So /b/, how old were you when you outgrew your liberal phase?

Like, save all the Mexicans, free all the health cares, stop all the wars, kill all the Bush's, vote all the Obama's, all republicans are racist type of overly liberal? Or just liberal in general?

I would never call myself liberal but im pretty tolerant to alot of things since i was born and raised in the SF Bay Area, one of the most liberal places you can live in.

18, listening to talk radio on the 2 hour drives to and from work. Never really liberal, but definitely conservative / libertarian now

>>582774595
I get more and more liberal, OP.
You're just a stupid Republican faggot masquerading as a "libertarian."
Fuck you.

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when i was out of the haze of puberty long enough to realize that there are rules for a reason and that being a dickhole about authority only hurts the world

When I got too fat to get laid anymore is when I became a conservative.

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>>582775802
>listening to talk radio
You never hear a rebuttal.

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>>582774595
When I stopped being a hormonal little pissant.
So, like, 16.

>>582776074
Then you realise the only way people got shit done in the past was by testing authority.
It's mass conformity that's killing the world friend.

>>582776325

>stupid conformist

k, tell that to the most successful social organism around, the U.S. miltary

>>582776197
My older step sister is ridiculously liberal, we argue a lot, but I learn to be more balanced through it

>>582776427
>successful
>US Military
TOP FUCKIN LEL 10/10

>>582776510

>imply its not a success

confirmed anti-american idiot blinded by his bumpy bandwagon

It's sad how people think this strategy works.
>let's make that thing i disagree with seem lame and juvenile.

First it was athiesm, now liberalism. Get a life.

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>>582775315

Perhaps no one political dogma holds the answer we seek.

>>582776714
Rekt at pear harbour so decide to finally go help in Europe
Then try to take credit for everything
Nuke 2 cities of civilians
Btfo in Vietnam
Btfo in Iraq
Btfo in Afghanistan
Hated the world over even by supposed 'allies'
Costs over half the US GDP while nation is trillions in debt.

>success

>>582774595
never. grew into it

>>582775929
yea fuck conservatism

>>582777331
To be fair Christianity is a bag of shit though.

>>582777495
Yeah, Christianity is the worst religion of all right?

>>582774595
>how old were you when you outgrew your liberal phase?
Wait, do you mean liberal as in "damned those filthy liberuullss!!!"

Or do you mean liberal, as in liberalism?

Because if the latter, I became liberal in my twenties.

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>>582777423
Abortion isn't killing. It is the removal of an appendage. It's the moral equivalent of a man cutting of an extra pinkie finger.

>>582774595
19 or so.

>>582777267
>>582777032
You do realise that calling someone racist, homophobic, sexist etc is not intolerance but hating gays or Mexicans is, right. Or are you too autistic to see a difference?

>>582774595

26, when I realized that the"bullying and hate" that I was being told to hate about right wing politics was simply just bullying from a left wing view point.

All politicians are scummy slimey bastards, may as well support the side that benefits me the most.

>>582774595
I started vaguely liberal, but have developed into a democratic socialist. The more I looked around and saw how skewed everything is, the more I realized that there has to be some kind of equalizer...and a well-managed government is about the best equalizer one can hope for.

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>>582777697
You do realize that being against illegal immigration isn't hating Mexicans right?

Oh and this:

"Name calling is a cognitive bias and a technique to promote propaganda. Propagandists use the name-calling technique to incite fears or arouse positive prejudices with the intent that invoked fear (based on fearmongering tactics) or trust will encourage those that read, see or hear propaganda to construct a negative opinion, in respect to the former, or a positive opinion, with respect to the latter, about a person, group, or set of beliefs or ideas that the propagandist would wish the recipients to believe. The method is intended to provoke conclusions and actions about a matter apart from an impartial examinations of the facts of the matter. When this tactic is used instead of an argument, name-calling is thus a substitute for rational, fact-based arguments against an idea or belief, based upon its own merits, and becomes an argumentum ad hominem."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_calling#As_a_cognitive_bias_in_propaganda

>>582777335

go compare death rates between charlie and u.s. in the nam war and take into account the destroyed infrastructure that we left them with, i wouldn't exactly call that losing. and usa didn't lose iraq or afganistan, i don't understand how the hell you figure that. besides, wars are not fought for victory, they are fought for money, and when it comes to making money off of war, the USA is the undisputed champ

usa is only hated by trash like you, its ok though, employees will always talk trash about there bosses

you really want to know how succesful U.S. is? every nation in the world has a mcdonalds and america will never have to pay off the trillions in debt because the entire world relies on it.

learn loom at things objectively and maybe you will udnerstand the supremacy that usa holds over the world

>>582777845
Wow!! Just fucking WOW!!!

Move to fucking North Korea then!!

>>582777658
fingers dont have the potential to grow up to be fully fledged human beings. How can you even be so retarded

help a hipster fag bit me on the bus
>I never grew out of my liberal phase
>keeps getting worse each passing day
>suddenly get the urge to hump trees
>also gets the urge to rip fetuses out of random women with a coat hanger
>find myself arguing about atheism on the internet without realizing it
>think about getting a fedora when I look in the mirror

>>582777613
Arguably yes. As the dominant faith of the western world it's been used as a reason for so much fucked up shit.

Also I find Christians to be some of the most outspoken and confrontational religious people despite a large percentage having very minor knowledge of the bible.

>inb4 religious debate
Just because you grew up in a Christian nation doesn't mean that it's the right religion.

>>582777658

Hahahha this fucking argument.

Because fingers aren't miniature humans?
Can't remember I left one of my finger on it's own for 9 months then had a baby at the end of it.

Fucking retard.

>>582778208
Judging by the obvious pic posted, I figured that was a troll...

>>582778041
All of this, but we can't properly take care of our own citizenry. Countries with a 100th or less of our GDP have no problems setting up proper public systems of education and healthcare.
We need to be isolationist for a while and stop meddling in the affairs of others while we iron out our own issues. Sure we can dominate the world, but what does that even mean when the average happiness in our country is lower than the average happiness in Panama...Fucking Panama...

>>582778356
Baptised Catholic, go to Christian functions once in a while with family. Don't practice religion on a daily basis. 27/M

Don't assume anon

>>582778147
What? Seriously. We have a public police force, fire department, schools, EMTs, water, garbage, sewers, etc. All of which are socialist enterprises. I just want to add healthcare (something *far* more comprehensive and well-structured than the ACA), Energy, and Telcom to that list (and give all of these programs more funding while removing some military spending).

>>582778356
Honestly, religion isn't even my main hype. I think one should be able to freely practice whatever they want as long as it doesn't impede in the lives of others.

Liberals aren't even.... liberal

>>582774595
If we are strictly talking economic, I'm pretty left wing, I think that any mining, natural resources, public transport and banks should be nationalised, but if we are talking about other ideology, I've always been right wing, fuck immigrants

>>582778147
there's nothing wrong with what he posted. argue against it instead of insulting him.

>>582774595
It must have happened at the precise time I realised all people arent equal. Some deserve more rights because they have certain disabilities, some deserve less because they spout biggotry and are spoiled shits, but most people just cry for justice/revenge/more rights for those who agree with them/less rights for those who disagree. So I just silently mock and judge others for abandoning their principles, and browse /b/

>>582778803
"just want to add" turns into a plethora of other shit, followed by shady ass people you voted into office

>>582778041
Yeah bombing farms and rice fields really fucked up their infrastructure. You where fighting kids in rags with aks while having tons of equipment and support at your disposal yet still couldn't get all the way north.
Same with Iraq and afghan, getting wrecked by Arabs in flip flops and resorting to dropping $40k bombs on goat herders houses.
Is that why the USA has the highest national debt of any nation by a massive margin?
What exactly do the 'rest of the world' rely on really? Of course there's products, but none of which I think couldn't be done in China for cheaper and better quality.
I can't wait for the next 50 years.

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>>582778356
Take that fedora off before it causes more brain damage

>>582778889
I didn't insult him/her. However you may have if it wasn't a him...

I don't really think I was ever left-wing per say. Sure I questioned a lot of things my family would say around the farm, but once I began to see urbanised England I backed the fuck up and became quite right of centre.

>>582774595

Probably 23? If not, then definitely 25.

>>582778996
Mocks criticism of Christianity but posts something aimed to put bad light on Islam.
Way to undermine your whole point cunt.

>>582778990
Do you not understand ROE's??!!!!!!

>>582778803
Lol you actually think thats right

>>582778862
Pretty much this.

>>582778669
No point did I assume you prick. I made a generalisation of a group not anyone specific.
Read more

I'm a true blooded American, I've never had one.

>>582778973
So...how do you propose we fix governmental issues...anarchy? Every politician ends up somewhat shady because third-party candidates never win. That's something else I would have set up. Presidential ballots and voting would work differently. It wouldn't be "vote for one person" it would be "rank people from favorite to least favorite". Points would be awarded inversely-proportionally to the position (i.e. 1st place would get 5 points, 5th place would get 1), and the candidate who got the most points from the popular vote would be the new president.

>>582779209
Except that's wrong you retard

>>582779220
I actually don't know what you mean no. Rules of engagement? Is that what you mean?

>>582779314
Wow, nice going with the name calling. Typical..

>>582779250
How about actually presenting a counter-argument instead of "lol I troll u!"

>>582779359
Great reply thnx
We'll explained

>>582779445
Could've ignored it and tried to counter argue or make a new point but no, you just moaned you got called a name. Bless.

>>582774595
about 13

>>582779346
Politics shouldn't be a career imo...

Cut the perks, smaller .gov

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>>582778951
Let me put it this way;
You try to live by some rules that make both yours and the life of others, good and successful. So you believe for example, theft should be illegal because if you make it legal, it could also happen to you without any consequences. But, there are people who dont differentiate between something that should concern all of us, and their own interests. We can all agree that murder is wrong, but we wont agree about free healthcare for everyone, ("why should I pay for someone who smoked all their life" and similar) until it is you or your loved ones that is ill. And if people tend to change/abandon their principles so easily, why should we bother to take them seriously in the first place?
>also some fine pussy just because

>>582779643
The only problem with this is that it would guarantee that politicians would be rich (the vast majority already are, I know) because only the rich could afford to work for free.

>>582779610
Because I'm not trying to argue religion. I don't need to waste my time arguing religion. You misunderstood my post from the gate and jumped to name calling. I'm good.

>>582779804
This in-turn, would guarantee that only the richest members of society would be represented by what little government there is, and the lowest-income members of society would have no guarantees for safety in food, water, or security.

>>582779804
I didn't say work for free, I said it shouldn'y be a career. Look at fucking Feinstein!! I mean cmon!!

>>582779813
>accuses me of assuming
>says some shit
>realises mistake
>"mehmehmeh why you name call"
>"I didn't even wanna argue anyway"
Woooow

>>582774595
Be 21 on 9/11. Start researching everything fucked up about world politics and society.
Friends don't believe me.
>You haven't read half these books...
>Liberalism predicts nothing, alternative revisionism actually explains the world...
>Watch Obama
>MFW complete sellout POS
ArdentAntiLiberal.nevergoingback

>>582779950
THIS.."guarantees for safety in food, water, or security" is what is killing this fucking country!!!! Are any of you folks actually from the hood?? Have you seen how the system is being taken advantage of up front and personal?? It's disgusting!!

>>582780149
Fuck anon stfu already!!

"Just because you grew up in a Christian nation doesn't mean that it's the right religion."

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>>582779950
>thousands of dollars in 'guarantees' going to Trukwandas 10 kids while she sits on her fat ass waiting for number 11 to pop out
Yeah, we need more of that.

>>582774595
It started when I found out these liberal leaders where the biggest hypocrites out there. If there were nothing to protest they would make something up. They'd rally the most broke people out there, cash in on it somehow and then never spread the money they made.

No wonder the most liberal places in the world have the most expensive real estate while the most conservative places, have the most affordable housing.

>>582780592
Liberalism and support for the American welfare state are two separate things.
It is the so-called Neo-Liberals who are the driving force behind austerity, which will demolish the welfare state without diminishing liberalism as such.
TMYK

>>582780696
ITT: Youngsters respond to the labels of liberal & conservative as they've been taught to by TV.

>>582780428
As I said before like 5 posts ago...
Not a assumption, it was a generalisation you absolute utter cunt.
Fuck me you grasp of language is poor

>>582780937
What do you expect, the state of California votes based on what is said on the commercials leading up to election season. "Hmm, he seems like a nice guy"

>>582781038
Learn how to write you fucking j-cat!!

Now get off my fucking nuts already!

>>582781089
I expect the worst. I hope to meet enough smart people to put a dent in this bs before i die.

>>582781328
Look around man, it's going to take bloodshed again. You really think were coming back from where we are now? The scales have been tilted imo, I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am.

>>582778147
Or he could come to a country that fits his definition, like Australia.

Can someone explain this "liberal" thang you're all talking about?
I always thought liberals are all about being open to new ideas and diversity. In some sort I always thought of america being very liberal (Liberty for all). Why do you hate them so much then?
And don't give me the good old retarded arguments like "they are stupid", "their opinion makes my butt hurt", "because it's popular nowadays" or any of that bullshit.

I just want real and sound arguments against it. Because from what I hear, you can't really call them liberal if they're not open to anything but their own shit. But america is sadly known for being rather uneducated. So using a word in a wrong concep is not really all that surprising.

>>582781487
You're right. But not just any bloodshed.
It's going to take the bloodshed whereby some real Mayans have survived the fascist Mezzo-American state.
It's going to take the type of bloodshed whereby some Brazilians can still practice horticulture despite the investments of Clinton/Bush and local oligarchs.
It is the blood of survival. The struggle is to survive the bullshit cuntface uber-alphas.
Shedding blood to become the state is exactly the mythic phase that cannot become anything else but compromised liberalism.

I don't claim to know shit about the economy, so I can't have any ideology there. Socially I've always been extremely liberal, but as a junior in chemical engineering constantly on the verge of a mental breakdown due to the shit ton of work endlessly crammed down my throat, I'm beginning to become an elitist conservative faggot... I find myself despising the underachieving, trash talking the arts and crafts majors like a master edgelord, and generally feeling no sympathy toward anyone no matter their predicament. What do I do /b/, do I accept these lingering thoughts and become the soulless asshole I've always been destined to be or try to pretend I actually care about other people again

>>582774595
>grew up in Oklahoma

what's a Liberal?

>>582779510
That's not what I typed

>>582782104
A liberal is supposed to be someone who fights against tyranny, stoic society and cronyism. However, in this early 21st century the aisles have swapped meaning.

IMO everything a modern liberal stands for represents the destruction of liberty and freedom with only token self-destructive "freedoms" allowed.

If something makes one self-empowered and reduces government control, a modern liberal is against it. Modern liberals fear a free thinking and self-sustaining individual.

Economically conservative, socially/environmentally progressive masterrace

If you aren't to a certain degree liberal about social policy you're literally what is holding back the progress of humanity

>>582783919
You make a better Libertarian than a liberal.

>>582783463
>If something makes one self-empowered and reduces government control, a modern liberal is against it.
>Modern liberals fear a free thinking and self-sustaining individual.

I can't tell if you're a right-wing zealot or just American. How can you possibly function as a country when everyone is poisoned against each other?

>>582784189
Survival of the fittest. At least we all don't wake up to exercise in a community common ground working for the state while singing patriotic songs.

>>582784319
Comradery doesn't have to be communism

any system that doesnt support the well being of all is not a system i believe in. call it liberalism or communism, left and right wing politics are fucking retarded. america has a completely failed economy because we only care about the rich and let the poor rot and decay our cities

>>582784752
American is a healthy capitalist system that purge unproductive individuals like shit out of a colon every other generation.

Make food or be food.

Around the same time I stopped believing in Santa Claus and Jesus. So, around 10 years old.
I realised that all your presents are belong to me.

>>582784319
>working for the state while singing patriotic songs.
Top kek americans.
You have more propaganda and singing of patriotic songs than our country will ever have. And we were communists once.

>>582784971
Is that why so many people are on welfare?

>>582785347
Welfare bums are food. They just don't know it.

>>582774595
Around about now. Still liberal, but 4chan made me a bit too le edgy hateful autist.

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Take this filth you call a thread back to /pol/ before it gives me cancer

>>582784752
What about the lazy that take advantage of the system? I grew up in the hood, my parents worked hard. One mexican, one white. I'm tired of seeing fat black bitches walk out of WalMart with 2 shopping carts full of junk food that was paid for with an EBT card. Further outside, she loads all of this into an Escalade with rims that were more expensive then our car. This is seen all through the hood!

>>582784971
America is an obese system that relies on prison labour for manufacturing and who's companies have outsourced everything to the middle anf family. east. A large majority of the rich there claim massive welfare in America directly from taxes made up from working class people. America gives 3 billion in aid to Israel each year and a billion of that money is used by israel to influence elections.

America's national pass time is guilt over slavery, which they fought the war of independence to protect and an incredibly destructive war to further protect.
This gult has infected the world with anto white propaganda.

America is bad, and there feelings of entitlement are bad...
Fuck you America...not Americans..some of you guys really are awesome.

Fixed it for ya

>>582786052
No, im not being racist. Yes mexicans and whites and asians do this as well. However, this is the problem i see, all the fucking time.

do you mean liberal as in classic liberal or as in social-democratic, multicultural scumbag?

almost 6 years now. but i'm no fan of the republicunts either.

>republicans are just democrats pretending to be conservative
>democrats are communists pretending to be liberals

>>582774595
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