ask a fag who works high level administration at a top 50 university anything.
Secrets will be revealed.
Know what really happens to your application at admissions.
Want to know what really happens to your tuition?
No I won't tell you which one which in this case is fine because truthfully, at this level they're all the same. Which really blows.
Maybe I'll wet your whistle. All of your personal information is handled by people who never went to college and everything is always about a hairs bredth away from complete disaster. Not a joke.
Is it spent on logical university things or do they actually waste shit tons of money? I can never figure out how my school is struggling so much with how much we pay out our asses
I'll start it off. Anything in your tuition package that is labeled as any type of "fee" like for example a "technology fee" or whatever, is a complete joke and just another way to get more money from you. It's basically just a line item that is not used for the thing to which it is labeled. It's used for T and E and other such nonsense.
waste shit tons of money. and I mean SHIT tons. The things I've seen the upper admins do, c level types for reference, with your money would start riots in most third word countries
interestingly enough athletics is separate from academics so they do what they want with the money they make. but if its a good school athletic team hey rake in a ton of cash for he school so they can get away with anything. and I mean anything.
yeah not in the states. People probably already know this but I can confirm that the reason why tuition in the states is so high and ever increasing is because uni's can get more and more money from federally guaranteed loans to students. they increase the amount that they can receive every year hence the jump. it has nothing to do with operational costs etc.
when taking tours of a uni, dont listen to the tour guide. they are full of shit. you will never be taught by a real professor. you will be taught by adjuncts and TA'a you're entire academic career.
i think that really sucks, here tuition fees are as high as £9,000 but you can get a loan and not have to pay it back unless you're earning a decent amount, and then they only take like a few quid a week.
higher education should be free but its not and that's why there is so many dumb people in the world.
how does admission actually look like in the US? do you fill out forms or what?
places that tell you they do not discriminate based on amount donated to the school from your family or a heritage admission are lying to your face. it may be true that there is nothing on the application that asks this but in the admin office of the top schools there is always an addition that goes into your application that describes your lineage and any amount of money your family has donated to school to take your admission into consideration.
i wish that were true. To be honest higher ed is a joke unless you go into the hard stuff and at teh right school: engineering at Penn State for example is a good choice but you will be a cube worker your whole life. Foriegn Service at Georgetown is a good choice for example and will get you farther than an engineer at Penn State
ouch that really sucks, they always told us that admission is done by professionals who analyse each one as a group and come to a decision.
i guess the better the school the better the admission? like they check it better and are more serious about it.
if you plan on majoring on anything other than STEM for example philosophy, english, cultural studies or as i call them "barista preparedness majors", DO NOT go to uni. go to community college, save yourself a ton of money and reap the rewards. its just not worth it.
Mathematician here, do yourself a favor and study an applied science.
You can study all mathematics independently from excellent textbooks. Don't need to be at a university for any subject except for those that require laboratory education.
not in the least. Admissions at the top five are just as bad. Unless youre a minority with genius IQ and a hard worker, which they admit far and few between anyway, they simply follow the money. sad but true.
Yeah. All decent textbooks have their pdfs or djvus floating around. And then you compare the textbook to a uni course that uses it through a google search and do the problem sets the course suggests.
That kind of shit.
don't be fooled by all the "we pride ourselves on education and the future of fukitty fuck". The sad trutht is that every uni is a business and their one goal is to make as much money as possible.
now, another little secret about tuition is that the other reason why it costs so much is because thye are constantly hiring admin staff, such as myself, to constantly deal with the bullshit the feds make them do for the money. filling out forms, audits, conformity, etc. higher ed and the feds are strange befellows
do you earn a lot then? or the teachers /professors in general.
i think so because to me it seems that they do pay only for your education, you still need to get acceptable grades or they stop that, on top of that there are the living costs so to earn money for those you need a job. as far as i know most scholarships require community service or some sort of help in depending where the money is coming from.
Any idea on how it looks in EU?
I was considering going into STEM here in Poorland, i think it would be rather different, since you virtually dont pay any money for university education, other than books, some fees and whatnot, thoughts?
there are a few ways: the way i did it was never the way i intended my life to go. I started as a low level program manager as a stop gap til i found another job and they just kept giving me more money making it harder to walk away from. worked my way up
I wouldn't suggest it. The hours are long, and you are surrounded by socially awkward people all day. The best part of my job, other than a solid paycheck, was when I was banging a Sociology prof. She was an animal. I always regret not sleeping with students when I was a little younger. It's more common than you would think.
yup. there is also an indirect correlation between the size of the school you will be attending and the chances of getting a real professor. the bigger the school the smaller your chances
Yes it is. Real profs never teach university courses. You are just lead to believe that. Believe me, I have been working at one of the top universities in administration for years. It's a total sham. They just want your money.
sound simple enough
i don't really care about the people, surrounded by idiots and losers my whole life. would definitively bang some though. Not surprised that its common, people have nothing better to do.
I worked at the United States Naval Academy while I was TAD (temporary Assigned Duty) awaiting orders. Just recently graduated.
Then I was an XO (Executive Officer) of an Infantry Company in the Marine Corps. You are spot on.
I'm a postdoc in a research group at a research university and all professors in my group teach classes every semester. Even the spokesman for my group and is a special named chair teaches every semester.
DaneFag here! Free education for every citizen, and I get paid almost 500 dollars a month. Fucking love it!
I'm sure since if they aren't engaged in research what the hell else will they do. I've have plenty of classes taught by full professors in my academic career and I've attended large state public research institutions the whole time.
a few questions good sir
>on average how much time is spent reading an application
>what red flags are there in apps
>how often is demographic ie nigger, spic, sand monkey taken into account in an average college
hvorfor er du oppe så sent negerfaen?
Or get a business to invest in you. Dominion (Nuclear Power Stations). Gave me a full ride, payed for my books, dorm, lab fees, laptop, calculator, and any expense you can imagine.
On top of that they gave me $125 per week as spending money.
great question: listen up kiddos, the average amount of time spent on your application is anywhere from 10 - 30 mins depending on the school and the program. smaller programs give more attention to applicants and vice versa, your test scores are definitely used as a way to weed you out, that's the first defense. Red flags include poorly written essays, high income, and location. being a minority is a plus and plays very heavily into selection because minorities have a greater chance of getting guaranteed fed loans.
I'm fairly sure that that isn't true, at least where I'm from. I've only had one term in a UK university, and we've already had one professor lecturing us so far - remembering that the title of "professor" is a hell of a lot more exclusive in the UK than it is in the US. Hell, I have first-year friends who've had weekly two-on-one supervisions with the head of the physics department (so certainly a professor).
Either you're full of shit, or my education is much better than your university's.
Don't get me wrong though. I had to meet with the board of directors 3 times, and had 2 personal meetings with the dean.
After that I had to make a presentation on why I should receive the scholarship. Also it required a 4.1 gpa out of 4.3, in highschool.
And if you dropped below a 3.0 gpa for 2 semesters, you were kicked.
a high income would be anything above a yearly household income of ~$50,000. Location is a big deal as in the farther away you are the less likely you will be to attend. This is why they fly you in if you are a super candidate, they want to be sure that you will go to the school if they accept you most likley unless you shit perfect SAT scores and gold bars you're in for some work
I went to a smaller Div 2 state school in Pennsylvania and 99% of the profs were super intelligent top tier actual professors. The adjunts were just as good
Honestly, make phone calls, and make a portfolio. Email big companies that shit.
I had a personal mentor from age 13. He was no charge, just a really good hearted man. When he leaves 1 kid being successful, he goes onto another.
For example, the kid he helped before me got a full ride to Julliard, for music. And the kid after me is now an officer in the Navy as a pilot.
A lot of the time it's about who you know, even if they aren't wealthy, they are rich in knowledge.
Cambridge... so I guess not representative.
Agreed. I had 1 or 2 idiot profs, like really fucking stupid liberal types but for the most part my worthless degree piece of paper was cheap (about 12,000 per semester) and got to meet a lot of smart motherfuckas
What do you think of the future of higher education, is it declining, both in quality and quantity, or has it simple become too expensive/irrelevant for employment for a great deal of people?
I have this sneaking sensation that low literacy is a growing phenomenon over in the states.
Eksamen om 3 dager, har fortsatt 4-500 sider å lese om norsk politisk utvikling under kalmarunionen og frem til 1814, herrefaen så tørt det er.
Right now he is working for a DCI drum and bugle corps as the musical arranger, and I think he is composing for local highschool marching bands. I know that's not big bucks, but it's what he loves to do.......
GDP Per capita does not equal average salary.
Its just the GDP divided by the population. That money could all be in the hands of business entities, and thus a few people.
You have to look at wealth distribution to get a better picture. US has terrible distribution. Few earn a lot, most earn little.
>Eksamen om 3 dager, har fortsatt 4-500 sider å lese om norsk politisk utvikling under kalmarunionen og frem til 1814, herrefaen så tørt det er.
Hold da kæft, det er vildt! Jeg har tre bøger, der skal læse igennem. De alle er over 300 sider lange.
People don't make the same mistake I did and just get a degree in something you think sounds cool so you can enjoy your university years. It is a waste of time and money. Get TRAINED in something and research jobs that are in demand, not badly paid and have a high worker satisfaction rate. Don't just get a media degree and hope for the best. The real world is fucking tough when you're not trained to do anything.
excellent question. Higher ed and the US in general is starting to feel like France circa 1799. It's getting ungodly expensive for anyone to go except the super elite or those who do not mind being indentured servants. Honestly I dont think its worth it unless you are super passionate about your chosen field. Quality is sinking at a fast rate as it is traded for quantity, trying to squeeze as many students in as possible no matter the capacity. A bachelors degree is a joke in the US, might as well have a certificate from burger king for "best little burger soldier". The market is super saturated with bachelors degrees and as such they are more and more worthless. Graduate degrees on the other hand will exclude you from a lot of jobs for being "over qualified". its a fucked up system.
economics is hit or miss. you will either be very poor or very rich. but you must like starring at a screen for 12 hours a day writing reports that no one will read for things that do not exist. The market isnt that saturated with econs yet so I say go for it. You can always do a ton of other things with an econ degree anyway so it might be a win-win.
It is completely different to how OP describes his university. Fundamentally, the colleges don't really need to act like businesses, as the old ones at least are all swimming in excess money from property and investments they've just kept since medieval times.
I'd be very interested to see to what extent more standard UK universities accord with OP's descriptions. I'd guess that the fact they're a lot more intimately tied with the state and state regulation would reduce how much they operate like a business anyway, but I dunno.
>bachelors degree is a joke in the US
This is so true but dude, you have to have a degree. You just have to. It may be just a piece of worthless paper but it's an easy way for recruiters to sort through the stacks of resumes.
As for MBAs-- you're better off using your knowledge to work for smaller companies, as a consultant or start your own business
I'm 30 years old. Bachelors degree from small inexpensive state school.
I make $72 per hour.
You're changing the point though- as many /b/tards do.
Argument was: Denmark avg > US avg.
And I proved him wrong with facts. Theres no more to argue.
How is GDP per capita even relevant?
Distribution of wealth is what you are looking for.
The nice thing about average is that it doesn't account for the amazing divide between poor and rich in the states, in the nordic countries such a divide barely exists, and average people are a lot better off. Not to mention free health care, education and so on, which you'd need to deduct from your american "average".
Some of those things are very alien to me, uni here is free. But then again a bachelor is worth nothing, you need a master, often in several subjects to get a well paying job.
Studying history right now, and I am very glad that I don't live in the states, even though I'll need to study several "side-subjects" to even hope for a job.
>How is GDP per capita even relevant?
Easy for the undergrade Econ student. Higher avg wage = higher disposable income = higher GDP. Get it now kid?
>The nice thing about average...
stop altering the arguement. The arguement was who makes more on avgerage. The answer is the USA does. End of story
unfortunately it does.
Ever notice how Harvard, Yale and Stanford are
3. Most expensive
4. Highest earners
5. Attract top professers
6. Most popular
7. Everyone has heard of them
>stop altering the arguement. The arguement was who makes more on avgerage. The answer is the USA does. End of story
No one mentioned average before you did.
The guy who started this discussion said that danes earn 2-3 times as much as an american.
Now, they might not earn that much in pure moolah, but it's very clear that spending power in denmark is much higher than in the US, again, free health care and education "frees up" part of the wage which means more disposable income.
Problem with the US is that you've got 0.2% on the top evening out the 20% in poverty creating a very artificial and very misleading average. It'd be the same as equating the wealth of Moscow to the wealth of rural Russia. On the case of Denmark however, while you do have "poor" and "rich", even the poor would still be upper-middleclass in american terms.
The average dane is much better off than the average american. Unless, of course, we're talking about your inflated average that has no basis in reality.
so thats why i got fucked. dad was making 1.4m/year at the time i applied. had amazing grades/scores and everything but i still got into a mid-tier school, went to a really good hs too.
why do most schools insist on giving federal loans, grants, and scholarships to the absolute stupidest people?
I worked in the student loan industry for nearly 10 years and dealt with them on a daily basis.
u asian tho? that's a big disadvantage cause to get in as an asian you gotta be top 25% in their GPA/SAT or you're studying some random shit that doesn't get applicants.
also, you could have had your dad pledge to donate $100k to a top school... i mean unless his money is equity stake which you can't really cash out on.
The argument was Fame & Prestige =/= Academic Excellence
I said it does because in my opinion academic excellence will lead to higher rankings on:
3. Most expensive
4. Highest earners
5. Attract top professors
6. Most popular
7. Everyone has heard of them (reputation)
Going into 2013, starting salaries for investment banking positions with a bachelors degree (assistant or junior analyst position) should range from $100,000 to $150,000 after bonus. Most of the major banks in NYC are offering a starting salary of around $75,000 plus a $15,000 to $20,000 signing bonus.
150,000 is the average. Simple math will tell you in under 10 years you have the potential to be a millionaire if you invest right-- which unironically, most investment bankers do
For the third time. Where do you see prestige on it's own?
>3. Most expensive
>4. Highest earners
>5. Attract top professors
>6. Most popular
>7. Everyone has heard of them (reputation)
there are clawback agreements left & right,
you don't hit a certain margin...
you ONLY work 99 hours a week...
you misplaced a comma and the report...
your VP is using that to whittle your income to 80k tops + uncle sam takes half... also aderall and cocaine is expensive
nah %100 purebred masterace. He also told me that he could pull some strings and likely get me into Stanford, because hes knows a lot of people there and did a fair amount of research there. I declined because i didnt want it handed to me. but its kinda bullshit that i get fucked over because my dad makes a lot of money, shoulda taken the offer. but then again, i've become a lazy piece of shit and am now barely making it by in my mid tier school.
nope, because the only science A level I did was physics. Physics, Matsci, Maths B and Compsci - gonna go all physics next year. Taking Compsci was a mistake and a fucking half though.
What are you doing then? Bio-natsci?
well they do have an advantage, I was just at a disadvantage because of my dads financial status. It'd be good to come from a less well off family though, because then I'd know that theres not always someone there to catch me if I fuck up. Having that safety net makes it harder to care, because in reality I could drop out of school tomorrow and I'd still be perfectly fine for the rest of my life, I'd just be a NEET piece of shit. I try my best though, I always get offered ridiculous things from him and I turn them down %95 of the time to try and keep myself motivated.
This is true, I thought myself very, very high level physics and mathematics on my own. Heck I'm one of the world few mathematics mercenaries. The type who try to solve the unsolvable equations. Also a lot of the issues in pure science is the unsolvable equations and theories. They require gifted minds to solve. But I will argue you don't need a university of labs, because you can easily reproduce, or find the same equipment on the market.
You gotta work at some shit-tier university that none of the administration or admissions staff have degrees. I go to a pretty solidly mid-tier university (shit, maybe even low tier) and I know for a fact all the people working in admissions have degrees (a lot of them recently from the same school). Administration definitely have degrees. Most HR and program directors (deal with admissions most of the time) have masters or above.
What's the deal, daddio?
The US is 1/3 spic & nigger.
We're basically a 3rd world nation. Flooding our nation with millions of sub 85 IQ wogs has harmed
- academic achievement
- social programs
honestly, this question just popped into my head since i'm thinking of going back to school. i'm in my 30s and was wondering how many people in their late 20s to late 30s live in dorms? i'm not looking to (have my own place) but just genuine curiosity really
Tier 2 schools have Ivy league educated professors who are well known in their fields. They also love to speak all their students, current and former. From my experience the professors at top tier schools are fucking shit, because tehy don't know how to explain their own field of work. Which is a sign they do not understand what they're doing. I had professors who explain complex things into simple language for the class. Very rare to find professors like this in the U.S. Also please do not fall for the master degree trap. This is a marketing campaign to get students to take more loans. Unless you want to become a doctor, lawyer, or some professional title job, then a master is not needed. You'll learn on the job.
>very high level physics and mathematics on my own
>those who try to solve the unsolvable equations
you're a fucking idiot real geniuses prosper in an academic environment not because of a degree but because they have something useful to say. you studying shit "alone" even though you think of yourself as some untapped genius just means you're an autistic fuck
>top tier schools are fucking shit
There are a lot of great minds at the top tier level-- just seartch TED talks on Youtube. But the truth is they care little about their lectures or the student in most cases, i agree. The are all about the research money and writing their own books/ doing their own projects.
The smaller schools usually are their because of the charm of a smaller university town, the smaller classes, connection with students etc.
I couldn't understand, yee. Does yeee speak Engrish?
Its publish or perish mentally. Which everyone assume the top schools are excellent because they shit out a lot of research papers a year. I've read a lot of work from those schools. Most of them are just grantbait. This is what's destroying academia, the huge quantity of research papers in the literature of whatever field you pick.
Wired that money is important, idk. I tell my friends that if they were willing to double their hours they would make close to what I make.
I've seen just as many "good" people in the business as bad people.
Aka the good people don't breathe banking and talk about it all night at the bard.
Currently an analyst at an "elite boutique," signed for 70 salary, 13 signing bonus and year end bonus of about 80. We get paid slightly more than those at the banks you are most used to hearing about.
Probably want to leave banking for the buy side next year, otherwise I love finance so not for some time.
Big 10 university--tougher to get in than if you're coming from an Ivy but very doable if you try. Banks are begging people to join right now. Bumped their salaries up to 85 at a lot of places.
Yes and no. It's easier if you are from a target school, but I got into three banks we've never placed before through networking and interviewing well. Again, banks are begging people to join.
3.5 is pretty much the minimum. I know a guy who got in with a 3.3 but it was a lower tier shop. I had a 3.56, but otherwise great resume and interviewing skills which carried me.
Again if you try and really want it you can get it. Don't have to be a genius, just be willing to put in the hours.
Quick google search will come up with some articles.
tldr, there's been a massive boom in M&A and everyone is expanding classes, which means banks are competing more than ever. Standards drop, etc. A lot of the people at Ivy schools are deciding not to work 90 hr weeks and are jumping to tech companies. Caused banks to raise starting salaries, no work weekends, other things like that.
Probably a hiring boom for another 2 years then we'll see.
How bad are we all getting fucked by you people? I get the whole "it's not me, it's the system" bit, and I actually have money in an IRA so I understand that everyone's $$ is tied up with Wall street but seriously how fucked are we?
I see a lot of job posting from Fin analyst to investment banking, and they're having a hardtime because people want work-life balance. The senior leadership is now understanding they have to play ball with the younger generation in order to make money. I hollywood studios are in a massive hiring spree in their financial, marketing, and PR departments. Everyone wants to work in techbrovalley. I would work in defense, but people don't see the upside in defense companies.
Well, the problem is that Wall Street knows a lot...except when we're fucked.
I'm in an advisory role (valuing mergers, etc.) so we like to think we're your friend--the people causing the "this stock jumped 15% overnight" things.
Otherwise I think we in the US are actually doing pretty well. Starting to worry about the debt level a bit, but most economists would say we are well within if not below even slightly painful levels.
Our economy is doing great, also a bit worried about the fed stopping their bond buying which is propping up stock prices, but nothing to worry about. Stay the course, take some risks and keep at it.
Very true. People in my industry "realized" 100 hr weeks are not worth it, then the upper management watched as all the young talent they just spent so much money on left for greener pastures. Now I get the benefits.
Didnt know that about the studios though, interesting. Is it because entertainment is doing so well that they need more people on the ground?
Economy is doing well, because of the energy boom, but Saudi Arabia is determine to end the energy boom. The sandniggers are trying to put an end to the American and Russian oil markets. This is why the price of oil is more important today than it has been in hte past 30 years. Also you can work in banking or financial position at biotech companies or pharm. They're expanding greatly, and soon defense and mining companies will expand again.
Better work/life balance with management consulting. Pay is quite nice as well, with bonuses and all. I hope that damn 100% of salary, 200% with shareholder approval bonus law they have on the continent never makes its way here. I was never interested in being a banking dog honestly. And now now on the specifics....