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Marines have flamethrowers and fuel for 1000 years, the fight takes place on an infinite plain, no black holes, starvation, old age or disease, just fighting untill 1 side is wiped out.
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>>580995843
bumpity bump
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Marines
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>>580996130
why?
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I need to figure out how many ants it would take to equal the weight of the average marine. Does this include the weight of equipment or clothing?
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>>580996663
i dont see why that is relevant.
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>>580995843
yall niggers don't know how big graham's number is
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It couldn't possibly take place. Do you even know how big Graham's number is? There isn't enough space in the universe to even write it out. You couldn't even come close with arrow notation.
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>>580996503
Assuming they're regular ants, The marines would (After running out of fuel) Could just walk on them.
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>>580997064
No. You wouldn't, would you? Of course not, being so limited in imagination.
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Obviously the ants.
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>>580995843
do the ants actively fight the marines or are they just being ants?

I also like that you took a (as yet) unknown number for the ants. Isn't the last number a 1?

also bet is on the ants... even G1 is massive.
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>>580997359

>infinite plain nigger
>implying a finite value couldn't fit in infinity
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>>580997438
A googolplex of marines would die of old age before threading on even 0.1% off the ants.
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>>580995843
even if the number of ants was the amount of marines multiplied by the weight of all the marines the ants would still loose, even if they were some genetically engeneered evil fucking hitler ant they would still loose. imagine on this infinite plane the marines are shoulder to shoulder in a massive line, no second row of men, thats it. then the ants are facing them off, their the same length front, but their forces stretch back 100km into the distance, and their stacked twice as tall as a marine. the flamethrowers still burn them like fucking crazy man, have you ever burnt insects, they last 0.00002/10s of a second.
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>>580997476
explain

>>580997359
it takes place on an infinite plain which is not in this universe.

>>580997671
they fight to the death.

>>580997818
nobody dies of old age.
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>>580995843
can a normal ant even do anything to a person?
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the ants would win easy
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>>580997845
how long would it take for them to kill all the ants?
spoiler: its longer than 1000 years

>>580997957
they can bite, it hurts a bit.
they also piss into the wound which makes it hurt more.
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>>580997881
>nobody dies of old age.

fuck your shit
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>>580997724
>>580997881
Plane* you dumbfucks.
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>>580995843

How much is graham's number divided by googleplex? so how many ants per marine are we talking about?
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>>580996663
The mass of the ants would definitely be a lot greater than the the mass of the marines, even with gear and a few humvees.
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>>580995843
Marines would get bored and start fucking the ants.
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>>580997881
Depends on marine supplies and if ants are breeding
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>>580998238

Maybe I'm fucking retarded, but I assumed "plain" as in a field.

But, again, maybe I'm just fucking retarded.
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>>580995843
well probably the ants because the marines would die of old age
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The ants. Anyone who disagrees has no idea just how big Graham's number is.

1000 years of flamethrowing isn't nearly enough. You could have a googleplex of googleplex marinse with a googleplex of years of flamethrowers and assumed immortality and it still won't be enough.

Not even close.
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>>580997818
dude if we're taking normal life spans into account, the marines would straight up outlast the ants
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You all are bad at math.

Marine would die a gruesome death as the newborn ant universe coalesces.
Do you know how retarded big this number is?
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Marines. Just fight at night!
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>>580998238

I was just quoting OP. You're the one who can't read well enough to understand the scenario.

Also:

plain (n): a large area of flat land with few trees.

Sorry you didn't get enough air when you were born though :)
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>>580998546
marines*
assumed immortality -> assumed longevity

I'm so drunk right now it's not even funny. My point still stands. Graham's number is too big. Fuck ants, the marines would lose by default if normal physics applied and that many atoms existed in the universe.
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>>580998331
marines have ammo for 1000 years, they dont need other supplies, they do get tired tho.
Ants are not breeding
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>>580997818
Normally yes, but in this case you can't die of old age.
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Ok ok someone please explain Graham's number to me
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>>580995843
The sheere mass of bodies would create a gravitational pull
pulling both sides into the center of mass creating a mass of Marants given enough time the would be compressed into a ball of pure oil
2 weeks later the U.S decide they need to "liberate" the ball of pure oil
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>>580998645

Well obviously i really don't. I tried to read the wiki but I am to drunk to understand what the hell I'm reading.
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>>580998331
Doesn't depend. The ants win. There are too many ants. I don't even want to think about that number as a number, let alone as a quantity of anything.
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>>580998975
it's bigger than the number of atoms in the universe, so multiply that by ants

yeah marines won't be enough
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>>580998258
dude, even if every marine had their own galaxy the ants would still be more massive.
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>>580998948
3 x 3 x 3 x3 ad infinitum
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this question is so hypothetical it's not even fun to argue about it. god i hate shitposting
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you niggas dont even understand that if you took every atom in our universe and made each atom the size of our universe and then made those atoms into lead it still wouldnt weigh as much as grahms number
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>>580999538
Kek
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>>580998757
that only works against the sun
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>>580999382
The ants would be more massive than a googleplex of universes. By more than a googleplex-fold. Graham's number is stupid.
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Do they have choppers? If they do then Marines win because they can just fly over them and douse them in fuel and light them.
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>>580995843
Those aren't Marines in the picture you fucking nigger, those are soldiers. This thread is invalid

Captcha: kill yourself
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>>580998948
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTeJ64KD5cg
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USMC
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>>580995843
Well you see OP, fuck the Marine Corps
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>>580999907

Yeah this is a real marine everyone knows that.
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>>580998423
You assumed wrong dumb dumb
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The ratio of their masses would be far greater than the ratio of a galaxy's mass to an electron's mass.

Forget the flamethrowers. You could give the Marines advanced weapons technology that kills trillions of ants for every picojoule of energy expended -- but even then the Marines would only succeed in killing such a tiny proportion of the ants that it would take special mathematical notation even to represent such a tiny number.
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>>580999815

They would still not have enough supplies to last long enough to kill the ants. That simply is not enough time or supplies to kill even a fraction of the ants.
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That is so many ants that the flames would get snuffed out before any damage was done. Ants would win.
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>>581000258

see proud faggot you're embarrassing yourself:

>>580998767
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>>581000265
To be fair, it'd be easy enough with the same notation we use for Graham's number.
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>>580995843
Give the marines an infinite number of micro mines scattered around the ground
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>>581000486
Agreed.
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>>580995843
What type of ants OP?
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They would all collapse under their own gravity and create a super massive black hole.
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Ants would obviously win. They would just have sex and create more ants. Meanwhile marines are pretty much all men.
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>>580998305
And throwing rocks
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>>580998248
orders of magnitudes are literally so incomprehensibly different that Graham's number divided by a googolplex would still be approximately equal to Graham's number
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>>580995843
too high to think lol
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wtf is this
grahms number of anything could beat
OMG OXYGEN
OMG WATER
OMG STEAK
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>>581000673
The marines would die from internal bleeding from all the shockwaves produced before the ants were anywhere close to dying.
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Ok faggots, read up:

the number of atoms in the universe is approx 10^78. now, googolplex ALONE is 10^10^100, which makes it already impossible to exist in a phyiscal form. now apply this to an infinitely larger number than googolplex such as graham's, but instead of counting it as atoms, turn it into ants.

you just blew up the universe you fuck faces
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>>580998767
>>580998767
NOONE SAYS INFINITE "plain". That's grammatically idiotic when the common saying when describing a large space is infinite plane
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>>581000726
any kind, its irrelevant
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>>581001375
Thank you.
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if your not a complete idiot the ants win.
try to get an understanding on magnitude.
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Fucking hell I haven't got a clue what half you are talking about but I'm rooting for the ants
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Marines, because that amounts of ants would not feasibly exist.
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>>581001015
Isn't graham's number something like (3^^^^3) 64 times, with one step being 3^^^^3 * 3^^^^3?
It's more than the number of particles in the milky way I think
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>>580998612
reproduction pls
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Oh oh, a scifi trope. Yay!
Empire of the Ants, Kingdom of the Ants, City, etc, etc...

Spoiler: the ants win.
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>>581001375
IT OCCURS ON AN INFINITE PLAIN YOU IDIOT!!!
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>>580995843
>marines
>pic of army

Kekbya
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>>581001634
3^^^^3 is g1
g2 is the same but the number of arrows(^) is g1.
graham's number is g64
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>>581001780
Gravity.
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are the marines breeding?
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Ants would win.
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>>581001938
Yeah that's the issue. G1 is something you can get your head around, despite being very large already. G2 just takes it too far and fuck G64 sideways with a rake.

I get more scared by this shit than anything else. It's like the minds of men have conjured an unfathomable universe immune to any inspection bar those with the mental fortitude to weather its storms. God damn. We have no business dealing with numbers that large.
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>>580998546
I agree with this guy
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>>581002080
IIIIIIINNNNNNFFFFIIIINNNIIITTTEEEE PPPPLLLLLAAAAIIIIIIINNNNN. WHERE THE DEER AND THE ANTELOPE PLAY
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ants
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>>581000789

A good point, and one worth exploring. It would depend on the ants' density. I think if the ants' density was what you normally find in an ant colony, I wouldn't worry about the gravitational attraction creating a black hole.

I think a more serious issue is that the mass of the ants would exceed the mass of the known universe. The mass of the known universe is quite a small number -- certainly less than 10^1000000 kg. That's not nearly enough mass to create a Graham number of ants.
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>>581002080
So the sheer mass of the ants forms supermassive black holes. The center of our galaxy is made of ants.
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Fuck your shit.
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>>580998248
A googolplex is a 1 followed by a googol zeroes.

If one digit is the size of a Planck's length there still isn't enough room in the entire universe to contain all the digits of Grahams number.

Even the number of digits in Grahams number is incomprehensibly large
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>>580998948
3^^^^3 * 3^^^^3, 64 times. 3^3 is 9, 3^^3 is 3 to the power of 27.
It's a big number, but was somehow used in a mathematical proof.
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>>581001430
You are next level retarded.
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>>581002437
For some reason I lold at "the mass of the ants would exceed the mass of the known universe."

I love /b/ conversations.
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So I just read what grahams number actually is, and googolplex is a ridiculous fart in comparison, its a grain of sand compared to the entire known universe times a thousand. googolplex marines couldn't incinerate a grahams number amount of ants before the heat death of the universe, which would be so stuffed with ants that it's essentially just one massive black hole
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>>580995843
Seriously?

This thread is only to show how foolish people are and uneducated.

Everyone please educate yourself on how absolutely astonishingly huge Graham's Number is.
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>>580998948
>>580998975
Imagine a Planck unit. You can't, but try.
It's a measurement so ridiculously small, it's really only useful for theoretics, or for measuring shit like the things that make up the things that make up the things that make up the things that atoms are made of.

Now, imagine that each Planck volume, that could fit only a few of these things that make up the things, et cetera, represents a single digit of a number.

If you then tried to write out Graham's number, using these mathematically miniscule-ass fucking digits, you wouldn't be able to fit it inside the fucking UNIVERSE.
Not even CLOSE.
Even when EACH DIGIT is a fucking million times smaller than an ATOM.

THAT's how absurdly, monolithically fucking GARGANTUAN Graham's number is.
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>>581002590
It was an upper bound, I think. The solution was proven to be smaller than that number. Oddly that's sort of useful for mathematicians but I can't even make a simile for it. If I was to say 'it's like me describing an atom as smaller than the universe' I'm still too many orders of magnitude out.
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The marines would be to distracted looking for oil and destroying 3rd world countries
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>>580995843
>OP

you realize that a grams number of ants would be enough to pack the entire universe full of ants to the point of the edge of space time and then some
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>>581002913
Yes, but it's much, much bigger than that too. That's the easiest way to understand Graham's number. If you can conceive of something, it's bigger. By so much more that you weren't even close.
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>>580998967
Kek
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>>581003151
Yeah where have you been.
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>>581003091
>US
>looking for oil
>not having so much its not even profitable to drill in many places
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>>580997197
this
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>>581003091
don't the dead ants contain oil? you could refuel the flamethrowers with ant oil after it's all gone
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>>581002913
Jesus fucking Christ, thank you
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>>581003324
Until recently, anyway. Sideways drilling, man. Changed the game.
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>>580995843
haha are you retarded the ants will win easy. This is literally over a universe FULL of ants. If you assume a flat infinite plain (assuming the ants can choose their starting configuration) you could just have the ants stacked up GOOGLEPLEXES OF MILES HIGH. The motherfuckers could just FALL on the marines and they would kill them all.

I really think everyone in this thread is underestimating the sheer vastness of the ant borg
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anyone who think the marines would win is doesnt realize how big graham's number is
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>>580998929
If no ants burrow, 1000 years of flame fuel will not win it for the marines.
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A graham's number of ants would suffocate the marines. It would take up every bit of space in that "plane" so, assuming the ants are not flat on the ground, the marines would suffocate.

If, however, the ants were flat on the ground, the Marines would physically be unable to destroy every last ant.
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The marines would drown in ants
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>>581003221
Well, technicallt, my explanation didn't include an upper bound, so it describes anything up to and including practical infinity,
But, you I know what you mean.
It really doesn't even bear thinking about, except you're into some pretty high-level fucking mathematics, and even then it...
Well, thinking bout it is rarely justified, is what I'm saying.
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>>581003825
this! its so big you dont even use normal mathematical terms to write it...
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The marines would win just hide in a bunker coated with some kind of pheromone that drives the ants away let the ants die from cannibalism or starvation
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>>580995843
we dont even know what grahams number is .
but as the pic refers to it there wouldnt be enough space for the two to exist on a battle field.
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>>581004567
Graham's number is so large that it would take more atoms than in the observable universe to create a digital (numerical) representation of it (meaning to write out every single number, it would take up more space than the entire universe allots for)

So, as you said, 9/10 /b/ros here don't realize how large the number is.
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Ok, I'm not a retard but I am definitely in no way a mathematician. I've read the wikipedia page but without any understanding of the esoteric language I still have absolutely no idea what this number IS. Assuming, philosophically, that every number, real or imaginary, relates to something at least theoretical in the universe, what does Graham's number refer to?? If it is bigger than the universe, what the fuck is it? Answers in English for us "uneducated faggots" please.
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Graham's number is just way too big, it's for all practical purposes infinite.
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>>581005046
It's the number that a solution for a particular problem (I forget which) must be smaller than. It's also the biggest number ever used in a 'useful' context.
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>>581005292
>useful context

such as? is this just a word game that mathematicians play? how does this number "exist"?
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>>581005046
If each digit was the size of one millionth of an atom, it would still fill the entire universe several times over.
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>>581004076
The marines would be using their flamethrowers simply to get breaths for the seconds the ants take to reoccupy the space.
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>>581005292

> It's also the biggest number ever used in a 'useful' context.

I read that there was an even bigger number used in a solution to a more recent problem
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>>580996663
a googolplex of US tanks would way less than graham's number in ants.
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>>581005479

There was a mathematical problem.

It was solved by some guy.

The answer was so unusually big that he had to create a new notation to write it, and even then it was impossible to grasp how big it was.

This caught the attention of the mathematical community so they gave it a special name and called it Graham's number.
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Can't Graham's number be computed by a processor and represented on a screen? Yeah it might take a lifetime or several to scroll from top to bottom but it seems like that can be done. Jupiter didn't fit on earth but it's image fits on my screen.
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>>580995843
Statistically, the marine would have all killed each other by accident due to friendly fire within 100 or so years
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>>581005479
Useful in as much as it proves that the solution for that problem is lower than it. If you try to solve the problem but find a solution larger than G, either your solution is wrong or G is wrong. Most likely your solution is wrong.

You may question the use of such a large number as an upper bound but the difference between 'finite but fucking huge' and 'infinite' is very important in mathematics and gives you a lot of power. It's useful enough to exist in its own right, and interesting enough in just how large it is.

>>581005715
There might be now. To be honest G blew so many people's minds that it probably doesn't matter. I wonder how much bigger it is.
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>>581006059
Something along the lines of a notepad document with the number in would be 24tb in size.
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>>581006181
or they would drown in an ocean of burning ants
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>>581006059

Depends what you mean by "represented". If you mean represented by writing it in digits 0-9, then no, because there are so many digits in the number, the number of the digits themselves is greater than the number of atoms in the universe, let alone the number of atoms in any physical storage/memory device.

It can be represented by any number of special notations pretty easily, even on a small slip of paper, if you can devise them.
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>>581006181
what about the last marine?
and dont say he friendy fire'd himself, after 100 years he's not surviving on luck.
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>>581006059
It can if you use a particular notation like G. To write it out in base 10 or any other numeric base would be impossible. There aren't enough planck volumes in the universe to get close.

In other words, if the physical universe dedicated its existence to trying to represent this number in, say, base 10, it would fail. The number is too big.

>>581006357
Much more than 24tb, if it was written as an ordinary number in base 10. More than if every atom in the universe was a 24tb drive.
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Ants.
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Anyone who doesn't know how large Graham's Number is has no valid place in this argument. The ants would win.
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>>581005046
It's like imagining the impossible, so think about it like this.
We take a googolplex of marines. Then we fit the googolplex of marines inside one atom. Then we fill the entire universe with those atoms filled with googolplex of marines. Then we take a googolplex of those universes, and Graham's number is about googolplex times bigger than the number of marines in total. That's still not a Graham's number, but it should get to the ball park of how badly the marines would get their asses kicked by the ants.
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>>580995843
You fucking retards can't even comprehend how big a Googolplex is, let alone how big Grahams number is. The ants win, even single atoms slowly eroding away the marines would STILL win.. Fuck do some research guys
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>>581006637
So he's gonna hold off a Grahams number worth of ants by himself for 900 years on no sleep? give that man a medal!
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>>580998546
>googleplex
stay pleb faggot
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>>580996663
/thread
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Graham's number is so large there would be trillions ants per marine.
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>>580995843
The marines would win because
If they first lit up the ants into a blazing inferno, the fire would spread to all the other ants, faster and faster like a forest fire, the marines just had to run away and watch it at a distance
But 1000 years is not enough to burn them all though
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>>581006357
>>581006572
>>581006717
24TB or 1000TB, either way, it seems like electronically, it could be done.
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>number of ant equal to graham's number
yeah, that's more than the mass of our galaxy like several hundreds of orders of magnitude more.
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>>581007135

24 terabytes seems way too small. Can you explain this figure?
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>>581007135
As I said, you can represent it in a single character if you call it G and people know what you mean. As stated before, there aren't enough atoms in the universe to represent it as a base 10 number and, worse, the number of digits in G can't be represented in base 10 with the number of atoms in the universe).
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Like, if we set a program to calculate that number, would it just nope?
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The answer is ants, for a very simple reason. Because there is an infinite plane, it would take an infinite amount of time to find the last ant.
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Don't forget that without Air Support, the marines revert back into spoiled American cowards.
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>>581007359
Wasn't me. I asked the original question if we could represent it on a screen where the actual size of digits doesn't matter.
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>>581007407

It's not about the program, it's about the memory storage space.
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>>581007360
Yeah but there are only x atoms in this screen, but with it I can see many times the amount of this screen. (With scrolling)
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>>581007560
That would seem t work just as well for finding the last Marine, and thus argue for a tie.
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>>581007843
You don't understand. If every atom in the universe powered the screen and the rest was literally just the screen you still couldn't get near reading anywhere near how many digits are in G.

This goes for anyone talking about computers or calculations or representation. The universe is not big enough to contain G in base 10, or even the number of digits in it (and probably the number of digits in the number of digits, but I don't know for certain; I'd assume so).
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ants. marines will be shamed by the feminazis and will start crying about their emotional problems forced upon them by misogynist ants and surrender
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>>581007713
So how much memory? Like if we had a storage chip the size of a house? Cleveland? Norway? Antarctica? The Pacific Ocean? The moon? Earth? You can fit a few TB in something the size of a small box.
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Ants

/thread
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>>581007089
go check out what is Graham's number you idiot
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Ants would win. I can't even fathom how big graham's number actually is. But I work really well w/ large numbers. So here we go.

Each Marine could cover 150 sq yards per second max w/ a flame thrower (an extremely liberal estimate). They would have 31,557,600,000 seconds to kill the ants. So that's 4,733,640,000,000 sq yards each marine can cover. This all assumes that the Marine is 100% efficient for the entire 1000 years (no sleep, no eat, no reloading the flamethrower, no re-positioning or placement fuckups).

Assuming that 1,000 ants would fit in a square yard that means 1 marine could kill 150,000 ants per second, or 710,046,000,000,000,000 ants total.

Multiply this by a googolplex, and you have the maximum amount of ants the marines could kill. I didn't write it the total because I don't really have room, but it's a fathomable number smaller than graham's number.
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Ask 1 marine to kill the entire earth population of ants.
now multiply the number of ants with a googolplex ^ googolplex ^ googolplex.
he has a planck (10 ^ -44) second to do it.
that comparison isn't even near what would happen with a graham number of ants, therefore ants win, marines are absolutely nothing to it.
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>>581008193
Many, many, many times more than the universe.
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>>581008124
OK then we use a different base.

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO ANTS.
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Just attack at night
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Marines and it's no contest.

Anyone who says otherwise knows jack shit about insects OR marines.
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How can I get a calculator to math this.
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>>581008417
The base is what's relevant though; G in base G is just 10, but that doesn't help at all as a representation.
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Are the marines CoD warriors or actual marines?
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>>580995843
the winner would be the marines. the winner is at whatever side theres less fatalities. once the 2 sides decide to like in harmony, the loser would then be the ants due to their astronomical loss of lives.
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>>581008297
You all say its too big, so i added that 1000 years was not enough, did i do anything wrong?
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>>580995843
stupid question, retarded thread, saging for cancer
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>>581008547
>not understanding numbers
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>>581006059
this
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>>580995843
Thats army in your picture.... so Army or Marines? Pick one.
Faggot.
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>>581008773
the fight doesnt end untill 1 side is wiped out and the ants wont stop untill they are all dead or marines are all dead.
Also, 0.00000000000000(insert googolplex of zeroes here)...1% of the ants is plenty to kill all the marines.
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>>581008685
GUISE I DID IT GUISE. You were right it didn't quite fit on my screen but I got it!
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It never ends due to being unable to find the last ant,wondering an infinite plane.
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now I want to know what would Graham's number look like in a base of 10^10000000000000000.
how many digits and would it fit on earths base covered with paper (i don't know how to say 2r*pi in english so i said base)
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>>581008815

Everyone knows about Graham's number. You're not smart because you heard of Graham's number, faggot.

But you are an idiot of you think, with OP's provisions of no sleep and 1000 years of FLAMETHROWER fuel (not counting other forms of ammo or improvised combat techniques, that is) that the ants stand any chance.

They are not even smart enough to wipe out 10 of the marines. They do not have the hardware to kill any at all. And crushing them is out of the fucking question, don't tell me that's what you were thinking, retard.
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if the digits are the size of jerry seinfeld, would there be enough room in the multiverse for the ants?

if so, marines win.
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>>581009680
ants have to eat, dont they?
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I watched a really bad old movie once called Panic at Lakewood Manor where ppl got attacked by rampaging hordes of killer ants or at least I think it was ants it might have been bees or mice or something
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Graham's number is so large, that it's just absurd to even consider it, even talking about a graham's number of sub-atomic particles.

The fight would likely last for t roughly equal to infinity years, but considering the fact that ants don't possess the ability to kill, neither can they e.g. suffocate the marines by outnumbering them (because they're fighting on an infinite plain), then the marines would eventually win. Given the infinite plain, I don't think any number of ants could overpower that many marines with flamethrowers, because ants are non-aggressive.
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>>581006059
Yes it can be computed and u can witness this process, however there is no memory sufficiently large to store the result. However, you could theoretically start to "stream" the calculation. In this case the increasing entrophy of the would sooner or later become a problem before you can watch a fraction of this stream...
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>>581009481
there isn't enough matter in a googolplex of universes to 'write down' a grahams number
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>>581009828
oh shit. the marines could use a rhib to stay alfoat above the se of ants, and wait for them to starve wouldnt take long for them to run out of resources and die

good thinking
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>>581010047
Good explanation. Also, 'increasing entropy' == 'heat death of the universe'.
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>>581010284
life spoan of one ant with no food or water is like what a couple weeks tops.

also keep in mind the heat generated by the ants. they need oxygen, and would almost instantly respire all oxygen int he lower levels and without proper ventilation would suffocate in minutes

if ants arent immortal and marines have food and SCBA units they may have a chance eh?

what is the rate of self destruction of that much ants
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>>581010278
in a base of 10, no
but in some huge base sure there is
like in a base Graham's number
in that base it would be 1
but i want to know for instance in the base 10^1000000000000000000
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>>581008801
Here's an analogy for you.
Cotton is pretty harmless. But if you put enough of it on a tank, it will still crush it.
Numbers don't matter, graham's number is to big for anything else in the universe. If the marines are close enough to burn the ants, they should be already dead, crushed by a wave of infinite ants
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>>581006059
OKAY LISTEN UP FAGGOTS

a notepad document with one digit in it is 1 byte, two digits is 2 bytes, and so on.

The volume of the observable universe is 3.4 x 10^80 meters cubed. One planck volume is 4.22419 ×10^−105 meters cubed. Therefore the volume of the observable universe is roughly 8.29 x 10^184 planck volumes.

THE DIGITS IN GRAHAM'S NUMBER WOULD OCCUPY MORE PLANCK VOLUMES THAN THE OBSERVABLE UNIVERSE, BUT FOR THIS, LET'S PRETEND IT TAKES UP EXACTLY THE SPACE OF THE UNIVERSE.

So for argument's sake, we'll say graham's number has 8.29 x 10^184 digits, so on a notepad document, that would 8.29 x 10^184 bytes. That, friends, is 8.29 x 10^160 yottabytes.

8.29 x 10^160 yottabytes. THAT IS 8.29 X 10^160 TRILLION TERABYTES

DO YOU GET IT YET

ALMOST EVERY ATOM IN THE UNIVERSE WOULD HAVE TO BE A TERABYTE HARD DRIVE TO BE ABLE TO WRITE IT IN A NOTEPAD DOCUMENT

AND GRAHAM'S NUMBER HAS MORE DIGITS THAN WHAT I JUST CALCULATED FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE

FUCK YOU ALL
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>>581006059
Some guys in Germany invented a storage unit that stores one bit on 12 atoms. The ratio of bits per base10 digits converge at around 3.322, so you'd need to multiply Grahams number by 3.322 then multiply by 12 again in order to get the amount of atoms needed to store it.

Note that in normal harddrives it takes one million atoms to store one bit.
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The ants are going to win.

Since there is no starvation, and immortality, all the ants need to do is continue to dig and hide until the Marines exhaust their ammunition.

Then, the feast begins
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>>581010047
That's what I wanted to know. I already got it on my calculator tho.
>>581009251
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4~A:(3->A->3):64

how about a new notation to express graham's number?
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Marines would win. Fire would propagate between ants at an increasing exponential speed.

Assuming marines are bunched up, the Ants would never even be able to approach the marines as a huge inferno would be in the way with Graham's number of ants as fuel.
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What type of ant is it? Was this already asked?
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>>581012325
holy shit.

no it hasnt.
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>>581012325
one of them total rudeboy ants
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>>581007012
>trillions
>implying
Learn to ^10 faggot
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>>581012325
German antelopes
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>>581001647
Shut the fuck up nigger, holy shit
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What is the first digit in Graham's number? Also, is it a multiple of 3? Finally are the sum of ours digits a multiple of 3? Oh, what is the sum of it's digits?
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>>581011392
>graham's number
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>>580995843
I hope you don't bread
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Easiest way to fix this this is to multiply Graham's number by 0
Ants:0
Marines:1
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>>581011392
i think what he meant was:
make a program in c
program SOMEHOW calculates Graham's number
it takes him almost infinite years to calculate
printf("%d",Graham);
it takes another almost infinite years to print that shit out
but i think it could be possible
if only we had 8.29 X 10^160 TRILLION TERABYTES of RAM memory so the calculating be done in one second ;_;
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>>581011392
I can't even begin to comprehend such a number but for some reason I've ejaculated. A LOT.
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How the fuck is this thread still going???
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>>581013380
And I hope you don't Breed.
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>>581000000
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>>580995843
Both numbers can't even fit into the known universe even if they were the size of atoms.
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This whole thread is just regurgitating shit they've read on the wiki, the truth is we don't know how large the universe is, we don't know how large grahams number is. It's just.... very big.

However to the topic, if there were the amount of ants equal to grahms number it would create a super massive black hole that basically destroyed the universe. you can forget breeding, or lifespan, everything would just die instantly.

It's like trying to summon too many units in WC3 the game just crashes.
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>>581014642
>comparing real world to the game
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"A" Graham's number of ants, should they wish to destroy the Marines, would simply crush them under their enormous weight. No biting, stinging, or shooting necessary, anything of that magnitude would win against anything less than it.
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>>581003221

TREE(3)
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>>580995843
I don't think anyone in this thread understand just how big a number graham's number is. It's so large that in super exponential notation (ie 10^10^10^...^10^n) we can't use exponential notation to describe the number of powers of 10 we'd need.

Here's a video on just how large graham's number is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuigptwlVHo

Anyway, the bottom line is that the marines would stand NO chance. Zero.
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>>580995843
not knowing maths, obviously ants would win
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>>581011392
>1 byte
>not 1 bit
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>>581016120
>Numberphile
fuck yes my nigga this shit got me into math
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>>580995843
the resulting mass even on an infinite plain would cause an immediate collapse into degenerate matter.
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>>580995843
>implying a googolplex of humans would even fit in the united states
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>>580996663
Fucking idiot trying to sound smart. If the marines were the size of stars and the ants were the size of atoms it still wouldn't make a difference.
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>>580997197

Holy shit, I'm looking it up right now and I STILL don't know how big it is. I simply cannot comprehend this number. Fug.
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>>581011392
>a notepad document with one digit in it is 1 byte, two digits is 2 bytes, and so on.
That is not true.
Look up how computers store numbers.
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>>580995843
mfw there is not enough empty space in our universe to stage this fight
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>>581002382

This
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>>580995843
A trillion lions
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>>581011576
wut
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>>581017143
It doesn't really matter. Graham's number is too big for this universe. The number of digits in Graham's number is too big for this universe. The number of digits in the number of digits of Graham's number is too big for the universe. The number of "number of digits" required to get something that could be written in the universe is too big for the universe.
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>mfw I posted in this thread originally because it was lulzy and definitely about to 404
>mfw 200+ posts later
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>>580995843
marines only because the ants are likely to torch his ant buddies standing beside him
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>>580995843
the amount of ants equal to grahams number would probably fill the entire know universe
so ants, because each marine would be covered by a googolplex or even more with ants
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Isn't grahams number that number that is so big that if you tried to write it out with numbers the size of planck areas, there still wouldn't be enough room in the universe to write it out?
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>>581018715
our universe isnt even big enough to hold a googolplex of marines. grahams number is so big that the amount of written digits required couldnt even be contained in our universe
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>>580997724
the known universe is not an infinite plane you fuckstick
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>>581019586

Read OP's post once more, carefully, and then kill yourself. thanks.
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There isn't even a Grahams number of atoms in the observable universe so a Grahams number of ants would be many many observable universes worth of ants. Against a Googleplex of Marines, who could fit into an area the size of our own galaxy, they would fuck them. No doubt they'd fight a good fight but they would be fucked. Fuckidy fucked fuct fucked.
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>>581020407
Googleplex? Googolplex. Aaaaaah fuck myself.
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>>581017868
But this doesn't take place in the universe.
It takes place on an infinite flat plane of nothingness.
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>>581019279
there are more zeros in a googolplex than there are atoms in the universe.
There are more googolplexes in a Graham's number then there are particles in the universe.


but this doesn't take place in the universe. read the OP.
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>>580998219

Wouldnt all the ants die first bro?
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>>581020780
>>581017868
Yeah, this is a theoretical infinite plain. Why is everyone getting caught up on that?
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The ants would win you dolts. Once the marines run out of fuel the ants could literally become a giant mass and roll over them. The humans would be trapped and crushed under the sheer weight of the ants.
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>>581016279
point?
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>>581017143
I just made a notepad file with a 1 in it, saved it, it's one byte. Then i wrote a 2 in it (so the file reads "12") and saved it, and now it is two bytes. I did this before I posted originally, as to not be an idiot, like you.

Now, to check myself, I just made it read "1234567" and it is - get this - 7 bytes.
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>>581020407
I think you underestimate the size of a googolplex.
One googol is greater than the number of atoms in the observable universe.
The observable universe has approximately 10^78 atoms that we can observe.

A googol is 10^100
A googolplex is 10^(10^100)

A typical human has 7*10^27 atoms.
For simplicity we will take 1/7 of a human as 10^27 to be the number of atoms in a human.

In one googol of marines you would have 10^27 * 10^100
that's already WAY FUCKING MORE than 10^27 times the obserable universe. I dont feel like explaining in meticulous detail, so as metaphorically speaking,

to say that you can fit a googolplex of marines in an area the size of our own galaxy would be like saying "you can fit our solar system into an area the size of an atom."
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Let's assume every marine is a perfect killer.

What do I mean by a perfect killer? I mean the most effective killer that can exist without violating the laws of relativity. Specifically, after one second of a perfect killer's time, everything within one light-second of the perfect killer's position has been killed. Within one year, everything with light-year, etc.

By laws of relativity, nothing can possibly kill more effectively than this.

Okay, so, the marines have 1000 years of fuel, meaning each of them kills everything within a 1000-lightyear sphere. Let's give them 1000000 years each instead. They're on an "infinite plain" so it might make sense to only use hemi-spheres, but let's assume the ants also burrow under the ground.

1000000 light-years is 9.460 × 10^21 meters.

A sphere with that radius has a volume of about 3.547 x 10^64 cubic meters.

Let's also assume the ants are incredibly tightly packed, such that they're approximately Planck length in size. As such a single cubic meter contains about 10^104 ants.

There are a googolplex of these marines. As such the marines as a whole kill about 10^64 googolplex cubic meters of ants, which is about 10^168 googolplex ants.

...This is such a breathtakingly small number compared to Graham's number that I can't even come up with a suitable analogy to describe how insignificant it is. Even with perfect killer marines and quantum-packed ants, the marines will never make a dent in the ants. If the ball of ants is the size of the observable universe, in a million years the perfect killer marines will kill so few ants that it's impossible to measure the space containing how few they killed because it's smaller than the smallest possible unit of measurement.
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>>581021265
because some people don't know how to fucking read a sentence. They click the image and then ignore the rules of OP's post
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>>581022738
/thread
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>>581020780
>>581021265
I'm explaining how big the number is fucktards.
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im going to assume they are fire ants. fire ants ae known to crawl over each other. all ants touching then fire spreads. marines out run fire somehow. bullets travel through a lot of ants. ants are slow. obviously marines would win.
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ants if they are spawned on top of the marines. if not ants again because they live underground. and the marines have no shovel fuel.
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The real question is how are mirrors real if our eyes aren't real?
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>>581023858
motherfuckin magnets, how do they work?
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>>580998219
you cant just add rules after the first post fuck you OP im out
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>>581022738
Ok, ants win.
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i fucking love threads like these
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OP needed to add 1 more thing to allow the marines to win: "No getting tired/exhausted."
If that is a variable, and the ants are not spawned in a circle around the marines (meaning there is 1 graham's number of ants on one side, 1 googolplex of marines on the other, and infinite running space behind the marines where no ants exist) then the marines win. They could indefinitely retreat into the infinite plane where no ants exist and while doing this could use their flamethrowers (which have run out of flame) to smash the ants running toward them. This would take a near-infinite amount of time but they would eventually win.
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>>581017143
Text documents don't store numbers in binary, they store characters. Each digit character is one byte.
Look at you, trying to sound smart.
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recoil from guns would destroy their arm tissue before they could kill all the ants. ants win.
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>>581022625
Yo totally, I was running on a googol not a googolplex. I may of been wrong on that for years. Eh. And when I say within our galaxy I mean as a mass condensed into an area the size of our galaxy, not on planets and such. Maybe two. But, yeah, a googolplex is far vaster .
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>>581015484
Anything of that magnitude would reduce to a singularity at which points all the ants are dead.
The marines too I guess.

it's a draw.
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>>581022738
Intelligentfag, can you tell us how many years the marines would need to kill all the ants?
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>>580997671
ends in 7
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>>581024018
>>581023858
all is right with the world
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>>580995843
>never once hear of Graham's number
>gain mild interest
>wiki
>holy what the fuck
reading shit like this that is over my head actually makes me angry. it truly brings out primal instincts and makes me want to throw things

kek math fags
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>>581025724
this
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