Philosophy thread? Philosophy thread.

>>581930605
OP is a faggot - anon

>>581930789
deep bro

Okay, I'm down.
Bump

Where to begin?

On b/? That's absurdism

>>581930789
To imagine a faggot is to imagine a form of buttsex. - Wittgenstein

>>581930605
What's the purpose of philosophy?

>>581930605
If God is all powerful, then he must have the power to create a stone even he could not lift.

However, if there exists a stone he cannot life, he is not all powerful

How about this.


Does philosophy actually have an ascertainable purpose? Or would the ascertainment of the purpose of philosophy ("the" purpose of philosophy, for you linguistic turnfags) only be possible either when utter Truth is somehow found, or else imposed?

>>581930605
"How Can Mirrors Be Real If Our Eyes Aren't Real" - Jaden "Wise" Smith

>>581931168
To question life, existence and god mainly.

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There are more stars in the sky than atoms in the universe

>>581931217
If god is all powerful he would be blue to create paradoxes and still maintain his all powerful status.

Ask any catholic, bread and wine for communion is both bread and wine and the body and blood of Christ. It's a contradiction because god doesn't give a fuck.

Your postulation falls apart.

>>581930605
How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?

>>581931168
>what is philosophy?

>>581931217
God is the stone, and not the stone

>>581931232
philosophy is merely the beginning of something new

>>581931358
2deep4me
but actually somewhat deep

>>581930605
adherents of metaphysics and critical theory should be burned at the stake.

That is all.

>>581932149
>>581932149
Dat Deleuze

>>581932172
ah, Kant has arrived!

>>581932172
And how exactly do you /avoid/ having mtaphysical views?

>>581932172
>adherents of metaphysics
What? Metaphysics isn't a philosophical position, it's a philosophical inquiry.

>>581932395
by not pretending the universe is subjective and realities are opinionated.

>>581932956
Okay, the universe is not subjective and realities are not opinionated.

Now how exactly do you purport to give unto me, to picture, to paint that reality, sans metaphysics?

Science is a retard reason to live life by, and a worse one to find meaning in life with. Nietcha bitch. (I know I misspelled his name)

>>581931232
Well, this is coming from someone who's read nothing on philosophy, but I'd say it's entirely up to the person using philosophy. Some would be focused on the result, which would be the utter truth found/imposed at the end of your question, or they would embrace the process of searching for that result, finding personal meaning in that side of things.

It's subjective I think. Personally, I see philosophy as a means to an end, that end being to understand the world. However, I don't extensively search for understanding for understanding, rather understanding for practicality. If it doesn't work, or I can see a way in the future where this way of thinking falls short, I'll try to correct it. However, I don't constantly try to invalidate my own understanding in order to reach true comprehension. I just try to search for truth when I see that false methods could no longer work.

>>581930605
Is that Sartre? Did I guess correctly? Let's make a Spot the philosoper and name him thread

>>581933862
That's Wittgenstein. Sartre is way uglier, and is always smoking a cigarette or pipe

>>581933862
no. is actually nietzsche

>>581933524
*Nietzsche

>>581933531
That's a very good summary.
You should study some philosophy, sounds like you have a natural tendency to think critically.

>>581932956
but anon, everything that you can ever experience will be subjective, limited to only your perception.
But there must also exist a reality outside of perception.
>thus comes the inter-subjective experience

>>581932395
"Metaphysics is a traditional branch of philosophy concerned with explaining the fundamental nature of being and the world that encompasses it, although the term is not easily defined." - wikipedia

>>581933524 is literally a perfect example of what I'm referring to.

>>581933378
it's quite simple. What is, is no longer a question, but now laws and actualities to adhere to.

>>581934196
Got any recommendations?

Any time philosophy does something useful, it is immediately declared science. This has happened maybe 10 times in 6000 years.

But, really, that the point of philosophy.

>>581932172
Boring analytic faggot detected.

>>581934285
And how is it that your claim to laws and actualities, and precisely what those laws and actualities do not fall into that description of Metaphysics?

The very claim that we can have a Scientific understanding of the universe, or indeed any understanding of the universe, is a metaphysical claim. Not all meta-physicians are relativists.

>>581934196
>this is what people actually believe.

No, experiences will be limited to the laws of reality, because I, just like you cannot escape said laws, no matter how much I pretend them to be subjective. That is a fact, just like gravity is keeping you on this earth, whether you believe it or not. The world is round, and that has been fact even before anyone believed it as well, even as they sailed across it.

>>581934393
I would start with some early Greek philosophers.
Plato and Aristotle are really the basis of western philosophy. Plato's Republic is a good starting point.
It's really hard for me to say where you should start, it's really about personal preference.
But there is really a lot of good material out there.

>>581934545
homeless man detected.

>>581934646
metaphysicians focus on relativity because metaphysics is the only type of illogic that allows such thought. Adherents to realism and facts do not identify with metaphysics for said reasons.

>>581934994
What is a fact, anon?
Something determined through inter-subjective experience, as I described.
Reality as we know it is defined through the subjective experience of a mass, creating "reality"

lrn2kant bro

>>581934994
I think we are limited to the laws of reality, but experience is not. Get what I mean? Like, a crazy person is bound by gravity, but they could completely believe that they are not. And if you were in their shoes, would you be wrong? We are bound by objectivity, but subjectivity can supersede that. We can perceive things as they are not, and those observations are just as legitimate as the objective ones to the observer alone.

>>581935702
>metaphysics is the only illogic.

What metaphysics have you even /read/ mate. Cause honestly, Quine, Russel, Carnap, et al. are not "illogic".

Or are you gonna pull an Ayer and amaze me with your analytic synthetic divide?

>>581935712
Fact consists of laws and reality. You are the exact kind of scum I despise. You believe that everything is subjective simply because you can pretend it away, but are actually too brainless to realize that said laws and realities affect everything, regardless of whether you understand that or not. See my previous examples.

>>581930605
I philosophize that OP is a faggot.

>>581936153
And what exactly are the laws and realities that you so claim. The laws of the earth. Sure, but I'm not asking "if" they're there, I'm asking /what they are/. If you say the physical laws, you're only giving them one property, whcih is certainly no full description, and also submitting to the quite metaphysical claim that the only laws are physical.

>>581936153
Oh boy, here we go...
Kek, I don't believe the universe is subjective.
I think our experience of it is.
There exists a reality outside of me.
Will I ever know it as such? No, because I have a subjective experience.
And any fact is simply agreed upon by a majority.
Everyone thought that the sun revolved around the world, and that was a "fact"
Any fact is simply the belief of the majority

>>581936153
Heh, you're just as dogmatic as the people you despise. Way to suck your own dick anon.

>>581936026
>quotes "illogic"
>doesn't understand that illogic is a real word

This is almost painful. Please just get to your point.

>>581935813
Said crazy person is wrong. Of course he'll think he's right, because that's part of being wrong in the first place. Objectivity will always exceed subjectivity. Any amount of subjectivity will consistently and always crumble to that of reality in time. Objectivity, does not ever fail.

>>581936987
I agree. But, objectivity is separate from our own experiences. Truth will always win out in the end, but due to our subjective perception, it's not always clear what is and isn't objective and true.

>>581936987
And like that, you've successfully removed my interest in responding to you. I would think that you weren't a troll, except that all you could manage in response to the point you said I have yet to get to is a bicker with my quotations.

Cheers, mate, your ruse worked!

>>581936639
I don't recall only saying "physical laws". I used physical because it's the easiest to demonstrate. Listing every law and reality would take more than several lifetimes. Please don't bait me with this bullshit.

>>581936780
I think you'll know it as such. If you don't eat you will die. That's a fair taste of reality and objectivity, no pun intended.

>>581937467
Objectivity is not separate. Are existence is built and survives through our adheral to objectivity. This is a fact. Subjectivity in itself is the denial of objectivity on any level, be it large or small.

>>581937468
Cheers

>>581938224
I doubt I'll ever convince you, as you seem emotionally invested in what I think of as the illusion of objectivity, as if you don't perceive the world subjectively like every other human being. But, I guess I'll say "in my opinion", experience is perceiving the objective subjectively.

>>581938907
objective subjectivity is an oxymoron. You're combining two terms that reject each other by definition.

Epistemology is a waste, JTB is never going to be strong enough, and there will never be a satisfactory fourth condition, tautology is the only reasonable knowledge, but it is impossible to demonstrate it being abelian. Skepticism is the only real philosophical standpoint; pragmatism is acceptable so long as you first admit a basic skeptical frame.

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>>581930605
Communism can and will work. It's just a matter of gradual implementation of communist/socialist policies which creates an equal society while abolishing private property and denying any person of the position to take advantage of those who work.

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>>581938224
>" I don't recall"
stopped reading
pretentious b tard spotted
gtfo
find a mirror
masturbate
slap yourself
put finger in ass
smell it
realize it stinks and youre not special
call nasa
fly to moon

>>581939225
That wasn't one word. I'm saying that there is the objective. you are perceiving said objective, subjectively. Well, all humans are and do.

>>581939535
I never said it was one word. That is your subjective view, henceforth it being wrong. I cannot possibly perceive objectivity subjectively because, as i earlier stated, that would no longer be objective.

I'm not claiming that subjectivity doesn't exist, I'm claiming it to be a cancer to the mind.

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>>581940301
But I mean, it's a cancer that we cannot escape from. There is no removing yourself from that inevitable error in perception. And, it's not always an error.

Who wants to touch my "thing-in-itself"?

>>581939346
>communism
>works
>group of jews, solely funded by jews creates the bolshevik party and murders 30 million hardworking and successful christian whites for the sole purpose of destroying their culture and setting their economy back.

>>581940745
I disagree. Plenty escape from it: the successful, wise and intelligent. People who understand the objective nature of the world and build off of it as opposed to pretending it away.

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>>581940637
>read Nietzsche in high school
>hear all about how edgy he is and how everyone thinks he's an asshole
>mfw I actually agree with the majority of what he says

if someone discusses nietzsche ill kill myself

>>581930605
>tfw its not 1924 and wittgenstein isnt trying to fuck you

>>581941167
>bolshevik party
>bolshevik's disregarded gradual implementation
>rose through violent revolution
>ruled by a dictator instead of the people
>not communism

>>581941862
Oops

>>581941862
kek an hero

>>581941680
nearly 30-40% of /b/ are INTJs. hence the usual INTJ master race groups of fags.

nietzsche is an INTJ.

coincidence? mabe

>>581941915
Your realize karl marx was more jewish than almost anyone you can find on this planet today, and the only reason his ideas rose to prominence was to be used as a weapon against the european people, right? This can be seen with even more prominence today with the rise of cultural marxism.

>what is the school of frankfurt
>what is redefined critical theory

you have some research to do.

>>581930789
If OP is a girl is she a faggot?

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>>581942228
Ya got me. I'm intj.
But seriously, I think that many of Nietzsche's beliefs make more sense than people give him credit for: relativism, the corruption of modern man, art for art's sake, anti-liberalism, etc.

>>581942540
Do you think I give a shit about whether he was Jewish or not? I'm not racist. And yes, I'm very much aware how his ideas were used against the people instead of for them. That doesn't mean his ideas are flawed. That simply means others are willing to use them to gain power. You're not going to convince me that the U.S.A. using "Democracy" and "Freedom" to obtain oil resources in the Middle East is any different.

>maybe this world is another planet's hell - Aldous Huxley, author of Brave New World

I cannot think of a more accurate piece of philosophy.

>>581941862
/b/ is a flat circle, maaaaan.

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More relevant than ever. All jobs will eventually go over to automation if we do nothing about it.

>>581943116
>thinks having a problem with jews is racist.

>jewish people have literally been trying to overthrow every society they have ever entered and have subsequently gotten kicked out of each and every one.

"you racist"

>His ideas are not flawed

Marx was a broke loser who was a literal parasite to his parents and took money from his own friends. He died as scum and should've stayed that way. He never worked a day in his worthless life.

>Thinks the US is in the middle east for oil

Oh, god you must be underage. You know literally nothing. You're swallowing poison and you don't even care at this point. Very sad.

>>581942548
OP actually wants to know this... because reasons.

>>581943037
i'm an INFJ, and i agree with nietzsche on some things and disagree on others. but i realize that those disagreements aren't really legitimate in terms of fact. it's just differences in how we would both address problems. INFJs lack Te, which is your main function for categorizing and making the world make sense, while INTJs lack Fe, which is my main function for categorizing and making the world make sense.

I've done way too much research on this shit man.

>>581943774
Jobs should be automated. Jobs Culture is holding us back. We're never gonna survive the 21st century if we don't stop holding people's necessities hostage.

>>581943995
I fail to see how one's myers briggs categorization matters.

Also, did you read edgy BGnE Nietzsche, or fully philosophic Zarathustra TotI Ecce Homo Freulich Wissenschaft Niet

>>581943939

This is pretty well what I expected philosophy on 4chan to look like: Ad hominems, and no actual ideas.

You're all morons.

>>581943774
It will only take the jobs of those who are too stupid to design things.

>>581944371
>facts rustle my jimmies

go back to 9gag

>>581943939
Alright. I get it now. Conspiracy theories about Jews taking over the world = Okay. Conspiracy theories about the U.S. getting oil in the Middle East = Outlandish.

We've seemed to have reached an impasse at which each side simply gets their views from different propaganda. Neither of us will be able to convince the other that their propaganda is the right one. Good day sir.

>>581931232
Philosophy comes from Latin root words meaning love of knowledge. The purpose of philosophy is to reach a logical sound 'truth'

>>581944634
>implying that an economy can exist entirely of "innovators"

you're a libertarian aren't you. Probably a Business major?

Protip, get a degree where you actually learn soemthing.

>>581944634
So... Basically the majority of jobs. Not everyone can be a genius and invent things.

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>>581930605
Let us discuss epistemology. Any philosophy majors here?

>>581945007
OP here (different tag cause logged out)

I know that's a vagina.

>too bad I'm a faggot and so couldn't care less.

Adastrium

>>581944730
List of countries jews have been kicked out of with year:

250 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Carthage
415 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alexandria
554 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocèse of Clermont (France)
561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocèse of Uzès (France)
612 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Spain
642 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Empire
855 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
876 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sens
1012 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1276 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Upper Bavaria
1290 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - England
1306 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1322 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France (again)
1348 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Switzerland
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hielbronn (Germany)
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Saxony
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1360 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1370 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Belgium
1380 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1388 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
continued

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Everyone who commented in this thread has to shove a sharpie in their butt. So says austrian duck rabbit.

"Wovon mann nicht sprechen kann, daruber muss mann shove sharpies in their pooper"

>>581945675
continuing

1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1420 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lyons
1421 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Fribourg
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Zurich
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cologne
1432 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Savoy
1438 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1439 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Augsburg
1442 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1444 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1446 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Breslau
1454 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1462 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1483 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1484 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1485 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vincenza (Italy)
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spain
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
1495 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Portugal
1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nuremberg

>>581944765
greek. Philos and sophia are greek words.

>>581945885
continuing

1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Navarre
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenberg
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prussia
1514 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1515 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1519 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Regensburg
1533 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1541 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1542 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague & Bohemia
1550 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1551 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1555 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pesaro
1557 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1559 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1567 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1569 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Papal States
1571 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg
1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands

>>581945818
I LOVE YOU SEXUALLY, MY DEAR DUCK

>>581946057
I fail to see a point.

>>581944310
I haven't read much really. I've heard a lot from other people, and read a minor portion of Thus Spoke Zarathustra. I thought he was way too distrustful of other people's ability to think, referring to them consistently as the masses.

Oh, and MBTI means a LOT in my opinion. It's a very simple system, but can give a basic starting point in understanding to more complex relationships. I use it in conjunction with socionics, and it can give me pretty profound insight on people by just a few little tidbits leading me to their cognitive functions.

I love it. <3

>>581946057
Continuing

1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1593 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg, Austria
1597 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cremona, Pavia & Lodi
1614 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Frankfort
1615 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Worms
1619 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kiev
1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ukraine
1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Poland
1649 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hamburg
1654 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
1656 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Oran (North Africa)
1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1670 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1712 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sandomir
1727 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1738 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurtemburg
1740 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague, Bohemia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Livonia

>>581946318
and finally

1745 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moravia
1753 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kovad (Lithuania)
1761 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bordeaux
1772 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia)
1775 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1789 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alsace
1804 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages in Russia
1808 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages & Countrysides (Russia)
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lbeck & Bremen
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
1820 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bremen
1843 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russian Border Austria & Prussia
1862 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Areas in the U.S. under General Grant's Jurisdiction[1]
1866 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Galatz, Romania
1880s - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1891 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moscow
1919 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
1938-45 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nazi Controlled Areas
1948 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Arab Countries

>>581944834
>>581944986

Well the lower class needs to start having less kids instead of having more. They have a ton of kids because their own mistakes.

If someone finds that they can't seem to get a job or support a family with a low paying job, they need take responsibility and not have children.

Demanding that factories make more jobs for uneducated humans is bizarre and wrong.

>>581946318
>>581946057
>>581945885
>>581945675
>>581946536
>>>/pol/

>>581946305
He doesn't do that with other people categorically.

The "fast food" version of Nietzsche is one of those philosphers that's profoundly different from the real deal.

I think, therefore, OP is a faggot.

>>581946181
really? Do you now? Try "Conspiracy theories about Jews taking over the world."

Because it's not a conspiracy.

Jews make up 2 percent of the US population and account for 50 percent of US billionaires. They were also grossly disproportionately over represented in the Soviet union. Would you like a list of dual israeli citizens in the US congress too?

>>581946603
Ah, so you are libertarian. "Everyone that has ever had anything bad happen to them deserves it because they don't work hard enough."

It's not about making more jobs it's about not taking jobs away from people who need them.

>>581931768
But the absurdity of such a contradiction is one among thousand points that point out the flaws in such a thing as omnipotence. Stating that two completely contradicting states can co-exist to due a single entities overbearing power is absurd. There are so many things wrong with it that I can't even begin to count them down, and THAT'S the point of the point.

>>581946884
Alright, I'll take your word for it. Though that's the exact reason I got misled in the first place lol. But, I've got plenty of time to learn.

Speaking of which, what are some other notable philosophers you can think of where the fast summaries are rarely accurate?

>>581945176
Epistemology always makes for a fun discussion.

>>581947219
What do you think of this interpretation:

Maybe this supernatural being we know of as God goes above human logic, and therefore can contradict itself to our logic while still remaining true to its own rules?

Or do you think that's absurd as well, and why?

>>581947125
So should we all have stayed farmers so we could all had jobs?

Should society be at a stand still just so everyone is happy?

>>581947219
The idea that some contradictions are okay has been defended in the form of paraconsistent logic by a number of mathematicians and logicians. Look up Graham Priest's work. He gives striking results about these systems which make them seem more plausible than they are at first.

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>>581947043
>2014
>implying that race/ethnicity has any more to do with affluence/power than simple accumulation of wealth
>mfw

>>581946603
How so? A mistake is a relative term, and many people are born into situations they can't get out of. Many people are raised in harmful environments, or may want to have children but can't afford it. Should the burden be put on them? I don't believe so. I believe as a society, we should enable all people in their pursuit of a well-paying job and their attempts to obtain happiness. Different people have different circumstances. The circumstances shouldn't be what is questioned, the system that prevents people with these circumstances from succeeding should be questioned.

>>581947325
Few, really. Hegel has a quip about the insufficiency of summaries that basically can be summed up (kek) as "if I could write the whole idea in a summary, I wouldn't need the book"

Generally though, Bertrand Russel, Carnap, Ayer. Foucault, though the continentals are less summarizable because their discourse isn't as standardized, sometimes for better sometimes for worse

>>581947804
No, but apparently people are supposed to simply repress their inherent desire to reproduce just so that everyone's happy.

i'm sure the libertarians in this thread did not grow up in upper-middle-class white neighborhoods with their education paid for
>btw that's me

>>581946603
Imagine there's an isolated village with 99 jobs for 100 workers. What the fuck is that hundredth worker supposed to do, jump off a bridge?

That's the environment in the United States; there are not enough jobs for everyone. The jobs are gone and they're not coming back. It's actually been this way for a couple decades, but nobody noticed because we've been chucking so many people in prison.

Jobs Culture needs to be completely discarded, as do all the various political systems based upon it. We need to stop holding people's necessities hostage and start automating the labor and the infrastructure so that people's needs can be met not because they 'earned it,' but as a matter of course because they're here.

>>581947869
I'm not questioning the idea that there are contradictions in many things we hold sacred, I'm questioning the dozens of contradictions about a single idea that are consistently derived from off-the-top explanations to defend this idea.

>Changing the subject a bit for an important question

Is it possible to have a "right" morality, or are morals just an unachieveable concept created to put ourselves apart from murderers and psychopaths?

>>581931768
God can't learn.

>>581947984

>2014

>Not knowing that being jewish in zionist society that holds said wealth is ethnically based

>being this ignorant

It's nice to know all your marxist propaganda taught you literally no facts whatsoever. I bet you haven't even read the talmud, like a good marxist.

>>581947752
The reason that I find it absurd is because the logic we use with our limited perception is the only thing we can rely on. There may be things beyond it, but there is no reason to believe in these things without anything that can appeal to our sense of logic within our realm of perception. Perhaps there IS some kind of God that can do such a thing, but I have no reason to see one, therefore it's better to assume that the idea is unlikely given the circumstances with such contradictions.

>>581948351
^ 100% This.
Would you perchance be communist/socialist?

>>581930605
GOD'S HONEST TRUTH:

western philosophy is a semantic circle jerk

forget it 99% of it and read Daniel Dennet and others who come at it from neuroscience

or, come at from non western circle jerk and read something like Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind

>>581948741
Those labels are offshoots of Jobs Culture, which is the main thing I want to destroy this century. If you must have an -ist to describe my views, call me a post-scarcist.

>>581948610
I believe all morals are merely relative view-points about a circumstantial scenario derived from our base emotions.

All human beings base their actions off of what they consider at any given moment to be the preferable, or "right" course of action. Nobody intentionally does something while entirely believing what they're doing is the absolute wrong course of action.

>>581948704
Jewish families within their time tend to accumulate wealth. That wealth is passed onto their children and it culminates into their own businesses.

Personally, I am against this. I'm against inheritance. That doesn't mean that the Jews want to "take over the world" more than any other person. The only difference is that Jews have proven resourceful and thus make up a good portion of the bourgeois.

>>581948351
That makes sense unless you take into consideration a global economy ans trans national corperations.
As far as I see it without a massive war or true revolution we as a species are fucked, and we will take the world with us.

On a sidenote libertarianism is an interesting though extreme philosophical concept. it's disturbing how America is embracing it as an actual social choice...give it a couple more years and you will see true crazy.

>>581946975
But OP=faggot therefore anon=faggot

>>581949047
I can dig it. Although I personally enjoy the doctrine.

>>581948705
I can understand that. You could just as easily buy into the Flying Spaghetti Monster by that logic. Thank you.

>>581931168
To manipulate perspective. Perspective is the ever changing window through which we observe the world. To change the way you think about things is to change your philosophy.

>>581931768
Not even a theist, and even I know this is bs.

The bread and the wine's "substance" changes from bread and wine to body and blood, while their "accidental" surface features do not change. NOT a contradiction. Just nonsense.

And most theists say God COULD NOT create a rock too heavy for him to lift, because this is a nonsensical proposition. Theists say God can do all things WHICH ARE POSSIBLE IN THEORY.

Philosophy of Religion 101. :)

This question pertains to 4chan and /b/.

Most people here who express view-points don't genuinely believe them. Almost everyone here is able to immediately understand when someone is trolling.

So despite this, what do you think drives people here to constantly give fake view-points in an attempt to troll, even though everyone knows immediately that the view-points are fake?

>>581949380
Really, just take that isolated village and extend it to the whole world. All lost jobs go somewhere unless they've been automated.

God, I remember some guy tried to start up thinktank threads a long while back. This reminds me of that. This environment of constant questioning, critical thinking and understanding is just so intoxicating. I love it.

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Anyone here enjoy listening to some of Alan Watt's old lectures?

>>581949676
I know I get a thrill out of making satire out of positions that I don't agree with

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>>581949302
I seriously don't think you get what I'm saying. Since you didn't read the talmud, perhaps you should know that it literally states that all other races other than jewish are less than animals and should be treated as such.

Or I guess you can just read this quote, if that's not enough for you. Go ahead, fact check it.

>>581949302
Your as naive as a baby.

Even if pre1939 what you say is true...Hitlers legacy was a Jewish people who understood that without power they would be wiped from the face of the earth...you think Jews are stupid enough to let that happen...esspecially a people who control that much wealth?

This is now an ANALytic vs CUNTinental thread.

Personally, I think that since CUNTinental philosophers are simply impossible to read without dictionaries FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PHILOSOPHER, the CUNTinentals should have to prove their worth to the rest of us.

I will stick with my ANALytic philosophy, thank you.

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>>581948351
>>581948260
>>581948120

Listen guys I'm not going to reply to all of you.

Basically, you need to learn about evolution.

I know that the lower class is not going to only have 1 or 0 kids. Its more of a suggestion. They're stupid and yeah, its not really their fault. Northern humans are smarter than southern humans. People have to come to terms with this. Its the main reason people get confused and upset.

Taking money from the rich, who have figured everything out, an giving it to the poor, is not going to solve anything, its only going to make things worse. You're giving power to the dumbest people in mass. It is not a good idea.

Oh and all this communist crap is basically like capitalism, but in a simpler and inaccurate form.
Communism is basically guessing where things should go while capitalism is more natural and efficient.

>>581949615
But that's the problem with omnipotence is that if it doesn't cover every basis, then you can't refer to it as being "all powerful". But because of these contradictions, two states cannot coexist. A contradiction is usually either impossible for all intents and purposes, or it merely appears as such, but has some kind of solution. Because of this, the most logical conclusion would be that omnipotence cannot exist.

>>581949846
Zionism is as much as a problem as racism in the southern United States and misogyny in the Middle East.

Want to know who else wants their race to succeed above all others?
>Al Queda
>Klu Klux Klan
>Fascist Germany

Israel is no different. Just don't lump all of Jews into that category of extremism. It's simply not true.

>>581950003
Can you give me a simple summary of the differences between ANALytic and CUNTinental philosophy?

>>581950089
Your right...one of the changes that makes any sense socially right now is the west never giving aid to countries with expanding populations...not tying aid to control of population growth is possibly the craziest thing I have ever heard of.

>>581949827
Yes, but the only reason most people would do such a thing is because they find it funny. However, most people consistently state that they know someone is arguing a point they don't actually agree with, and they don't find it funny. So at the moment it seems everyone just doesn't want to admit that it is actually funny. Perhaps they find it funny to pretend it's not funny? I don't personally find that very funny. Any other possibilities?

>>581950003
I really don't believe you understand philosophy as well as you do considering how dismissive you are of philosophers such as Heidegger and Spinoza.

>>581949738
The whole basis of your viewpoint would be a single world government, that will happen just after the whole of Israel converts to bhudism.

>>581949676
Either the illusion that they don't know that everyone else knows they're retarded, the ability to make satire out of a position they disagree with like the other anon, or to find out other possible ways that would lead to the same conclusion as their preconceived judgement.

There might be more ways, but those are the main three I could think of.

>>581950089
I am sick of hearing that I want to "take money from the rich and give it to the poor". That's the kind of extreme oversimplification that tends to blur what communism really stands for.

>>581950089
>implying knowledge is all it takes to make capital, and not natural resources...
>implying those who control or natural resources aren't in control of humanity
What? This isn't the pioneer days where everything is up for grabs and all you have to do is work for it.

>>581950089
Bizarre. Very blatant, yet also very subtle trolling.

>>581930886
Not ad deep as the dick in op's ass

>>581950352
>thinks racism exists in significant numbers
>thinks misogyny exists in significant numbers
>thinks any of these people have anywhere near as much power as the jews

The rothschild family alone owns over 10 percent of the world's wealth.

You emasculated social justice faggot, open your eyes and stop sprouting bullshit. You debate like you're 13 years old.

>>581951084
But your absolutely fine with the rich redistributing wealth massively from the poor I assume, you know like what's occured in the last decade.

>>581950910
Not really. If manufacturing jobs leave one country, where do they go? Overseas where labour is cheap. Approximately the same amount of jobs, they just moved countries.

>>581950089
Everything you said is a prime example of why the poor are uneducated and, well... poor. You believe that you're superior because of certain circumstances. I don't think people are intrinsically equal, but I believe that what is "equal" is relative. So you have to go in with a mindset that we are equal. Similarly, not all poor people are stupid or uneducated, and not all rich people are intelligent or educated. Taking away jobs and power from the poor isn't going to solve anything. It's merely going to make them angrier and less informed, thus more likely to make poor decisions. Giving poor people the chance to make more money and be more educated means they can prevent the rich from taking advantage of them. The rich haven't "figured everything out" they've merely found ways to take advantage of the system to benefit themselves.

You have a preconceived notion that poor people are stupid because they're poor. While in reality, most aren't stupid, merely uneducated. Why are they uneducated? Because they either don't have the resources to educate themselves, or are born into an environment that prevents them from being educated for some other reason. Either way, this root problem isn't fixed by taking away chances and opportunity from them. Quite the opposite, in fact...

>>581951571
Yes...but you left out what impact that has...and therefore no conclusion.

>>581951332
Again, I must stress. We've reached an impasse. We will not find common ground. Continuing the debate does nothing.

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This philosophy thread fails. I don't believe there are any philosophy majors here besides myself. Later fags

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Do philosophers philosophize about being philosophical?

>>581952097
>i pay money to study philosophy
i bet you buy bottled water too don't you

>>581952097
I minored in philosophy and majored in political history, does that count?

>>581951367
I'm not even sure what you mean by that. Of course I'm not plau with the rich redistributing wealth from the poor. That's exactly what communism is against.

>>581952290
yes, it's called sophistry and has been going on for a long long time

>>581952097
As if philosophy cannot be accessed by the layman?

The majority of humans wish to extend their existence in some form.

I know many atheists that would like to live forever.

In religion, there is the concept of everlasting life, living on after your death.

However, I rarely meet anyone who is content with merely letting their consciousness or existence fade entirely. Ultimately, we fear the unknown. It's impossible to understand the concept of nothingness. So rather than asking the question with an obvious answer "Why do we fear death" it's the reverse. Some are perfectly content with letting their existence fade entirely. Why?

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>>581939346
I believe in the existence of a higher being, so I must reject communism in all it's forms.

Thanks for offering, Officer Stein.

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>>581948652
Therefore?

Not a single person has come out to play with my bro neitzche. Motherfuckers be scared of my nigga and his will to power. We all some competitive Motherfuckers and be living for the competition. Only thing that makes us truly happy. Religion is a curse since it stifles that natural competitiveness.

>>581951945
My problem is that I've recited mountains of facts backing my claims and you haven't. You've said literally nothing but implied me to be a racist and attempted to water down reality because it doesn't suit you. Exactly the kind of cancerous behavior that's murdering the west.

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>>581952293
I was on a scholarship all my years at Cal. Bow down to your intellectual superior.

when was the last time a philosopher discussed art

>>581951906
...you need it spelled out what the consequences are of there not being enough jobs to go around?

You get that hundredth worker. You get a population of able-bodied adults with no place to go. They either work shit jobs with a high turnover rate, they mooch off of their parents, or they become the hopeless helpless homeless, living in shelters and gutters until they starve or freeze or one of their peers shanks them.

There are not enough jobs for everyone. Trying to artificially create jobs for everyone would be moving backward. If we want to move forward, we need to acknowledge that yes, there are not enough jobs for everyone, therefore it is not ethical or responsible to demand that everyone have a job if they want food, shelter, communication, et cetera. The economies we've built got us through the last couple thousand years, but we are in the process of outgrowing them.

>>581952857
Your "facts" are little more than circumstantial evidence. So fuck off.

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>>581930605
Who can simulate the effects of black cock in your ass? None other than nigger.

>>581931217
He would still be all powerful as he would still be in control of the stone.

>>581952857
Warrants are for those who can't extend logic. All sources are biased on a moral topic such as racism. Objectivity don't exist nigga, therefore if you ain't talking about something that is quantifiable and material, keep that shit to yourself.

>>581953008
i'm meant to be envious of your american education?
oh wow you are something else anon

>>581952823
I love Nietzsche bra. The concept of the Will to Power, his declaration that God is dead, and many other ideas that he created are ideas that I agreed with before I even knew he existed. I had developed so many ideas in my head, and when I read about him, it was like I was reading the very ideas I had come up with.

>>581953076
>Your facts don't suit me, so they don't matter

Beautiful example of Marxism. Bravo. My point has been proven. Sayonara.

>>581952690
The reason why I would be content with fading entirely is because I'm not important on the large scale I don't think. I'm important to some, but not to most. There's nothing I bring to the table that someone else on this pale blue dot couldn't do better. However, I don't usually think about dying. I just want to make my experience as great as possible, and make those around mine just as great. If I were to die though, I wouldn't face it with panic or anger or grief or regret. I would face it with serenity. There's no reason to leave to me, but if I have to leave by certain circumstances then I'm entirely okay with that.

>>581953249
as in how?

>>581952592
You are correct. But what is lost on the layman is the rigor of the academic setting.

>>581952857
The term rascist is now being used to force division between people in the west.
It as a word demands that you are repulsed from anyone who shows any anger at mass immigration and the damage it does to countries.
It's modern terminology is vital to the feminist movement as, without mass immigration women would have to have more baby's to maintain population number's, and that would end the women's movement in a decade.

>>581953523
Farewell. I hope you have a pleasant life.

>>581953437
Same nigga. You got a will to my heart.

>>581953358
>objectivity doesn't exist

>i.e. reality doesn't exist

> physics doesn't exist

> math doesn't exist

> law doesn't exist

>facts do not exist.

Laughing my ass off.

ITT: hurr durr

>>581952097
The shortest route from my dorm to Engineering took me through the Philosophy hallway (when it wasn't nice out). Does that count?

>>581952823
Ah, but you still have an Achilles heel.

so do you guys just fap to history or do any of you actually do philosophy

>>581953526
I understand your point, but death is an absolute. You cannot care about your significance or insignificance if you don't exist. Living on in some form allows you to continue being, perpetuating your own happiness, and caring about the ideas that make you want to live.

>>581953047
Your replying to the wrong person...what you wrote is an expansion of my point against the guy thinking the world is a village.

>>581953942
These guys are all bozos

>>581953942
The two go hand in hand, my friend. Philosophy would not exist had there not been a history.

Nietzsche sucked? That's about all I remember from the one semester I took in Community. To be honest, too much of philosophy relies on religion, and not enough on people like Nietzsche. I may hate how he puts things, but at least he is reasonable, and more than likely correct.

>>581930605
youtube.com/watch?v=KnbAjfJDCqY

>>581953793
Did you not read the whole material part? Nigga, you a damn shame, cause you read the first part and make assumptions. That just make an ass out of u and me

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>>581953793
Black cock doesn't exist

>>581953793
There isn't a physical objectivity to be had when talking about abstract concepts. You can't quantify something that doesn't physically exist. It's a battle of relative ideas about the nature of existence. You're simply deliberately misinterpreting what he said.

>>581953723
The term Racism was made famous by Trotsky to neuter european pride. It was built as a direct weapon against the west, just like marxism and the two are heavily intertwined. It was always used in such a way, fellow friend.

>>581954124
The world Is a village. It's a very, very large village with finite resources and a finite number of people. Just because the thought experiment only includes 100 people doesn't mean it won't yield useful data about 7 billion. My original point was that there simply are not enough jobs for all the world's workers anymore, and that there never will be again.

>>581954337
Woooooo. Troll over bitch. Thank you my nigga.

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>>581953942
Fap. but this threw my rythm off.

>>581954158
The nazis social experiment totally discredited neitzche and sadly his good ideas got thrown out with everything else because of that.

>>581953993
Yes, but I don't think there's really need to talk about the aftermath if... well, there is no aftermath. I'm just talking about when it's clear that it's the end for me. If I lived on in some form, I could keep working to understand the world and helping those around me, but when faced with my demise, wishing for such things is only just a great way to torture yourself.

>>581954527
No problem.

>>581953609
Fair enough. But the true philosopher never really leaves his seat of observing, learning, and changing. It is naturally rigorous. One day, I will make an effort to learn the philosophies, ancient and modern, and compare them to that of my own, wrought by the naked observations of my experience.

>>581934393
Sophie's World, it's a novelization of the history of Western philosophy. Damn good introduction to most of the important thinkers.

>>581954158
I don't believe you studied enough philosophy. Right now analytic philosophy is all the rage and none of it has anything to do with God in any way. Unless you engage in philosophy of religion. All about God.

>>581954627
Not to mention his bitch of a sister modifying his documents and directly giving them to Hitler to support his Nazi propaganda.

>>581954627
His niggas were right tho. He was violently out of wack. You read his later writings? They were just released a couple years ago nig. They bat shit crazy.

>>581953743
My life is pretty great as is.

>>581954271
Again. You're stating that facts do not exist. I stated real facts that will be, regardless of opinion. I gave them to a communist who had the exact opposite views of me, and not even he could dispute them.

>>581954358
Are you seriously implying that racism doesn't exist and is instead a construction of certain people to achieve some end?

You've really gone off the deep end, comrade.

>>581954658
True. You're basically correct. Still, I wouldn't think it too far-fetched that we may find ways to continue existing.

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>>581954702

All I know about racism is it's BS. Not because some people aren't the best and everyone shouldn't bow down to them, but because those people can be of any race. Ghandi, Mother Theresa (at least how she acted), Bill Clinton, and, if you actually look into who he really was, Vlad III, Prince of Wallachia. All great people, all different races. Just better than everyone, regardless of race.

>>581954858
Granted I didn't read the whole conversation, so if you're giving facts while discussing an abstract concept that still pertains to society and physical issues, then facts help. Ultimately they aren't the deciding factor regarding a battle of abstract ideas about how a system should work. It's up to the argument.

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>>581954991
Oh, no. I don't mean to say that I want to die. I'm just saying if I was met with it, I could accept it. I would fight for it, as the benefit would be much greater if I did. It's just... if there wasn't a way too, I could accept it. I enjoy the world as it is. I don't want to leave now.

>>581954858
You act as if Marxism allows for facts to be credited. . It's created to go against reason because all of those with with ability to do it are part of the bourgia. It was satiring Marxism.

>>581954523
As with all analysis of a small group in observed conditions its actual benefits wil
be overestimated pretty much automatically, you know...like you have done.

>>581954627
...y'know, were I the tinfoil hat type, I might suppose that that was the goal. If I bought into >>581943939, I might suppose that, in addition to giving Zionists a huge victim card, the holocaust effectively steered the western world far away from nihilism and kept them solidly capitalist.

Were I the sort of person to jump to conclusions like that.

>>581954858
Of course you're argument was and is started to fall out of the realm of philosophy and heading towards history/politics.

>>581954979
>what is the school of frankfurt
>what is critical theory
>what is cultural marxism
>what is modern day america

Reality and your opinion are at odds. Comrade.

>>581955005
This, I know :) Kind of an early realization for most thinkers, I would presume, who are willing to challenge their ego.

>>581955371
I'm not convinced that's happened here.

>>581954702
I believe the true purpose of studying philosophy in an academic setting is to learn how to write philosophy papers. How to properly engage in philosophical arguments. In essence, I was afforded the opportunity to engage in philosophical debate with world class intellectuals.

>>581950451
>philosophy
Analytic philosophy views itself as continuous with natural science, and is written in a style that is rigorous and precise. Most papers focus on a detailed analysis of a very particular issue.

Continental philosophy is written in a literary and allusive style, and is more concerned with "big picture" issues. Most authors strangely seem to assume that Sausserian linguistics and Jungian psychology are correct, even though both are outdated.

>>581955534
We'll see what system wins in the end. ;)

>>581954804
Two points:
1. Nietzsche was not an analytic philosopher, he was a continental philosopher
2. Continental philosophy is "all the rage", especially in the West

The latter point is unfortunate but true

>>58195497
Your statement can only be true if the only people who are rascist are white.

I that is not the case then his context is absolutely correct.

I would argue black, Asian and middle eastern people as a whole are far more rascist and have far more rascist people amongst them.

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>>581955220
>Bill Clinton

>>581952690
Because they've realized how meaningless existence truly is.

>>581955279
I disagree. All systems and societies are based off fact and objectivity, as I've previously stated far earlier in this thread.

>>581955319
Good point. I'm just happy I can keep proving it.

>>581955501
Fair enough. I wasn't the one who first brought up politics if it matters to you, however.

What's wrong with the world, mama?

>>581955696
Sounds like I would identify with continental philosophy more on a personal level.

>>581950003
Off of that brief description, I don't think a philosopher should have to "prove their worth" as you put it. Every person provides a new and unique subjective perspective, which are each, if validated by logic, valuable in their own sense. That's my opinion of course, but.

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>>581956008
No no baby, it's not what's wrong, it's what's right.

>>581955376
That couldn't be true, if it was then America would give over 3billion$ a year in aid to Israel and israel would spend over a billion $ a year influencing American politicians.

That couldn't be the case.

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>>581956008
A portion of the Jewish population have gained total control of all academic, financial, and media institutions and are using their influence to exact their agendas on all peoples.

>>581955969
I don't necessarily disagree or agree. It's complicated. I believe that when you're strongly pertaining to a society with little actual discussion pertaining to philosophy, facts are the deciding factor. But depending on the argument, even if it's about our society, facts aren't necessarily going to solve an issue when the basis of the problem lies in the systems which are based off of the abstract ideas of men.

>>581952857
there is no conspiracy, bruh. Just superior genetics. Sars, I know you wanted to be able to blame your failure one somebody else.

While you're at it, and since this is a philosophy thread, you should read Thomas Kuhn's account of how we come to interpret evidence, and Larry Laudan's responses.

>>581949676
How do we know that what you've just stated right now isn't a fake view-point?

How do we know if what I just stated right now is a fake view-point?

>>581956008
People livin' like they ain't got no mamas

>>581948652
faggot.

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>>581930605
You know there is a whole board dedicated to this type of stuff and they are better suited to discuss philosophy than the board that has the loli and fury threads

>>581956415
It's not a view-point/position. It's a inquiry.

*CHA-CHING!*

>>581956487
I think the whole world addicted to the drama

You are now aware of the fact that you are an isolated brain. Nothing is real. /b/ went to shit just reposting old shit and a bit of terrible bullshit everyday. Every new video game is the same shit with a new coat of paint. Nothing ever changes in your life. The people are the same everywhere you go, if you manage to meet someone new they are just a reskinned verison of someone else you met earlier. Can you remember the last time you went someplace new? Can you remember what you were doing a few second ago? Can you remember a time when you weren't coming to 4chan? No, you can't. It's not a coincidence, your mind is having trouble coming up with new ideas. You also just achieved CHIM.

>>581956559
What board?

>>581956615
Only attracted to things that'll bring you trauma

>>581955815
This is not true in the academic world. Nietzsche goes largely ignored. It is the ramblings of the ignorati, pretending to understand what Nietzsche had to say. Many of his ideas are being credited to the post-modernists and that is an outright shame.

>>581956349
Facts solve all the issues, because only abstract concepts can be flawed to begin with. Facts are simply truths to be used to our advantage. Subjectivity is a cancer of the mind, again, as I've previously stated.

>>581956572
>*CHA-CHING!+

Where do I collect my money for being an obvious fucking retard?

>>581956715
/lit/

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>>581956752

>>581956405
>is no conspiracy

>literally just posted a picture with a real quote of the prime minister of israel saying the jewish people own america.

You have got to be shitting me.

>>581939346
faggot commie.

>>581956629
I...I remember.

>>581956765
I sincerely disagree with you. The reason is because facts are generated from our curiosity. Facts don't exist to rule, they exist to support arguments. These arguments are ultimately abstract. Everything is subjective to some extent. Similarly, everything is relative to some extent.

>>581956890
It's okay bby. I got the point you were trying to make. <3

>>581956752
Overseas, yeah, we try to stop terrorism

>>581957025
Facts are precisely what do not exist, only interpretation.

>>581957210
But we still got terrorists here livin'
In the USA, the big CIA

>>581957197
Holy cornhole, that reply just made me hard. This philosophy shit is real good stuff.

>>581955552
Okay. But that is not where it ends. Ultimately philosophy is for the self, because the self is all that there is for every person. Philosophy derives from natural curiosity, and is not an esoteric subject matter you spend some time in in school. The natural philosopher, which, in my opinion is everyone, only needs be ignited. When it becomes the mainstay of their existence, the incessant background to nearly every interaction, philosophy is not a subject matter, it is everything.

>>581957323
Thank you. Precisely what I've been trying to say.

>>581957210
>>581957357
Quiet, niggers.

>>581956998
Fair enough.

>>581956923
But... then I'd have to have read and done prior research. I'm just a layman, and those people who already have experience intimidate me with there expansive knowledge. I just have no idea where to start, though The Republic and Sophie's World sound like good ideas.

>>581955801
sounds good to me, because nationalism is at an all time high in europe. Your friends are about to get wasted.

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Adolf Hitler's government was based on hate (which there was no shortage of at the time) and was extremely effective. Modern governments are based on peace, freedom and tolerance which are rare these days and consequentially those governments are extremely ineffective.

All that being said, the world would be a better place right now if Hitler won the war. That's depressing.

>>581957025
>fact exist to support are arguments

That's literally the definition of reverse causation, which is a pristine example of modern day pseudointellectualism. This conversation is over, you're just going to spin facts into falsities until nothing is real in your eyes.

>>581957521
Sounds like a troll post
But yeah the republic is a great place to start
The Greeks in general. They pretty much are the founders of philosophy and their philosophy has affected the western world a great deal.

Loving yourself is a paradox.

>>581957936
*our

>>581957012

Are you sure about that? Are the memories real? You can never catch the present moment, all you can do is try to remember what happend a few milliseconds ago.

Chances are you are going to be sitting here browsing /b/ and then suddenly realize you are in the bathroom taking a piss. How did I get here? I can barely remember getting up and walking in here...

>>581931168
To arrive at truth through various perspectives and to understand everything more definitely.

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>>581958038
I GOT Y33
MAKEWAY FOR THE DINO KING

>>581957943
Wait, why would it be a troll post? ... Well I can think of why, but it's not. That was sincere.

>>581947219
And that is why it is a belief. Anti-Climacus says that the Christian faith is the embrace of the paradox of religion. That god can be infinite and finite is so incredibly paradoxical that it requires a leap of *faith* to accept it. That is what god is. The leap of faith between the believer and god.

>>581930605
no

>>581949613
I like this interpretation. It makes me hard.

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>>581957787
A common enemy creates unity and peace through complete unity.

Hitler was the hero that the world needed Alas, history always favors the victor.

>>581930605
Philosophy simplified. Life has no extrinsic predetermined meaning. Searching for it produces nothing but insanity. But, life without meaning is beyond cruel and pointless. So, we have to create our own meaning. Stop searching, start creating. Done.

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>>581957936
I fail to see how that means I'm going to twist facts into falsities. Facts exist to serve an argument. The point is that they only have meaning in context. That context is the argument to further ones point. An argument that exists to support a fact is the process you go through to make sure the fact is correct. Not that any fact is ultimate anyways, because all things are subjective to some extent. No, I'm not trying to twist facts into falsities, I'm letting you understand that a fact isn't black and white, which is also how you seem to view the world.

Nevermind though, you're clearly a troll.

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>>581933967

>>581958283
Sounded like a troll post. /lit/ is a great place to get recommendations for new books and to learn about new philosophies. Of course there will be the shit posters. And when you ask where to start with philosophy the will almost all say "the Greeks" but it's true they have shaped the entire western world. It has been suggested by some atheist that Jesus was based of Socrates's. I don't know much about that but its something to consider and the bible does have a lot of similar traits as some Greek philosophy. So don't shy away from /lit/ its probably the best board on 4chan

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>>581959698

>>581959269
Yeah, but collaboration towards creation is much more effective than just making it yourself. With a group involved you can get different self-made perspectives and subjective meanings, and compare them with the goal of improving your own.

That's why I like philosophical discussion.

>>581959691
Alright, I will definitely give it a try. I just want to be well-versed before I get there.

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>>581959872

>>581959269
That's not philosophy, that's A philosophy (absurdism)
There are many different philosophies and all of them are speculation and ideas. Many of which are interesting and make sense but because something makes sense doesn't mean its true

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>>581960080

>>581960145
True, it is A philosophy but also THE philosophy. Not debating truth, but just stating fact. All other philosophy, while possibly meaningful is just mental gymnastics.

>>581960460
You think you know everything because you have read a little Camus and Sartre
There is a reason its called "philosophy" and not just regarded as fact
Because in the end its all speculation and you don't know and thinking you do makes you sound like and edge lord

>>581957936
OHHHHHHHHHHHH SHIT CALL THE DOCTOR WE HAVE A BURN.

Time to save this entire thread in screencaps.

Huzzah.

>>581962367
why

>>581962694
I find it interesting, and there's a lot of shit I missed. Hell, I could come back to these perspectives an a year or two and think I was literally retarded.