ask me anything
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surely there must be something you guys are wondering about.
Salem jakesh. Persian here too, born and living in the UK. Do you ever find iranians are so edgy about the regime and how they say how great Persia was with the Shah before the muslims fucked it up?
What holds Iran together? It's a fake country, Persians are just a half of the population, the rest are some Kurds and Arabs. The country is destined to follow the fate of Iraq.
I'm not sure what holds the country together. Sometimes it feels like it is going to fall apart any second.
It is indeed a very diverse country with a lot of different languages, cultures, foods, clothings etc. but i dont think it adds to the issues of the country, not at all. I think it makes it even more special and interesting.
So you weren't born in iran? As a white dude who speaks /reads/ and writes persian (not as well as a native obviously ) I am always surprised to see how many Persians can only speak their own language.
I was not. I was born in Sweden to two young students.
Yes you are right, when it comes to languages we are poor. Don't know why, especially when it comes to pronounciation. You should hear my mother or grandmother trying to speak english, funniest shit ever.
The tudeh party supported mossadeg and they were communists. As soon as mossedeg took power there were sweeping changes in people who were in power and tudeh members were put in to high positions. Russia was quickly taking over Iran like all the other Soviet Satellite countries.
>You should hear my mother or grandmother trying to speak english, funniest shit ever.
I can relate to this, so fucking funny with my granparents. Do you also find you can tell a persian so easily (especially women) in public just by how they dress.
Yes!!! I was in a shopping mall (in sweden) with my girlfriend just the other day and I saw women in their 40's and said "i bet they are persians", as we walked past them, they spoke farsi!
>return from a hard day of mandatory army service
>mom didnt make ghormeh sabzi
>beat that gingeh
>go and smoke hasheesh and spend hours hitting a ghillion with your urban youth friends
average day of a tehrani iranian
except that isn't the same at all you autist.
America helped Iran because they were allies not because the shah was sucking their dick.
who would win in a war/battle? Iran vs Israel..
do you guys have space ships? If you don't America if going to take over all ur little arab countries, merica bitch, USA!!!
>inb4 for cheaper oil
if that was the case then why did oil remain nationalized after the shah returned. And oil prices actually continued to go up.
Mossaddegh wasn't but his supporters were. Iran was clearly on route to becoming communist. America did you guys a favor.
I dont know what mena is.
I LOVE barobax!
Cars are very much loved by the youth of tehran, sports cars are spotted frequently over there.
As far as i know, its the same language pretty much. I've heard that you guys call a taxi "kaskash". Thats about it i'd say =)
It was called a democracy but in reality it wasn't.
thats just like saying that North Korea is a democracy because their name says so.
Mossadegh wanted to help Iran, but he was caught up with too many bad people in his network.
I asked questions before I saw you aren't in Iran so I thought you wouldhave a Persian flag on /int/
Do you think the Isfahan accent is the best? I hear everyone does.
Also do you watch sout park? if so, in the episode where the go to Afghanistan are the kids really spaeking dari?
mfw delusion sand nigger
He was elected but his supporters (communists) were taking control rapidly. What part of that do you not understand? The ecomomy went to shit in a matter of weeks and a strict one party system was being set up.
Do more research kid instead of being brainwashed into loving or hating the shah. Too many Iranians are like that. They say either the shah was an angel or he was a devil. This is not the case, he was not black and white but very grey.
As a Canadian, I was surprised when one of my best mates would always praise him while my girlfriend would say that he was a monster.
So I started to do research on my own and so should you.
The food in Iran is very mixed. Different places serve different things. But there definitely are "standard dishes" such as Cholo Kabab (Kabab with rice) and different stews such as Ghorme Sabzi or Gheymeh, also served with rice.
Something you may or may not have heard of is Salad Olivieh, its from what I understand the most famous dish outside Iran.
ever heard of neither west or east? that was the motto since the beginning, cos both west and east are different sides of the same coin. also ever heard of the SAVAK trained by the mossad to kill?
why do so many Persians act hard as fuck but dress like fucking Ricky Martin. It's weird when I go into mcdicks at 12AM on a Saturday and some 5 foot tall Persian dude wearing a purple pleather jacket and fucking lip gloss calls me a faggot.
چه کثافتی آیا شما فقط لعنتی می گویند در مورد من ، شما عوضی کمی ؟ می خواهم که شما می دانید من از کلاس من در نیروی دریاییفارغ التحصیل مهر و موم ، و من شده است در حملات مخفی متعدد در آل Quaeda است، و من بیش از 300 کشته تایید شده است. من در جنگ گوریل آموزش دیده ام و تیرانداز از خفا بالا در نیروهای مسلح ایالات متحده تمام هستم. شما هیچ چیزی به من اما فقط هدف دیگری . من پاک خواهد کرد که شما دمار از روزگارمان درآورد با دقت پایان امثال ماه پیش از این هرگز در این زمین دیده شده است، علامت کلمات لعنتی من . شما فکر می کنم شما می توانید دور با گفتن این که گه به من از طریق اینترنت دریافت کنید؟ دوباره فکر می کنم، اساسنامه . همانطور که ما صحبت می کنند I تماس با شبکه مخفی من جاسوس در سراسر ایالات متحده آمریکا و IP شما می باشد که در حال حاضر پیش بینی کرد بنابراین شما بهتر است برای طوفان آماده ، حشره . طوفان دستمال مرطوب از چیزی که کمی احساساتی که شما زندگی خود تماس بگیرید انجام داد. شما لعنتی مرده ، بچه . من می تواند در هر نقطه ، در هر زمان ، و من می توانم شما را در بیش از هفت صد راه را بکشند، و این فقط با دست برهنه من . نه ت بهسفیه و احمق لعنتی . من خشم بر شما گه و شما در آن ، kiddo .
Let me paint a picture for you. Iran bordered the USSR in the north, had Islamic militants inside and outside the country which planned terrorist attacks, and was in a mini cold war with Saddam Hussein and Iraq. The majority of terrorist attacks in the world happened in Iran. As an example, the cinema rex fire was the biggest terrorist attack in modern history before 9/11. Shia and sunni clash happened constantly on the borders.
Now if you were this leader governing a country like this, would you not hire spying on citizens to increase national secerity, America does this today and America taught all the torture techniques to savak. The shah was not some mad man trying to supress Iranians and steal wealth for himself. It needed to be done and the lack of technology is what made savak inefficient. If he had today's technology, it would not have been as brutal and it would have looked more like America today instead of Nazi Germany.
Do you mean literally homosexual? In that case I don't know, I guess some are and some are not.
Prostitution is not very common, I think that the prostitutes you will find most likely have some disgusting STD and a heroin needle up their ass.
Why is Islam such a retared cult?
Basically in year, like 600 or something. The Sassanid Empire fell to the Arab invasion, Islam influenced Iran more and more and the arabs called the language "Farsi" instead of "Parsi" because of, like you said, their lack of "P" in their alphabet.
I agree, its absolutely retarded. It should be called Parsi.
I am not saying that the shah was perfect. No government is. However, he really was trying to modernize the country like Ata turk did for turkey. You can't say that he was the worse human being and all of Iran's problems were caused by him.
Would I want the shah to rule your country again, no.
Would I blame him and say that he was a barbaric dictator, no.
It wasn't entirely his fault, he was too -just a pawn, his orders would come from the white house and his savak controlled by the CIA/Mossad. who is to be blamed? the man or the bullet?
You have absolutely no proof that his orders were coming from the white house. That is like saying that just because America supports Britain David Cameron is a pawn. He isn't. They were just allies.
From what you heard, do you think shah was a better leader than the people in power now? My family supported the shah, so I get a mostly biased answer. Anything your folks said? Do you think an imperial state would be better than an Islamic state? If not what kind of government so you think they should adopt?
Iran at the moment is one of the few sovereign countries remaining, not gonna condone anything but I think Iran now is at a better position in a long time, the decisions to run the country are made in Tehran than else where. Few countries could boldly say that.
It's just common sense, I thought u'd have it, more like the uncommon sense. lel. Cos that is what YOU would make sure to happen if u'd ever over-throw a government, are u legit that stupid?
I think people were happier under the Shah, from stories that I've heard. I don't think either one of those systems work. I think what Iran needs right now is a Democratic Republic, possibly closer to a European, sometimes pseudosocialistic regime. Not because im a Socialst, but because thats what i think the people would benefit the most from as of right now.
>What is russia
The world powers have always been playing chess with Iran. First it was imperial Russia and Great Britan in the Great Game
Then it was soviet Union and America.
Now it is Putin and obama
I agree that it should be a democratic republic, but it seems to be holding well in comparison to many middle eastern countries. I also get told by relatives how great the shah was, but I don't know whether that's because my family were close with the shah at the time, or its just generally accepted by persians because quite a few i've met say the same.
iran is like over 7600 years old, so if 2 countries tried to play iran for less than a century that makes it always?
Russia and the US have no culture or history, so their game is irrelevant to iran's state of affairs.
I have constantly provided proofs in this discussion like how Iran was becoming communist (tudeh party), how Iran was under terrorist attacks (Cinema Rex), etc.
But you can't give me one proof that the shah was a puppet.
just because two countries work together doesn't mean the other is the boss.
>first democratic rebellion in all of asia happens in Iran during Qajars
>shot down by russians
>Reza shah taken away by British
>not knowing that the Great Game is to blame for Iran's mess today.
The Great Game caused all of Iran's resources and land to be used by Russians and British. The Qajars spent all of Iran's money and caused the backwardness in technology that Iran has (late industrial revolution compared to turkey, egypt, inda,etc).
Lol, I've heard stuff like this. But its mostly muslimbashing and racist talk. Whether or not muslim men like to have anal sex with eachother i dont know. Some do, some dont i guess.
I'm from Tehran, and in Tehran I don't believe there are many virgins. The women are golddigging sluts that love to party.
Dude, if you would ever pickup a history book, you would definitely know that countries do not overthrow each other's governments to bring 'freedom' to other people, it's just to install a satrapy. If you cannot fathom that, i really dont know. If you ever read about the life of pahlavi you'd know, internal memos had info about how sorrowful he was when 'the americans would just come and take oil freely and without permission' or just give orders to his staff, etc..
I never stated that it was to bring about freedom.
But it was to prevent the spread of communism. Is south Korea, Japan, West Germany, etc not given "freedom" (more technology, investment, better lives, etc.) compared to their counterparts. Does that mean that these countries are complete puppets and have no say at all.
Might I remind you that Iran is one of the founding members of OPEC, UN, etc. all because of the shah.
SK, Japan and Germany have no standing army or any say in territorial matters, better tech due to US help, yes. They are however puppets and do as the master commands. OPEC isn't really useful when Saudi Arabia alone is shifting oil prices.
He thought so, because he had become disobedient and was suspecting another American coup to remove him from power just like they forced his father from power. But distasteful relations between iran and the west i think disproved his theory.
In that sense then Canada is also a puppet and all of Nato is as well.
But in the sense of complete dictatorship brought about by an evil America to ruin the country, one can see that this is just not the case. The entire world has been split by the Great game, Cold War, and modern geopolitical conflicts. The majority of these countries however are not completly controlled by the super power. (except for usually Russian controlled ones but Iran was American allied so this argument cannot work.)
I'd say Iranians, especially the youth, are very arrogant and think they are the best. Iranians always seem to brag about being Aryans. Just very selfloving people, much like the french stereotype. Iranians love Italy and italians, I don't know why, so they sometimes strive to be more like them.
His father was not removed by america for one, nor was it a coup. It was an invasion because Reza shah supported the nazis despite claiming neutral. In addition Iran was "the bridge to victory" as in a geopolitical must to control so the lend-lease agreement with russa and the allies could succed.(guns and supplies could be delivered from the persian gulf to Russia through Iran.
Canada has no proper army cos America doesn't want it to have, u either become like canada(disarmed) or mexico(chaotic), Iran is neither west nor east, thats the motto, I dont think the decision makers in tehran give a fuck about china or russia, just using them to escape the heat, when the time is right i hope the dagger is poisoned enough. cos we all know every man pays for his crimes.
I hope that that is true (every man ultimately paying for his crimes) but until that time I urge you to keep a neutral and open mind about the shah. There are many bizarre things in the game of politics that may never be relieved
True, the game of politics is nasty and full of evil, but I keep my mind open and I admire Shah for the good things he did and despise him for the evil deeds he committed; but trust me when I say every man will eventually pay. Peace to you my friend from lovely Canada:)
This is a map by Europeans during the 1800s
Pay attention to the shading of Aryan compared to the rest of the middle east and europe. Iranians were considered aryan.
It was a pleasure discussing with you.
Peace my friend.