rating becomes even more shit then it already is, suddenly noone wants to do trade with the US.

You people think china relies on the US? It's the other way around.

>>591171452
don't think it would be that easy... should the chineese just cease to fight because they lost their mayor cities. scorching so much land ain't easy mate. they can shot down airplanes, make airstrips on in the inland out of range from the amerocan navy. there are many more aspects to war...

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>>591167892
quite the opposite as far as economy goes, stay in school.

>>591172110

>Let's ignore the lend-lease, the second front and general winter, then numbers totally wins guise

>>591170980
There are more firearms in America then people. Seriously in sitting in a room with three. It's not a stereotype to say we own a lot of guns. It's a fact. Any invading country would be met with heavy civilian resistance

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>>591167237
> usa vs china

Do you live in the 2000s ?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/10/us-china-usa-idUSKCN0IU16C20141110

>>591172445
>I think boats have been invented, though


You mean those giant, expensive, slow moving objects that lumber across the ocean? Yeah, no big deal.


America is nothing without its geography.

>>591170024
Jack ass you are talking an American invasion. You bucktoothed skeletons couldn't even make it here, let alone take us over.

Torture, spying, illegal wars, crippling sanctions, secret arms trading with 'freedom fighters and Jihadists, Hollywood propaganda...and a puppet media to turn a blind eye.

Where did it all go wrong for the 'Land of the Free..?


also chinas gdp is higher /thread

>>591167237
US can't even beat sandniggers. China would destroy the US

>>591173159
And civilians would just get in the way of organized military resistance.

Although to be fair in the case of all put war I'm sure pretty much everyone would be drafted anyway.

>>591173339
China is nothing without American dollars.

the USA could never truly defeat china by land invasion. Just look at it, it´s fucking massive.


China, on the other hand, would have little trouble with a land invasion.

Such is the aspect of ground warfare.

>>591170760
lol wannabe.
For a start SEALs do not have operational control over "spies" they are merely operators so you proved you are a fake just in that small sentence.
Plus NO navy SEAL has 300 kills since Vietnam otherwise you would have been added to the wall. But your not. the statment of " your ip is being traced" you mean pinged right? that anyone can do with google. Plus MAKE UP YOUR MIND! ARE YOU A NAVY SEAL OR MARINE YOU STUPID LIMP DICKED RETARD!

If you are for real and everyone knows your full of Shit I GIVE YOU 7 DAYS TO COME HERE TO THIS ADDRESS. IF YOU DONT YOUR FULL OF SHIT! Plus learn to mask your IP address or use a proxy you stupid ape

>>591173466
Wouldn't have to draft me, I would kill those ugly fucking commie pinko faggots with glee.

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>>591167892
China relies on America's food we are the number 1 producer if grains in the world also we have the strongest cyber warfare unit in the world so gg

>>591172465
is 4 not more than 1 or something?

germany built the most advanced tanks, but they couldn't keep up with the amount the allies produced.

>>591173589
Welcome to 4chan! Enjoy your stay.

>>591167237
basically a stalemate. China lacks the airforce and navy to really leave their mainland, and they are locked in my many geographic borders. However it would be incredibly expensive and difficult to hold any land in china. They have overwhelming numbers which is one of the biggest factors in a land battle.

>>591173468
>China is nothing without American dollars.


They are mutually dependent. China needs Americans to consume, and Americans require those cheap prices to maintain consumption levels.


A war between them would we result in an economic disaster.

>>591173589
First time here hu?

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>>591168313
>>591167892
/Threade
>>591167671
>>591167353
>>591168054
Mfw

>>591174083
i don't think so, this would only make europe and the rest of asia stronger

>>591173339
face it you're just mad because we have superior geography. Its OK to be mad.

>>591170399
Do you forget the Chinese also lost to Vietnam?

>>591167237
China wins in numbers... obviously.

But the USA is 2 generations ahead in war technology.

Means either the US wins or they both nuke each other wich leads to 2 defeated countrys

>>591168549
Agreed

/thread

>>591173850
>>591174234
Wow you guys are really that stupid huh

I feel like most people on here would want china to win, however especially with them attacking the us they would lose

>>591174637
This thread just got interesting

>>591172231
you have a good point a war of survival would mean guerrilla warfare as the french did in WW2.

>>591174346
>i don't think so, this would only make europe and the rest of asia stronger


A slack in US demand would negatively affect both Europe and the rest of Asia.


>>591174397
>face it you're just mad because we have superior geography.

Eh, anybody can do what America does with the same resources. Its not that hard.

>>591168549
Newfag here, is every Tuesday Muslim hate day ?

>>591167237
Nobody would "win" OP.
The US's economy went into the toilet with two faggot wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

A "real" war would fuck the whole hemisphere.

>muh paper tiger
Half of their population are subsistence farmers and the other half subsistence laborers.

China is also historically fucking GOD AWFUL militarily.

And lets not forget that America owns the oceans. Whoever owns the oceans owns the world.

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There's almost no scenario here where the PRC comes out on top. Because of the 7th fleet our response capabilities would be devastating. American cyber warfare and logistics is simply unbeatable considering the resources we have at our disposal. Trying to match america in a war would break the PRC's back and they'd have uprisings within months.

>>591175086
every day is muslim hate day faggot

>>591173462
china can't even beat pacifist monks in tibet. argument invalid

>>591172739
Nothing's out of range of the American Navy

>>591175003
>Eh, anybody can do what America does with the same resources. Its not that hard.
OK so then why didn't your country have this land. People gtfo of Europe to come here dispite the long voyage and took it from the native Americans. They worked for the land.

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>>591177437
>OK so then why didn't your country have this land. People gtfo of Europe to come here dispite the long voyage and took it from the native Americans. They worked for the land.


Uh, ok? I'm just saying, its not surprising America comes out on top of the world when its surrounded by huge oceans, and has outstandingly valuable geology.

>>591175928
keep telling yourself that

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Why are non-Americans so butthurt and deluded?

You should be happy we run this world and not some shitstain like Russia or China.

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>>591167237
China is a more powerful country economically and in size and will power, soz amerifags its true if you weigh up the realistic options

>>591179408
this pic is cringe

Torture, spying, illegal wars, crippling sanctions, secret arms trading with 'freedom fighters and Jihadists, Hollywood propaganda...and a puppet media to turn a blind eye.

Where did it all go wrong for the 'Land of the Free..?


good job on running the world the list could go on

>>591180529
so we'll hate them

>>591172933
And in WW2, we were behind in technology when the war started, that's not the case here.

When we went after Iraq, Iraq wen't from the 4th largest army in the world to the 2nd largest army in Iraq in 72 hours. When it was over the "big numbers" guys lost 100,000 guys killed/injured compared to about a thousand of the high tech guys.

>>591181528
that war worked out well didnt it the second you guys leave the devil is reincarnated

>>591167237
the world

>>591181489
>amerifat can't take facts

Also that pic is really cringe-worthy

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>>591170570
>>591170570
>>591170570
this

>>591182155
agreed

China lacks a logistical infrastructure to support fighting a foreign war. They barely have the infrastructure to fight a domestic one.

>>591167237
Im reading all of these replies and not one is an actual claculated answer that just lays down facts.
China has the largest population in the world, largest economy, and largest military. The united states has the largest GDP, the most advanced/powerful weapons on the face of the earth, and a literally manufactured infrastructure meant for home front battles(Highways made for landing planes on). If china is the aggressor than they will no doubt lose on American Soil, if USA is aggressor they would no doubt lose on Chinese soil. They are literally equal.

>>591182204
what's that from?

>>591172642
With the amount of money that is owed to china by the US, if the US chose to default as a result of "war were declared" the global economy would choose the victor based on who got fucked by not repaying loans.

>China fighting USA

They would both lose you moron. China doesn't have the fighting power to completely defeat the US 100%, and in fighting them the US would take a massive hit to the economy and eventually all its citizens would starve or move elsewhere. You failed

>>591182767
china basically builds skycrapers everyday cities are made within years

>>591182767
:)))))))

>>591179408
they would be heroes, if they could get their shit together.
>>591180529
^this

>>591167237
>launching a missile just to have it nosedive and skim along the surface of the water

that might be the most retarded picture I've ever seen on the internet

>>591167237
Daily reminder that darpas goal is to keep the US armed forces at least 10 years ahead (technologically)of any other millitary.
Also
>every American knows how to use a ar15
>chinks can only make iPhones

>>591182155
because they can take it

china,because its not a nation vs nation warfare
it's a nation vs civilisation warfare
95% of the chinese are han chinese and believe they are direct descendants of yan huang(flame emperor), chinese will not change their life style depend on where they live, they will change surroundings into chinese, just look at san fransicso,vancouvour and melbourne,they even have road signs in chinese.
you can wipe the "china" nation out of the face of the planet but chinese people will always rebuild another china,its the sense of "chinesism" that america is fighting against and no civilisation has managed to purge chinses in the past few thousand years.

>TL;DR china,because no mater how many time you destroy the nation "china", the chinese will always rebuild another

>>591184848
>>every American knows how to use a ar15
i highly doubt this and how fucking had is it to learn also warfare isnt just about having the coolest guns american obesity isnt winning any wars any time soon

>>591185434
Really? Most of the Chinese guys I've meet are far more western

>>591185700
yes you might argue that, those second generation chinese will assimilate into the society of the host nation,but lets not forget that they also embrace their chinese heritage and root, they do realise that they are han chinese afterall

>>591185434
>reaching this hard

>>591168054
Numbers didn't protect them from the Japanese.
Numbers didn't protect the Soviets from the Germans.
As the world stands, the US would likely crush anyone in 1v1 conventional warfare, it would be horribly lopsided.
This may likely change in the decades to come.
Ideally we will find a path to real peace and an end to war...

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>>591184833
this is exactly how it works. most modern ships have good anti-rocket systems equipped. seaskimming is the only remaining way to avoid getting shredded by radar-aimed high precision miniguns.

>>591180529
We are the United States of America. Might makes right and the same rules that apply for you lesser nations do not apply to us.

>>591167237
No holds barred- USA wins
Everything but nukes- USA wins
Ground forces only- China wins but loses 4x as many people

>>591186907
you are one dense motherfucker cant you think for yourself oh wait you am ignorant american wake up fatty

>>591185434
on the other hand,us is a big diverse country hence hard to control,us lacks the cohesion, vietnam war would be a good example,us didnt lose to vietnam,it lost to itself.
races would be a big factor too, china would just send in some spies and intensify the racial tensions between different ethnicity groups and it will eventually lead to a racial civil war in america

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>>591170878
Ayy lmao

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>>591170317
>>591170606

you guys could have just done some basic math:

1,400,000,000 / 500,000 = 2800

330,000,000 / 70,000 = 4714.29

Therefor, ,Murica' wins.

>>591184848
and thats exactly why its dangerous, china would just send in some white looking spies to start a riot and you burger rapists neckbeard would start shooting each other with your glorious AR15 in the name of "patriotism "

>>591173589
Cant tell if this is bait, if it isnt topkek

>>591187327
>you am ignorant

>>591173692
And water

China would just cut all exports and loans to the US some months before invading and use the money to build a proper sea fleet while the US goes down the drain.
Then they just go ham with infinitely superior manpower.
US would only stand a chance if their economy would notbe so dependent on china.

>>591189289
>use the money to build a proper sea fleet
Which the 7th fleet will promptly send to the bottom of the Pacific, that is if we don't hit the shipyards.

>>591189289
>implying we're dependent on China
>implying it's not the reverse
Chinks can't even feed themselves.

>>591189463
This aint oldschool command and conquer games buddy.
You imply that the US would send their warships into an assault against china instead of stationing the ships defensively along their coasts.

>>591189289
americans are still bragging how many aircraft carriers they have,but the truth is, if china really wanted to invade us,they could produce 40 aircraft carriers in a month,the manufacturing power of china is just invincible

>>591189864
But everything they make is shit

>>591190007
as long as it works, it doesnt matter
if it takes 10 chinese carriers to take down 1 american carrier, china still wins
quantity itself is quality

>>591189842
>along the coast
Nigger, just how fucking retarded are you when it comes to US naval doctrine?

>>591189864
Nah, the truth is that they are struggling with their single aircraft carrier that is nothing more than a rusting cold war relic bought from Ukraine.

The aircrafts they plan to launch from it are just SU-33 clones.

>>591190261
Where the fuck is China going to get 100 small Nuclear Powered Aircraft Carriers Dumbass.
It takes years to build Aircraft Carriers, and they dont even have 1 of their own finished yet.

>>591190261
>implying they could afford it
>implying the US will sit back and allow them to build a stronger navy
>implying that our fleets would lose to their under powered floating targets

>>591190261
This.
When germany got atacked the tiger tank was vastly superior to any other tank at the time.
They still just got zerged by a bunch of shermans each.
They would just surround it and take one or two losses in the process but they would either get lucky and destroy the tiger or make it run out of fuel.

>>591191004
A modern aircraft carrier isn't a fucking WW2 era tank, this doesnt apply faggot

>>591190989
You dont fight aircraft carriers with aircraft carriers.
You use sub marines.
Bloody hell you americans really know your warfare strats lol

It's imposible to invade the U.S. hands downs

>>591190849
>Nah, the truth is that they are struggling with their single aircraft carrier that is nothing more than a rusting cold war relic bought from Ukraine.
>The aircrafts they plan to launch from it are just SU-33 clones.

check the news mate, us government has allowed chinese engineers to see the production of american carriers,dont you think they have learned a thing or two from the us?

>>591189864
.... A month.... If they need a month to get their war machine rolling, US tactical strikes would have the head of the Chinese snake off in 12 hours. That's the problem. US just waltzes in with the most advanced aircraft and carriers in the world, blows up every production center in China capable of producing something useful to the war effort. Problem solved.
US, only nation with sufficient force projection at the ready.

>>591167237
Define: Conventional War. Let's assume no utilization of WMDs, since that kind of kills the war boner.

If we invade China, China wins because of greater access to resources and recruitment from populace.

If China invades USA, USA wins because of greater access to resources and recruitment of populace.

If China and USA fight over a specific territory, China will probably win, but it would be a Pyrrhic victory. China would expend enormous resources for the victory, and the USA would probably just say that the cost of continued conflict would be greater than the profit gained from victory.

>>591191389
wut

http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-troubled-air-craft-carriers-2014-10

>>591183607
That sounds safe and sound

>>591167237
First off I don't think China would ever be the aggressor because America kinda owes them trillions of dollars that they don't wanna lose, but in the even that they did, America would win. Sure our economy would go to shit and the war most definitely would be fought in America and in the Pacific, but in a conflict of that size it wouldn't be just China and America, it would involve many more countries, most of which would be on America's side (At least the ones that could actually have any sort of affect on the war at all).

In all likelihood it wouldn't just be America vs. China, it would be America, most of Europe, parts of South America, Canada, Australia, Israel and bits of East Asia vs. China, parts of the middle east, North Korea, maybe Russia if the stars align correctly, and (pfft) some Africans probably too. While China is a huge economic super power, it's obvious when you look at it from a global perspective which side is stronger, even with America's economy crippled.

Of course, none of this means anything because China won't attack the US because they don't need to, nor do they really want to.

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>>591170898
>Hop-Sing

Top lel.

>>591167237
In a war between the USA and China, Europe would win ^^

>>591167237
Without limits?
Whoever could get to their red button first

>>591173589
Newfag is new

>>591191875
your eyesight is a bit too narrow mate, if wont be long until china figures out how to build a functional carrier and it wont be hard for china to mass produce it either,believe it or not
the day china builds a functional carrier,there will be 10 others built the very next day, thats the manufacturing power china has

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No, you're ALL wrong, MY dick is the biggest!

I'm going to say America just because it's a stupid country with no boundaries when it comes to war. After blowing up half a country they'll say "gg no re" then keep living their egotistical lives.

It's like playing a fighting game and no matter who the player uses he wins by the tiniest amount of HP. Each and every single fucking time.

>>591167237

Most of you people are idiots. in a conventional war between china and the US. the US have 10 aircraft carriers, many air bases in the surrounding area (japan, korea, guam, afghanistan, etc), all of which allow the us, through aircraft and ballistic missiles to pound the major chinese cities. Whereas the Chinese have exactly no airbases near the US, have only one aircraft carrier, and their only ballistic missiles capable of reaching the US are their ICBM's. Thus the US has the ability to hit China, whereas China does not have the ability to hit the US.

Thus it is simply a matter of time before the US shit houses the chinese economy, think what isreal did to lebanon, only on a far vaster scale. Does this destroy china, no; however, it will remove china as a regional power for decades.

TL:DR China messes up some US military equipment, US messes up chinese military, economy, and cities. US "wins"

>>591172642
This is under the implication that the U.S is the aggressor, but it specifically says China is the aggressor. That literally eliminates all debt owed to China, and the credit wouldn't be a problem, as America would not be the one refusing trade

Conventional meaning no nukes? Study the Korean war, the ending that is. 1.3 billion people in China, they would just send wave after wave of people until the US suffocated under the dead.

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>>591191211

Ein modernen Panzer ist nicht einen ficken WW1 era pferd! Das nicht apply noobfaget!

Some of you guys hate the US so much that you hope for China to prevail even at the detriment of your own country.

Thankfully for both you and I they don't have a snowball's chance in hell.

>>591192415
They didn't even build the majority of that carrier you goober, it's not even nuclear powered and they STILL can't get it to function.

>>591191808
If they fought over a specific territory it matters immensely where that territory is.

The US navy completely and utterly destroys the Chinese navy in all scenarios. If China is the aggressor, it's unlikely they'll have international support, therefore any territory outside of China would likely not allow passage (at least without notifying the US). So maybe like N. Korea or something close by, but certainly nothing >1000 miles from their border.

I don't see a scenario where China wins a territory or US invasion. The US invading China just wouldn't happen, we'd resort to nuclear weapons before we'd resort to that.

>>591192415
>we china!
>we have 10000 aircraft carriers
>and no aircrafts

>>591173690
>>591173576
The U.S is massive as well, though not quite as massive. With the combination of heavy civilian resistance, as well as the organization of organized military resistance, I doubt it would be possible to do.

>>591192985

dude Im not sure you noticed this, but in order for China to send waves and waves of troops at the US, they need to cross this little thing called the pacific ocean. Unfortunately for them, they lack a sufficient navy to safeguard a single trip across the ocean, much less a constant flow.

Long story short we bomb them, they try to shoot down our bombers, nothing more than that.

>>591192985
How exactly would they send them when the US rules the seas and they have absolutely ZERO power projection capabilities?

>bu-but muh zerg rush

>>591173589
Welcome friend, would you like a tour? I can see you don't know your way around

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>>591192847
>talks about all the US bases near china
>neglects to state the fact they would be china's 1st targets

>>591171091
>implying other countries wouldn't profit off providing us with cheap goods
>implying the US isn't capable of manufacturing all the goods they need

The US is a sleeping giant. If it was profitable, we could be making all of our goods within a month.

>>591193459

China does not have nearly an equivalent element of force projection. They have an assload of neighboring land masses and lack the navy to stop us from staging troops in europe and the middle east via the atlantic. Meanwhile, we do have the entirety of 4th fleet to keep them from successfully staging in SA via the atlantic, 5th to keep them from ever passing the indian, 7th and 3rd to stop them at the pacific...

They'd never leave the mainland.

>>591193634

actually seems you missed the TL:DR. Also you seem to assume that China has the capability to destroy all of these positions. Possible in a long war, but in the mean time they lose their cities, and infrastructure.

>>591189525
I'ma have to slightly agree. America is reliant on China for day to day lifestyle choices, which is important for population moral. However, considering how Americans works, they'll just get pissed at China rather than get upset with the government for China doing shit. "DAYUM CHINESE TAKIN MUH FREEDOMBURGERS" However, with or without the US the Chinese can feed their people, they just don't. The money is invested in the military and the government to keep the starving in line.

>>591189289
LOL the U.S is so dependent on China because it's cheaper dumbass, not because we need them. They produce cheap shit at cheap costs for America because the U.S wants to spend billions making its military supreme, which is why we would easily sweep in with our unmanned bombers and fuck them in the ass as their chink children scream from the might of the United States military.

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>>591170570
This

/thread

>>591194200
>China has the capability to destroy all of these position
it's not that hard, even for china

>>591192656
>oh gee im going to post bullshit opinions that have no backing on the internet and expect nothing to happen to me
The bad views of our country can be pinpointed at one single asshole named George Bush, and even still, to say we have no boundaries is retarded. before you say
>no boundaries, look at vietnam trolltrolltroll
We pulled our troops out at the request of our citizens
>you napalmed everyone
Jungles asswipe, Vietcong engaged in guerrilla warfare, meaning ambushes, so to prevent even more casulties, we found possible locations were they were camped and blew it up.
>oh ok but you're the only country to use nuclear bomb
To prevent hundreds of thousands of needless deaths on both sides of the war, though it wasn't exactly humane, it was better than carpet bombing every square inch of the country.

If i got off track, im just trying to invalidate assholes who say the same thing over and over

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I think Euros and whoever else is claiming that the Chinese would win have absolutely no idea how shitty every other country's military in this world is compared to ours.

After Russia fell, we're the only superpower left. It'd be like if there were only one supercar in this world, say a Ferrari FXX and people argued "yeah but duh honda civic SI is duh 2nd fastest car, it won't be too long til honda catches up".

It's embarrassing, y'all need to wake the fuck up, for real.

The US has had three major encounters with the Chinese; summer of 1900 (the US invaded), WWII (US and China allies), and the Korean war (China kept US out of North Korea). Study what has happened to know why the US is now buddies with China.

>>591194574

haha, good to know its easy to sink okinawa, south korea, guam, afghanistan, etc.

If the OP was nuclear war then you'd be right. With conventional weapons, destroying all of these bases is a multi year endeavor, much the same as destroying china's infrastructure.

>>591168065
I have one made in the U.S.

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>>591194916
>US is now buddies with China.

>>591195138
>multi year endeavor
you sure are retarded and/or stuck in 1941

>>591170399
The US army beat the Vietnamese army left and right, the war was a political one, and the poor Vietnamese farmers and citizens liked the communist party. They thought it would up their social status, when it failed.
Democracy lost to communist, not the army.

>>591191004
one does not simply surround a US fleet

>>591191296
Carriers have enough fire power to fend off an attack, but you are right in a way. Cruisers have most of the fire power in the fleet. not to mention a carrier is the fastest ship in the fleet so if in danger it can outrun anything on the water

>>591195536

lol!

Please enlighten me as to what weapons, non-nuclear, that china has in sufficient quantity so that it can quickly destroy all of the aforementioned bases, along with 10 aircraft carrier groups.

With nukes this proposition is trivial, without them it is effectively impossible.

The Chinese economy needs the US more than we need china. China's exports will drop exponentially If the us stops buying/outsourcing to them.
Also the US will win if China invaded.

>>591195536
You seem to be stuck in your room.
Why don't you utilize your computer and have a look at how big this world actually is.
China for example is a pretty big country.
So yeah, it would take quite some time to destroy all of chinas infrastructure.

But keep dreaming buddy, maybe the day will come that some nerd can just press one button and launch enough drones, aircrafts, missiles or whatever else floats your boats to destroy a targets scattered across a landmass the size of china in less that a year.
Protip: This nerd who presses the button will be some chink hacker.

>>591196027
Well the carrier fleets also always have at least one anti-submarine submarine and many anti-submarine aircraft. Also logistical and EWAR ships that have early detection capabilities against surface and subsurface vessels as well as missiles and aircraft.

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>>591196171
>wants me to teach a 101 class on modern chinese military because he is too lazy/stupid to take 5 minutes and do the research himself
no thanks, teaching lazy americans isnt on my schedule for today, or ever. I will however continue to laugh at your retardedness, so please continue!

>>591173409
>/threading your own post
How fucking new are you?

>>591168375
Dec 7th 1941. Google it mother fucker

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>>591167237
I actually did a masters paper on this topic.

TLDR: If China successfully knocks the US out of the first and maybe second island chains in a short fast action, combined with political pressure (like the Russians pushing Poland), China gains Taiwan and becomes power in Asia.

If war goes on for a long time and US lacks distraction. China loses, mostly because it cant win a straight fight with the USN away from its shores.

>>591197352
hawaii wasnt an actual part of the US until 1959, dipfuck.

>>591196837

yep, you know you're wrong. It is always funny to watch people result to saying it is a simple google search when they know they are wrong.

Back on topic chinese DF-21D's exist, but have no effective kill chain. Add this to the fact that their are <100 of these missles in existence, I stand by my statement that China lacks the capability to destroy all us bases in the area, and carrier groups, in a short time frame.

Assuming nearby allies, US.

There aren't many powerful military countries that would sacrifice themselves to fight for China. US has Japan, who never seem to get tired of killing Chinese people and has been pushing for greater military independance, and Gorea, one of the most pro-american countries on earth and one that is in a constant state of military readiness. US Ground Forces have far superior tech and better training, along with much better and more vehicles. The US also has a far superior Airforce and Navy, and better logistics. Chinese aircraft launching to bomb US infrastructure will have to cross an ocean and waves of advanced interceptors and missile defense systems to reach their targets. The US has airbases on several islands near China and the defensive countermeasures to overcome Chinese air defenses. In addition, Aircraft carriers and their carrier task forces also have the resources necessary for land invasions at strategic points.

On the other hand, China has sheer numbers. With reserve and paramilitary personnel, they have a 2:1 numerical advantage against US forces and with North Korea, the 4th largest military in the world, that number increases. Their production capacity exceeds that of the US, although their tech isn't as good.

>>591175086>>591173589
This

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>>591198060
>that their are
>their
i rest my case. stay in school, kiddo.

>>591170980

There are enough guns in fucking Montana and Texas alone to arm every able bodied man in the US.

>>591198593
>small grammatical error any human being in any country could have made
>dum americuntz kekekek, yur point is stoopid naow

>>591198084
>Their production capacity exceeds that of the US
Right up until we tool up for war like we did for WWII. Shit, we had IBM and international harvester making rifles for us and Ford and GM making tanks.

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>>591199023
maybe if you weren't blinded by all your madbutthurt you could type better.

>>591198593

haha, again attempting to attack everything around the statements, but ignoring the truth behind them. Not once have you mentioned anything specific about what weapons and or how china could destory all the US bases quickly.

Hence you are a shill. For lols, china, russia, it does not matter. You are wrong, and I suggest you take a look at /k/ before continuing your work as a shill. It will help you improve...

>>591192938
US'd run out of electronics; they can't make it themselves anymore.

>>591199317
Wasnt even me who typed that, just commenting on how retarded you are, he had a valid point, so instead of "educating us dumb Americans", you point small irrelevant points

>>591199327
>/k/
we're talking about china, not having sex with your retarded obese cousin while stroking your dad's shotgun and drinking natty ice.

>>591199746
*point out
Pardon my retardness sire

>>591199634
>implying we don't have Korea to make them for us

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>>591167237
Are you really trying to compare the military strength of a nation that within recent memory has just entered into an industrial revolution, integrated jet technology into a makeshift air force, and achieved spaceflight off of the success of others?

Numbers mean nothing if you can't stop an orbital strike.

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>>591199746
>it.. it wasn't even me!!
cool story, go cry to your nigger president

>>591199897
so talk about china then retard, that is literally the first time you have said the word china

>>591200405
you clearly havent read anything ive posted then

>>591196229
>China's exports will drop exponentially If the us stops buying/outsourcing to them.

China will have to consume it instead. Oh noez!

>>591200662
ok, lets see what you've posted then
>>591200375
>>591199897
>>591199317
>>591198593
>>591196837
you mean these things?

>>591199190
Then: 90% Non-Hispanic White
Now: 63% Non-hispanic White

You can't tool up what isn't there.

>>591200247
conventional war, faglord
no nukes

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>>591201186
why you so mad? is the realization that america is a dying relic too upsetting for you? it's ok, it happens, life will go on.

>>591201442
I don't think you know what tool up means.

>>591200138
Point taken:
US has electronics production capability of South Korea
China has electronics production capability of China

>>591167237
USA because submarines and carriers. End of story.

>>591171265
Civil engineer here,

USA would mop the chinks. Chinese economy is nothing but a temporary phenomenon allowed by American expansionist policy. You can compare it to Japan in the 80s. We were all concerned but it didn't last long. Anyways neither countries would even think of attacking since there is too much vested economic interest on both sides. US has much better tech and chiner is copycat nation.

>>591200247
China's going to Mars
US's going nowhere

No more German rocket scientists

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not falling for this shit anymore, provide a point or keep baiting>>591201660

>>591201749
I left out a word: Detroit

>>591201457
Who said anything about Nukes?
>>591202176
Mars huh? You think they will put the Chinese flag right next to the US flag.

>>591202247
i did prove my point and kids just wanted me to teach them everything about modern china like i was their 4th grade teacher because they didnt understand it.

>>591171541
And Canada foke

Now, the US with very little contest because we dominate air and sea. They have more ground forces but no way to use them; their troop transports could barely make Tiawan before being sunk.
10 years from now maybe...
20 years from now it depends, if they fix their air and water pollution problems and continue to improve quality of life the US won't stand a chance. If they don't then all of their top scientists and engineers will live in the US or Canada and they will have gone back to agriculture by hand primitivist communism.

>>591171603
Amen top kek

>>591203073
Shit, maybe even Russia. China is their biggest threat in the region, I don't think they'd miss out on the chance of splitting some territory in their own backyard.

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>>591173589
please don't be b8

>>591171863
Ignant

>>591167237
Those fucken chinks would be wiped out quickly. Lets not forget that the Chinese military, while large, is largely using outdated tech. The US would win on all fronts. By land, air and sea.

Regardless, only a dumbass would think the two nations would ever go to war. The rely on each other too much to ever fight.

A conventional war? I'd bet everything I have on the US.

>>591202176
No more german rocket scientists, but we're elbows deep in Chinese rocket scientists(and etc...) Now that's going to be some nice irony.

>>591202176
>us going nowhere
>literally just launched new space vehicle named Orion
and uh.. i think... THE UNITED STATES has currently has made just about every space faring object in history, a very large amount have gone to other planets.

oh and we put men on the moon
more than a few times
like alot of times

>>591167237
is this a joke? China's army is really shitty. Their tech is just outdated copies of Americas.
inb4 amerifat (not american0

>>591173339
This.

At first youre like "A war without limits"

But then you "Conventional war"

>>591203343
>maybe even Russia.
Russia is a part of Europe my fellow anon. Plus, they always hated Chinese communism.

>>591203637
And they'll go to camps if war with China. Or home.

>>591203676
you understand Russia is better at space than the US. Runs the current space station, launches all US astronauts since the last US shuttle explosion, has had dozens of space stations. Like I get sad sometimes. Sad people like you are out there. Making stupid.

>>591202829
>lol i could teach so much bout china
>but i dont wanna cause your all dumb
>but watch out cause i might someday

>>591204332
>but watch out cause i might someday
no, i never will. where did you get that delusion?

>>591173462
Slants are weaker than sandees

>>5912042037
>Who's footprints is on the moon?
>Who has had constant innovations in space faring vehicles
>who has launched robots to mars, on constant occasions
>who has put satellites around most planets i he solar system?
>who has a space faring vehicle about to leave the solar system?

U.s.

>>591170317
Haha. Cus theres like millions more students idiot. Plus China's schools are shit

>meanwhile OP is laughing his ass off at everyone going "muh liberty" or "muh numbers and economy"

>>591190985
Takes years to develop policies and procedures on how to operate them as well

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>>591173589

>>591205443
>about to leave the solar system
Where have you been for the last 40 years? Voyager 1 already did that.

>>591167237

All the US would need to do is hook them on opium like the British did. Would be easy to beat a bunch of nodding slants.

>>591171171
Anime is Japanese lmao

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I feel a storm coming in the future......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rElV_w_DPQ

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>>591197631
I'm curious good sir, is there a place I can read (what I presume to be an identity redacted) copy of your thesis?

>>591206365
That was what i was implying, it technically hasn't left yet, it is still technically here, though it has passed our planets

Okay guys if the us wanted to beat china we could do it without having to fire a fucking shot. We put out a law prohibiting any goods to be manufactured in China, and that if any country does business with China we will completely cut ties with them as well. No country would side with them. The US is the biggest market in the world and most countries are heavily influenced by American goods (try to say your not on your apple/pc computer, on an American website, drinking American coke and eating American oreos). The factories can be moved to other third world shit holes like India or Pakistan. It would create huge unemployment, and if the government tried to employ those people it would run up such a huge debt that it would crash like the USSR in the 90s or go back to the stone age (I think the Chinese refer to it as the 1950s). Moreover, the Chinese want American/western goods and they would demand the government step down if they weren't getting it (imagine if all our computers and movies were taken away immediatley because of political bs, we'd be just as pissed).


Now just to humor every one if the US did have a major invasion it would be horribly grusome (I saw the US because china can't get over the pacific, that's just a fact). China would with out a doubt suffer more loses just like they did in Korea, but it would probably end (relatively) soon either because the government was obliterated (tomahawk missiles to every parliament members house) or the American public would just get tired of the killing the way we did in Vietnam and the army would take a much more defensive position and slowly retreat

>>591207088

/thread

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>>591206881

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>>591207441
well shit, i am bested

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>>591207088

This. China is basically our manufacturing slaves. We allow them to hold some debt(less than 9% of US debt) so they feel like they are important and have some power. The truth is that we could cut them off whenever we want. We have enough cheap dollar store shit stockpiled until we re-tool some of our factories to start making that shit here. We just recently neutered Russia by dropping oil prices. The truth is the US rules the world.

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>>591206781
Please? I'm curious

>>591167237
China would be the ones who killed the most people in the war for sure.
Pro tip: because they'll end up killing their own people (AGAIN).

>>591208037
kek, nicely put anon.
>>591208108
>2:23:35
TLDW

>>591173589

omg this HAS to be the new pasta guys. Saving for future keks

>>591207088
>The factories can be moved to other third world shit holes like India or Pakistan.

What makes you think those factories are US-owned? They're not. Chinese own them.