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>>562540871 the process they use to make it sometimes leaves "hot spots" - areas where there is an unintentional concentration of the synthetic thc. you smoke some with a "hot spot" and you take in more of the synthetic thc than you intended, and get sick. regular cannabis has a uniform distribution of thc
''Doctors were unable to detect spice in COnnor's system because there's no way to trace its everchanging components, but the package of the drug was still in his pocket, and no other drugs were found in his system.''
So they have no proof at all but they still blame spice? What if they had found a empty candy wrapper in his pockets?
>>562542159 Drugs or not, people die all the fucking time.
If they are going to make such a statement they better have some fucking proof to back it up with. ''His brain, deprived of oxygen, began to swell and he slipped into a coma.'' So he got high, hit his head or fell a sleep face down in the bead and was unable to breathe.
smoked spice a couple of times back in high school/early college when i couldn't find someone to score weed off of. that was before it got huge and people started banning it. smoked a couple of "strains" from the local smoke shop and it wasn't that bad... but after smoking some shit called "euphoria" before watching a movie, i tripped balls and decided to never smoke fake shit again. shortly after, i heard about people dying from spice, then bath salts got huge.
tl;dr stick to the natural stuff you broke ass niggers
I smoked this crap for a while because of a lack of connects, and I was way too old to be doing such a stupid thing and should have known better... I got tremors and passed out and freaked out plenty of times.. shit is very dirty feeling and definitely unpredictable as fuck. Don't fuck with it, unless you just don't care about life.
Literally the only idiots who smoke spice are teens without access to weed. 100% of the time. I've never met a single person with access to weed and/or an adult that wants spice. Ever. Hopefully this opens some of their eyes about its dangers. Doubtful though.
>>562540871 be me 3 years ago, unemployed, hustling phone r00ts on craigslist to get by. r00ts this Evo4g. Buddy asks me to go to fleamarket with him to connect phone. I go. While leaving he buys a pack of Mr. Nice Guy. I say fuck it. I roll a fat J we start smoking. After two hits he starts freaking out. I being a regular weed smoker knew it was my mind playing tricks. Buddy cant drive pulls into gas station and starts seizing. .This nigga. I start freaking out but know I need to take over. After he stops and is catatonic for 5 minutes I pull him to passenger side and takeover driving. I get some water from street peddler. He takes sip, starts puking. Im driving, gagging cause of the pukesmell pushing buddy out of window while hes puking his life out. I pull into 711. He pays me. I get down to wash off pukesplash, come out, he's gone. his friend call, the one that referred me. Turns out he ran a red light and totaled his car.
if you really have to ask how someone can die from one hit of spice then you truly need to pull your head out of your ass, its basically all fucking chemicals and smoking it allows it to hit you directly its the same way that some people go into terrible seizures and death from smoking "shake and bake" meth because its not really meth its just a pile of chemicals mixed together, OP you are retarded
If youve never smoked it and than took a whole bowl hit for example I can see you going crazy. That stuff makes your heartrate double, add Panic to that and you're easily going at 200 bpm for the next hour.
>living in a country where you can't go and buy weed without risking going to jail >living in a country where you can't go and buy weed in a convenient store where you can pick and choose from a plethora of strains >living in a country where it's legal to smoke synthetic weed known to cause health issues but not being allowed to smoke a natural product that may have health benefits.
Have dumb friends that smoke the shit even though we all have access to medical weed all day long. I decide to take 1 tiny hit to see wtf these tards are doing. >take hit start feeling like im in some lame ass Garfield cartoon. Fuck that.
Spice sucks. You're playing Russian roulette with that shit. Might as well just sign up to be a lab rat. Fucking chemists don't care. All they want to do is stay one step ahead of the law so they can make money. I had one too many close calls with that shit. Fuck it.
> be me > have a crazy supply of one of the actual chemicals used in this stuff > vaporized it in super high amounts near daily for 3 years > no issues during, quit with no symptoms when supply dried up
>>562546185 i know man i just got arrested recently for having a dub the whole time the cops like im going to help you out anon dont worry and the fucker still arrests me you cant just take that shit and let me go FUCK AMERICA
>>562540871 ive smoked spice like 5-7 times, each time was with a different kind. the best was this shit called "serenity" but i smoked real weed like right after so idk if its good basically real weed is better, i remember my brother wanted me to buy him spice (i was 18 he was 16 at the time) so i was like yeah, you're going to buy 20? hes like yeah, so i went to my dealer and bought a gram of some good and showed up the gas station he was at and was like you still want the spice? hes like yeah so i took the 20 and handed him the gram of good
The chemist who created synthetic marijuana did an interview once stating that it was only an intermediate step in his research and the results on animal tests indicated that it was not something anyone should be using, as the side effects were unpredictable and dangerous. Unfortunately, it is not illegal, so it prevents no one from copying the steps of his published research and selling to consumers.
tl;dr: The chemists likely do care. It's the shady elusive companies making spice that do not.
>>562550467 its illegal nigger also it was an organic chemist at clemson that came up with it by studying where the receptors in the brain respond to thc... used to be a chem major and i was actually going to transfer to clemson to do similar shit lol
that's because he had no idea what he was doing. literally, no idea. this "spice" could have been laced with cyanide for all he knew, or could have been a dosage 100x higher than he can handle. people who order these lethal potpourris over the internet are fucking retarded.
It's been illegal since only late 2011, when the feds cracked down. Then the chemists started paying cat-and-mouse, changing the chemical composition just enough to stay one step ahead of the law. I tried the original spice, JWH-018, and thought it was fucking brilliant. I was kicking myself for not believing the internet ads back when they were selling it openly. By the time I started using it every day, the chemicals kept changing. I thought I was going to die of a heart attack at least three times. Seriously. The last time was so bad that I threw the spice and my pipe into an open bag of dogshit so I couldn't get to it. The shit can be addicting. And calling it synthetic marijuana is completely misleading.
>Smoked k-2 last year and the year before a fuckton >Closed eye visuals, cross dimensional shit >Eventually stop and don't notice any health differences >Except every time I talked on the phone for the next 6 months, I would daze out and have closed eye visuals >Don't remember any phone conversations I had most of last year >Pretty sure I have holes in my brain from smoking k-2
Guys, Spice can be good if you're a fucking weirdo like me, decent visuals, fun trips, no bad come down, no crazy eating people shit, no dying, no seizures. My advice to all you young high school kids: smoke weed every day, not this stuff
That shit fucked me up bad. I experienced terrible open-eye hallucinations, auditory hallucinations, time slowed down, and I truly believed I was dying. Shit lasted about 4 hours too... I didn't start to feel normal until about 12 hours later, and every once in a while something will trigger a brief moment where I feel the same way.
I guess physically I'm fine, but I'd totally believe it if they found proof that it killed that guy.
Used to buy straight JWH for real cheap (active ingredient in many spice blends) and then put it on some other herbs I bought or had around the house (sage worked well). You would get a gram bag and some dumb shits would put a ton on a bowl at once and get retarded and have to goto the hospital. Proper dosing was just tiny rice sized chunks of it (white powder).
After ~3mos it just fucked with me and for like 1-2mos after stopping I got frequent anxiety that hadn't been an issue in the past. I don't feel any side effects anymore but I had multiple friends who had similar after effects and stopped using it completely as well.
Almost all that shit is made in china in some shit lab and bought in huge bulk very cheaply by people who distribute it. So even if you have a good source, you can't be sure exactly what is in the stuff and how much it varies batch to batch.
A big issue that causes people to take spice or other synthetics isn't even lack of ability to buy weed, it's drug testing. There are many jobs that do regular or random drug tests and unless you always keep a supply of clean urine + have a urine heater device, weed is often not a possibility for these people.
I have a feeling with the rise in synthetics eventually we will see some (confirmed) healthier ones but right now there are a ton out there and they often change a molecule to get by bans so it's really a mixed bag what you're getting, both literally and figuratively.
>>562552592 not him, but there was a specific mention of synthetic THC. chemically different from normal THC - the only reason it's even called synthetic THC is because it produces effects similar to it. notice how dissimilar this death is.
>>562540871 "Doctors were unable to detect spice in COnnor's system because there's no way to trace its everchanging components, but the package of the drug was still in his pocket, and no other drugs were found in his system."
people saying spice is synthetic thc are retarded faggots who don't know shit. "spice" is literally the equivalent of huffing gasoline, or lighting spray paint on fire and inhaling the fumes. its just a bunch of dirty chemicals sprayed on popery. fuck thc can cure cancer, spice gives you cancer and brain damage.
The thing about Spice is that its not regulated so anyone can put any kind of ingredient in the packaging and sell it.
I forgot the source but i remember some people bought spice from a variety of different gas stops, tobacco shops, etc, all from the same neighborhood. When they tested all of them out, all of them had different properties and some had industrial chemicals in them.
Just stick to regular marijuana or drink alcohol. or whatever.
We were in a car, bout to smoke, we made a gravity bong and I took a big hit, like WAY too big of a hit of spice.
I fucking tripped balls. Like, I swear to god, I was so high and fucked I thought the government was attacking and I got out of the car and starting screaming Obama has attacked, and the nukes are coming.
I look back on it now and I fucking laugh my ass off, but in the moment, I LITERALLY thought that what was going on.
>>562541259 That's one thing I miss about spice is that it gets you fucked up unlike weed. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's a fucking nightmare and you get the fear, but I kind of miss that Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde side of it.
I'll stick to weed. It's actually legal compared to the synthetic shit, and I know what to expect from weed, I don't with spice. I never smoked the newer forms. I pretty much stopped when they put JWH-018 on emergency drug scheduling.
>>562558983 I had a similar experience (smoked it with a grav bong in a car), but what I felt was waves of pressure and pain flowing over my body for something like 5 minutes? I don't remember exactly how long. Fucking sucked. Later that day, we went to a guy's house to sell him a bag. My friend decided to make a waterfall bong with a 1-liter bottle and pin hole. He took an enormous hit of the stuff, and ten minutes later he was more or less in a coma. Not responding to a light in his eyes, body went completely limp, and for a little bit he didn't seem to be breathing. He came out of it 10-15 minutes later, and the only way he could describe the experience was "mother of god..." TL;DR: spice is wack
>>562541792 I was a combat medic in the army. I was on night shift at my posts 24 hr clinic when some other soldiers brought in there unconscious, not breathing, battle buddy. I had to resuscitate him 3 times and shocked him once when his heart stopped beating. So that being said, fuck you, its always spice's fault, fag!
Everybody seems to forget that everyone is different and reacts different, but we can all agree that spice is dangerous. On a 1-100 danger scale it's probably at 60-70 just because almost everybody seems to bad trip with it.
When I was a little angsty teen I bought some spice not because I couldn't get any weed but because I was scared of the consequences of possessing it. >police Took a big rip in my self-made bong. Started tripping HARD with immense feeling of fear. Never want to feel the fear I felt from spice again.
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