Ask a catalan that today protested with other 1.8M people for

>>568173794
Catalunya= Andorra V 2.0

>>568173794
Shut the fuck up, go back to the UPC.

>>568174153
>>568174046
/thread

>>568173794
Fuck off

Catalonia is Spain

>>568173794
Catalunya is doesnt want to be anything like Andorra.
Plebs.

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>>568173794

no one cares about you fuckers

>>568173794
Why are you such a fag ?

but then spain will look weird on maps.
europe says no

>>568174417

nice english faggot

>>568173794

what will happen to la liga if catalan leaves?

>>568173794
Why are you going to fail harder than fuck?

>>568173794
No one fucking cares about Spain anymore. Spain hasn't been interesting since it's last colony fucked off.

>>568173794
You mean spanish ?

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>>568174604
oh shit nigga
dont mock my 2nd language fuck fuck noooooooooooooooooooooooo

>>568174836
>>568174580
im too high for this shit
911 captcha
kek

>>568173794
NAZIonalists fuck off...

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How many of you does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

Also's why is that flag so fucking ugly and colored like a Mcdonalds?

Also should you get your independence will you declare 9/11 a national holiday.

>>568173794
>implying anybody outside of your little chunk of land cares

>>568174674
which one ?

>>568173794

1.8millions, when the newspapers and tv news are saying 400.000 to 800.000 tops

>>568173794
You wish you were Scottish.

>>568174991
9/11 is the national holiday of Catalonia, you stupid... google "Diada"

>>568173794
Barcelona FC sucks, would you agree?

>>568175106
Well, I don't support nazionalists, but i prefer to live in Barcelona, which is nicer and has more interesting jobs than Glasgow, for example, where people drink and fight, and girls are all fat or really skinny.

>>568175141

how can it be a national holiday when u're not a country?

>>568173794
So you're a Spaniard. Why am I even

>>568175103

So you belive in media. Cool history bro.

Porq lo echaron a martino del barcelona? Este luis enrique es uno mas de la mentira barcelonista

>>568175141
>implying anybody gives a flying fuck about some retarded Spanish nation

lol at you fags, must be hard to suck so many spanish cocks although that'd explain why you speak that way

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>>568175103
>newspapers
>tv
>true

barcelona population = 1600000
protesters in barcelona = 180000
seems legit

>>568175447

i was referring to the pro-separatist media, so even then op is a faggot

d'on ets?

>>568175568
Amerifag detected

visca jerc

>>568173794
What makes you think you can create a country with enough economic strength to keep a "1st world status"? If you get to become independent, Spain will ransack everything it can before leaving. You are nothing but a bunch of nationalistic fags who keep whining just for your skewed mental image of what it would be like to become independent. This also applies to Scotland.

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//*// !

Cataluña está llena de zorras. Todas muy remilgadas por la calle pero en la cama son unas guarras que lo flipas, de las más putas de ESPAÑA. TDS PTS

>>568174249
Scotland says hi, are you jealous?

>>568175852

in/b/4 forocoches

>>568175852
lern to english faggot people here don't speak catalanish

>>568175385
Nation != country, are you really that retarded?

>>568175852
Jolines!

>>568175295
Actually I fucking love Barcelona - I'd live there if:
a) I could speak Spanish better than a toddler
b) I had guaranteed employment (Spain's employment rate is especially shit right now isn't it?)
c) Had a single Spanish friend

But yeah, love Barcelona.

>>568175997
countryal holiday then?

>>568175852
toda la razón

captcha 911

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>>568175832
Why is that Cuban flag so weird? I hope they gave you your money back

>>568175946
Es:
> inb4

>>568175385
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_Catalonia

>>568176197
UV radiation can damage the fabric, changing white to a yellowish hue

>>568175997

again faggot, are you guys a country?

no? didn't think so

>>5681762
> newfag

>>568173794

that was inspiring

Quebecfag

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1 We don't speak spanish we speak catalan. 2 If don't know shit about it don't say shit. Does this look like 400.000?

>>56817601
It is shit for people who have studied philosophy or haven't studied at all (also for architects), but if you are a doctor, or an engineer you'll do fine. I am a computer engineer myself and if I want I can change my job tomorrow...

I love Scotland too :) you'll learn Spanish easily, we pronounce as it's written.

>>568173794
Did you came to Flanders 30th of march? Pic related

>>568176014
You can learn Spanish if you put interest on it, im learning english at 16 yo
If you have studies you can have a job not the best but you will have a payment
Also if you aren't a fat fag that expends all day on /b/ you can make some english / spanish friends

Un saludo desde Andalucia

>>568175832
White star is shit, only benefits the rich, I prefer the red...

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Spanish try to hid it on TV but there's nothing they can do. It grow every day

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Me gusta como a la mayoria de esos que estan en vuestra v son resentidos de la epoca franquísta, extorsionados a ir, porque si no van los jefes les despiden, y niños que los putos padres les lavan el cerebro con "españa es mala españa te odia" volved a la fila.

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>>568176607

does that look like 2 million?

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>>568176740
Forgot picture..

>>568173794
Si tot vos va bé, podem ses illes anexionar-mos?

>>568176980
idem

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Nobody can say a Chinese he is from french, as nobody can say we are spanish because we don't feel it. Nobody can force you to be what you are not

SOM I SEREM
(ESPANYOLS)

>>568176773
I'm rich

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>>568176980
Vivo en Barcelona, y estoy de acuerdo contigo.

>>568177324
If you are born in europe you are european
if you are born in America you are American
You can't change that, if you don't feel it, to bad

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mfw when i am op and live in quebec

>>568177324
torna quan puguis parlar anglès... aprende inglés antes de entrar aquí... come back when you can speak English

>>568177693
i was born while spain was not europe, what am i?

>>568177496
Por fin un Catalan que se siente lo que es, Español, bravo

>>568177820
not very smart to say the least

>>568176743
Andalucia...
I watched a BBC documentary about Flamenco in Andalucia - was really. good.

There was this miserable goat farmer who sung beautifully.

Well maybe I'll try harder with Spanish. I'd like to live in Barcelona - and it doesn't seem too affected by the shitty British tourists vomiting everywhere.

>>568177820

a retard

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>>568177324

>>568177820
a dinosaur
an ameba
a pangean

>>568177820
Too old to be hanging out in 4chan. But then again you probably are jobless and still live with your parents like most Spaniards do so who can blame you.

>>568177820
Where you born on the mesozoic or somehing? Even when Spain was not on the EU, Spain was still part of Europe

>>568177696
M'has fet caure al teu parany elaborat!

>>568173794
how closely are catalonians watching the scotland thing

Im agree with scotland, they were conquest and masacred by the english. They still feeling the rage about it. That spanish region was once of france, they gave us it back. I mean, what you dont like of us? why you are so fucking angry? why so "independencia"?

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Ok,OP.
How does it feel to be so fucking utterly stupid and gullible?

>>568178284
it's indapandansia respect their language spanishfag

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>>568177856
>Por fin
Anon, creo que somos muchisimos catalanes que no nos sentimos catalanes, mis padres, por ejemplo, también nacieron en cataluña, y tampoco se sienten catalanes.

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>>568178152

dont bother

How is that anybody suggest that ALL SPANIARDS should vote in the fucking referendum? what makes you think u can decide unilaterally to go away, Catalonia is part of Spain so everybody has the right to decide, catalonians and the rest of spanish people.

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>>568176607
>We don´t speak spanish

>>568178516

dumb seriously dumb

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Thats the way, also the catalonians are free to go where they want, the land its ours.

>>568178461
It's AN ANDA ANDAPANDANSIA you fascist oppressor.

>>568174604
Nothing, just like monaco is on the frenchy fags

>>568178675
explain why i'm wrong faggot

>>568173794
si, por favor, INDEPENDIZAOS y dejadnos en paz de una puta vez a los demás.
Pesados!

>>568177820
Has Spain changed its location since you were born?

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>>568178516
>How is that anybody suggest that ALL SPANIARDS should vote in the fucking referendum?
That's the problem, our president doesn't want to realize that referendum, but if we all vote pic related, we'll get that referendum.

>>568178284
Did you know the English and Scottish formed the United Kingdom PEACEFULLY? England didn't occupy Scotland (they couldn't if they tried), both countries came together and became close partners. They unified under the Treaty of Union because it would be mutually beneficial.

That ended hundreds and hundreds of year of fighting.

The idea that England invaded and 'stole' Scotland from its people is crap. Scotland chose to join England.

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>>568173794
lrn2history fucking retard

you'll never be a nation, cunts

Aragonese from glorious Crown of Aragón reporting

>>568177820
>what am i?
A faggoto.

calli
CALLI!
estas insultant la memorya del compai

>>568178913
I think catalonians has the right to vote, but the rest of spanish people has the same right, so the whole country should vote in the referendum, because it concerns the country as a whole, not only the catalonians.

>>568178128
kek'd hard at
> ameba

>>568173794
espana = catalan

>>568178937
So true. But this doesn't mean we can't be a new country.

>>568178769

read the UN human rights chart

there is a section specific to this

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>>568178937

>this guy

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>>568179332
I want a new country too.

>>56817785
Usted a fregar

>>568179448
What makes you think your right to decide is more important than the right to decide of the rest of the people?, I want you to vote for your independence, but a guy from X place in Spain has also the right to decide what happens in his country, is a big decision that concerns all the country, not only catalonia

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>>568179632

a couple more for me pls

>>568179632
Good luck!

>>568174364
Catalonia is Spain

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>>568179332
>We can have a new country
>Can
>Should
Learn the difference

Re Reta Retard

>>568178913
PABLEMOS ALIAS EL COLETAS
VIVA MUELLIN, ARRIBA FOROPARALELO

>>568178913

>>568171009

>>568176607
>We don´t speak spanish.

See your DNI, españolazo!

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Hi guys, whats going on here?

>>568179689
Its not his territry gaddann japanesefagscum ishel

>>568177931
Im glad you like our music and our culture is also interesting
Find anyone English native teaching Spanish
In couple months or 2 years you'll probably have a nice fluid Spanish

Ok fags I'll be honest with y'all, I was looking for a scat thread when I bumped into the catalonian flag and I remembered some Spanish buddy I have told me you guys were into scat.

I don't know if that's true, but he insisted I must ask you about something called Caganer or Cagatio. Is that true?

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>>568180038
>foroparalelo
Joder, no se cual de los 2 es peor, forocoches o foroparalelo, los 2 están repletos de cáncer y moralfags, son como 9fag y Leddit versión española.

>>568176607
Why you dont speak spanish? are u really that retards? how is that 99% can speak both catalan and spanish except you?

>>568173794
tetas o vete a la mierda!!!
>tits or gtfo

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DAMN

>>568180065
kek'd

>>568180409
it's child scat you perv

>>568173794

>the right of autodetermination

you have the right to shut the fuck up

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and he? LOL

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>>568180572

>mfw when also included in the 400.000

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CUBA?

>>568178913
wat?

heaven is from spain? lolwut

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>>568180429
> pole
> melafo
> shurs
Y demas mierdas

>>568179689
are you 12?
if you can't figure this out by yourself, you shouldn't even interfere with catalans' business
under The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which is universally agreed, that all civilized countries comply to, a country can be split under certain situation, like it or not

when all rules are respected, that's it.
a nation, a country

I am amazed by your level of english. The spanish parts are english retarded but the catalonian ones take the crown. Really how do you think you can survive without even trying to speak some castellano? Get over your stupidity.

>>568177796
>shitskin faggots telling other shitskin faggots to speak English
ayyy lmao

>>568175606
right. Luckily, we are more than 7.5M in Catalonia. I myself been in the protests today and live 50km away.

>>568181149
It makes sense. Faggots can get married there, he must be like a third generation cocksucker.

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>>568180483

>>568179689
You are right

>>568181225
Exacto, en eso se basa forocoches/paralelo.

>>568181257
>when all rules are respected, that's it.
Catalonian independence is illegal under Spanish law. Game. Set. Match. Now give me my scat.

>>568181574

and you are wrong

>>568181479
tsk
igualmente, españa sigue molando

>>568181451

so 400k over 7 million, that's around 5% of the population

>>568181718
The momento we declare independence, we give a shit if its illegal in Spain. We will follow our own laws.

>>568181257
Are you that stupid? if you can't figure out what i'm telling you there's a problem in your head.

You have the right to make the referendum, but you don't have the right to keep it just for you, all spaniards must vote, since it concerns everybody in the country. So, basically you want to make a voting process but you only want to allow to vote the people who already think like you, that's not very fair isnt it?.

>>568180026
*Muy Retardo

>>568173794
Do you want more arab immigration?

>>568179689
seems legit. Let's vote, end of story.

You can take your shitty Catalonian pride and stuff in your big gaping asshole which is still sore from being FUCKED by the authentic spanish government.

tldr: fuck barca

>>568181825
It's not 400k. You are free to believe what you want, I was there and it has been between 1.5M and 1.8M. Thats about 20% of Catalonia population. There has never been such a pacific demonstration in Europe ever.

>>568173794
Why do you think you are better off a small shitty country? Are you retarded?

>>568181990

are you guys letting other spaniards vote, or is exclusive for catalans?

>>568181718

Spanish Law are subjects to the Human Right Charter or be deemed as retarded nigger country

like the middle east for instance

and Spain face the invasion of the UN armies to free the Catalans

that is usually how it goes

kosovo is a good example

>>568181257
Self determination under UN is for colonized regions without self government. Catalunyistan has self government and is not a colony.

>>568173794
where were you when towers were kill?

>>568182256
Catalan territory only, its organized by the catalan parliament

>>568178778
Eso es...dejad de dar el coñazo ya. Pero luego no vengáis pidiendo nada....

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Os imaginais una España unida y sin independentistas?

Can you imagine a united Spain without independentist people?

>>568173794
PPS I once banged a catalan chick, and she didnt shave her pussy. Is pubic hair common among the catalan chicks?

>>568182256
That's what we are talking about, catalonian independentist wants to keep the voting JUST for themself, but of course that is bullshit and cheating, EVERYBODY has to vote, since everybody has the right to decide, not only them.

>>568181897

fuck off or educate yourself

>lrn2UnitedNation

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>>568182402
>and Spain face the invasion of the UN armies to free the Catalans

>>568182256
It's exclusive to catalansm, obviously. The main reasons to vote here is to decide if we want to stay in a country witch goverment goes sistematically agains Catalans, or if we want to try it by ourself. Surely no spaniards would let us go since we are paying 16% of the GPD and only receiving 9% back.

>>568182154

you do understand that not even then a targeted poll is fair? you could be 90% of the catalan population, but that doesn't mean you can dismiss the constitution as you please, and even less being a small fraction of the voters

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>>568173794
Us Scots feel your pain, brother. Keep fighting the good fight.

>>568182178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB5Q06dxIrs

>>568182646
Finally you realized you have no arguments anymore.

>I have the right to decide
>but only me, not the rest

fuck off

>>568181746
Vete a la mierda heaven. Yo tengo derecho a votar sí quiero que Cataluña forme parte de España

>>568182617
That's the only part she didn't shave.
Usually they're furry all over.

>>568182480

STFU

Chapter XI: Declaration regarding Non-Self-Governing Territories

READ IT UP

>>568173794
Catawhat?

>>568182676
>obviously
Why is it so obvious to you?, what makes you think you can decide that unilaterally?, lets vote, but let ALL vote

>...goverment goes istematically against catalans
Yeah thats why you are one of the more developed regions in spain

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>>568183005
CATALONIA.
IS.
NOT.
A.
COLONY.
YOU.
STUPID.
COCKMONGLER

>>568179689
>>568181990
>>568182543

do you see the problem? you say they should allow people to vote even if they vote against it, but then you only let some of them vote.

>>568182778
I hope you faggots don't fuck up your historic chance, or you have to wait another 300 years for the next vote.

>>568182974
seems legit

>>568182646

i DON'T ARGUMENT BC i'M RIGHT YOU ARE WRONG

LIKE IT OR NOT
AS MUCH YOU WANT TO BE RIGHT OR MAKE YOUR OWN LOGIC SEEMS RIGHT, YOURE STILL WORNG

I stopped reading halfway through the thread because I was cringing too hard. Please stop making me ashamed of being a nationalist catalan.

>>568183265
No that's exactly what YOU are saying, I say LET ALL SPANIARDS VOTE, you say LET INDEPENDENTIST VOTE

>>568182974
Yeap it is. Non-catalan girls are shaved though.

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>>568182154
hahaha keep telling that to yourself, faggot

I'm spanish and I'd vote yes to autodetermination so that you shut the fuck up already and fuck off with your shitty out-of-europe third world country, and starve to death

die in a fire catalufos

>>568182676
So according to you a region can give half their riches and not starve in 1 year. 6 months after independence Catalunyistan will be the new Switzerland in 2 years it will surpass china and in 3 years will own the world

>>568183462
Hahaha very good.

>>568183191
>what makes you think
I explained it in the rest of the post

>you are one of the more developed
Thats interesting. I accept your argument, and since we are the developed region, lets help the other regions as long as we can. Problem is even though we are doing that, spanish goverment still trys to end with Catalan schools (Education Minister Montoro tried this year with his education plan) and, despite UE keep denying it, wants the Mediterranian corridor to go through Madrid and under the Pirynees, instead of Algeciras-Valencia-Barcelona. It's plain stupid.

>>568182663
my mistake, sorry
I shouldn't have used plural to the word army, since spain can be brought to its knees easily by any small country alone

>>568183401

Im saying they should vote if the constitution allows it, if it doesnt then it doesnt matter if they are 400k or 5 million, it would be illegal. And if it were allowed, allowing only catalan people to vote is potato retarded, as it affects the country as a whole.

>>568183385
You should be ashamed for being a NAZIonalist .... You are spaniard don try to change that

>>568183224

get off of my face until you read and educate yourself

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>>568183791
You're seriously retarded. Go back to sleep now hon.

Im curious as to is the people in Valencian and on the Balearic Islands want to join too

>>568173794
What is a catalan?
What is autodetermination?

>>568184146

they say only catalan people are allowed to vote

I am catalan as well and I have to say that the grammar in this thread makes me cringe so bad, it is no wonder no one takes us seriously. It's like, Christ's sake, how are you supposed to take a nation of retards who can't even English seriously. Then again, it's not like Spain is much better neither...

>>568183783
Yeah welcome to the planet Earth. It's probably true that catalonia helps more than it gets helped, but... isn't the same for Madrid (among others), the same in ANY country in the world, the are always some more developed regions that help out the other regions, and that conforms a fucking country, tell me a country only formed by "catalonias" and "madrids", that shit only exists in your dreams.

You talk about Montoro, you think the rest of spain loves him?, also, this goverment is being here the last....2 years? so in 2 years you decide you go away, unilaterally.

>>568184146
Some people in Valencia would like, but It's like 4-5% of the population. Maybe in Balearic Islands theres a bigger percentage, but not more than 10/15%

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>>568183783
I'm afraid Montoro is not the "minister" you're talking about.

I don't see too much difference between blind nationalism and fascism.

>>568183005
Catalunyistan is self governed and chooses 47 out of 350 national congress members. It is true that it might be a little underrepresented in relation to population but its not worse than the case of madrid. What didn't you understand about "non self governing"?

>>568183915
Well i think that's a dirty trick, since the constitution won't allow that kind of things, ever... big changes always break the "rules"... however, if they want to vote OK, but they can't keep the voting just for themselves, we all have to vote, catalonians or not.

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You know, catalonia parents fag tell their sons about in the whole country we hate em all, so they start to do dumb sheits like claim for autodetermination every fucking day over 300 years (300 FUCKING YEARS) also only they can vote
>they call us fascist

>>568184057

at least you learned something today
swallow your pride
move on
and you still remain a fag
whether you lose some land or not

>>568184506
It isn't fascist when it's MY nation you baka.

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>>568182154
>such a pacific demonstration
>manifestación pacífica

???

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>>568184937
como anillo al dedo

>>568184367
Yes it's the same for Madrid. But we are not forcing catalan language down their throats, for example. They pay as we do (less than we do, but I'll let that pass) but they do not get fucked by stupid laws as we do. Catalan school has worked well for 30 years. I speak fluent Catalan, Spanish, and can mantain a conversation in english (I know I can improve it). Then why the fuck they want to change this? Because teachers do their classes in Catalan? for god's sake...

>>568184742
Wow, I just owned you like the bitch you are and you're still pretending you're a badass. Ok, I'm with Heaven, this is far too cringey now. Good luck with that UN-liberated colonial Catalonia, bro.

Are spics always this retarded?

>>568185132
Perfect portrait hahaha

>>568184771

The same could be applied the other way around tsundere.

>>568184642

the constitution is the backbone of every country, Spain has been a prosperous region for centuries so I wouldn't take it lightly. If it doesn't allow that kind of voting, then they have to try to find other legal pathways, not go over the game rules.

>>568184469
>>568184469
You are right, I ALWAYS say Montoro when I mean Wert. I guess both are the same filth

>>568185302
Burro català, its actually a catalan thing, the most famous animal and shit

>>568185245
Well then try to change that, but what has all that shit to do with the independence?, there is resistance against the goverment all over Spain, you are not the only ones complaining.

>>568185249

http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/declaration.shtml

Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples

have a good reading

/thread

>>568185453
No me digas ? Qué interesante... Cuéntame mas

>>568185571
you're not a colony, faggot

>>568184367
You shouldn't forget what happened in 2006.

>>568185453

wtf you have an ass as a mascot can you be more retarded

>>568185356
Yeah I can understand that... what I say is that, despite the constitution, if finally there is a referendum, everybody should vote, not only catalonians.

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>>568185873
Yes we make human castles so we can kill ourselves
>pic related

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Bueno señores, pues yo mañana tengo cosas que hacer, así que para mi esta discusión se a acabado, me e quedado con este concepto.
>cataluña fue/es una colonia.
>cataluña esta siendo sobreexplotada por España siendo una de las comunidades mas subencionadas por el pais.
>A nadie le gusta wert.
>supuestamente son 7 millones, cuando de verdad son un 10% de la población catalana con suerte
>estos ya no saben que decir para salir de España
>Muchos de los que van a las manifestaciones van obligados/van con el cerebro labado (los padres le cuentan mierdas a los hijos sobre España)
>Durante la epoca dorada (siglo XV-XV, ¿no decís nada?
>Es un voto en el que solo ellos pueden decidir, afectando a todo el pais.
>Somos los fascistas
>kek

>>568185468
Yeah, that was our first option. That's why Catalan Government made an Autonomy Statue, so we can fix all this problemas and still be a part of Spain, but it got wrecked by the Spanish Goverment. So, seeing they do not want our solutions, maybe it's time to think if we can fix our problems by our own.

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>>568185820


>>568185820


wrong again
you will end heavily humiliated if you kept ridiculing yourself like this

España es un pais que por su centralizacion oprime a los pueblos, culturas y personas que la componen. Hace 35 años que salimos del fascismo y se nos impuso un regimen que segun la burguesia es un estado democratico pero que no deja de ser una dictadura conla cara lavada. Hoy nuestro pueblo ha demostrado que se pue salir de esta miseria y que despues de 300 año de imposiciones podemos construir una sociedad mejor, mas justa, mas inclusiva y participativa. Aun que a muchos les pese que se vaya a la mierda su querida nacion, ha llegado la hora del cambio social! //*//

>>568185967

yes of course, but the voting never should be allowed in the first place. If they want to vote, first change the constitution according to the spanish law and not going over it. As i've heard, they are decided to vote even if the spanish government forbids it

>>568185642
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burro_catal%C3%A1n

>>568186475
English faggot

>>568186393
¿Sois una colonia desde que año? Apareceis en los mapas desde la epoca romana
>menudo paleto, dios

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>>568186393
>wikipedia

>>568186475
Cómo ha demostrado todo eso?, así que tenéis la solución para todos los problemas del mundo pero nadie lo sabía? joder que listos sois, por favor, decidnos el secreto para vivir en una sociedad justa, inclusiva, participativa, mejor.

...Aparte de salir a la calle con banderas, no veo como coño se ha demostrado todo lo que has dicho.

>>568173794
>Tram 69
>Still, this belongs to /pol/.

>>>568181149
>heaven is from spain
Actually, I'm catalan.

>>568186663
¿Y desde cuando el hecho de ser colonia, o no, afecta la cartografía?

¿O es que cuando se coloniza, o descoloniza, algo se mueve de sitio en el planeta?

>>568186263
Really ?? Artur más is going to fix all of your problems with his magic stick..
LOL

>>568186393
>Wikipedia article on Catalonian nationalism
>Under the same rules you could argue Texas is a colony from USA
Can you believe this stupid nigger? Are you seriously this retarded? My god, are your parents cousins?

>>568187093
...then he was correct, at least by the moment.

>>568187115
Pues para que seas colonia tienes que ser conquistada-fundada por un pais, imponerle tus conocimientos-lenguas-construmbres y oprimirle su cultura, vosotros no habeis sido independientes en ningun momento de la historia, puede que en el paleolitico, habeis sido aragoneses o españoles desde que se tiene conocimiento politico.

>>568186947
Sabes perfectamente que España es un pais (quiza como muchos otros) que no admite otras nacionalidades en su seno. Otros paises como Belgica y Reino Unido tienen este mismo problema, con zonas de sus fronteras que sienten otra nacionalidad, por las razones que sea. Estos paises estan pasando el mismo problema que españa, algunos con mas maña como Reino Unido y otros con mas negacionismo como España o Belgica. En realidad, al unico pais que le va bien es a Dinamarca, porque reconoce que los Greenlandeses tienen su propia nacionalidad, pasaporte, govierno...y aun asi forman parte "hermanadamente" de Dinamarca y de su reina.

>>568187093
Actually you're a disgusting faggot. But I'm sure you being Catalan will make many of the spics here support Catalonian secessionism just to be sure they don't share nationality with the likes of you.

>>568187515
wow y la generalitat catalana, ¿es de carton? ¿no sirve para nada? ¿el goberment?

>>568187269
Again, if you think this has been promoted by Artur Mas or any other politician, you should go back to square one and start from scracth.

>>568186263
So each region that didn't vote this goverment should separate from the regions that did vote them?, you can't split a country "just because", and even if you try it, once again, you can't keep the voting just for yourselves.

>>568187685
Para qué roben a manos llenas como Pujol... Para eso sirve

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>>568187606
I-I'm not a faggot, a-anon kun, let's be f-friends, okay?

>>568187685
Aparentemente, no sirve para nada. Mandan una version actualizada del Estatut de Autonomia que aprueban los catalanes en votacion, y es completamente destrozado por el tribunal constitucional. La Generalitat podria servir, pero no si se va en contra de ella por defecto.

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english motherfuckers i can never find anyone interested in this conflict don't zone me out

>>568187837
Esa otra, les damos el dinero, y se lo gastan en sus chaletes, pero claro a sido España SIEMPRE ES ESPAÑA.

>>568187718
I have not say anything of that. Learn to read

>>568187931
Wow pues los pollos que montan vuestros parlamentarios en el perlamento, la verdad cuando no estoy en el pc y veo la tele digo joder y este pallaso? que puta verguenza responder en catalan a una pregunta en Español negandose a votar porque el no es "Español" ¿Para que coño estas ahí pues?

>>568187467
O sea, ¿que si nunca has sido colonia de otro país, no apareces en los mapas?

Luego si siempre estuvieramos pendientes de lo que pasó o dejó de pasar en el pasado, aún estaríamos cortando carne con piedras de silex.

>>568187515
La clave está en lo de "por las razones que sean", no todo vale, estas hablando de dividir un país, afecta a millones de personas. El país tiene una soberanía, unas fronteras formadas hace siglos, no es una decisión tonta, es algo muy importante. El nacionalismo catalán está en un punto de ceguera, quiere la independencia como sea, a costa de lo que sea, ya da igual lo que les den o no les den, quieren irse porque sí, y es lo que no puede ser. Aun así, como llevo diciendo ya una puta hora en este hilo, si se hace el referendum, no entiendo por qué no pueden votar TODOS los ciudadanos, y no solo los que viven en cataluña, es una decisión que afecta a todos, así que yo como canario/madrileño/andaluz/lo que sea, por qué no puedo dar mi opinión al respecto?, tu quieres hacer una votación hecha a medida, que solo voten los independentistas?

>>568187745
It's not "just because". The status quo regarding Catalonia-Spain will never change because Spain has always the last word. No matter what Catalonia says. No matter if Catalonia just say "hey, we just want to talk, nothing else". If spanish government don't want to talk, it's over.

So, since we can't fix injustices, and since we can't argue about them, we have to explore all alternatives. Plain simple.

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>>568187839
This is 4chan, everybody is a faggot here. Post some pics of your cock with the Catalonian flag painted on it and we'll be special friends.

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>>568188362
No recuerdo haber dicho eso, ademas esa afirmacion es una soplapollez, ¿como coño por ser una colonia no apareces en los mapas?, haber explicame

>>568187272

I will leave you with your subjectivity and bad faith

I thing is sure, and that's not from me, Catalonia will be legitimately and officially recognized by every country you can think of as a new country as soon they become independent. that is the only thing that count for the Catalans

>>568187962
Sorry, this shit is dying anyways.

>>568188065
It's implied in your post. I do not know if Artur Mas could fix the situation. What I know for sure is that it will not be fix by the Spanish Goverment.

>>568173794
Where was the Mask of Zorro from? Catalunia right? Just call him dude.

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MFW this thread

#9N

La conclusión es que queréis votar vosotros solos y al resto de España que les den.
Intentáis cambiar la historia según os conviene
España es la mala y Cataluña es la buena y recibe menos de lo que aporta
Dejad ya de dar el coñazo y preocuparos de los problemas de verdad en educación, sanidad que estáis hasta arriba de deudas y cada año vais a peor gracias a vuestro querido Artur más.

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>>568188849
a tus pies maestro, has retratado a todo los idependentistas de este hilo, creo que viven en su mundo neurotico o algo

Pero tú de qué coño vas. Ni autodeterminación ni ostias. Vosotros jamás fuisteis colonizados así que a acallar. España FOREVER.

>>568188849
Es como hablarle a una pared. Les han lavado el cerebro desde pequeñitos, no tienen remedio.

>>568188505

that's like saying that i think paying taxes is unfair so i should be able to decide if i want to pay them disregarding what the government says. If you wanna play it by the book, rememeber it goes both ways

>>568188556
Pues has sido tu el que ha contestado a mi comentario, repásalo.

Por cierto, tu comentario anterior tiene inexactitudes históricas, te conviene repasar eso también. Aunque algunos parece que aún siguien dándole al silex por aquí.

>>568189306
Oc, me piro ya tengo ganas de ver que pasa en noviembre, y de ver si os despertais ya del sueño ese absurdo que teneis
>Nos teneis a todos con este tema hasta los....

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>>568188849

Yo no veo a ningún Londinense votando por la independencia de Escocia, será que España es más democratica que Reino Unido, y claro en nuestro caso tiene que votar todo el país de pandereta.

Try harder next time please

>>568184336
>Catalans
>this thread
kek. Just spaniards raging.

>>568189513
Enjoy

>>568188461
Si, claro que estamos hablando de dividir un pais. No hagamos un sacrilegio de esto! Imaginate que Catalunya fuera un pais, y el Valle de Aran dijera mañana que, debido a que (por inventarme algo) quieren independizarse porque aunque ellos generen el 12% del GBP de Catalunya gracias al turismo de Sky, solo reciben de vuelta el 4%. La politica a seguir seria, primero, ofrecer a esa zona un pacto para que continuara con nosotros, pero mejorando su status quo. Si de verdad esos numeros son asi, joder, habra que hacer algo.
Si aun asi ellos siguieran con su plan, pues mira chicos, nos gustaria que os quedarais pero os respetamos. Hagamos una cosa, no nos cerremos las puertas, continuemos siendo amigos y sigamos enviandonos turistas, mercancias... y tan amigos.

>>568189289


that's the best analogy you can't think of
wow you must be really dumb irl

>>568189184
Es igual sólo importa la independencia... El resto es secundario...
Que los empresarios dicen que sí se independiza no invierten ..... No importa se la sopla
Que la UE les va a marginar...
No importa
Seguid así a ver sí se hunde de una puta vez.... Pero claro cuando conviene le pedimos dinero a papa estado...

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El problema no es Catalunya, es España que apesta.

one last question to any separatist: have you thought about what will happen if you guys became independent? spain has a lot of problems with unemployment and natality rates, cutting ties with the rest of the country and europe won't be precisely the best course of action imo

>>568189705

>y tan amigos

jajaja, estos catalufos son la leche

>>568189513
En novimebre pasaran dos cosas:

O sea hace el referendum y se ve que curso quiere la poblacion de Catalunya que siga su pais.

O sea prohibe la manifestacion, en cuyo caso se convoca unas nuevas elecciones, y que el pueblo catalan elija un nuevo lider. Eso si, ojo que el nuevo lider quiza lleva en su programa electoral proclamara la independencia el dia siguiente de salir elegido.

Personalmente, y conmigo la gran mayoria (aunque por el megafono siempre hablen los de siempre) todo el mundo prefiere la primera opcion y hacer las cosas bien y pactadas con España.

Cómo son los catalanes independentistas, intentan ir de importantes en un sitio donde a la gente le importa una mierda sus idas de olla.

>>568189725

i tried to dumb it down so even potatoes would understand it but i guess i failed

>>568189824

A papá estado no, mejor se la pedimos a suiza, que la mitad de la economía española esta ahí

Deseando que llegue noviembre Para que os den un ZAS en toda la boca y el resto de España nos limpiemos el culo con el resultado de vuestro referéndum ilegal.
Me piro.

>>568190018
Lo que digas. Tengo mil amistades en España. Si crees que esto de la independencia va contra la gente y no contra el gobierno español, es tu problema. Debes volver a la casilla de salida tu tambien.

/pol/ told me all Catalans are jews. Is this true? Xavi looks certainly semitic but Piqué might very well be retarded so I don't know.

Will the secession of Catalonia pave the way for the NWO?

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España apesta chavales! no solo se van los catalanes, hasta los licenciados en medicina. Perdedores.

>>568190109
En todos los sitios tiene que haber tontos

MURCIA LIBRE!

>>568190386
Yes, we're all jews, also communists and nazis.

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>>568179632

>>568184693
It really is a shithole. I have been a few times to Barcelona and everytime there was some Catalan bullshit with the people.

Went to the opera house and the fucking guy introduced it in English and Catalan. Thank God people started screaming:"And Spanish motherfucker?"

Absolutely the worst part of Spain. Never again.

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>>568179632

>>568173794
>1.8M people
Wow that's like 9 persons for m^2.

>>568175852
>Cataluña
>ñ
>>568175978
>catalanish

Is it possible to be this retarded?

>>568186475
ENGLISH!!! If you want to "propaganda" then do it in English, faggot.

>>568180480
Actually around 50% of Catalans don't speak Catalan.

>>568189992
Fair point. Ask the Greeks what's good about EU.

Only good thing EU has done to Spain is to subsidize all it's rural regions, allowing people to live without having to work at all.

In early 2000's (up to 2007) Spain got drunk with financial speculation, all governments made us think we were rich. Same time EU removes all subsides (because we're rich).

2007 financial crisis hits us all and Spain is found with complete lack of industry, no rural development at all (why develop if brother EU give us money??) and 26% unemployment rates, with no sooner expectation on growing.

Don't think EU is the right place to be nowadays.

Going back to your question. As a new independent country I agree that the beginning won't be easy, but at least we'll be able to negotiate commercial and financial agreements on our own, with partners of our convenience. So mid-long term doesn't look to be that bad.

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>>568192148

wtf

>>568179308
*españa

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Cago en la puta ya tete yo no se pa que voto al pp si el rajoy ese no saca los tanques, ijos de puta los catalanes les reventaba la cabeza, viva la constitucion coño, ESPAÑA UNA GRANDE Y LIBRE

>inb4 99% spaniards on this thread