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>>563452270 Also, my teacher is from NIN which is kind of awesome, another one of my teachers produced slipknots first album, another one of my teachers is going on tour with king crimson next semester.
>>563452360 oh, sorry, forgot to self advertise and pretend to be good.
Also, an old build of a current WIP that's totally unfinished with some leftover sound at the end which means ignore the last 30 seconds because they're not correct. Involves a voice sample from my friend.
>>563452819 Well, I have a real piano, but it's kind of far away from where I sit, so it kind of goes unused.
Also, going to college, which means no room for keyboard, and no real pianos either.
My method of getting cool melodies involves having them pop into my head, singing them badly at least 3 times into my phone, then throwing the cringeworthy recording into a spectrogram and finding the notes from that.
>>563453454 sonic visualizer, with both the regular spectrogram and the peak frequency spectrogram up. FFT of 4096 IIRC, logarithmic on both. You have to fiddle with the colors and drive a little to see what you like. I use white on blue on black.
>>563453508 also used the USB-to-patch cable cord from rocksmith to record guitar on a few tracks, if you have one laying around i recommend setting it up. i didn't go through the trouble of setting it to playback in real time so i'd just record my parts and EQ/mix later but it's possible, i think there's youtube videos.
>>563453294 thanks a ton man! a big bass music label out of LA recently picked up the last track i made - so stoked. not supposed to mention the label's name, but lets just say it is 4 letters and ends in "MOG" ;)
>>563450258 Work on the layout and timing. and these are my thoughts and opinions: starting out with the melody is a good way to kill it, especially when it is repeated throughout the song. I would have the strings start out with moderate rise in amplitude, fade in drums then cue melody.. progressively changing it up along the way. I like the strings (around :54) for the first five seconds or so.. it could then jump into the melody again. The strings are just too long, they might be taking up most of the song too. Keep it up, and good luck.
>>563453563 Same, more of a metal head than an EDM guy though. I do tech/death metal vocals, it'd be cool to co-lab with a good producer and see what cool shit my screams could be mixed into like Big Chocolate did with Suicide Silence
>>563453971 yeah the kick sounded a bit sharp for my liking, but i don't think i actively noticed until you pointed it out. the snare tone was a labor of love but still not filled out enough in the low end either to punch instead of cut. i'm working on a new EP though, should have all the kinks worked out. thanks for listening :)
>>563453508 hey man that track's not bad! very chill and vibey. one thing i noticed about the mixdown is that the kick has way too much high frequency content - i'm guessing tone down (use a high-shelf EQ) the frequencies from ~1000 and above
>>563454074 To each their own I suppose. The vocals I do sound fairly similar to Mitch's, but the project I'm working on is a bit faster and more technical than what him and Suicide Silence did. I'll have to check the commissioner thing out
>>563454402 don't get me wrong, i like suicide silence up until no time to bleed. but their lyrics were always lolbad and i'm pretty dependent upon solid lyrics (maybe because i make instrumental music?)
>>563454376 I know quite a few people like that. More often than not they're tastes aren't just strange, but they hate on everything outside of their oddball likes. Hoping you aren't one of them, people who have very specific music tastes are often elitists about it
>>563454623 The Cleansing was, is, and always will be their best album. The shit my buddy and I are doing mixes elements of Suicide along with The Black Dahlia Murder together, and between those two Black has much better lyric writing.
>>563455004 >take 808 or 909 or whatever virtual drum machine, or just pirate one if you're poor >map various hits to various keyboard buttons >screw around with drum/percussion/whatever parameters >play around until you get something that you like that sounds adequately hiphoppish >place into midi >add stuff on top >find vocalist
something along those lines, i'd guess? i don't really do hip hop
>>563455235 exactly, all i feel like writing nowadays is house-y shit. i used to make really organic-sounding downtempo/trip-hop stuff when i started, mostly sampled. trying to veer away from that and expand on my composing though
>>563454623 >>563455042 On a sidenote if you're into instrumentals you should check out Cloudkicker, it's only instrumental metal.
>>563454615 Understandable, I know how the industry is and they always keep shit as hush hush as possible. Kudos to aiming for originality, seems like everything out right now is just rehashed shit that sounds similar to other songs I've heard. It isn't always easy to come up with fresh material though, I know how that is lol. It's a good sign if your new stuff blows your old stuff out of the water, means you're progressing as a musician. It's one of the most rewarding feelings in the world.
Soundcloud.com/exoruptix >inb4; shit name I make electronic and I'm gonna start making rap/jazz type beats, idk the actual genre/subgenre. I use shitty gaming headphone that aren't TOO bad, but not monitor material, ableton live 9, fl studio, a focusrite Scarlett 2i2 (plan to record later on and get better monitors) and a launchpad for ideas/quick chop outlines
>>563449339 My advice to you: sell two of those controllers, keep the Arturia. The track could be more dynamic. Make more complex drum lines and melodies. Your transitions sound either forced or they are simply non-existent, work on that.
Overall it sounded OK. Also I have to add that the beginning of the track just told me: "this is super amateur"
>>563455946 make the kick a tad shorter, or add some sort of bass line with a sidechain compressor on it. For some reason the kick you have on cause and effect doesn't really match the rest of the track.
>>563455798 I'll have to check those out, never even heard of them quite honestly. My buddy showed me cloudkicker, instrumental music is cool but being a vocalist I naturally lean towards stuff with them in it.
>>563455230 I'll make a post on /b/ when we get some shit on soundcloud or something. Vocal wise (pitch wise at least) it's sort of a hybrid between Black Dahlia, Suicide Silence, and Thy Art is Murder. My highs are like a mix of Trevor's and CJ's and my lows are a mix of CJ and Lucker sort of. Thats the best I can describe it using other people you might have heard before at least lol
>>563456264 how does the maschine compare to an mpc if you've used one? i'm looking to get one or the other to start touring locally with so i don't look like a play-pressing faggot. i want to know about the malleability of the pads, compatibility with my existing sample library (mostly .wav), etc. just the basics, really.
>>563456770 thanks, i appreciate it! keep in touch if you're on SC, i've also got bandcamp (sap1en.bandcamp.com as well) and will be dropping a new EP pretty shortly, in addition to the debut double EP i put out earlier this month
Your drums and guitars sound overly static-y and the vocal tracking came out really scratchy. If it's what you're going for than you do you, but it just sounds like scratch ridden noise and nothing more
Some nice setups going on here. Here is what i use currently. the setup is comprised of a Clavinova cvp-50. real old but still feels real enough for me for now. on top of that is my keystation 49. i have it set as a dedicated clavinet. I route the audio from it to run out to my blues driver pedal and then my cry baby wah. from there it goes to the amp next to it, a traynor. On the left i have my 'organ' set-up. the top board is an old axiom 49. and the lower is an oxygen 49. Both are set to run native instruments vintage organs, all draw bars mapped of course. they are set up to play the upper and lower boards just like a Hammond b3 would play like. the generated audio i send through a secondary effect, the VB-3 vst. i like the Leslie better on the VB-3 but the organ to me sounds a bit off, so i get a great trade off with he great native instruments organ and the vb-3's leslie. Eventually i will route the audio through a Leslie i am currently building. The lower board is set to play the organ, and the fender rhodes vst. (also native instruments). as well as a few other effects and goodies. Also, interesting to note, the 'organ' looks like an organ. i tore apart and old lowrey organ i had that was more of a fire hazard than anything else, and i re-used the wood from it to make the stand you see here. My audio breakout box is currently a ur22 by steinberg. im thinking of upgrading to the ur44 or possibly the akai eie pro. (if anyone has any feedback on that box i would like to hear it). All powered by my laptop, a simple lenovo with i5, 6gb ddr3 ram and ample hard disk.
>>563457637 That's nice to hear, followback'd! >>563458005 I tried to keep ditching melodies as soon as I had done what I initially wanted to do with them, and tried to write something at least as good to replace it. Very cool if it paid off.
>>563458193 The filth stuff on the Oacie page is pretty dope and Misterwives is pretty sick. You got a good grip on what you're doing man, and I really appreciate the versatility doing 2 relatively different styles. Keep it up
>>563458361 To each their own dude. I do really heavy metal kind of shit so I know how it is, not everyone is into specific styles or this heavy of music as a whole. The stuff I do is just cleaner and smoother in the sense of recording quality and composition, really tight knit technical type shit
My gear, minus the cases and stands...I prefer jamming old school to using computers but we use a rental studio for production, apparently guitar center has studios now but I've yet to try them. Messy room, I live in squalor.
>>563459285 Not as of yet. I only have vocal covers I did a year ago on youtube that are total shit, the ones I did in a more professional fashion are just MP3 files on my computer I've sent to friends to get feedback on. I'll be making a page for my band once we get our EP done, might make it sooner to post a few demos or some shit
>>563459316 I like that stuff to, I have some friends in the pornogrind / goregrind scene, I just do it for fun, sometimes trade shit with them. Its nothing serious. Although I did some vox/drums for Sick animation recently, and speedosausage does my art. I really only do it for fun and to collab with random people.
Honestly, i'm not much of a music man so those of who who are going to be making a living doing this stuff and even those who just o it as hobbies may not take this seriously. In every single one of the samples that I've listened to i noticed one thing. It sounds like a soulless, monotonous, metronome robot is spitting the same sound out of it's ass into a bowl, ready to be fed to a bunch of toddlers. I dig a lot of the music that I've listened to in this thread but it seems like every one of them has something missing from it. That something is so fundamental that shit like #Selfie(clubsound) feat. (eatmyassforbreakfast) still appeals to a shit ton of people. I may be an ass and i'll be getting a lot of hate for it, but its this reason that separates artists like Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Queen, The Who, Daft Punk, New Order, The Smiths, etc... from basically every other band who didn't make it big. I'm not asking anyone to sell-out, and appeal to the millions of musically herded sheep that follow the likes of Justin Beiber. I'm just saying work and find that thing that makes your music amazing for what it is.. Kinda cheesey but.. Find its soul
aw man, nothing compared to a real drum set I'm sure!
it will actually be the first time I buy an electronic set, I've always played an acoustic set.. I do not have neighbors do and live almost Downtown where there's always noise outside.. I won't think I'll have problems with that
by the way, do you know a place where I can but this set online (apart from ebay and whatnot) ? my local store is expensive as hell
sequential circuits pro one, prophet 5 korg polysix, ms20, wavestation, prophecy roland jd800, jv880/1080, jupiter 4/6/8 ensoniq nearly everything big eurorack modular and older modular gear been doing this a while.. about time i moved up to ableton and join the 21st century
>>563460876 Essentially, put some heart and soul into it. It's passion driven. You can hear it in A LOT of good music, but it's much harder to detect in EDM genres because a lot of the tunes are made synthetically. I feel like a lot of the passion and soul that comes from music comes from physically playing it, but if you can capture that with synth than you're set. Hence why EDM is such a hard genre to get anywhere in
>>563461160 thanks man. i usually bring my rig with me for band practice. Its alot of work, but worth it. We play jam-based rock/funk/blues/bluegrass/whatever type of stuff mainly. Ideally i would get all REAL versions of the instruments i'm trying to emulate, but for now, due to lack of space, i am limited to trying my hardest to make the un-real become real.
Can't get a pick of the setup but I have my PC which I do all the mixing and shit on the floor in the centre. Headphones plugged into it. To the left is the keyboard with a MIDI to USB cable connecting it to the PC. An amp is next to it, with on board effects and a chrous, distortion and octave pedal for whatever sounds I need.
>>563461910 Get yourself a "legal" copy of FL Studio (if you want to jump in) or ableton (if you want to actually work/learn). Learn how to work the synths/automation/drums. Suck for a long time until you don/t
Both are great, sylenth is easy to learn and you can get some great sounds designed quickly. Omnisphere is a bit trickier but has some of the best pad sounds about. I was using cracked copies for ages (anyone using cracked sylenth will at some point heard the "thank-you for trying this demo" when the crack fucks up), but ended up investing in proper copies of both of them.
So do you get some wood and carve all you instruments from scratch? Find skins to make your drums from?
Decent electronic musicians spend a lot of time programming our synthesis from scratch, as well as editing drums and other things to make them unique. So we probably do more work than someone who just picks up a guitar
>>563461910 When i started i just farted around with everything and literally turned every knob to see what it did. I just got used to everything and then settled down and started working on organization etc. Been doing it for 3 years now so i wouldnt say im too experienced but ya
lately i have been. i can finish a song in 3 days. more if i'm busy with shit. you just have to force yourself to do them. something isn't working? find something that does. don't forget it until its done. But no, not everything i do i finish. Last week i created about 4 different beats until i liked something enough that i wanted to finish
>>563462054 You're exactly the type of piece of shit that ruins the music for people. It doesn't have to be adored by millions of people, music is about fun and creative expression. If you like what you're doing then keep doing it, enjoying yourself is never a waste of time.
I'm not really the one to speak, but you need to start making room for all the synths and planning on your stereo imaging, it sounds like all the synths are cluttering up the sound cancelling eachother out.
How does it feel knowing that a label wont even consider a band's recordings if they arent top professional tier?
Srs im in a band and we recorded with one of you "amateur producers" in his bedroom. (Actually a great kid with a lot of talent and experience, but the recordings just lacked a certian, hmm, professional sound)
Then we went and recorded professionally in hollywood and, lo and behold, the labels who didnt give two shits about us earlier are now interested
>>563462242 Don't claim you do more work than guitarists. Thats a VERY broad statement considering all the different things you can do with it. I promise you you don't work harder than these guys, especially considering mixing/programming takes no physical exertion either
>>563462365 Yes but the problem is that most people go into music thinking they will be the hottest shit ever, plan everything around it, and then become depressed and hateful when they realize they arent going to be the famous bigshot they thought they were going to be. If you pick it up as a hobby then im all for it, but sadly too many go into it thinking "omg im going to be the next Tiesto" or some shit.
>>563462683 you picked a bad band there. sure, technically RoS is impressive but there's never any substance, just shred or chug, nothing to keep me coming back. now, if you had said the contortionist or similar who actually experiments with guitar tones and techniques outside of sounding "weird" i might take you seriously
>>563462782 I know people like that, and they're idiots. They dump everything they have into a dream. I'm all for chasing dreams, but you need to have back up plans in case it doesn't work out. You don't want to end up losing it all simply because you didn't get noticed. Do music for the fun of it, and -hope- for it to get somewhere, accept it for what it is if you don't "make it" and just keep doing it for fun.
>>563463070 I posted them because they WORK at what they're doing. You may not find substance in their music, but can you honestly say the average person would have the muscular endurance/skill to play like that?
I'm saying not loud. But I feel you on the whole loudness wars thing. Unfortunately, it's just the way production has gone. Complaints that tracks weren't loud enough has led to our rise in loudness.
I understand giving your mix enough room to breathe and have dynamics, but you've still got headroom according to the waveform where some master bus compression and loudness could be used to give more body. The climax does have more punch, but it's got a bit too much highend that needs to be tamed to make sure it's not too harsh.
>>563463078 If you have talent, you'll get somewhere. Locally theres quite a few bands around that have absurd gear but are still shitty because they lack talent. Most of my covers I've recorded with a god damn iphone and I get better feedback than some of those deep pocketed wana-bes
>>563462683 So when you record a track you program everything from scratch? (Drums, synths, etc.) You help record vocals in and process them to get them sounding just right for the mix? You play and record in all the instruments and arrange everything? You eq all the channels, mixdown the whoke thing and spend time getting good stereo separation to create a evenly balanced track with correct head space?
Or do you just pick up a guitar and play, and leave most of the production down to a studio engineer who like myself spent many hours learning as much about production as they can?
>>563463304 you think they sound note-for-note live all the time? i don't know about them personally, although i have wanted to see them to see how they hold up. i don't know if you're fond of protest the hero at all, but i saw them right after kezia came out and they couldn't play their own songs live. studio magic, and not much better than what i do. i would imagine, although i record guitar into my songs, it doesn't count because i'm not playing them live even though i can play them perfectly and in a single take most cases.
>>563463347 agreed. here's our souncloud link. just amatuer recordings for the most part, and we have a totally new band together now, but here's a taste i guess. https://soundcloud.com/thegroovyfewband
You need to spend more time strapping EQ's to your lines, and making sure that your bass and kick drum are focused in the middle so that it doesn't drown everything else in the mix and remains tight and clean.
Not everyone has space or microphones to record "real audio" as you call it. Not to mention that calls for expertise with instruments as well. I myself do record actual instruments but I also write electronic music, or "MIDI" as you call it. There's a lot more to creating electronic instrument patches and mixing them than you understand. Whether a song is made from a recording of real instruments or synthesized ones, there's still a great deal of know-how and talent involved to make it good.
TL;DR Check out my two tracks Real guitars recorded and played by me: https://soundcloud.com/cilantro-productions/pooch-dooters
Electronic "MIDI" by me: https://soundcloud.com/cilantro-productions/alucards-taint-1
>>563463864 EQ everything so the sound is tuned how you want it, but quieter. i like to use a glue compressor on the master so it's not so forceful, and just equalize the master track from there. a huge mistake i used to make was EQing/compressing my individual tracks but not the master.
Personally I would use a combination of a little master bus compression to glue everything together and also a small boost in loudness (maybe 2dB or so, depending on your master bus peak). It sounds like you should have at least 5dB of headroom, but I could be wrong. Anywho... I would also do some high-end shaping / compression via Izotope Ozone. I love that plugin, but unfortunately it's pricey. There's a fantastic free master bus compressor that I would recommend to anyone on a budget. Very simple controls, great sound and timbre to it. Density MK III .
>>563464406 annoys the shit out of me, especially when i notice it listening to something else and then going back and playing a track of mine (i often take breaks between sections to regain full mental acuity)
Also don't feel the need to add a compressor to a channel just for the hell of it. If there's lots of variation in volume, then fair enough its ok to add one. But if a track has a steady volume for all notes then you may not need compression.
Although some parallel compression can add some nice beef and grittyness to a channel
I just wanted to point that, and used caps to get attention. I do support people to record audio even without a treated room, because they'll get the experience and will improve their recording skills much more. I don't crucify Midi, but i think there's a limit to it, like, if i can record the audio, then i will record the audio, the Midi will be for the instruments that i don't have, or specifics effects, like a brass section, or actual eletronic music. :)
>>563464829 i think the only time i've ever actually added a compressor to a channel is when i sidechain, i don't see much use for it otherwise. i don't do much recording via mic though, all digital, so i guess i have more control over the volume
Midi is good for getting ideas down and for quick editing, rather than having to play a whole section again and re-record it. Midi does take up so much processor power tho, some synths are processor intensive so its good bouncing a channel down to a wav when the editings done.
Indeed, especially that tune man. Was really dissapointed with that mixing/mastering, it's so fucking distorted and flat that it gives me headaches. Though I've been going hard on compression lately due to lack of better ways to achieving "dat phat punch".
> I linked them earlier > but fuck it, since you're into the genre > pls give me some feedback /b/ro
Far from finished remix I started on a few hours ago: > http://clyp.it/ru55td5f
Latest project, too compressed and still a work in progress, both of these are clips mind you: > https://soundcloud.com/sweejit/2lax/s-ruXWn [Embed]
Also, I love their remix on To A Friend by Alexisonfire, so melodic and nice.
>>563464916 I feel you on that one.... I wish I had a full brass section and could record it. It's a lot of fun to record my huge drum kit with 12 mics and then deal with all the mixing, phasing etc.... (eyeroll) lol. I'm sure if more people knew what went into learning this craft and recording live audio, they'd never get into it.
I use fl studio on a laptop with some headphones. I have ableton and a midi keyboard but I don't use them. Also I don't use any other packs or plugins other than what comes with fl. It makes me laugh when people who invest nearly thousands into hardware a payed packs/plugins make utter shit.
One thing you may want to consider is using a compressor like Camel Crusher (free) on the guitar track to help it sit properly in the mix if you're having trouble cutting that sharp high end. A little compression on a snare or guitar can help it sit better and CamelCrusher also has additional distortion/coloration options built in.
>>563465851 haven't really heard much of them overall (adventure club, not krewella, own their album on disc). EDM is a relatively new genre to me and i've more been a fan of the deep house stuff coming out recently. klangkarussell, freddy verano, etc. most of my influence comes from downtempo though, bonobo, emancipator, breezewax et al.
Thanks man, yeah I'll try to add some fat to the vocals, I've got some reverb on there but it's prob ably hard to make it out due to the low bit-rate stream. Also, the main problem I'm having with the vocals is to get them quantized, I just never seem to get it right.
Oh I see, I don't really like Krewella though. Bonobo and emancipator are fucking great though, reminds me of Nujabes's stuff. I dig deep house, but I don't really know too many artists. I pretty much just listen to SubSoul compilations and deephouse web-radio.
>>563466467 i really liked how they came out over the beat, was just the levels that were off to me. yeah the bitrate could be the problem too, i don't fuck with anything under 320kbps when posting mp3s but obviously bandcamp encodes a lil differently than i do. yeah nujabes is also great. if you haven't heard much of the newer style of EDM/deep house, check out sonnentanz by klangkarussell, freddy verano, felix jaehn, and a couple others i can't think of right now. real similar to electro swing beat-wise now that i think about it
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