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jesus theres too much bullshit here... Tor is most commonly used to order drugs, weapons, credit cards and so on... Hitmen and shit like that is just a widespread rumour. And if the FBI were monitoring every1 that used it, well then no one would be able to buy drugs there, cuz then the dealers would have been shut down a long time ago. As i said; Check out Agora
When youre banned by a janitor they have to select from a list what rules you broke. When they select number 1 ips are automatically sent to the fbi. From there the fbi uses an automated tracking system that tracks traffic. If they notice above average downloads/uploads on very hidden sites theyll start investigating.
still short answer: neither are safe. unless you really know what you're doing anyone monitoring a key can catch you downloading from it. its just with how freenet works theres less of a chance that someone is watching the key in the first place, and once you stop or finish downloading from it, they cant retroactively find you.
Anyways, tails has lots of uses.. That being said, it's not a great system for high profile like journalists.
Pretty much all it can reliably be depended on to do is amnesia. It's use of TOR limits how "anonymous" it really is, and if you're high profile, it's probably a poor alternative. Better used for amateur lvl fucking around, more specifically a good tool for file-downloading if you're interested in things that you don't want found on you..
>>563365216 you don't have to upload anything but then you'd be stuck the publicly available keys which are, surprise, more likely to be monitored
keys are hosted in one location. you use that key to contact other people with the file to download from "anonymously", but of course its incredibly easy for one of those people you are dling from to identify you
The last reply got it, it's a linux OS built for anonymity which includes tor.
>>563365472 Snowden uses it. thats all I was going at from the start. However, it's been configured by snowden for his personal use, so thats worth noting. >>563365512 Been here 10 years, and was trying to start something. It worked, my mission is accomplished >you got the b8 m8
>>563366447 >knowing that you have a hitman after you >he could step into the caring role and ask family/friends if target had someone with a grudge towards target I wouldn't risk my life, or my good nights sleep for it.
>>563366261 the main appeal of freenet is using it over a limited network only accessing files from other users you personally trust, not "anyone who has this file"
if you really want your cp that bad then honestly just sit on 4chan and be patient. no one is going to bust down your door for accidentally scrolling by or even clicking on some cp on 4chan, but if you get caught dling from some darknet then you have nearly no defense
>>563366332 I've bought drugs from normal websites without proxies. It's easy you'll be fine as long as it isn't an obvious trap, most of them are very obvious, just use a friends computer at a different location, prepaid credit card, fake name, deliver to vacant address, success.
To the morons thinking feds post CP online, you're morons. Do you realise that would put them in breach of the laws they're supposed to enforce? Not to mention that other countries, other than America, also monitor what goes on online, meaning feds IP's would be traced and they'd have some explaining to do. Do you not think that if this shit were true, there would've been some kind of international incident by now, whereby a pedo site was found being run by feds?
If feds find a site that hosts CP, they monitor it, see who visits it and downloads from it the most and track those users for a few months, then shut the site down. That's how they catch creeps. Not by actually creating websites and distributing CP, you dense mother fuckers.
As for feds dealing drugs on tor or being behind it, again, if you believe this, you are an equally dense mother fucker. Feds don't give two shits about some coke head who wants a gram or two for the weekend. It's not worth wasting their time. They want distributors, the actual dealers who have large amounts, so they can actually get a decent conviction. They won't find those guys by posing as some bs online drug company.
anyways, if you use TOR through tails you just get fingerprinted as weird right away (doesn't show Linux kernel but makes it look like an abberant form of windows that, to anyone who would care to actually look at this sort of thing, pretty much gives you away as tails, whonix, etc). Like going down central square with a black blanket over your body. You're going to draw attention, and from there, it's a matter of how much effort and how long someone really wants to put into piecing things together to figure out who you are If you have any further unusual specs like an odd screen size/resoulution, then it just narrows the net.
If you're doing anything super important and your identity is something that matters, tails is only as good as your business is uninteresting. The more interesting, the more effort, and the more likely it's not protecting your identity.
I once read a guide, used to completely protect you when using ToR (as in so you can't get hacked, you can still get traced). Guide told of a system where you use a virtual box and then run tor on it. Any ideas on if the system still works, maybe details.
It's got its good side, especially allowing those under oppressive regimes to voice their real opinions and not what only the statists want to hear. But the good side is never mentioned. And it's full of feds not that they can do anything unless you are dumb enough to fall into their traps. But TOR does have a good side, a shame its tarred and feathered with the bad blindly without considering the prejudice.
IF ANON IS SERIOUS ABOUT STRIKING AT PEDO SCUM - HIT THE HIDDEN WIKI FIND THE HIDDEN WIKI ON TOR DOWNLOAD TOR BROWSER BUNDLE AND INSTALL USE TOR TO ACCESS HIDDEN WIKI AND ACCESS HARD CANDY SECTION THIS CONTAINS LINKS TO ILLEGAL MATERIAL STRIKE IT DOWN >CHANGE THE LINKS AND FUCK UP THE HIDDEN WIKI ITSELF >INSTALL FAKE LINKS THAT FORWARD TO FEDERAL WEBSITES >INSTALL TRACKER DEVICES ON EXISTING SITES IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT HITTING THEM, THIS IS WHERE YOU START TAKE OUT THE HIDDEN WIKI ANON
>implying tor is still safe >implying tails hasn't been rekt by nsa since snowden http://www.nrl.navy.mil/itd/chacs/biblio/sniper-attack-anonymously-deanonymizing-and-disabling-tor-network lrn2internets
>>563371217 >implying i'm talking about backdoors and not exploits in shit programming Do you even know how the fuck hacking works? Tails was shown to be flawed as fuck as soon as newfags starting using it after snowden. It also relies on TOR, which if you read the fuckin link I posted shows to be retarded easy to deanonymize.
Slightly unrelated, but we seem to be in the shady category here anyway, so I'll just post my question here and hope someone has a good answer.
Anyone know of a good way to receive (snail) mail anonymously? There is the option of having it delivered to a vacant building, but I've read that in some countries the postal services do not deliver mail to vacant buildings.
HIT THE HIDDEN WIKI HARD CONSTANTLY REDIRECT LINKS AND DEFACE FORCE A LOCKDOWN THEN TURN TO THE SITES THEMSELVES FIND USER INFO FOR USERS OF THE SITES EVERYONE SLIPS >FIND EXIF DATA IN IMAGES >CAPTURE AND SAVE EVERY USERNAME >CREATE FAKE SITES AND WAIT FOR UPLOADERS - CAPTURE THEIR INFORMATION
PRINT A STEP BY STEP HOW TO SHEET FOR HOW TO ACCESS HARD CANDY ON HIDDEN WIKI POST THESE NEAR STATE OFFICIALS OFFICES JOURNALIST OFFICES HIT JOURNALISTS VIA TWITTER ASKING THEM WHY THEY ARE ALLOWING THIS TO CONTINUE POST FLIER SCANS ON POLITICAL FORUMS MAIL THEM TO SENATORS AND OTHER REPRESENTATIVES
ITS TIME TO HIT THE HIDDEN WIKI ANON GO AND TAKE THESE FUCKERS OUT
Actually Tor allows segregated and threatened minorities communicate. Pedos are a minority and a very segregated one so them using it (to converse, have a support group among themselves) is just what Tor does at best, provide freedom for oppressed minorities. You don't have to agree with pedos but they have the right for freedom of expression just like any of us (as long as they don't harm anybody, newsflash, fapping to an image without creating demand does not harm anybody). If gays used Tor, would they also be "abusing" it in your opinion? Who gets to define what "abuse" even means? To each their own...
That is why you pick a building that is out in the sticks or at least in a sparsely populated area. Already have one in mind, I'm pretty sure I could go over there at night and get the mail unseen (outside mailbox). But as I said before I'm unsure as to whether it would actually get delivered, this is pretty much the only main obstacle in my plans.
>>563367728 >If feds find a site that hosts CP, they monitor it, see who visits it and downloads from it the most and track those users for a few months, then shut the site down.
>track those users
>>563374203 gr8 b8 m8, really hope you aren't that tech illiterate. Though with how much you depend on low level skiddy gear I won't be too surprised. >>563374404 shit sucks, far more cancer per volume
>>563374796 The point I was making is that its obviously not feds that post CP. It was in response to all the morons wearing tin foil hats, thinking feds actually distributed CP and drugs on tor to try and catch criminals.
>>563373962 >someone doesn't think all pedos are evil sick child molesters >he must be trolling!
>>563374317 Photos of naked children is called nudism if not sexual and is legal even in Murika. Yes. Those who produce CP should be caught because they actually do harm. Viewing pixels, however, is as victimless as it gets. And don't give me the old appeal to demand. Everyone knows most of CP is years, if not decades, old. No connection between the viewer and the producer exists.
>>563374730 But fapping to gore is? Your hypocrisy is showing. Great arguments once again from the antis.
DOWNLOAD TOR BROWSER BUNDLE GOOGLE HIDDEN WIKI URL GO TO HIDDEN WIKI HARD CANDY SECTION AND JAILBAIT SECIOT IN EROTICA HOST THE LINKS TO ILLEGAL MATERIAL EDIT THESE SECTIONS, REDIRECT THE PAGES AND REPEAT THIS PROCESS AS OFTEN AS YOU CAN
>>563374930 >anti cp causes child rape k ill bite, how the fuck does that work. I was molested when I was 5, so the possibility of there being something that could have prevented me having to repress something to the point of getting an aneurysm, do elaborate.
>Despite the widespread and increasing availability of sexually explicit materials, according to national FBI Department of Justice statistics, the incidence of rape declined markedly from 1975 to 1995. This was particularly seen in the age categories 20–24 and 25–34, the people most likely to use the Internet. The best known of these national studies are those of Berl Kutchinsky, who studied Denmark, Sweden, West Germany, and the United States in the 1970s and 1980s. He showed that for the years from approximately 1964 to 1984, as the amount of pornography increasingly became available, the rate of rapes in these countries either decreased or remained relatively level. Later research has shown parallel findings in every other country examined, including Japan, Croatia, China, Poland, Finland, and the Czech Republic. In the United States there has been a consistent decline in rape over the last 2 decades, and in those countries that allowed for the possession of child pornography, child sex abuse has declined.
>>563372435 Yeah, a lot of people think that, but this has made me think otherwise. It's a talk from the people that maintain Tor about common myths and real problems and solutions. Take from it what you will, and look into the claims elsewhere if you're really interested. That's about all I can offer you and lazy fuck OP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t35ly6wndY&list=UUhGDEluRG9r5kCecRAQTx_Q
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
>>563377789 Look who it is again, ID Heaven. I'm fed up with your shit faggot. The other day when you called me a newfag, yeah, haven't forgotten about that yet. Fuck you I've been on here for months and probably get on here more than you anyways. Don't you know that you make yourself look like a newfag when you call others newfag? Just because you learned how to hack your name and change it to "Heaven" does not give you the right to disrespect anyone at any time.
>worried about the package being tracked as it comes to you This. Thanks for your suggestions but I'm not sure if those would work over here, am Eurofag. Also anywhere that I'd be required to pick it up from a place with employees/people that might remember me seems like too much of a risk. I know, that narrows things down considerably, but better to be paranoid/safe than sorry.
>>563378592 This, if you have actually seen some cp videos you'll see most of the time they enjoy it, the crybaby bitch vicky had orgasm in the videos she did and now she bitches about being molested, fuck off.
I've never gone on any of this stuff as it really doesn't interest me, but in terms of safe.. Is it so difficult to:
1. buy an old ass LAPTOP, cash, preferably at some gay auction or something where no one even knows you 2. do whatever shit you need to do to it like install a certain linux version or load up VMWARE or whatever 3. Never use it on your own wifi, don't shit where you sleep and just use public wifis whenever you're out at a park or something, using different locations 4. Wear a hoodie 5. Don't connect it to any of your home PC's
I remember going on holiday and seeing these back alley internet cafes, guys on porn and shit in the back, I'm sure you could just do that too
>>563378385 Obviously creating CP should remain illegal, because it is just creating new victims essentially. There is more CP in existence than any individual can hope to view in his entire lifetime. It is a resource that is not used at all let alone efficiently. Perhaps we should heed the studies and take advantage of that resource to reduce sex crimes. Using past child molestation to prevent future molestation seems like the rational thing to do but maybe it's just me...
>>563379262 Yeah, so obv. US laws and what not are different, but I'll say in general that if your country has similar privacy guarantees (lol), if the sender takes the right precautions you should be OK.
The easy one is mail cover surveillance. The post office will take a picture of any letter from a person or to a person. If your sender varies their address you'll be ok. (cont)
>>563378931 Well, I can't speak for child molesters because I'm not one, but as a pedophile, gender does matter at least for me. Little boys are generally obnoxious and rather ugly (no offense). I may be a pedo but at least I'm no homo.
The easiest way to do this is to just make up a from name/address. Print it on a label, don't write it. Drop it in public mailboxes in the same postal code but never the same box. DON'T vary the postal codes, because that can truly help triangulate. As long as it's a big city that's easy enough.
If you're only looking to get 3/4 packages and YOU don't have a reason to suspect you're under investigation, it's not a problem. (Unless your package is full of drugs and the sniffer dog barks, but it doesn't sound like it.)
If YOU think you are under investigation, I'll say that the homeless make pretty good mules. And investigate general delivery in your area. In that case you'll want the sender to vary where they send it for delivery, use a different name, etc.
My bad, I should've mentioned before that it is actually perfectly legal mail/documents, coming from a reputable company. So the sender isn\t an issue. It's just that the mail/documents aren't actually going to the person they think they're sending it to, if you catch my drift.
I'm not 100% sure that I can execute this but if it works it sure as hell better not trace back to me.
>>563361695 A lot of people like to say that the Feds are the main supporters of Tor, but they're not. I think the Feds want people to believe in that shit so people don't use it. Disable Java and possibly have a VPN running as well and you're good as gold. Also I like to unplug my webcam JUST in case.
Last night my girlfriend came home earlier than she ever has and caught me, naked, watching porn, and stroking it with a mask and snorkel on. There's not really much to say at that point. She walked right past me and went into the bedroom. I quickly turned the porn off, put on some pants, and took the mask and snorkel off. Five minuets later she came out of the bedroom and asked how my day was... it was like she didn't just catch me throttling myself with a mask and snorkel on. The rest of the evening went as normal. We had baked chicken and green beans for dinner, and then watched the simpsons. I don't really don't know what else to say.
>>563382480 Aaaaah! Got it! You're looking to "redirect" a package or two.
As long as the intended recipient or the sender won't immediately notice, some things to consider:
Most countries store cover photos for *all* mail, but for no longer than 30 days due to the massive space that takes up. So if you can redirect your package and wait a month you will almost certainly not be in their cover database. If you're ultra paranoid and want to go the "pay a hobo" route consider this.
But also know: most mail centers are supposed to get your identification to open a mailbox. Most mail centers are run by people that don't know how to verify an identification document. Call around and say you're a "student" that doesn't have (local ID papers), will your student ID suffice? If you find one that says yes, perfect, because getting/making a fake student ID is ridiculously easy.
The best thing to do is to immediately pick up the package. But say it's a cheque: don't cash it for ~1-2 months. Your averages to remember:
~3 days - an employee won't remember you ~7 days - security camera footage gets overwritten (esp. if they are still using daily tapes (almost everyone is!)) ~30 days - any cover database entry is deleted.
>>563383918 I cant believe the amount of bullshit in this thread. Are you people really that fucking dumb? Look up tor, look up how it works, look up the known facts about markets and all the shit you can buy there, educate yourselves about the thing you're shittong on then come back here and tell me what you're saying isn't just incoherent diarrhea you ignorant imbeciles.
I was running tor for a while, didn't use any form of security. Never got caught on anything. My method takes less time to set up, keep running and is safer than anything. They can't touch what isn't physical.
>>563383857 Exclusive pedophiles are not the main type of pedophiles. It is a continuum of attraction mostly. Also, your other point might be correct that pedos are more likely bisexuals than others but not necessarily overtly so: traits of little girls differ markedly from traits of little boys. The physique alone is much more graceful in female children: the body is feminine in subtle ways but easily perceptible to the trained eye. Take me, for instance. I have a little girl foot fetish but little boys' feet turn me off faster than "real" women with their sagging tits and we are only talking about feet here.
>>563384595 Alright I'm going to go ahead and put out there I'm completely against CP, but it's already on the net and I understand people have fetishes. This is what you do, go to walmart or somewhere and buy a little flash drive and save EVERYTHING on it. EVERYTHING!
>>563385318 Tor is like religion. The more you try to explain it, the stupider the supposed 'facts' seem to get. I'll give you this one for free though: unless you use tor to download pizza_fbi.exe and run it on your unsecured windows machine with a direct connection to your ISP, they don't have he power to prosecute you.
>>563386172 Damn. You know what's easier? Home delivered pizza. Make sure to either pay with your credit card or your bank account, and give them relavant information about yourself like DOB and social security number. You know, to ensure safe and easy delivery.
>>563386336 Not gonna bother justifying that with an answer. Go back to tumblr faggot.
>>563386696 who's talking about pizza? although i tried to access the hidden wiki, i'm still free. you see? stop spreading panic as if every person googling "hidden wiki" via tor is getting his front door crushed
>>563387036 >mfw everyone irl still thinks that pedos are only fat middle aged white/mexican guys with mustaches and speech impediments >mfw I'm young, attractive, and sociable, and most people are happy to have me around their children >mfw i still dont do anything because i am not a mudslime and capable of controlling my impulses
>>563387070 Read caerfully what I said. Did I say that they wont frame you? No. What I said was they cannot PROSECUTE YOU BASED ON THE FACT THAT YOU USED TOR, AND YOU USED IT TO WATCH CP. Planting false evidence happens everywhere, you could check into a hotel room and find it smeared in blood with a dead body on the bed and your fingerprints on the murder weapon, it has nothing to do specifically with cp or Tor.
>>563387268 I was trying to be sarcastic about the fact that you quit trying to use the darknet becuase it was 'too hard'. Clearly you failed to comprehend that as well, which isn't surprising in the least bit.
What in Davy Jones’ locker did ye just bark at me, ye scurvy bilgerat? I’ll have ye know I be the meanest cutthroat on the seven seas, and I’ve led numerous raids on fishing villages, and raped over 300 wenches. I be trained in hit-and-run pillaging and be the deadliest with a pistol of all the captains on the high seas. Ye be nothing to me but another source o’ swag. I’ll have yer guts for garters and keel haul ye like never been done before, hear me true. You think ye can hide behind your newfangled computing device? Think twice on that, scallywag. As we parley I be contacting my secret network o’ pirates across the sea and yer port is being tracked right now so ye better prepare for the typhoon, weevil. The kind o’ monsoon that’ll wipe ye off the map. You’re sharkbait, fool. I can sail anywhere, in any waters, and can kill ye in o’er seven hundred ways, and that be just with me hook and fist. Not only do I be top o’ the line with a cutlass, but I have an entire pirate fleet at my beck and call and I’ll damned sure use it all to wipe yer arse off o’ the world, ye dog. If only ye had had the foresight to know what devilish wrath your jibe was about to incur, ye might have belayed the comment. But ye couldn’t, ye didn’t, and now ye’ll pay the ultimate toll, you buffoon. I’ll shit fury all over ye and ye’ll drown in the depths o’ it. You’re fish food now.
Then why only mention fixated pedophiles to the person in response to answer how common pedophiles are. Non-forensic studies (sources are mentioned in the "Tromovitch" picture I posted) indicate about a quarter of males can be classified as pedophiles.
>A study by Hall et al. of Kent State University found that, of their sample of 80 adult male volunteers, 26.25 % exhibited sexual arousal to heterosexual pedophilic stimuli that equaled or exceeded their arousal to the adult stimuli.
>children are factually more androgynous than adults.
This simply means the scope of attraction in pedophiles may be narrower to exclude objects of the "wrong" sex. The differences between a little girl and a little boy are as marked to a straight pedophile as the differences between a man and a woman are to a "normal" heterosexual person.
It's my fetish only because I've worked on it because I think it is a cool and exotic fetish to have.
>>563387680 Just like homosexuals, pedo's could also be accepted by society, specifically people like you since you say you can control your urges even when around children. I don't believe it's a choice - just like homosexuality, it is a mental state, a crossed wire that may have during development before or after birth.
>>563388418 i am open about the fact that im a pedo to my friends and family, they feel uncomfortable at first but once they get use to it, and realize you have the "look dont touch" policy they accept you
>>563388942 Doesn't matter what age you are, every man out there finds 12-17 year olds attractive. Some will deny it but reality is, they do. It's natural instinct because as you said it, they liked them when they were that age, why would it change over time? The only difference is that older women are also attractive too, again because it's natural.
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