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Drawbacks of scifi/futuristic tech nobody thinks about or that story lines adress poorly.
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I need to see the back of the picture to check out his shitter. Can't make an impartial decision without seeing this.
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how did the master chief's armor get upgraded in the time between Halo 3 and 4?
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>>570723821
Halo's "bio foam" solution to collapsed lungs. Which is ironic because filling your chest cavity with a foam or liquid is exactly the sort of thing that would collapse your lungs.
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>>570724078
maybe they meant filling the lungs with it
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>>570724139
Which is called drowning.
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>>570724139
Which just brings up the whole issue of rendering medical aid to a person sealed up inside a half ton metal suit.
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>>570724223
but its foam. you drown in water. who says the foam doesn't allow oxygen to be absorbed? They actually have an oxygenated fluid in real life that you can submerge in and you dont need to breathe because the oxygen is being absorbed from the liquid directly into your lungs
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There's usually a shoehorned answer to any sci-fi conundrum. Let's see if we can sort this stuff out.

>using bright, visible lasers
>implying tracers don't work both ways

>500lbs of power armour
>not sinking into even slightly muddy ground

>implying hundreds of space warriors haven't died helplessly in their armour because their power cells malfunctioned during combat
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>>570724460
I'ma need some sauce to go with this.
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Maintenance must be a big issue.
>cost
>time
>difficulty
Think bulletproof vest vs fancy-ass suit or a laser gun vs AK47.
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What NO ONES mentioned spacemarines and there single piece ribcage that is SOMEHOW capable of flexing like normal?

This is a can of worms that needs opening.
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>>570724460
Idk, in the series they just use it as a convenient plot device. Somebodys gotta get shot to show how dangerous things are, but you dont wanna kill the charecter yet so the writer conjures up some sort of magic shit you pump into your chest. Bing bang boom, guys fine again (like in halo odst.) Hows it work? Science and shit. Whatever. Storys movin on.
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>>570724580
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_breathing
i remember they did it with mice. although they didn't last too long it did work
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>>570724580
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_breathing

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/into-the-abyss-the-diving-suit-that-turns-men-into-fish-2139167.html
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How is it all these series taking place huge amounts of time in the future always depict our force field shielded walking tank supersoldiers with more or less current era assault rifles? Youd think youd arm the truck flipping master chier with something a bit better than a space m16.
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>>570724907
I'm sure the Romans would have pictured us still using melee weapons. On a side note, If you look at soldiers from WWI to present, you can see a full circle of warriors transitioning from no armour, to simple helmets, to breastplates and (in the future) likely full suits of armour. Not everything goes away.
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Walkers are also silly if hovercraft or tanks are available.
>imagine if one of these things would fall over
>the walking mechanism would weigh a lot
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They always have spaceships with the bridge fully visible at either the top or front of the vessel. If I built a spaceship the control center would be nestled down in the deepest most heavily armoured, farthest from the hull location I could find.
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Ive got another. In the recent HAlo games like Reach and Halo 4, why cant the Spartans control the recoil? they can fucking flip a tank over but they can handle the kick of a pistol?
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>>570725161
Walkers can be explained with the help of advanced gyros a la Battletech fluff, also they are generally awesome, hard to fuck up except in the case of transformers.
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>>570725154
Im just saying, youve got a cyborg/genmod supersoldier who rips hatches off tanks. Okay so for some reason weve developed FTL but are still shooting bullets. So why doesnt masterchief have customized high caliber spartan specific weaponry? They took like 20 years training and designing him, and then they hand him a standard infantry rifle?
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>>570725179
That's clearly a looks thing. Again, however, battleships in recent history had their command decks placed very visibly at the top tier of the ship.
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>>570725529
Yes, that's silly but he gets his super special spartan laser AT gun, so there's that.
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>>570725479
Mechs are stupid and non realistic.
There is no need to produce them, they would be stupidly expensive and complex, they are weaker than tank, slower than aircraft, not as mobile as a tank or smaller armored vehicles, etc.
Even ignoring all that, they will never serve any role in the army.
Anything a mech could do a tank or an aircraft can do better, cheaper and faster.
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>>570725743
how about....

alien atmosphere where the gravity/airpressure wouldn't allow conventional flight...
and the terrain is very very dusty (tanks hate dust) and loads of trees (the added height of the mech would then be an advantage rather than a disadvantage)
?

admitteldy it is hard to imagine why anyone would fight over such a plantet
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>>570725975
>muh super specific and highly valuable minerals which we need more of for pylons
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>Walkers only have 2 legs ITT

Scarabs prople
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>>570725615
Mos Scifi intelligent aliens look like us (ie humanoid) and speak american accented english. I know, for game design and story telling purposes you cant have a main charecter be a gelatinous blob that communicates via ultrasonic farts, but maybe they could try a bit harder on the alienness of the other species. Instead of just "basically humans that look different."
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>>570725743
Generally, Walkers, Mechs, Gears, Frames, ExoArmors, etc, have flexibility and maneuverability over, say, a dedicated panzer.
Complexities would be involved but when aren't they? There is always a conceivable terrain type where one vehicular mode will be more ideal over another.
And remember, planetside isn't the only environment.
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>>570726193
Muh awoken
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>>570725975
I don't even know if that is possible man.
And mechs have a shitload of more moving parts than a tank.
Infantry supported by heavy armor would still do better than a mech in a world full of dust and fucked up gravity coupled with enormous air pressure, but it miraculously still has heavily wooded areas.
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>>570725975
You could orbit the planet with some sort of space craft that shoots missiles to the ground.
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>>570726193
Yeah, I agree. Unless of course their home world was very earth-like, then they would have evolved under similar circumstances, and may looks similar as a result.

>you will never battle sentient fungal clouds for control of a gas giant
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>>570726473
I never understood why somebody would go through all the above stated technological trouble of building a mech the just arm it with a giant fucking sword or melee weapon. The only series ive seen adress this was knights of sidonia where the only known method of killing the aliens is to penetrate the brain with a spear tipped with an ultra rare matierial that is toxic to them. Even then later in the series they find a way to mass produce it and make bullets for the out of it for the mechs chainguns to use.
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>>570726319
That only happens in animes and nowhere else.
The only terrain where mechs could have advantage is any densely obstructed area, like a jungle. But only a moron would design a weeboo mech for a specific terrain instead of just adapting already existing armament.

Why fight with mechs in space if you can just use fighters? Or maybe even battleships if they aren't that expensive.

Look man, walkers can be cool looking and awesome. Except anime mechs, all of those look retarded, but that's my personal opinion. But there is no reason to even invent them, because they do not fill a single roll and can be outperfomed by everything else.
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>>570726080
>it's impossible to find such minerals from space
>the only deposit is on a hostile planet
Scifi logic.
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>>570725743
>big ass barrel
>probably smaller then the projectile
some one doesn't understand gun physics
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Aliens armed with stone age weapons and thier oneness with nature defeating a mechanized military.
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>>570726917
>Except anime mechs, all of those look retarded
So much this.
>building robots that have a head and hands
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>>570727074
>trying to brink realism into 40k

>>570726872
It's the rule of cool. The same reason why Space Marines in 40 000 still use melee weapons like Chainswords. It's fucking awesome.
And mechs using swords plays on the weeboo idiocy of >muh katana
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>>570725198
bad shit happens when you dont let a gun recoil right
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>>570727302
Agreed, pic related is pretty much the only walker that I like the design off.
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>>570725529
they got the Splaser. i think it might be a morale thing like "oh the spartans using my gun, i can totally not die today"
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>>570726193
See convergent evolution theory
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>>570724743
it stops bleeding and cuts off pain receptors in the area so the soldier can just kinda ignore it and kill shit
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District 9:

Alien race have the technology to create a spaceship that can move lightyears without getting #rekt.

Only to get stuck in earths atmosphere and nearly starve to death
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>>570725975
Not remotely...

Mechs would suck harder in dust than tanks would. They would have more complicated parts...

>>570726319
Which is why modern day walkers are so great...

Wait wut it took 20 years to get a robot with wheels to walk up stairs and takes under 3 months for a fucking undergrad in engineering to make a robot with wheels do it.

>but space
Yeah in space we'll fight from ridiculous distances and unless you are more maneuverable than the shit being fired at you maneuverability will mean nothing as hiding behind something is impossible.
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>>570727772
The movie clearly states they were refugees with no grasp of the technology they were sent to the planet on. The entire end was the one guy trying to escape because he knew how to operate it (aka the master race dumped their space niggers on us)
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Building city sized spaceships, and only arming them with weapons that can engage at highly cinematic point blank ranges. IRL a space battle would be like a modern naval battle, two agressors targeting and firing at dots on a screen.
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>>570728063
This.
It would be a fire-and-forget battle.
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>Thousands of years in the future
>Still white, black, hispanic, indian, asian people

I've yet to see the orange skinned mucktuck race
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What about that four legged walker DARPA is fucking around with?

Legs and mech obviously do have a place in the military if they're pouring money into the concept

2lazy2patelink
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>>570728063
Again, rule of cool.
What would you prefer to see/read?
>we have encountered a hostile nation's fleet
>they are really, really far away
>I ordered the deck to calibrate the distance and trajectory
>after giving the order to fire and waiting 10 minutes for a confirmed hit I returned to my quarters for a nice cup of tea

or

>we have spotted the enemy fleet
>quickly, get as close as possible to them and unleash our broadside
>holly fuck did you see all those bodies spewing from the holes
>sir half of our ship is missing, they nuked us
>damn we must ram them
>nice job sir, we managed to ram them direct into their medbay
>yes I can tell by all the pieces of flesh and blood everywhere
>anyhow, get out the miniguns time to take over this bridge
>but remember, leave the captain to me, I want to dismember him with my chain axe
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>>570727902
Milfag reporting in. Modern day tanks are the only machines ive ever seen where you can walk away from it leaving it in totally operation condition, and come back the next day to find out that it broke without anyone even touching it. Im assuming a mech would be worse sevenfold. In my military career ive noticed a pattern with all the futuristic shit they like to give us:
the rule of fail: the more hightech it is the more likley it is to fail.
second rule of fail: if its more likley to break, in combat when you need it the most, it WILL fail.
Im currently imagining mechs tripping, breaking knees, and twisting ankles. Hell, the worst part to have fail, the knees, are just right out there in the open waiting for some asshat with a rocket to break a power cable or destroy a servo. Joints, by nature, are also impossible to fully armor.
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>>570727902
Tanks throw their treads. At which point, they are hampered to stopped, depending on the tank.

Walkers are meant to get around that. And since the Google robots can run at 40 mph, a decent "walker" might be more useful than a tank. With 6 legs, if one breaks, it is still mobile.
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>>570728405
The hardest part of a space battle would be predicting the trajectory of your opponent. Chances are the main weapons would be something that disperses like sand, since the two craft will probably have high relative velocity anyway and colliding with any particles would be very damaging.
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>>570728551
Those are being developed as mules, to help carry soldiers their gear. It's mostly just prototypes and testing, because we already have tracked or wheeled RC vehicles who perform the same roll.

>>570728735
Which military? I'm guessing America, you guys can't into complex technology for some reason.
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I'm wondering where the endless amounts of metal to create all the superstructures and cities of pure fucking metal and all the mega spaceships comes from.
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>>570728924
Muricuh. most other militarys use lower tech than we do, which conversely, makes it more dependable. (Did some shit with NATO, got to see how euromilfags operate.)
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>>570723821
I think they said that Cortana was upgrading it from resources on the ship during the four years they were drifting. how she actually did so while he was in cryo is beyond me though.

>>570724907
they do have Spartan Lasers, and keep in mind that humanity is supposedly fighting a losing war and the Spartan projects were a very special and secret project that took a lot of allocated resources. The Spartan shielding is also derived from Elite energy shields and was added on short notice. It's really not hard to believe that their budgets and technological advancements would end somewhere. I mean thats really like saying, "Why don't the humans just have the best weapons and tech evar to wreck the universe."
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>>570728971
Space is full of metal, you could mine asteroids and shit.

>>570728897
>Chances are the main weapons would be something that disperses like sand
Yup, massive space shotguns. Or homing missiles.
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>>570728735
That's always the way it is. The more complicated it is, the easier it is to break. Mechs will follow the rule.

If you want to know the future of planetside combat, look towards the Hammers Slammers series.
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>>570728846
Yeah and it's easier to do an on site repair of a tread than performing on site repair to a mech leg that will break for the smallest reasons and if you're lucky thrown the whole mech down on you anyway.

>>570729129
I'm not arguing which army is has the most advanced tech, I'm saying that the Americans for some reason disregard anything that is too complex to create. Only Russia and the Jews can into that
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>>570729306
also the spartans werent even made to fight the aliens. they were made for top secret missions to kill rebels and shit
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>>570728971
Space is full of lots of metal. If you are space faring, you can pull up to mega asteroids stuffed full of whatever you are chasing. Iron, Gold, Silver, Titanium--- its all up there bro.

And of course, there is always mining outpost. Mars is full of metals, for instance. And they'd be easier to get to once planetside than on Earth. Lower gravity, less airborne particles to worry about, etc etc etc.
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>>570724317
the suits have a buncha ports and tubes running around for the biofoam shit and other chemicals
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>>570728640
hahaha I laughed thank you
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>>570728640
first one seems like a good read for a school essay.
nice and short
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So Lightsabers.
How do they get the laser to just stop?
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A guy with a metal or robotic arm attached to his flesh couldn't have all that much strength as some part of his body would have to take the torque. If it's massive enough to go through cement, it would be painful to carry around all day and would be a weakspot. Your buddies could just poke it and you'd scream as your sinews and fascia contort in ways they weren't meant to. It would only have to move slightly to cause pain. It would suck.
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>>570729129
who are you/were you with? 2/8 Marines here
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>>570729618
magnetic fields
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>>570729618
Been retconned to be magnetically contained plasma.
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>>570729618
It is just a plasma cutter.
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>>570729618
its a circuit. i dont remember how they explained it but it kinda makes sense. like the beam just folds back on itself depending of saber settings
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>>570729637
Was with 1/7 marines.
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>>570729618
Magnets and mirrors.
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>>570729618
Its not a laser
Its spun plasma in an energy field
It doesnt so much as stop than loop around
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Okay. I think weve beaten lightsabers to death.
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>>570729956
did we use vibroblades?
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>>570729618
biggest flaw with light sabers is hitting someone.
if matter gets heated it expands, now if you heat someones wrist from 30C to 10 millionC in a milisecond it will explode by the force of the expansion
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>>570729739
>>570729748
>>570729794
>>570729804
>>570729829
>>570729834
well fuck. i guess that makes sense
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>>570730012
>>570729834
this one is right
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>>570726319
>Panzer
Just say tank you fuckin faggot this isn't Nazi Germany
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>>570729820
Hollywood? ewwwwww
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Ok guys, how the fuck does Samus roll into a fucking basketball
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>>570730441
no fucking clue
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>>570725536
That is because being higher gives abetter line of sight, in space it makes no goddamn sense
>>570726193
its much more diverse in literature than it is in films because they need actors and complete cg special effects are expensive

i dont mind mechs so much its more rule of cool than anything else
personally I'm fucking sick of all the terrible space Cthulhus
also people should shut the fuck up about star wars
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>>570730101
panzer because old and outdated AND NOT VERY MOBILE, making a point you fucktard.

now a modern abrahm kicks ass and does like 40mph
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>>570730441
Yoga on mondays and thursdays
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>>570729987
for me it was always the lack of hilts.
Should've been able to cut opponent's hands off with a quick downswing. Yeah, the Force, I know
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>>570730430
29 palms. Is much suck. Fun to watch the mojave desert slay your sand flea infested bodies during predeployment workups though.
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>>570730563

when lightsabers collide theres a buncha plot friction that prevents them from sliding that far down
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>>570730441
They've replaced all the biological in her body with nano-machines. So she doesn't actually have anything that isn't mobile in her body.
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>>570730563
light sabers have hilts, thats where the laser comes from. and how else would they hold em?
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>>570730479
On the side, aynone can reccomend a good space-ship commanding//piloting game? I remember playing Freespace some years ago and loving it.
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>>570730637
Well to be honest, half of actual sword hilts wouldn't stop a good downward swing.
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>>570730664
I meant guards then, sorry but
I guess that >>570730637 got it anyway
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>>570730675
I enjoy the X series. They are cheap on Steam. Free on warez sites, of course.
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>>570730664
handguards, he means
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>>570730591
Hey, some of them were so big we could ride them into battle. Who needs a mech when you can ride a gargantuan sand flea
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>>570730774
>>570730765
there are some types of lightsaber that have guards made of little lightsabers
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>>570730658
so not only is Samus a girl, but she's a robot....inside a mechanical suit
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>>570730441
>>570730852
apparently she morphs into a ball because nintendo's programmers where too lazy to make a crouch animation
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In the future all wimmins clothing is skintight lycra but thats alright because we cured ugly at some point.
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>>570725743
m8 that is a baneblade
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>>570730852
Robots With tits and ladyparts. Not gonna scoff at that though, the first thing they will do with humanoid robots is figure out a way we can fuck it.
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>>570731073
In the future, only the poor women are "beautiful". Rich women pay surgeons to make them ugly, so people know they are rich. All the poor women are jealous that the rich women aren't perfectly symmetrical.
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Joints might be impossible to armor, but they are pretty easy to sand-proof with some kind of elastic rubber-like gasket. You can't do that with exposed rotating parts like wheels and threads.
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>>570731327
A great many companies and enterprising engineers have been working on this very issue for decades. We should have fuckable bots in the next 15 years. They'll start off kid sized, because that will be cheapest. That is totally going to screw up everything--- thanks to all the selfies screwing girl bot shots that will get posted and streamed. Think about it.
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laser are not even remotely qualified to be considered a weapon.not a practical battle one anyway
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>>570729628
So the only solution to that would be to go balls deep and create an extra internal structure or something
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It's really not that hard

>observe the insects and mammals around us that have reinforced exoskeleton armor
>see how their design effects their movement
>construct a human version of said armor
>realize insects and mammals just provided you good tips on how to armor yourself and still give you fluid maneuverability

It's really not that hard
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>>570728924
except aren't the legged mules being made so they can go through rough terrain that wheeled machines can't manage.
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why does every fucking starfighter fly like any regular-ass airplane in space?

i want thrusters everywhere to account for all axis
imagine the controls
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>>570731597
But the Air Force and the Army and the Navy are doing lasers. So they will be good enough to shoot mechanized targets and fast moving missiles. Army is even talking about hand held lasers, powered off a backpack battery. Still prototype at this point, but tech is moving on.
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>>570731924
Cause move makers don't do space--- they do airplanes.

Babylon 5 did actual space fighters. But the big ships were more wet water navy because even their artists had problems envisioning it.

Also, even the guys that know better find that basic airplane movements are artistically more pleasing, so they go with that over reality.
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>>570731929
They already build a plasma cannon That shoots toroid and balls of zappy death. At first when they were developing it everybody was like "well thats fuckin stupid" then it worked and the program went all super secret.
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>>570732202
That sounds exeedingly badass
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>>570723298
Funny thing i read about the T.A.L.O.S. armor suit thing the US army is working on or looking onto at least a few minutes ago.
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>>570731929
When I was a kid back in the 80s they shot down a cruise missile with a laser on the airbase my dad was stationed at as part of a test for the star wars program. If the military says "were just getting this" it usually means its been getting tested in a lab for the last 20 years. Hell nuclear, gauss, particle beam, and railgun weaponry was concieved in the late 1800s and early 1900s. They just didnt have the tech to be taken seriously for development until later.
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>>570731924
What is inertia?
you can use all axis in space but it takes far less energy to "guide" a forward moving mass than to change its direction completely. And its easier to build craft with load bearing supports that only need to take the strain from one or two directions and not all the possible directions. Again, inertia
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>>570729987
kinda like your body explodes if you're dumped in lava
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>>570723298

>Heavy armour kills mobility
>You can't see lasers
>lasers take time to melt through a target
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"Just a sec guys, I gotta touch my ear so that everybody knows Im talking on the radio"
-every scifi series ever even when the charecter has a helmet
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>>570730675
Elite: Dangerous seems to be pretty good, and star citizen if it lives up to the hype
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>>570733290

More of a movie thing so the audience knows the character is talking to someone offscreen.
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>>570730520
now THIS is a Panzer. Will go 45 mph...
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Magical space medicine. S'why I like warhammah 40k. All the dudes who get blowed up get uglier.
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>>570733785
Thats a leopard
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>>570732658
guiding would still take the same amount of energy in a vacuum
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>>570733938

Panzer means tank
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>>570733938
Leo 2A7

The German Army still call them Panzers.
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>>570733836

The dumbest thing ME2 did was kill shepard in the intro so they could bring him back like that.

Absolutely retarded and unnecessary. Writer clearly had to bring in more religious symbolism.
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>>570734046
Guiding as opposed to a change in direction?
pff no
Zero gravity and no air resistance doesnt mean mass has no inertia
It takes less energy to make course adjustments in a single direction craft than it does to move a craft in three dimensions.
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>>570725161
that glaring glass cockpit gives enemy snipers a clean shot at the head of the pilot
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>>570734470

but but but it's made of space magic glass, tank shells bounce off kekeke
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>>570734470
Pfft. No. Its super high tech space glass. Even a space katana manufactured at space nippon using trillion folded steel cant cut it!!!!!
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>>570734640

kek
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>>570729609
Yes. But that doesn't sell

>>570731230
I know

>>570733836
It depends on who the person is though. IG and Space Marines get augments that are functional and they don't care about the looks.
But the rich mofos, like generals, nobility, commissars etc. can get fixed and fully enhanced and still look 100% human. Add rejuvenile treatments and they look young and pretty, even though they are 200 years old and more than 50% metal.
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>>570732614
Thats just recruitment candy to seduce generation xbox kids into signing up.
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>>570734445
it's literally the same thing when it comes down to the physics,
there is a reason you accelerate around corners
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>>570735008
Well then how about one engine as opposed to 50?
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>>570725198
fucking this
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>>570724907
i want to know why these super soldiers don't have mini nuclear reactors on their back and why there are not nuclear explosions and dirty bombs when they get shot up / exploded / die

i mean, in order to power a force field that will stop high-velocity or high-energy projectiles you're going to need to have a lot of energy generated constantly to make it work... ain't no battery got power for that.
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Good aliens look like us, or atleast like something you wouldnt mind cuddling with, bad aliens are vicious monstrosities. Id like to see a story where we are allied with the giant spider people against the evil mind flayers that look like cute bunny rabbits.
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>>570725743
yeah, okay but if you have an S2 engine and you're trying to bring about human instrumentality, they're going to to be the weapon of choice against the angels. one of these mechs will eventually serve as the vessel to bring about the 3rd impact...

methinks you under-value mechs
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>>570735086
true
what if the engine wasn't in a fixed direction?
you'd still need steering engines if it was fixed since flaps and ailerons would have no effect in a vacuum
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>>570723431
You call it rg3
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>>570735409
we technically allied with the elites in Halo 3. they're anything but cuddly.
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>>570724736
more active/powerful diaphram, the rib cage doesn't flex
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>>570734217

actually it was to give a story reason for why you can make your character look different from the previous game.

Of course they ditched that on ME3
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>>570735368

In sci-fi energy is usually glossed over. In some, mainly books, they'll go into detail with some theoretical stuff that requires a level of miniaturisation.

nuclear reactors are a difficult thing to miniaturise.

>>570735986
So the whole resurrected man doesn't impact the story of the space Shepard?

They could have massive full body burns, melty skin style, no need to carbonise the entire body
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>>570735986
Also so that the plot could explain to newbs who skipped the first game everything they missed with the ol charecter has amnesia/been out for a while trope.
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>>570735656
What

>>570735409
>implying that humanity shouldn't just exterminate every xenos they meet
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>>570735862
wouldnt stop me from fuckin one
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all this walker anger is quite funny
tanks actually suffer on most terrain, they've been completely useless in Afghanistan because the terrain is rough
walkers would be able to cope with this much better
if you want proof, look at alpha dog, an attempt to support troops with walkers because of increased terrain capability
if you want more proof, look at how tanks coped with rubble in stalingrad
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