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>>582776714 Rekt at pear harbour so decide to finally go help in Europe Then try to take credit for everything Nuke 2 cities of civilians Btfo in Vietnam Btfo in Iraq Btfo in Afghanistan Hated the world over even by supposed 'allies' Costs over half the US GDP while nation is trillions in debt.
>>582774595 I started vaguely liberal, but have developed into a democratic socialist. The more I looked around and saw how skewed everything is, the more I realized that there has to be some kind of equalizer...and a well-managed government is about the best equalizer one can hope for.
>>582777697 You do realize that being against illegal immigration isn't hating Mexicans right?
Oh and this:
"Name calling is a cognitive bias and a technique to promote propaganda. Propagandists use the name-calling technique to incite fears or arouse positive prejudices with the intent that invoked fear (based on fearmongering tactics) or trust will encourage those that read, see or hear propaganda to construct a negative opinion, in respect to the former, or a positive opinion, with respect to the latter, about a person, group, or set of beliefs or ideas that the propagandist would wish the recipients to believe. The method is intended to provoke conclusions and actions about a matter apart from an impartial examinations of the facts of the matter. When this tactic is used instead of an argument, name-calling is thus a substitute for rational, fact-based arguments against an idea or belief, based upon its own merits, and becomes an argumentum ad hominem."
go compare death rates between charlie and u.s. in the nam war and take into account the destroyed infrastructure that we left them with, i wouldn't exactly call that losing. and usa didn't lose iraq or afganistan, i don't understand how the hell you figure that. besides, wars are not fought for victory, they are fought for money, and when it comes to making money off of war, the USA is the undisputed champ
usa is only hated by trash like you, its ok though, employees will always talk trash about there bosses
you really want to know how succesful U.S. is? every nation in the world has a mcdonalds and america will never have to pay off the trillions in debt because the entire world relies on it.
learn loom at things objectively and maybe you will udnerstand the supremacy that usa holds over the world
help a hipster fag bit me on the bus >I never grew out of my liberal phase >keeps getting worse each passing day >suddenly get the urge to hump trees >also gets the urge to rip fetuses out of random women with a coat hanger >find myself arguing about atheism on the internet without realizing it >think about getting a fedora when I look in the mirror
>>582778041 All of this, but we can't properly take care of our own citizenry. Countries with a 100th or less of our GDP have no problems setting up proper public systems of education and healthcare. We need to be isolationist for a while and stop meddling in the affairs of others while we iron out our own issues. Sure we can dominate the world, but what does that even mean when the average happiness in our country is lower than the average happiness in Panama...Fucking Panama...
>>582778147 What? Seriously. We have a public police force, fire department, schools, EMTs, water, garbage, sewers, etc. All of which are socialist enterprises. I just want to add healthcare (something *far* more comprehensive and well-structured than the ACA), Energy, and Telcom to that list (and give all of these programs more funding while removing some military spending).
>>582774595 If we are strictly talking economic, I'm pretty left wing, I think that any mining, natural resources, public transport and banks should be nationalised, but if we are talking about other ideology, I've always been right wing, fuck immigrants
>>582774595 It must have happened at the precise time I realised all people arent equal. Some deserve more rights because they have certain disabilities, some deserve less because they spout biggotry and are spoiled shits, but most people just cry for justice/revenge/more rights for those who agree with them/less rights for those who disagree. So I just silently mock and judge others for abandoning their principles, and browse /b/
>>582778041 Yeah bombing farms and rice fields really fucked up their infrastructure. You where fighting kids in rags with aks while having tons of equipment and support at your disposal yet still couldn't get all the way north. Same with Iraq and afghan, getting wrecked by Arabs in flip flops and resorting to dropping $40k bombs on goat herders houses. Is that why the USA has the highest national debt of any nation by a massive margin? What exactly do the 'rest of the world' rely on really? Of course there's products, but none of which I think couldn't be done in China for cheaper and better quality. I can't wait for the next 50 years.
I don't really think I was ever left-wing per say. Sure I questioned a lot of things my family would say around the farm, but once I began to see urbanised England I backed the fuck up and became quite right of centre.
>>582778973 So...how do you propose we fix governmental issues...anarchy? Every politician ends up somewhat shady because third-party candidates never win. That's something else I would have set up. Presidential ballots and voting would work differently. It wouldn't be "vote for one person" it would be "rank people from favorite to least favorite". Points would be awarded inversely-proportionally to the position (i.e. 1st place would get 5 points, 5th place would get 1), and the candidate who got the most points from the popular vote would be the new president.
>>582778951 Let me put it this way; You try to live by some rules that make both yours and the life of others, good and successful. So you believe for example, theft should be illegal because if you make it legal, it could also happen to you without any consequences. But, there are people who dont differentiate between something that should concern all of us, and their own interests. We can all agree that murder is wrong, but we wont agree about free healthcare for everyone, ("why should I pay for someone who smoked all their life" and similar) until it is you or your loved ones that is ill. And if people tend to change/abandon their principles so easily, why should we bother to take them seriously in the first place? >also some fine pussy just because
>>582779804 This in-turn, would guarantee that only the richest members of society would be represented by what little government there is, and the lowest-income members of society would have no guarantees for safety in food, water, or security.
>>582774595 Be 21 on 9/11. Start researching everything fucked up about world politics and society. Friends don't believe me. >You haven't read half these books... >Liberalism predicts nothing, alternative revisionism actually explains the world... >Watch Obama >MFW complete sellout POS ArdentAntiLiberal.nevergoingback
>>582779950 THIS.."guarantees for safety in food, water, or security" is what is killing this fucking country!!!! Are any of you folks actually from the hood?? Have you seen how the system is being taken advantage of up front and personal?? It's disgusting!!
>>582774595 It started when I found out these liberal leaders where the biggest hypocrites out there. If there were nothing to protest they would make something up. They'd rally the most broke people out there, cash in on it somehow and then never spread the money they made.
No wonder the most liberal places in the world have the most expensive real estate while the most conservative places, have the most affordable housing.
>>582780592 Liberalism and support for the American welfare state are two separate things. It is the so-called Neo-Liberals who are the driving force behind austerity, which will demolish the welfare state without diminishing liberalism as such. TMYK
Can someone explain this "liberal" thang you're all talking about? I always thought liberals are all about being open to new ideas and diversity. In some sort I always thought of america being very liberal (Liberty for all). Why do you hate them so much then? And don't give me the good old retarded arguments like "they are stupid", "their opinion makes my butt hurt", "because it's popular nowadays" or any of that bullshit.
I just want real and sound arguments against it. Because from what I hear, you can't really call them liberal if they're not open to anything but their own shit. But america is sadly known for being rather uneducated. So using a word in a wrong concep is not really all that surprising.
>>582781487 You're right. But not just any bloodshed. It's going to take the bloodshed whereby some real Mayans have survived the fascist Mezzo-American state. It's going to take the type of bloodshed whereby some Brazilians can still practice horticulture despite the investments of Clinton/Bush and local oligarchs. It is the blood of survival. The struggle is to survive the bullshit cuntface uber-alphas. Shedding blood to become the state is exactly the mythic phase that cannot become anything else but compromised liberalism.
I don't claim to know shit about the economy, so I can't have any ideology there. Socially I've always been extremely liberal, but as a junior in chemical engineering constantly on the verge of a mental breakdown due to the shit ton of work endlessly crammed down my throat, I'm beginning to become an elitist conservative faggot... I find myself despising the underachieving, trash talking the arts and crafts majors like a master edgelord, and generally feeling no sympathy toward anyone no matter their predicament. What do I do /b/, do I accept these lingering thoughts and become the soulless asshole I've always been destined to be or try to pretend I actually care about other people again
any system that doesnt support the well being of all is not a system i believe in. call it liberalism or communism, left and right wing politics are fucking retarded. america has a completely failed economy because we only care about the rich and let the poor rot and decay our cities
>>582784319 >working for the state while singing patriotic songs. Top kek americans. You have more propaganda and singing of patriotic songs than our country will ever have. And we were communists once.
>>582784752 What about the lazy that take advantage of the system? I grew up in the hood, my parents worked hard. One mexican, one white. I'm tired of seeing fat black bitches walk out of WalMart with 2 shopping carts full of junk food that was paid for with an EBT card. Further outside, she loads all of this into an Escalade with rims that were more expensive then our car. This is seen all through the hood!
>>582784971 America is an obese system that relies on prison labour for manufacturing and who's companies have outsourced everything to the middle anf family. east. A large majority of the rich there claim massive welfare in America directly from taxes made up from working class people. America gives 3 billion in aid to Israel each year and a billion of that money is used by israel to influence elections.
America's national pass time is guilt over slavery, which they fought the war of independence to protect and an incredibly destructive war to further protect. This gult has infected the world with anto white propaganda.
America is bad, and there feelings of entitlement are bad... Fuck you America...not Americans..some of you guys really are awesome.
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