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Can someone please explain why feminism is bad because all men do is argue against it because they are scared of it
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>>575257942
all women argue.
need i say more?
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>>575257942
no woman is happy ever.
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>>575257942
Everything after "because" was womanized opinion. Calm down Bertha.
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>>575257942

If you live in a first world country, you don't need feminism.

If you live in a third world country, you should support feminism and fight for it.
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It leaves no room for the alternative, just like you did in your post.

You answered your own question, why make a thread?
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>>575257942

Because most feminists have this opinion of men

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>>575258921

Before some stupid cunt says "but temblr doesn't represnt all feminists"

If this view is not supported by the mainstream larger feminist organizations why haven't they come out and denounced these tumblr feminists?

Because feminists will claim that these tumblr feminist don't represent the larger views of all feminist but will still use there support when they need it.

You are all hypocrites, and your double standards and lying will see that your cause is never fully supported by anyone with importance.
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>>575259341
Anyone who thinks feminism is an important thing doesn't identify with it because of all the retards going on about it.
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>>575258021
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>>575258402
>>575258921
>>575259797
What are your views on egalitarianism
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>>575258921
'most' feminists. jesus christ. i can only assume anti-feminists have been wronged in some way by a woman in their life, or have been rejected countless times. and are fat.
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>>575259341
>If this view is not supported by the mainstream larger feminist organizations why haven't they come out and denounced these tumblr feminists?

You're a retard. Everytime some Conservative nutjob makes a crack about gays causing the apocalypse, you expect the pope to denounce them? It's small fries and the "big feminist organisations" can't be fucked to shut down every idiotic thing scribbled online.
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>>575260089

Wrong, happily married with an awesome child. My wife likes to laugh at these threads as well.

She says "maybe if you stopped hating men you'd be able to find a man you like spending time with. Rather than living on the internet"
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>>575257942
>Can someone please explain why feminism is bad because all men do is argue against it because they are scared of it

Can someone please explain why racism is bad because all black people do is argue against it because they are scared of it
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>because men are scared of it
My fucking sides. Gtfo tumblrtard
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>>575260089
I dislike the femi-nazi because of being hypocrites. When you get so far it's too far. And I am married with a child, 130 lbs. my wife works and pays bills so do I. Women are people too but femi-nazis have a bad view towards the world.
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Truth is this was bait i actually fucking hate feminism
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Here's my two cents on the issue.

Feminism, at its core is about egalitarianism. I would describe myself as a feminist simply because the pillar ideals, that men and women should be treated equally, that women should be allowed to be sexual beings without being sexualised, these are good virtues that I believe in and I don't think any of you, realistically would disagree with those.

What I do disagree is the warped off-shoot, the feminazi's and tumblerinas and all too often I find myself saying "I like feminism, just not feminists".

I do think these are the minority, the very loud, very obnoxious minority, but a minority none the less and if you were to read actual feminists like Gloria Watkins or Simone De Beauvoir, you'd probably agree with most of their opinions.

TLDR: Don't hate game, hate the player.
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>>575260072
>egalitarianism
Seriously? There are people who do and people who bitch about people who do.
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>>575257942
>thinks all men are against it

Hey, retard, first off, you already dragged several men to your side. Second, I'm a female and I find feminism to be a fucking joke.

>>575260089
I don't make any attempts at dating, I can't gain weight and both genders can be equally stupid.
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>>575260848
Tits or GTFO.. Seriously
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>>575260806
+1
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>>575260940
There's your tits, now GTFO.
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>>575257942
what feminists actually do
>cry
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>>575258327

False. If you live in a WESTERN 1st world country. Korea and Especially japan need feminism as fuck. Patriarchism (which really EXIST in asia) is killing the society because the women are afraid of being trapped home, and thus stay single (50% of 20/-35yo are single). Hence, no babies. Hence, an aging population. Our generation in these country i fucked because they will have to pay for the baby boomers hospital bills.
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>>575260072
What is your understanding of mercy
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>>575261058
No timestamp? GTFO.
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>>575257942

Feminism isn't bad, concentration of state power is bad. This isn't really feminism though, but it's what most niggers around here are mad about.
>people want to run your life
>it's not the average woman who wants equal protection under law
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>>575257942

feminism = shit

equality = good
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>>575260806

Feminism wasn't about equality. It was about letting women become as powerful as man. If it was about equality it wouldn't be called Feminism.
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>>575261245
It's 8:30 AM. Now GTFO.
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>>575261245
there is a time for tits or gtfo
this is not it
>>575261356
ignore him
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>>575261356
Thats not an acceptable timestamp over the photo. GTFO.
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>>575261135 here.

Bwt, don't get me wrong. I hate this mix of fat acceptance crossed with feminisim and misandry that is currently called "feminism" in our modern society.

My opinion on feminism are more or less the same of those of Mrs Élisabeth Badinter. Hell, it's a feminist that actually thinks about it and not only feels about it !
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>>575257942
>What Fox News thinks I do

funny because feminists think stripping and employment in pornography is empowering.
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>>575261336
Okay, this is the fundamental misunderstanding of feminism. The basic concept is that the world is by default masuline, and that most of society benefits the male over the female, so feminism doesn't mean giving women power over men, it means empowering women until they are equal to men, hence the "feminine" in feminism. Absolute equality between sexism, that is what it means, and you can argue fucking semantics all day long about how it should be called "equalism" or some shit, but that's the name of the movement, that's been its name for the last century, and I'm sure we can all learn to understand what it really means. I'm sorry it doesn't include your gender in the name of the movement, but since it was named in a time when women still didn't have the right to vote, I'd say its all fair enough
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>>575260806
But Feminism isn't about men. Its about women. I don't want to become feminized or and empowered woman.
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http://exbunny.com/porn/watch/95681-marina-feminization-only-at-home.htm
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>>575261331
Nah, Equality is good only when facing the law. (Btw, this is not the cas in the US. The one with the most money win 90% of the time).
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>>575260806
"sexual beings without being sexualized"
major contradiction right there bro, if you see someone as a sexual being you have sexualized them
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>>575257942
Why should I give a fuck about a woman's opinion
if she has no value in my life?
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>>575261819
Exactly, it's about women, it's about how women behave in society and how we as men respond to that. You don't have to become a woman to be a feminist, it wont make your dick fall off, it doesn't force you to do anything any more than being a Vegetarian means you actually have to become a vegetable.

Feminism=Equality between sexes. That's it, that's the core of the philosophy right there, and I don't really see any way to disagree with it without admitted you're bigoted.
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>>575257942
True feminisim is not bad. But what some masquerade as feminism is really a female dominated society.
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>>575257942

>>575260089
this.
if we did a full on study that's exactly what you would find. the combined neckbear, wizard, PUA and MRA types all have this shit in their past. They all have trouble getting laid and think it's feminism's fault.

Without feminism, you STILL wouldn't get laid you losers.
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>>575261814
voting was a consequence of doing your civil duties in the military. they could have allowed women in the military and as a consequence they would have got the rights to vote. what they did is give voting to women for free and remain the status quo for men. this is a representation for almost everything feminismn did.

also one could argue that the world was and always will be dominated by women, since every men just wants the love and approval of a woman
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>>575260806
Fuck the bitch in the picture. One of the most hypocritical ass motherfuckers out there. "Feminism is important, and men should help us because we need it." What? Are all women mentally handicapped? Damn, man.
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>>575261814
I agree that arguing over the name is pointless. However, it's a movement in which men are usually disallowed a voice (on the flawed assumption that everything is already great for men), and therefore it can never be a force for true gender equality. How can feminism achieve gender equality when it actually discourages constructive dialogue between men and women? The whole movement is fundamentally divisive.
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>>575261814
I'm still not buying it.

I don't understand how you can be apart of the Feminist movement and not just be a tumblerina special snow flake or a bull dyke.

What I don't understand is that women had power and authority, hell now they have more power and authority in some circles. Are you honestly telling me that this SJW bullshit isn't a direct result of Feminism?

Its fucking stupid. You are not suffragettes you are now just moaning about special treatment. You have power, and authority, and if I gave more power and authority to some members of the feminist movement they would have my balls in a jar. Now fuck off.
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>>575260806
>Feminism, at its core is about egalitarianism.

So was apartheid. We all know how that worked out.

You feminists can talk about egalitarianism all you want, but what you actually do is erode the freedom of speech (men want to talk about male suicide? Pull the fire-alarm) and the presumption of innocence (man accused of rape = guilty).
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because modern feminism isnt about championing the cause of women, but to blame males for any problem they have with their everyday life. They basically expect handouts without working for anything just because they are women.
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>>575261135
Korean here
You're fucking retarded. Women are perfectly fine with being in the household if you have money. They'll even pump out a baby or two if asked and your money continues
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>>575257942
>because all men do is argue against it because they are scared of it
Not true
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>>575262235

engaged guy here

feminism is for cunts who are mad they don't get everything they want. Whores who believe in feminism just want to be accepted for taking hundreds of dicks.

My fiance agrees.
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>>575257942
Because the people who believe in it think it is a unified thing instead of a collection of different ideas that can be agreed with or disagreed with independently.
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>>575262496

Holy shit, /thread
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0coPRBkbGJg&list=WL
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>>575261819
>>575262336

virgins detected.

>>575262481
oh and a virgin liar
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>>575261932
Personal view vs Cultural view bro

Let's say I have sex with a women, to me she's become a sexual being and we've experienced pleasure together. However that does not give me the right to own her sexually, it doesn't mean I can forbid her from having sex with others (Although if we were in a relationship I would expect her to be faithful, as I would be), it doesn't mean I can share nude pictures of her with my friends, in short it means she's still a human, just one who likes sex, not a sexual caricature.

I may personally sexualise someone for their personal sexual behavior, however that doesn't grant me ownership of them and doesn't reduce their status as a person simply becuase they like to fuck, yet we still see slut-shaming only towards women. Feminism basically means if a man fucks 10 chicks, and a chick fucks ten guys, they get treated with the same respect or disrespect by their society.
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>>575262074
No it doesn't. I can tell you this much I am never getting married to a woman as long as feminist have any sway. I have seen too many people exploiting your "movement" and if that makes me a bigot in your eyes then you can fuck off and die.

I hold values that truly make men and women equal. I don't need you telling me that I am wrong because I don't join you and pussy riot in your pathetic attempt to gain something you already have.
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>>575261932
An opinion should hold little value over your own self worth, woman. I think this is where my problem with women and status as more than JUST a symbol comes in. You become sexualized when you DO the sexual, not when someone sees you as a possible sexual partner. That happened naturally when the penis was able to fit in the vagina. Don't let your education and the pride you feel for it rot your understanding of how things work.
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>>575261135

If that's true then why do countries like Saudi Arabia, which have some of the shittiest levels of women's right, have some of the highest birth rates?
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>>575262341
>So was apartheid
In what fucking way was apartheid, please explain this bullshit?
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>>575262749
Whoo boy, i don't think you'll have to worry much about that, son.
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>>575257942
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>>575262750

what is the joke behind this "bait"?
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>>575261135
>Especially japan need feminism as fuck. Patriarchism (which really EXIST in asia) is killing the society because the women are afraid of being trapped home
>especially japan
>what are hikikomori?
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>>575262341

Egalitarianism is a fraud. Yes, we should all have equal standing int he eyes of the law, but to assert that all men and women need to have exactly the same everything completely disregards the core aspects of humanity, i.e. our individuality.

Yeah, we have lots of similarities, but we all have lots of differences. This discussion is just further proof that egalitarianism is a childish pipe-dream.
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>>575262728
reduce their status as a person? Status functions on an ethical level rather than a moral one. Sure there is religion but then the status upheaval isn't caused by a fact of nature. It has less to do with her as a person and more to do with what that religion expects of a person. As an ethical product, status helps distinguish between a boss and his/her employees.

Yet another misunderstanding placed by the need to status. It's like black people not being in enough movies.
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>>575262685
>someone doesnt agree with me
>"HURRR VIRGIN DETECTED !!"
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>>575262758
women have no right there at all, well that is my guess no proof here
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>>575262619
am grill
Feminism should be about equality, not females being better than men
>inb4 tits or GTFO
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>>575262728
no to sexualize someone does not mean own this person sexually
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>>575262331
>However, it's a movement in which men are usually disallowed a voice (on the flawed assumption that everything is already great for men)

See this is exactly where I agree with you, and it's why self-proclaimed feminists often need to be re-taught feminism itself. Those asshole bra-burners on tumblr saying that cislords don't have a right to talk, those people aren't feminists, they're twisted little monkeys who have warped the ideology for their own benefit.

Feminism is about constructing a society in which men and women have an equal dialogue and work to create mutually advantageous opportunities.

For example, say a company gives men greater average pay because they believe men are the breadwinners and thus need more money, that for a woman, a job is really a hobby.

A tumblr with perverted ideas would say kill all the men and turn the company into a server for their free-bleeding upload site.

A feminist would say that maybe the company should survey the women to see how many are sole-providors and maybe reasses their policy based on the opinions of both genders
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>>575262972
Your understanding of the problem? You approach an academic discussion with a colloquial understanding of the topic. There is your joke.
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>>575263257
"those people aren't feminists"

No true Scotsman.
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>>575263257
why not build from zero and then attempt to reassess powers? Women are asking for more powers from a position that prohibits the "power" men have over women and then some.
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>>575262807
>>>575262341
>>So was apartheid
>In what fucking way was apartheid, please explain this bullshit?

Apartheid = "equal but separate". Google it.
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>>575257942
>because all men do is argue against it because they are scared of it

This is the basis of why current feminism trends are bad. Ideas like this that are just blanket statements and fruitless attacks that focus on the dissemination of misogynistic men and not the equal human rights of all.
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>>575262728
Lol that isn't how it works.

You are honestly telling me i can't find a woman sexy until she lets me fuck her?

Holy shit you act like men are the worst people in the fucking world. I'm not going to hold her down and fuck her in public. I'm not going to spread her pictures on the internet. (Unless of course, she is a complete bitch who has no regard for my well being.)

You are simply over-complicating and making normal healthy social interaction more difficult.

Like holy shit, you think that because I fuck a girl she is suddenly my slave or sexual property? Every idiot who wasn't born yesterday knows how to set boundaries in a relationship, most people already agree with you.

Why are you even here?
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>>575263123
Who the fuck said anything about religion?

Here's what I'm saying in simply terms.

In our society, we perceive women who sleep around to be dirty and unwholesome. We treat men who sleep around to be fucking legends. This is an inequality which degrades the woman more than the man. Feminism believes that men and women should be treated the same for the same actions. Simple.
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>>575260806
>Feminism, at its core is about egalitarianism.
only inside your head. the only consistent trait feminism has had since its inception is being for the advancement of women, whatever that means.

>that women should be allowed to be sexual beings without being sexualised
>p && ~p = true

>I do think these are the minority, the very loud, very obnoxious minority
they dont need to be a majority to do damage, they just need to be in positions of power in society (such as being in charge of filtering candidates at universities, advising universities on sexual assault policy, and working with governments and the UN to write laws that benefit women at the expense of men via "think tanks").

>actual feminists
youre retarded.
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>>575257942
>Can someone please explain why feminism is bad because all men do is argue against it because they are scared of it

Feminism is bad because feminists think the only reason people are against feminism is because they are scared of it.

Feminists refuse to listen to reason, and label any dissent or criticism to be sexism and misogyny.
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>>575262885
g8 b8 m8 I'll r8 8/8
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>>575257942
feminism is bad for men, but it is not bad.

If I was a woman I would be a feminist, because that is what would be good for me. I am a man so I do exactly what a feminist would do if she was a he.

I realize the irony that in todays world being a feminist is perfectly ok and doing what i do is borderline illegal, but I am convinced that we have moved so far in one direction that there is bound to be a rebound.
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>>575260089
>>575262235

Do you guys see it? Stop talking with feminists. Silence them whenever you can, we still have the power to do so, and stop this "empowerement" shit. In the end we will have a bunch of frustrated feminists screaming alone, they'll have to give their blood to take us out of the top and both they're too weak and we're too strong for that, just don't absorb their bullshit and we'll do fine.

>>575262074
You must be either misinformed or a very wicked person for saying feminism that current feminism is about equality. Do you live at 2010?
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It's simple, really.

Feminism is flawed in both name and the majority of its members. The loudest and most heard feminists (not counting Emma Watson) are completely anti-men.

I support equalism in its entirety, but feminists annoy me.
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>>575263669
>Every idiot who wasn't born yesterday knows how to set boundaries in a relationship,
No they don;t you fucking mongoloid, that's what feminism is trying to combat


>You are honestly telling me i can't find a woman sexy until she lets me fuck her?

No, again you're putting words in my mouth, be attracted to a woman, jerk off, give her flowers ,ask her out, it's all good, just don't expect her to want to have sex with you automatically and if you do have sex with her then don't feel like you own her in some way or if you're not in a closed relationship, then don't be pissed off and call her a slut when she fucks somebody other than you.

I'm not saying you're the kind of person who does that, but there are people like that, and those are the people feminism is trying to reach
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Feminism is not egalitarianism.

Stupid cunts spewing bullshit about patriarchy and privilege when they do not have the literal physical or mental strength to work like men.

Dass sexiss!!!

I don't see feminists rallying to force the fedeal government to knock down the walls of oppression in regards to selective service.

I don't see feminism supporting single fathers to keep children in a safe and productive home than some 3 time felon junkie bitch.

I don't see feminists supporting women who support their fear mongering ideals.

I have NEVER seen a logical argument from a feminists ever in 10 years of searching or any quantifiable proof of any more than 1/4 of their ridiculous claims.


2/10 made me reply
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>>575257942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA
why not hear it from a woman instead of the man hating culture
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>>575263671
Wow dude. Wow. If you really think it is that big of a deal I don't know what to tell you.

Pretty much everyone sleeps around at this point. Everyone fucks everyone, some people go though a partner a week, sometimes its 3 but my point is that honestly NOBODY CARES.

I guess I could pull out the old "its really hard for men to get laid"

But its not. Hell all you need to do is look better then most people your age and put yourself out there. LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

Seriously this isn't a problem.
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>>575264340
>my point is that honestly NOBODY CARES.

That's exactly the fucking point I've been trying to make,

Feminism just wants people to not give a shit when a woman does something.

Just don't give a shit, and don't judge what other people do unless it directly harms you, and BAM, feminism has achieved its goal
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>>575263671
I'm going to describe a scene that has never happened with a group of men in history.

A man walks into a bar and is immediately greeted by everyone and bought multiple beers.

A stranger, seeing this asks the man beside him, "hey, that guy looks popular. Why do all the men like him so much?"

The response he got back was (of course) the obvious one, "oh, that's because he fucks lots of different women. As men, we like nothing better than being surrounded by men who easily fuck the women we would like to be fucking instead."

Where does this stupid fucking fantasy come from that men glorify other men who fuck around? Men hate those fucking douchbags.
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>>575257942
Because of pic related.
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>>575263671
You're kind of in a funk it seems. No one but their own friends treats guys who sleep with a lot of women like kings. Men are pictured as great beings for the ability to attract so many women, namely if they are the kind commonly seen as beautiful/hot, mostly because it is an indicator of success. It's the success, not the fact that he managed to polish his game to the point where he can code switch on a bitch and convince her he owns a retail outlet. Women who sleep around may be seen as less, as I might be inclined to feel if it were my own woman ( and not own as in my property but own as in this is the woman I have given my heart and mind to, romantic ), but only because it's so much easier for a woman to find a willing participant. It took me six years to find a woman again. It took her a matter of months to sleep with me after her first ( didn't tell me until way later that is wasn't years in time but months ), whom she slept with on the first date, and then it took her months to sleep with the next guy after she'd already given birth to my son. She was a staunch feminist but got red carded by the majority and is now playing off of you girls' games to make me look bad. People see me as bad, no one thinks anything of what she is doing. It's bullshit.
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>>575257942
Reverse psychology, fuck these threads and anyone who responds.
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>>575264745


If men and women should be treated the same for the same actions, then why isn't learning the language/field a suitable platform for these comparisons? Have you ever noticed that when a women is trying to be convincing she always manages to throw in a bit about how she feels in the matter?

"Feminism is great because it empowers women and so we need feminism"

Do you see how stupid that sounds?

"We call it feminism because it started in a time when women had a hard time so we just decided to not change the name"

Can you not see how the only real argument at play here in some unfairness rule that rustles the emotions of one side of a battle of sexes? It's like the gay friend using what he knows about men to get the girlfriend to break up with him. It's fucking ridiculous.

Also, sorry about not paragraphs. The text on my screen is big and it makes it hard to plan my writing.
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>>575263912
most of us men are doing fine now you moron. feminism has only improved things for us.
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>>575264648
Wow your list of unsourced quotes has really changed my views, good work.

Also, Catherine Comins and Sheile Jeffrys are fucking idiots who no actual feminist scholar would take seriously, show me the Sally Munts, the Simone De Beauvoir, the Betty Friedans. Those are women who actually founded the feminist movement. You know why their quotes aren't there? Because they weren't overblown cunts who made a name for themselves by being shrilly polemic.


So many fucking cherries picked today I could make a pie
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>>575263671
The reason women are looked down on for having sex is because of religion
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>>575257942
I don't hate feminism, I just hate rule based talk about something that should be emotion based. All these ISMS, do you need to go to university to learn how to love somebody?
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>>575265016
So to show you how modern feminism is stupid you demand quotes from people who have been dead half a century?
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>>575265026
Really? Every single person who calls women sluts or frigid if they don't fuck him is religious?

That's amazing, I knew fundamentalism was widespread, but I had no idea every single person who has called a woman a whore was religious.
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>>575262351
well shit brah, guess im moving to korea cuz here the woman will randomly scream rape and take half your earning with her, the house, the kid and on most cases, the car too.
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>>575265016

I'm all for equality, which is why I'm opposed to Feminism.
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>>575265026
... are you seriously kidding me? That sounds ignorant of you.
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>>575265242

None of the people you quoted are modern feminist scholars, they're feminist celebrities. They're like how Duck Dynasty represents the Catholic Church.

Also:
Sally Munt is still alive
Betty Friedans has been dead for 8 years
Simone De Beauvoir has been dead for 38 years, but since she practically founded the movement I'd say that's not too outdated
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>>575265525
"people you quoted"

Look, the little fucktard can't read attributions.
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>>575265451
Feminism is responsible for putting women in the military

Feminism advocates teaching men to be more open with their feelings and to seek help when depressed so they can reduce male suicide rates

Feminism actually supported the creation of Paternal leave, which grants fathers equal time off as a mother when they have a child


FEMINISM=EQUALITY
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>>575265451

And not a single counter-argument was made....
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>>575264160
No by people you men MEN.

You are trying to reach MEN.

You are trying to tell MEN that they are wrong, or controlling, or violent, or angry, or possessive.

You did not once mention a woman or how a woman should respond or behave in a manner that would be favorable for the outcome of a male.

Hell if she is a slut, I call them like I see them. No shame in being a slut unless you associate with people who have different sets of values. And if you like sex, and sleep around with a lot of men, most of the time, you are a slut. It is kind of what that word means.

Most likely if you have a lot of sexy time with a lot of people you might catch something. That would be pretty gross.

Fucking hell. I can find women who are absolutely 100% in control of their lives. They work long hours, take care of themselves, are productive and happy.

Not a single one is a feminist.

Every feminist I meet is a SJW CIS-privilege dyke with some sort of mental health crisis who thinks men need to be just a step lower on the totem pole or completely removed from the gene pool. Then when you ask them about equality the spew some bullshit they learned in woman's studies as if it was reliable or even useful information.

I'm not putting words in your mouth, you already told me who you associate with. Have fun looking like a little whipped boy toy for your feminist overlords.
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>>575262523
cant read :/
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>>575265336
Jessica Velenti is a fucking blogger, not a scholar or a political leader, and try as I might I couldn't find the source of this quote, only people saying she said it
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>>575257942
>taking the bait
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>>575264160

Again, misinformed or wicked. First: what kind of men is feminism trying to reach? None, it's trying to reach women. Second: Does it consider that not all men are the stupid shit that you described, as you were trying to say? Answer: no. It considers all men as potential rapists, we are oppressors, conditioned to do the things you described, and it doesn't bother that we will change or understand your sides, it bothers that we are like this so women must get free of us, and that means doing what it takes no matter how edgy it is. Men are all shit anyway, right? This is what feminism is about. While i may agree that we are conditioned to be like that, do you think i'm giving away my life, relying on the oppressed decisions about what i should do with my life, those oppressed being people who don't even care if i live or die, actually would be pretty happy if the last happened? All of this just so you can free yourself? If women were the ones who had the power in the first place, things would be pretty much the same but with inversed sides, you are no more or less human than we are. I did not implant this big oppressing system to fuck up women and make them my slaves for the rest of my life, i'm just following a culture that i was conditioned to follow without question, and got punished if i ever tried to question, even if i'm the only one to take privileges from it. Guess what? My mother was the most responsible for this, still i'm the only one to be blamed, me and every other men, right? Nah. I'm sorry if you can't get your hands on whoever made christianism, or maybe on fucking pre-hystoric men who would follow their instincts without reason and rape women in a way it was already a culture when we got ability of thinking. Even feminists know that their misandry is counter-productive, i've seen it being stated many, many times, yet feminists can't help but hating, feminists and would freely kill or castrate if correctly "empowered".
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People are afraid of people blindly following. Not afraid of feminism.
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>>575265451
At least we can get rid of our children with relative ease.
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>>575265759
Feminism isn't a group of people. People are the ones who do shit. Point to any of the actual feminist organizations or activist groups that did any of those things, not just some vague idea you imagined.

If you can't point at the people who did it, then "feminism" didn't do shit.
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>>575263671
btw, religion has its part in this whole thing. It's the force that pushes forward humanistic ideals of person. You chose the argument of sleeping around. No one but your parents and/or religion would really want to have a say in that matter. Your parents because they don't want to be the ones to have to support another mouth and religion because of reasons to do with how your parents feel about it and the effects it could have on a larger scale, like if there was a country full of people trapped in lovers schemes. Enemies would potentially be everywhere your trail of semen goes and multiplied by the number of people that could potentially take part in this kind of conduct could really make for a literal cesspool.
I mean, look at how barbaric the dark ages were. And you are lobbying for the right to be allowed to fuck more without feeling bad? Try for that again after you've had a child and realize what kind of effects your guilt free slutting around would or could have on his upbringing and evaluations of himself.

Feminism is more about getting rid of that nagging sensation that we could all be doing more if only things were different. Women being the natural "mothers" that they are have taken to the idea that they simply know best. That just isn't true. The pool of experience and opinion just tends to be bigger because women flock easier. Men decide to compete in order to attract women out of those pools.
When you've been allowed to apply personal opinion as a form of logic and still manage to get the same ideal of merit and authority just because it tends to denigrate the whole thing to some sort of parasitic symbiote, where both are treated as equal but only one solely benefits from the matter. It's like adoption, almost, except it's forced on you.
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>>575265759

Not anymore it isn't. Modern feminism has nothing to do with equality, because women are 98% equal in the eyes of the law. Modern feminism is about women getting an advantage.

Why do you not fucking understand that? Is it so hard to grasp that we agreed with feminism up until a few decades ago when it went insane?

It's like you are unable to understand that equality can be advocated by people who do not identify as feminists. Feminism served its purpose, and is no longer necessary.

Do you realize that in the sub-35 age bracket women actually make more than men?

Do you realize that new consent laws and social stigmas make rape accusations almost as damaging as convictions, thereby bypassing innocent until proven guilty as well as the entire judicial system of trial by jury?


Fuck dude. It's like you think that we're either 100% sharia. Wake up and read the goddamned posts.
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I am a female and I think "feminism" is an anti-intellectual concept. Many people have no fucking idea what they're talking about in terms of actual societal issues concerning gender inequality (myself included). Some people feel the need to publically insert their opinions firmly on one side or another. And then they, for some reason, feel like they can call themselves a feminist. Misguided entitlement.

I always figured that feminism was bigger than me. I can’t just call myself a feminist because I have a vagina and I want to be treated differently...

I don’t know shit about the laws of other countries, and even if I did, I’m probably not gonna go try to make a difference. I believe in unity. But I ain’t no activist. The whole thing makes no sense.

It's like calling yourself a democrat if you've never once voted. What the fuck does that mean and why does it matter?
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>>575266054
>Feminism isn't a group of people


Implying women arent people.
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>>575265867

I have a 4k monitor and I can read it just fine. Is it too small, too blurry, or is your display shit? Serious question; I want to fix it.
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>>575257942
Because it stop women from writing coherent sentences it seems...
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>>575265939
>First: what kind of men is feminism trying to reach? None, it's trying to reach women
>It considers all men as potential rapists,
> feminists and would freely kill or castrate if correctly "empowered".

22.10.14, the day I officially quit. If you actually believe what you just typed, if you actually believe that feminsim is utterly about achieving a dystopian state where all men are castrated, then there's no hope continuing, you've wrapped your mind around a misrepresentation and wont let go. I'd urge you to read at least the introduction of "The Second Sex" but I won't hold my breath.

I'm going to the movies, goodnight guys
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>>575266203
probably display shit
but bro i agree with you. my gender are fucking morons
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>>575257942
SJW SPOTTED

nigger lies start fires

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>>575264583
Lol no no no

Feminism wants me to acknowledge her achievements because it is exactly 20% easier being a man. Being a woman is like being on hard mode or some bullshit.

They specifically look for "inequalities" and then make threats and false accusations to spread lies about what the average woman in the first world goes through.

Then when logical though or reason is applied, suddenly the only words I can hear are CIS SCUM, THE PATRIARCHY, or my favorite, SEXIST BIGOT.
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>>575257942
Feminism is needed unfortunately too many people who call themselves feminists are actually bigoted against men and minorities. The movement loses credibility when they aren't called out on this.
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>>575265939
There's already a woman on youtube who calls herself the Femtheist and wants the government to create a holiday in which all men get castrated.
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>>575257942
>they are scared of it
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>>575265287
There you go, another problem of feminism, compartmentalization.

He said religion is the reason for it, not that everyone who shares the opinion is religious.

Religion, while flawed, has many good qualities/messages that any human being could live by. There are bads, to be sure, as well but the idea that he was conveying wasn't that "religious people hurt feminists feeling and thus the word hurt carries meaning general" it was that religion has taught people over time to feel certain ways and feminism is fighting against the waves of that terrible earthquake. What I'm saying is that feminism is basically trying to yell back in time instead of dealing with the situation in a manner that would benefit all.

I'm more and more convinced that feminism is being ushered by the type of woman that would yell across the house rather than walk up to the person and speak to them. I think they are stuck in that chair.
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>>575266515
keked
she's certainly a nice person
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>>575266104

If more people had this attitude...

Ignorance is not shameful unless it's willful, and being able to admit ignorance is a sign of true wisdom. TY for your post, it gives me hope.

It gets frustrating. I've always prided myself on treating people equal regardless of gender, race, religion, or whatever. I judge people only based upon their actions, specifically those around me... and now I have a scant minority of "Feminists" and other progressives who call me everything from racist to transphobic when I question their opinions (even if I don't disagree with them).

It sickens me. This society of groupthink is toxic. I've gotten called a racist 15 minutes before my friends showed up at my apartment to smoke weed and listen to local rap. I don't have a single white friend who lives within 1500 miles of me. Not one. All my friends are Jamaican.

it's just so fucking frustrating. You try to be a good person, and these fascists want to tear you down.
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sex is bad. sex is a bad thing. it's fun, but it's a bad thing. the whole hypocrisy society has regarding sex and age of sexual participants proves that most people deem sex as a bad thing, they're just addicted to it.that's what makes people adhere to dumb hypocrite rules "I don't want my daughter sleeping with no body, but I'm gonna have sex with as many women I can"
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>>575266276
Fucking finally.

This is a porn thread now. Look at all these objecticals. Re-posting a few things from an /hc/ thread.
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feminism doesn't want equal rights, it wants extra privileges awarded to women regardless of merit.
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Because women are don't want to do the equal work for equal pay. Which "Feminism" has become an male blame game which women feel they can make false accusations
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>>575266276
It's about being free, no matter what it takes. So i took the most edgy examples. If you still believe this is not the case then it probably means that you're badly minsinformed or still living in 2010 so i recommend toy story 3 since you're going to the movies anyway, that is a pretty baddass movie. Man talking about feminism? Oh wait! Is a man daring to talk about what is feminism to a feminist? Yes. Welcome to 4chan.
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>>575266853
Sex isn't bad. It's more like people are irresponsible with sex.
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>>575265287

Just because some men are assholes doesn't mean we need to change the law, setup indoctrination schools, and socially ostracize everyone who questions the predominant ideology.
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>>575266107
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No, implying you don't know the difference between a philosophical idea and a group of people who endorse said idea.

Capitalism has never fucked over the world economy to get richer, but some capitalists may have.
Nazism has never killed a single Jew, though some Nazis have done so.

You need to learn how fucking words work before you try to use them in public.

You can't give Feminism credit for doing anything, because Feminism doesn't have arms and shit enabling it to go out and do stuff. If you want to attribute credit for doing anything, then you need to be pointing at actual fucking people, as they are the ones who have the ability to do shit.
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>>575266863
More objectified women. I can't believe this patriarchy.
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>>575257942
Because the decent common white male is fucking tired of having to tip toe around all conversations because fucking anything can be construed as sexist or racist. There are differences between sexes and races but we don't respect that fact. People assume those differences are a deficiency. Differences do not mean unequal. I'm fat, but I'm not going to sue Chippendale's for not hiring me as a stripper.

Everybody wants to be a fucking victim, fuck that.
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>>575266981
nah sex is bad. you can't be "irresponsible" with chess. sex has such a huge negative social impact for a reason
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>>575266104
Suddenly I feel myself able to be attracted to you. Sorry for sexualizing you in such a way. If you really are female, inb4 no girls on internet, I want you to know that you are the first woman I have ever heard approach the matter honestly. Thank you for this. Could I bother you for some opinions on the matter? Maybe a snippet of some personal unrelated work or art? Sorry if that sounds crazy but you don't know how crazy all this feminism has made things.

I think you helped me realize how unintellectual I tend to be.
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>>575267004
>>575266107

First post was made by retard stormfag, ignore it.

Questioning feminism does not mean you question the "people status" of women. Are you really that fucking retarded? Read 1984 and pay attention to "thoughtcrime" because that's exactly what you're doing.
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>>575267227
you're being silly but this is a big issue. virgins think they can be attracted to text on a screen and don't need to meet in person. it's so sad.
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>>575266276

It's nice how you cherry-pick which arguments you want to respond to, confining them to the craziest motherfuckers who question you and ignoring all the rational criticisms.
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It's not a bad thing, it's just the loudest voices have the shittiest ideas
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>>575266276
the extremes are set in place for the negotiation. No, shit, it's just a play on the concept of the divorce. Something women seem to need too.

If all men are potential rapists then eventually it'll be only some.
Freely castrate? okay, maybe maim or bleed. Hmm, circumcise?
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>>575267154
It's not bad. People are bad for practically worshiping it and not knowing how to be responsible with.
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>>575267360
I'm not the same anon as you can check by my ID; stop being an asshole for once, would you? I fuck my girlfriend every weekend and still get myself feeling attracted for inteligent people, and inteligence may be expressed in various forms, spoken, written, etc. This is not less superficial than feeling attracted for a pretty face or the way some person speaks or moves, and still we have many people feeling attracted by those.
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This. Sex isn't such a big deal. Seriously. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, it's pretty much the most intimate you can be with someone. Yeah, it feels amazing.

But none of that lends it the mystical qualities these faggots imbue it with. Fuck, hardcore atheists who decry all other mystical shit will sometimes attach inordinate values to sex and sexuality, with no sense of hypocrisy whatsoever.

It's just not that big a deal.
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>>575257942
The problem with "feminism" is not so much anything the original idea (women should have equal rights to men) as the way people interpret it today.
Completely unscientific gender studies have created a warped version of the ideology that is propagated mainly by women who have had extraordinarily bad experiences with men and make a false generalization of those experiences. That generalization combines with a redefinition of rape (a man holding a door for a woman is rape, a man who lets a woman cook for him is a rapist etc) to form a very toxic world view that holds that all men are inherently evil and make women victims.
That is the most extreme form of modern feminism and sadly most currently found vocal feminists hold either this or a weakened version of it to be true. This results in a lot of men being told horrible things and just saying *nope*. But then the feminists say that ignoring them is ALSO rape and is PROOF that they are right, so they become more and more convinced of their misguided ideology and thus push harder and harder against men. This becomes a vicious circle or even a downward spiral in which feminists accuse men of all kinds of atrocities and men pushing back. The ultimate result is the "feminazi" type people fighting with some of the most retarded men out there on the internet... gaining a high profile in regular media and looking like a battle of the sexes even though only roughly 1% of the population is actually involved.
For feminism to be taken seriously again it needs to base itself on science to find what the biological and neurological differences are between men and women and THEN think about how society can be adapted to give both sexes equal oppertunity... But gender studies needs to be thrown into the trash first because it's a neomarxist ideology looking for war instead of a proper science.
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>>575257942
it perpetuates the advancement of one group of people while shunning all people who dont fit into the standard definition of "female" thus all but assuring that equality will never be attained. same goes for so called reverse racism and the "culture of fear" that black people have created for themselves
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>>575267848
same anon as who? not sure what you're talking about.

yes, this is a big issue. it is far superficial in a different way.

and no one believes you when you brag on here. i thought that was pretty obvious.
fuck you don't even know if this is really a woman or not. she could be deformed or old or fat, you have no idea.

but you're right just seeing a pretty face on a picture is also not right.
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>>575267360
That or the lambasted. Feminism literally ruined my life. Your post brought a sense of reassurance, something I need a lot of considering the women in my life are of a minority founded on minorities to the umpteenth degree. The push for equality rings euphoric and they don't see that only they can hear it that way.

Still, an attraction shouldn't be a matter of courtship. I wanted to hear about how you thought. I wouldn't trust /b/ to allow conditions for us to speak more privately anyway. I've been here long enough to know that.

I wouldn't call it a big issue in and of itself, rather that it is here to herald a future event. People just aren't keeping up with the standards.
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I feel like I've got it pretty good. Even as a kid I never felt that men had it better, or that I couldn't be or have something because men wouldn't let me, or whatever feminists think. I love the men in my life, my man, my family, my friends, I just don't give a shit about feminism because I don't need it. I don't see the point, at least in my society, there's nothing it can give me that I don't already have.

Plus I hate feminists saying shit like, there aren't enough women in ____ traditional male job field, because they don't want to accept that there are certain things that women just can't do and if they can a man can usually do it way better than them. It's just something that needs to be accepted, we're different and there are many times that there's nothing we can do about it, and blaming men oppressing women is ridiculous.
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>>575268467
how did it ruin your life? i'm curious.
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>>575260678
kek
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>>575267407
you dont love me :(
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>>575268682
I supported a righteous and equally ignorant feminist minority through University, meanwhile I neglected my own studies. She was "clumsy" and would "accidentally" cause a lot of physical harm on me. She was boisterous and her opinions ended up getting me into a lot of trouble. She was daring and managed to get me in trouble, I was her scapegoat, with true and actual political movements. I fell into debt in a time when I was physically hurt, from her clumsiness, and that eventually turned into all sorts of stressed out and constrained. Her emotions got the best of her and she lied to her family about me to get them to back her in covering up a real assault case against me. ( They shot a gun or popped some kind of combustible off by my ear. ) I now have nerve damage in my left hand and ear which make it hard to draw. I used to do graphic design, now I do programming. I don't feel like the same person anymore. I'm ashamed to join my once circle of friends because we have the same friends.

Shall I go on?
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>>575257942
I spent the last 3 years of my life dating a femaninst SJW.

I could have spent that time fucking hot chicks. Tell me /b/, I'm 23 and attractive, am I still young enough to go Fuck college girls without it being weird?
Am I still young for a few more years?
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>>575268218
Most of the time people are not who we believe they are, even when we know their face, gender, family, work. But tell me, is this "bad girl" pose you're doing here a way you found of including yourself on /b/ or are you actually that idiot?
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>>575269231
Oh yeah and before you say anything, I tried breaking up with her. She didn't want to let go and somehow ended up pregnant. She lied to me, at first, told me that she was 2 weeks pregnant when I first found out. 2 weeks later when I went to the hospital with her, she was 2 weeks pregnant..again.

Believe it or not, and not considering the damage to my body, that child is the greatest thing to have ever happened to me. The only downside is not being able to perform at the level I used to be able to perform and still have to provide. It's a lot of stress and it just gives her more fodder to ride the feminist train on. If you want to know how bad the damage is...I can't hear high pitched noises or the whistling sound in a sharp spoken "s" sound without some sharp sensation to the left side of my head. This shit wasn't on accident. They already knew and know how to use it to make me hurt.
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>>575266203
I have asmall monitor and can read it fine. It's kind of blurry at the level of zoom, but not painfully
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>>575269231
i'm not sure what this had to do with feminism. she just sounds like a horrible human being. they all sound like horrible people.
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>>575269654
They are the voice of feminism around these parts. Anyway, I guess it's more that I see parallels in their behaviors/methods and the feminist message that gets passed around in the more outward circles. She has these euphemisms where she says that she doesn't do this or does give that, but it turns out to be that she was just creating a situation for the message to be misconstrued.

I know this is more proof that she is a horrible person and doesn't say much about feminism but around these parts her message blends well with that of other minorities speaking solely to be heard. If I said anything that went against her, she would spout feminist propaganda. To this day, she is in line with the feminist hype train. Just last week or the week before she was talking about how I'm not her child and I don't belong to her. When all I was doing was asking for more time with my kid and wondering why we can't get along.
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>>575261245
i'll just leave this here.
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>>575270067
I know I said euphemisms and didn't explain myself properly but I couldn't recall immediately and hoped the rest of what I said would remind me.
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>>575270134
Topkek
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>>575266796
Glad you cared to read. I am frustrated too. I try to treat people equally as well. I get pretty pissed off when I see women shit talk men in order to defend a point and then call it feminism. It's abrasive, and sometimes embarrassing for me to be honest. It's sad when people entirely miss the point and decide to be hypocritical.

>>575268467
I've been here on /b/ long enough to be surprised that anyone gave a shit about what I said. I don't really know if there's anything that can be done. The worst aspect of this whole subject imo is the focus of rape culture. At least, in this country anyways...
>Everyone knows rape is illegal.
>It's idiotic to think feminism could possible stop people from raping.
>People get raped. Not just women.
>It's fucked up, and authorities are to blame.
>We all know this.
>So teach your daughters to call the fucking police when something bad happens to them. And when the police say:
>"Sorry, tough luck, lol you drank too much, stupid skanky college girl, will open legs for anyone."
>Make sure it doesn't get swept under the rug.
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