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>>571165973 No your just some idiot who needs to feel important. When people refer to the illuminati, they're not reffering to a actual organization like mcdonalds. Shows how 'illuminated' you are. They're putting a term to a gut feeling. You could call them the kodefoeroeoifdokvfdojpjer if you fucking like ok? They want to control everyone's minds and they're doing that through television,media,music, and good old bloodshed. There is nothing enlightened about suppressing whole populaces you dipshit wannabe.
>>571164739 The eye represents the third eye. The third represents your thoughts, your vision, your imagination... they want the world to think this belongs to them. and many peoples thoughts are controlled every second of every day until they die.
>>571167823 the information i gave was accurate. if you are discerning enough to check it for accuracy, you should be intelligent enough to have a methodology for doing so.
but to answer your question, no apparently not.
>>571167828 >When people refer to the illuminati, they're not reffering to a actual organization like mcdonalds. actually most are referring to the illuminism doctrines that spread from adam weishaupt to freemasonry (as documented by george washington, of all people)
i could understand how your lack of familiarity with illuminism, coupled with a tenuous grasp of english comprehension could lead you to such an erroneous conclusion
>They want to control everyone's minds and they're doing that through television,media,music, and good old bloodshed. sounds pretty damn organized for something that isn't organized
>>571167884 in what way am i hiding? and who is the "them" i am hiding from?
>>571168667 lol I understand english better then you. It's as if everything i said flew over your head. It's ok, your not actually enlightened, so it makes perfect sense it would.... When people refer to the new world order or the illuminati, unless they're in a goddamn history debate like your fucktarded ass, they're refering to a INTUITIVE feeling that is the result of a group of people controlling us. They are organized you fucking idiot they control all the corporations, doesn't mean people know exactly who they're referring to when they bring up the NWO or Illuminati or 'a secret society controlling us'.... Because they're not a club like the fucking mickey mouse club. you moron, they don't have a customer service hotline... god your so little minded.
>>571169650 look its a single eyeball and that refers to the third eye. screw your punctilious attention to detail. Use your intuition, mr illuminated. They flash it around like a goddamn gang symbol, what else would i take but that they're acting as if they have ownership over the third eye? I mean they don't let people use their own thoughts. everyone is a hollywood drone faggot for satanism.
>>571170648 100% guaranteed based off ? prejudice. your prejudice. oh so we're going to replace the christian prejudice with your even more rigid NARCISSISTIC prejudice? there you go un-enlightening the people again with your narrow minded view of things. Sure, all intuition is schizophrenia... lol... your just... soooooo enlightened. So enlightened you just said your inner voice is schizo. so ya good job on that. sorry just because your a schizo and your hiding it doesn't make every intuition a delusion.
>>571171005 Ok, I get it, a book of facts is the authority over your living soul. you're not capability of being your own authority and figuring things out yourself... hey guess what...?? your the same as all the brainwashed drones, only diffirence? you got a stick lodged ten miles up your urethra
>>571171707 >so we're going to replace the christian prejudice with your even more rigid NARCISSISTIC prejudice? the pitfalls of science are infinitely less, and infinitely more shallow than the pitfalls of religious dogma
science is guaranteed to be wrong, which is why it has an built-in self-correcting system.
i didn't say intuition is schizophrenia.
in fact that is the opposite what i said (Which was that paranoid schizophrenia DOES NOT EQUAL intuition)
which is why you should ignore the schizophrenia, and listen to your intuition instead
>>571172326 uh huh and your saying that everyones intuition that we're under the control of a nefarious force with bad intents is schizophrenia, based on what? who the fuck are you? oh you read a couple weishaupt books? oh you know how to spell his name correctly? well aren't you just so special
>>571172693 you didnt say anything about a timecube fuckface you said that everyone who said the new world order is 100% guaranteed bullshit. well guess what, after saying something that bullshit, the only one bullshit now is YOu
>>571172892 hey anothernobody, just wanted to let you know, you don't know wtf ur talking about. he thinks that people all intuiting that there is a NWO is schizophrenia, ya based on what? no its not its intuition, so therefore, he's labelling all intuition as schizophrenic because he's saying that a whole giant block of people intuition is just schizophrenic... ok so what else does GODMAN tell us our minds think is a delusion?
>>571173202 hahahahaha but i'm not the one with a severe case of being a fucking loser nobody gives a fuck about that needs to read some illuminati books so he can feel smarter then everyone? aka a fat little shitbrain narcissist
>>571173610 of course i comprehended it. and i pointed out how bad of a comparison it was. I can't believe you didnt get that.... I can believe you never responsed to how delusional it is to think 100% of ppl who talk about the NWO are bullshit... because of course you don't want to face your wrong!
What most people need to understand, is that the actual organisation holds little power. It's the people within that matter; not the title of their unification.
People in powerful positions (high detail bankers, lawyers, military personnel, religious leaders, CEO's ect ect) attract people of the same statue. They don't interact as much with people less influential from a face to face value.
That said, when these people seek a certain room to discuss their humane views (religion, sex, politics, economics, ect ) they will converge to a similar standing organisation.
That organisation then also makes sure it holds the same quality regarding the guest-list, and nature of pricing and social interaction.
It could be any organisation, with any name. Although the historical fact does hold some signifcance of course.
>>571174058 I didn't come on 4chan toprove to a loser like you im sane. I'm obviously better then you, personality and intelligence wise.... so time to take the low shots ok i can do that... your a dumbfuck did no one tell you that? ok well now you know... does it hurt? does it not fit with mommy and daddys lies? awww ur NOT a special person after all.... awwwww
>>571174509 ya well same too you. and guess what? nobody took your serious. nobody thinks your in the illuminati fucking wannabe fagtard. why don't you go copypaste some more egyptian google articles or some shit you lame tard.... ROTE memory doesn't make you smart, your just like a annoying parrot to a real genius like me.... oh don't you slaves always call us insane? lol yes you do, they always call the creative genius's insane in their time... so more FACTUAL proof im the sane genius, your the ravenous lunatic, not that your false self illuminist wasnt bad enough for your sanity plea lol :D
Only the French sector of the Freemasons don't require you to believe in a supreme creator. This actually fueled some debate between the other countries' lodges. However, every country has their own right to organising. It's not unified on a low-key level.
As the majority of the lodges, it is requested that you believe in a creator; a supreme architect (architech: as a reference to Masonry in a historical context).
A religion is not needed, as you can be "spiritual" but not organised in a group.
>>571175083 >but you could fool them into thinking you sincerely believe in a god when you don't Why would you want to do that? Why would you want to be part of an organisation which doesn't share its beliefs with you?
>>571175083 ya dat guy gits it he's in my illuminist club too. we meet and suck eachother off and talk about how like we know more then everyone and like omg everyones so dumb for thinking anythingif it isn't gaytard approved by us with our cocks in eachothers mouth. ya, im in the freemason,im illuminati, and like we're good guys. were here to enlighten stuff, thats why in space um you see lights on erf cuz we r lighting up duh planet. ner science is win ner. thats you in a nutshell
>>571175594 how would you know ? your a common idiot, def not 1 to judge :) proof? you just said renown proves creative capability... lol faceslap... u wannabespecials r gonna have ALOT LOT LOT LOT 2 learn
>>571176653 sure i guess if you all get together and agree i'm butthurt, i can be in your delusion little heads. I'm so butthurt I have a mind and your all brainwashed... owwww it hurts so bad... PLEASE fill my head with societal brainwashing so i can be a stuckup knowitall with all of you enjoying the fruits of my labors AKA NO LIVES. and no not because your on 4chan, because you're so fucking dumb now you literally spout nothing but memes I was actually using when they mattered.... lol... hey i get it your a major loser with a major coolness complex, time to get on here and play catchup
>>571176929 too bad all they're going to give you is some retarded serotonin uptake inhibitors. But you don't care, because ALLLLLLLL ARRBBITTTRRAAARRRYYYY AUUUTHHHOORRRITTTYYY OVER ME IS RIGHTEOUS AS LONG AS ITS NARCISSISTIC... you in a nutshell again. excuse my creative genius, he just knows you better then you yourself know yourself :D
Haha. Alright; good to see another enlightened person, so to speak.
I find it laughable that such a large extent of modern literature regarding the Freemasons and the Illuminati circulates around the suspicion and suspension of a NWO type plan.
First of all, such a plan is more handily invented by other organisations in more strategic military positions.
That said, eg. unification of currency is been said to be one of these plans. Any organisation full of high profile bankers/CEO's would deem it in their best interest for this to happen. So I can see where it stems from.
It's similar to associating satanism with pure evil. You should look at the people, after all, as they are the ones who instigate the portrait behaviour. Not their ideologies in their literature.
What makes you cringe the most regarding the entire accusation-atmosphere around this?
>>571177421 ahahahaha, yes if your a genius, you have to be on the tv huh? whose to say i want to be heard of? Obviousy, I'm the greatest sight of intellect you retards have seen in awhile. Otherwise how come the immense interest? oh ya, cus i r dumb huh. sure keep calling the lightning rod dumb, your gonna get shocked though
>>571177548 of course i didn't think you'd actually get treatment... and if you actually thought i thought that.... goddamn, wtf do they need you for? your fucking clueless to interpersonal dynamics true meanings lol
>>571177564 >What makes you cringe the most regarding the entire accusation-atmosphere around this?
..that people actually take david icke genuinely seriously.
even though the only think the reptillian annunaki alien bullshit is based off are sitchin's sumerian translations which are PROVEN wrong beyond any and all doubt (in fact, you could disprove the scripture yourself, without ANY background in philology whatsoever, just using the online sumerian cuneiform library)
despite the fact he claimed to be the son of god despite the fact he says aliens rule our planet (via illuminati ofc) to harvest gold for their planet despite the fact he says those aliens have been here for 15k years (they can travel inter-planetary distances, but they can't mine earth's gold in under 10k years) despite the fact he has made TONS of demonstrably false claims
people still take him seriously.
he will die, and there will still be fools who consider him an agent of truth
>>571178418 i lash out this way because the big stink ass narcissist in the room always wants to tell everyone they're wrong for their intuition... because of some factoids he's deployed to back his cause, facts that he only looked for to back up he already engrained prejudice against anyone who doesn't want to be a loyal slave like himself. oh and why am i being a troll? oh nobody is allowed to feel anything and have a conviction nowadays? a troll is a term weak minded people apply to anyone with intellect dissent against their arbitrary intellectual authoritarianism. YES... i do HATE idiots who come on here to say' actually the illuminati is good because ner ner ner' ok sure, totally ignore the reality of this world you schizophrenic delusional idiots. Um as far as too emotional, ya well guess what we're emotional, we're opressed, knowledge is hidden from us, we don't know the FINE FUCKING DETAILS and we DONT NEED TOO because we're humans and we're psychic spiritual beings. We know because of intuition nudges us with the reality because its CLEAR AS FUCKING day this world is under nefarious control but weak minded people like mr illuminst here dont want to face that theyre cowards and would rather hide from the truth and tell themselves alls well in hell because some fucking book proved one little factoid you looked for to be true... wow good job !
>>571179951 i never said aliens don't exist or haven't visited us (though having seen UFOs on tryptamines, and given that humans have taken tryptamines as long as there have been flying beings depicted, i think drugs are suspect)
i said david icke's explanation of annunaki was based only in sitchin's work, and sitchin's work is demonstrably false.
David icke is just a small scoop of the icke-berg.
However, some of his ideologies aren't that morally wrong, and he has a few truths here and there (from what I remember). The problem is, like with many of these advocators, that they mix a tremendous amount of factual info, with pure rubbish. That, and they are prone to jump to conclusions. Of course, if you sell conclusions as a profession, you can't expect much else from a market perspective.
What makes it worse it that these people stain legitimate research and theorists with interesting axioms.
For example, after years of reading, I came to a point where I consider the UFO/alien phenomenon, and it's claims, plausable. I must add it is coupled with a lot of legitimate research papers, were-under the absolutely terrific French government research report confessing the legitimacy.
However, these "tin-foils" add a lot of strain to the community, and overflow it with fear, dissolution and such. No realistic debate.
>>571180736 the problem isn't life occuring on other planets
there could be life as near as europa
the problem is the immense distances that need to be traveled, for no apparent reason.
there is a reason that every single legitimate scholar looking for alien life isn't combing through the history books
but i didn't take drugs one time, i took them many times.
i only had a UFO come land on a lake not more than 30 feet from my face once
and it was only when my 5-ht2 receptors were being agonized by exogenous tryptamines.
...tryptamines that are known to have been ingested by humans going back into prehistory
what is more likely, an alien spends hundreds of years travelling to a random planet in a random outer spiral arm of a random galaxy, just to fuck with a human (no reason to suspect we would be more interesting than say a birch tree) for ten minutes, and then spend hundreds of years going home......
...or a guy does drugs and sees things commonly reported by people who do drugs?
i realize occam's razor is a fallacy but.. come one
First off, let me clear up why some people react to you in the way you are describing. You come of a little presumptuous, meaning that you immediately think I am not aware of the control schemes in media, politics, scientific research, ect. That, and you assume I am here to lighten the accusations of the organisations. I am not, in a direct sense. Also, your emotional responses are understandable to me, but not to everyone at every time of the day. That's why I, for example, reply a little less garish.
The point I made earlier >>571174591 reflects well on that. My point is that the people who are in the organisation should be looked at. Eg. CEO's of Monsanto, or the military industrial complex. You probably know the tune of the jingle by now.
The presumption that the entire organisation's agenda is that of the people, can allude you that the people are not to blame.
It's a bit like the anology of the leader of a terrorist group; if you remove him, you still have the group. The people within matter more than their literature and rules.
Don't forget, they write the rules so you can break them. They won't be a shame to break those themselves.
That said, on a spiritual side, the things get very different. An agreement on this side is ... more powerful.
>>571182161 so you saw it on drugs? what about the none drug influenced sightings? 100% guaranteed schizophrenia bullshit again ??? or are you running on the assumption everyone is a pathological liar?
>>571182691 >what about the none drug influenced sightings? theoretically those could still be explained by endogenous tryptamines (monomethyltryptamine, dimethyltryptamine, 5-methoxy-dimethyltryptamine, et al)
http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/the-world-of-mind-control-through-the-eyes-of-an-artist-with-13-alter-personas/ This is a very good article about a woman's battle with the mental health issues that come from satanic ritual abuse aka Mk ultra programming.
>>571182384 well good for you, your a grey grab drone just like everyone else... I know i know, bite my tongue and don't exist because it might make the mcdonalds gobbling lady gaga loving retards who play a ted talk once they reach 20 to figure out how to sound smart.... OH NO! i might hurt someones feelings for expressing my real thoughts without walking on eggshells for there infantilized egos... truly a ILLUMINATED SOCIETY, huh mr illuminist?(oh ur not mr illuminist btw... its the guy who said he's illuminati) Ok i get what your saying otherwise and i'd tend to agree obviously its pretty damn basic... psychopaths know psychopaths and they click up and work together.
Just to put a different topic on track which has been already slightly covered;
The UFO phenomenon has been through history excessively recorded with at times remarkable accuracy, and similarity. That, and in the last century, and this one, it's been found back on so many documents, and such a quantity of personnel have come out to testify, that it should not be brushed away that easily.
What I find most interesting, and presumptuous, is the disagreement based on the reason why they might come here.
As of first; if a species is capable of such remarkable technological feats, then a snark question why they would come here out of all places, is too vague. After all, we (SETI) are looking too, and we have a much smaller estimated technological scope.
Further, the actual consequences of mankinds technological advance could pose a threat to ourselves and those around us, especially if you look at the incremental grow rate of technology, and the capacity of energy. The quantum flux comes to mind. Of course speculated, but not unable to exist.
>>571184639 i'll talk to you again after you get over your butthurt, you can't address any of my points, so your obviously just in this to feel smart, well enjoy it theres a bunch of retards you can post all about how you know it all and your in the big boy club k?
>>571185007 no shit fucktard, I've known that then longer b4 you decided to pretend to be interested to sound smart to cover up for your inherently flawed personality.... oh and yes it did make sense, that's why you replied to it. because it made sense... you're crazy acting like things that make perfect sense don't... THATS INSANITY. um ok, so this conversation doesn't exist too you because serotonin. errr.... ok ya, trust this guy to get us out of a giant social head fuck that is todays society.... sure.... the guy who doesn't even believe anything is real. why? cause no book told him it is yet. lol
You explained clearly by this post why a lot of people don't find it desirable to debate with you. You seem to immediately wash over my formally constructed response, and attack me, on the presumption "i am one of them", so to speak.
I even tried to negate that stance in my last reply.
You must either be trolling or really thick (hard to talk to).
>>571185469 ok i'll just let you keep answering your pretend fans, ok mr special illuminati ? your still the lunatic that thinks that this conversation doesn't exist because serotonin. lol moron pretending to be smart, how adorable
>>571185935 you said ufos don't exist because tryptamine exists in our brains. thats what you said. gross misunderstanding? ok then clear it up. oh but wait your not here for that, your here to build up your fan base for pretend club.
>>571186229 >your still the lunatic that thinks that this conversation doesn't exist because serotonin i am not sure if you actually think i believe this because you are unable to comprehend english...
>>571187572 lol @ u being the thread mommy. I answered your dumbfuck inquiry anyways so i don't get what your problem is.... I said, yea, psychos click up. run the press lol you figured out a tiny tiny bit about subjectivity... yay for you! if you were actually in it for a intellectual debate instead of just being a big infant crybaby youd continue with a reply instead of shaming me for not tending to your weak ego and need to fweeeeellllll smart. Ya, well I think your dumb as poop about now
All I've got to say in this matter is even the most experienced Freemasons under the 33rd degree are still MAJORLY misinformed. Once you turn 33rd you discover a lot, like every level up to 33 was just a diversion test. You may think you have all the answers and your logic is legitimatized by your labels, but in this universe in which you of all people should know anything is possible in, your just as lost as the sheep.
>>571188762 therefore, no aliens, by mr knowitall in the illuminati(aka a very peaceful organization controlling the erf for its spiritual advancement through various means such as miley cyrus, lady gaga, and mcdonalds to name a few. don't worry, we'll be enlightened b4 ya now it boys) ..............idiot
>>571189596 don't start trying to copy my format of my typing. I know i'm the most enlightened soul you've met in awhile... but hollywood brainwashed you wrong, cause because i'm your superior doesn't mean i want you to copy me. go develope your own sense of self please
>>571190361 ok so you think everything is all good because the illuminati exists, your in it, and lightbulbs light up the erf from space... thats what i summed up from you so far... oh and u were copying me buy ok keep pretending you have any individuality.
>>571189870 The people believing in the Illuminati is people who simply is socially denied, and has a need to feel like the smartest person in the room. You answer to comments like this one with personal insults, and denial, because again; you have a need to feel like you are right. And you want to believe it so bad, that you make little stories about crazy little Jewish people controlling, and brainwashing all of us. But not you of course. A twisted nut probably smoking weed and reading internet stories knows best. Of course.
>>571191942 >OH NO! i might hurt someones feelings for expressing my real thoughts without walking on eggshells for there infantilized egos.
explain to me how i CLEARLY have no idea what the definition is or the propose use of the word? seems like your just hoping i can't repost faggot... oh ya and ERF IS ENLIGHTENED CUS IN SPACE U CAN SEE LIGHTBULBS ON---still havent addressed how fucking retarded that was yet
>>571191706 “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years......It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.” -David Rockefeller
“This regionalization is in keeping with the Tri-Lateral Plan which calls for a gradual convergence of East and West, ultimately leading toward the goal of one world government. National sovereignty is no longer a viable concept.” -Zbigniew Brzezinski
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