/b/ Can we talk about some serious shit? Or is no one else in

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>>562479221
No.

>>562479221
ok fine you go first though

>>562479221
the world is fucked.

now enjoy the free show

>>562479437
Can we all agree that governments of today are keeping mass amounts of secrets, and plotting in benefit of themselves rather than the people?
I believe so, and I believe that if you do not accept such,t hat you're denying the obvious.
I think the world needs to restart, not whiling out humanity, but collectively working together.

>>562479728
Well yes, I believe for any citizen of the world to consider themselves a free thinker, they would have to accept this as a possibility. Even if it is not true, everyone should accept this as a possibility (I personally believe that is the case though). However since such is the case you should also know that humans, being the shitspecies that we are, will just end up back where we are today if we were to restart. No matter how you look at it or how you "restart" humanity, it will always end up at the same fucking spot it is today, Maybe not exactly as it is now, but somewhere similarly along the lines of how fucked up todays world is.

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>>562479728
No.

>>562479728
I think we need to some how over throw the world, each country at a time, starting with the United States. It's theoretically possible, through manipulation of FEMA. Once you have control of FEMA, you have the U.S. And it's resources, from then you could either properly set up a democracy with a non-faggot economy, or continue to attempt to over throw other countries, with the intent of centralizing the planet under one government.

>>562479992
By restart I mean government-wise. Rid the planet of the cancerous dictators, and greedy men.

>>562480329
but anon that's impossible unless we completely do away with capitalism and follow the path of our red brothers.

bump for interest, but i fail to see potential

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>>562480137
>>562480329
No.

>>562480647
Honestly, get the fuck out faggot. If you can't grow the fuck up to have an adult conversation, get out of the room where mommy and daddy are speaking.

Anyway, back on topic, are we all aware of what FEMA is and what it is "constitutionally" capable of?

>>562480329
>>562480329
Ok lets follow this train of thought. Lets say we somehow (even though impossible) through whatever means are able to rid the world of the "cancerous dictators" and "greedy men". First of all you would have to, following your thought process, accept that some people are more predispositioned to become "evil" (so to speak) than others. You would then have to accept that other people are more predispositioned to become "good" than others. Once you do that you can accept that fact that the previous two contentions are bullshit because the majority of people can be conditioned either one way or the other depending on their conditions of rearing. Finally, you can make the conclusion that given a large enough population, some percentage of that population will naturally start to become more controlling of the rest, and given enough time, society will end up exactly where we are today.

tl;dr no matter how you set up a society, given enough time, it will turn into what we have today

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>>562479221
Do I hear the LOIC charging?

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>>562480851
No.

>>562480647
>>562480121
>>562479334
this is not progress this is conforming into the collective identity of /b/ caused by the abuse of anonymity and general desire to fit in, THAT is cancerous.
>>562480851
agreed and i am uninformed of FEMA

I get the feeling that nothing of interest will be discussed in this board but fuck it ill lurk

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>>562481131
No.

>>562479221
>>562479728
>>562480329

ok brother, look.

what these guys are trying to do by mocking you, saying "no", and otherwise treating you in a way that a faggot deserves to be treated... they are saying that not a mother fucking thing is going to be accomplished by sitting around and chatting about this shit on the internet.

remember back in the good old days, whenever people starting getting pissed off about shit, they would start killing political leaders? that's called solving the problem.

nobody wants to solve the problem today, everybody wants to sit around and bitch about it like little faggots

>ohhh boo hoo obama sucks
>ohhh boo hoo walmart has lots of money and won't give it to me
>ohhh boo hoo i like to act like a little bitch but don't want to be treated like a little bitch

the only way you're gonna change the world AND earn the respect of your colleagues along the way is by going and doing something amazing, OP

i'm not saying to go out and assassinate a political leader, but all i'm saying is that wouldn't be a bad place to start

>>562481021
Let's first talk about the process of getting there, and let us then discuss the outcome and extended plan once we've achieved it.
>>562481131
I like you, you're a cool faggot.

FEMA is a United States organization, well, allow me to provide a link to their website.
http :// www .fema. gov/
Now after digging around out of interest, I've found that FEMA can essentially over thrown the United States if it is in a disaster, which they've defined in multiple places.

The biggest obstacle you face in trying to make the world better is the very people you want to help, we are by nature violet and exploit whatever we can to get ahead.

No matter what you do some will not like what you did, there will always be someone saying they have it worse than someone else, there will always be those whom exploit those with less power.

But above all humanity will always feel like the grass is greener on the other side, no matter what you fight for and achieve people will always want more or what someone else has.

Want to make the world a better place? start with you and those you like, become a paragon of your beliefs and show others how happy and successful that makes you, become the idol they all aspire to be and when they ask how show them the way, don't carry them, show them and guide but they must walk.

But remember in all likelihood once you fall however that may be without the visionary and the focus the movement and idea will fade, become tainted and become something different from what you yourself wanted

>>562481690
I never said assignation was out of the question, in fact with the plan I've devised within my own consciousness I intended on doing so to over throw foreign countries, only the political leaders however.

>>562481972
well then shit man, more power to you

i anxiously await to hear tales of your grandeur

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>>562481735
No.

>>562481735
Ok, the only way that I can honestly see anything of importance happening is through a massive, collaborative effort by the people of the world (proletariat.exe), which of course is never going to happen due to the extreme apathy and lethargy of first world citizens (like you and I). In all honesty it seems rather counter productive to even talk about it since the only end result will be people getting pissed off and into political debates, ultimately ending in nothing being done, except for maybe ending up on a few government watch lists for even talking about this shit.

But hey, if you can honestly bring up some good points instead of being a faggot (I hope you're not going to be a faggot), then I will more than happily have this pointless discussion with you.

>>562479221
It all starts with getting outside and challenging people on their beliefs. Find out how your country works. They're all different. Mine is run by a synanthrope so the strategy is very different.

The 4th Reich is the only solution

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>>562481735
This thread wont end this we need to get organized to achieve anything and get a plan spread. Additionally we should get /pol/ in on whatever the finished plan is

>>562482275
Not everyone is apathetic. If you go outside you'll find many people are willing, just misinformed, ignorant or inadvertently oppressed. If you help people in their personal life they're likely to follow you.

>>562479728
implying you still have a choice in the matter

>>562482542
and this is why a campaign of sorts is needed a unification of purpose something informative and easy to understand and media to spread it

Excluding many details, I suggest we assemble large amounts of people within each state to take part of FEMA. In doing so we have basic control, and we decide upon one face, merely a face, to take role as president of FEMA, as they have one. Then stage or cause a natural disaster defined by them, then constitutionally over throw the entire nation. Once this is done, we excel cute all previous government officials, and any other we have seen as an issue violations rights of the common people.

By the way, I believe the speech of Charlie Chaplin from The Great Dictator fits well with this, it I fat inspired me greatly.

Fuck modern democracy, fuck communism, and fuck socialism. All of it can easily be corrupt. If we intend on fixing shit, we need to get off our lazy asses and devise a new political system in which we attempt to remove the failures and greedy aspects of the previously mentioned.

If someone desires to make a post in /pol/ to bring some anions here to discuss shit, have at it. Keep in mind, this isn't for us to shit on each other's ideas, but to collectively work on one idea, and find a solution.

Democracy wont work. Why should an ignorant opinion be numerically equal to a logical and rational one? The first step is creating a social system where logic has the utmost respect.

>>562482542
See, that is the problem though. Today is very different than 5, 10 or 15 years ago was. Simply due to the fact that most people in todays world have access to things such as television and internet, the motivation to act in such a way that is politically meaningful has essentially dissipated. Moreover, those remaining individuals are too scared to act out against governments because they know that the second they start shit, some state/government funded department is going to crack down on them with the fury of 1000 suns and erase them from the face of the earth. If you truly want to be around people who want to change the world, then you would have to join an extremest faction (similar to Al-Quaida) since these people are the only ones actually prepared to go to war according to their ideals. People in the USA or other first world countries have niether the desire nor motivation to change the world. Even if you do find someone with these qualities, they do not have the means to grow their movement, since again as stated previously, no one fucking cares (sadly).

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>>562482889
No.

>>562482926
I believe you posted this mere seconds after I posted mine, read my comment good sir.

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>>562482889
>I fat
We know OP

the greatest thing we can do is keep our eyes open for atempts of censorship, either by goverments or big companys, of technology that because they will change the world they hide it so they can continue to gain profit for themselves. thats the power of the internet, the freedom of information

>>562482326
What the fuck do you hope to achieve? This isn't the type of thing that can be won through physical means. Not in the beginning at least. The people of this world have been slowly fattened and brainwashed by their governments. You do one thing that is physical (uprising, assassination). They're going to do nothing but spray the word "Terrorism". They did it after 9/11 and look what happened, half of the american peoples rights were taken away. (patriot act). It's about psychology right now. You want to actually do something, you need to manipulate the minds of the masses. The only reason people like you and me see through the lies is because we weren't spoon fed this shit. I was when I was young but being neglected for half my life has prevented more spoon feeding. Or you could be taught to see the lies, but it's not like we can start a show on PBS about it where people will take it seriously. We have to manipulate the masses, lie to them and cheat them onto our side, don't sprout your "evil and good" shit. Nice guys do finish last. anyway yeah, manipulation.

>>562479221
>turn on news
>anonymous is vowing revenge on the police department who shot and killed an unarmed black man
>anonymous is vowing revenge on a senator who spoke out against women's rights
>anonymous is vowing revenge on a man who said women shouldn't be allowed to be firefighters if they lack upper strength

I think the real problem is the news assuming anonymous is an actual group of white knights who sit round a round table discussing how to make the world a better place for everybody.

Ayy lmao

if everyone could just learn some psychology and basic information about how the world would be in a utopian society we would be doing much better but no its geeky nerdy or boring, the change will come first at the microscopic level of individuals and then the macroscopic level of societies, once we have a consensus understanding everything will happen simultaneously.

Now, back on topic. Skipping over throwing the United States, and devising a better political system, possibly a mixture of democracy and socialism; we have the entire nations resources at our disposal, not to mention millions upon millions of citizens, whom I'm sure after we just freed them from their oppressive "democracy" I'm sure will be more than willing to aid in the spreading of freedom across the Earth.
We attempt to peacefully, and I stress peacefully, because the more lives lost, the less humane we are, to get countries to cooperate and join our attempt. Any who oppose us we obliterate with explosives. We do not harm citizens and innocents, merely political leaders who denied their country new possibility.

Unfortunately /b/rothers there are a few problems that arise regardless of how things change.

The simple fact is there is and will always be bad people in the world. "Evil" does not exist.
What i mean to say is that nobody steps out of their door and decides they are going to do evil today because MWUAHAHA. They go about their lives and make decisions that they deem as best for them be that selfish, greedy or whatever.
The problem lies with the fact that we are opportunistic by nature. We are hard wired to see weaknesses and to exploit them. Hundreds of thousands of years of evolution wont change our biology. In any society there will be problem people.
Currently the idea of organizing into a giant group is near impossible. We as a society outnumber all the governments on the world, we outnumber the police, the armies, bankers..anyone.
However due to the fact that we are simply not willing to accept nor care deeply enough to stick our necks out makes our majority weak. The majority of society is full of blind idiots who choose to ignore the obvious fallacy that we live in. Anyone in their right mind can see the lies, yet not many decide to do anything about it.
Unfortunately we live in a world where it is much easier to distract ourselves with iphones, video games, television, with anything really rather than focus on whats important.
Our societies are selfish. They are ignorant and worse off they are scared. Scared of stepping out of place, scared of being a martyr when we need them, scared of doing what needs to be done. There is no guarantee that your neighbor will help you when you need them.
The world we live in is broken boys and girls. There is no saving it, not without a society shattering event. Not without courage that we obviously lack. There isn't even enough of us on the whole of 4chan to make a difference.

>>562479221
Become a Trotskyist and fight alongside us in the revolution.

>>562483426
BUT EHY ARE AREUNT THEY?

I CAME HERE I HEARD TO BE PART OF ANAYMOUS I WANT TO GET IN REAL BAD GUHYS!

HOW LNOG DO I HAVE TO WAIT TO GET IN??? THERE'S NO WHERE TO SIGN UP ON THE WEBSITE

>>562483583
I do believe that hopeful thinking is not the same as realistic thinking. What you just stated may work in theory, but so does communism. People are shitty and thats just the reality of it. I am not entirely sure, but I believe several societies are founded on this principle only to have the system slowly become corrupted over time due to the fact that as leadership changes through generations, so do the ideas.

>>562483029
Don't go to /pol/. They are bigbads. Well, I'm not American, and honestly, I know you're gonna fuckin hate me when I say it, but. I really think the USA is just done for. In a world that's too little too late, and where you guys lead, I really don't think it's realistic. I've read a lot of revolution stories. China, Russia, France, NZ (mine), the separation of India and the formation of outrigger states. A lot of that history says that America is beyond help and will fall. There will be no need to make a disaster because it's already happened. I would recommend you read about the rise of Stalin. Your strategy is similar to Lenin. Also, you have to understand that heads of orgs and states mean very little. The chance of people turning or losing interest in 1 body is far too high for revolution. In not one revolution story has it started this way. It usually begins with an underground media preying on the anger of a disenfranchised under class. Obviously that media now is /b/. So what do we do? Like I said, work small. Try to tackle your local council then think a little bigger (if you're still alive).

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>>562483640
No.

>>562483640
Socialism is more of a economic state rather than political.

>>562482889
so you suggest that 4chan users get government jobs in mass quantities.
>>562483323
manipulation and the right information have the same effect we can tie the information in a easy to understand fashion and tie it to some shit so it gets thrown around enough

>>562483647
Society has been molded by those in charge of our governments, skewing information and results, and the ignorant and innocent people merely follow as they're like helpless sheep.
We re-write society, to be more morally just and attempt to rid it of greed and selfishness. They are core human qualities, this is true, but so are kindness, compassion, and thankfulness.

>>562483829
>implying I mentioned anything to do with your post
I was simply stating a problem with the world and how people see Internet activism as a whole. You're just being a faggot.

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>>562484019
No.

As soon as entertainment and social media is restricted, the people will act, as that seems to be the only thing they care about. The only way Americans wll act is by taking away the luxuries that are stopping them from acting in the first place. So if anyone can to restrict social media to the American populace, you could basically start an uprising by convincing them their government did it in the name of censorship or mass privacy invasion. Oh wait, they already did that, and they're still not moving their fat asses. Yeah good luck

>>562484019
You nigger, even if a society starts off with good intentions, those intentions will eventually turn into what we have today. Much like if you leave an apple out, it will be edible but only for a short time before it starts to rot.

>>562483640
your really not thinking that through.... ok u got ride of the government well now the people have no unifying goal and your also amusing you have taken no casualties, if you loose 1/3 of your force its broken they wont fight.

Once the old gov is gone you will need to knuckle down on the roiters, bandits and others taking advantage of the chaos. All the while the other nations of the world will drop sanctions cutting off resources and the like.

And even if, even if u somehow ruled you think other nations will not take precautions against you spreading the fires of rebellion? you will be I'd and you will be killed, they will turn you against one another and all the while no one will thank you for what you did.

Education, not incarceration.

>>562484151
dude lol no one is giving a fuck about you. but props for trying lolol

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>>562483853
and thats why the winning principle in the game of society is the egregore, not politics.

what if we just started putting up infographics as posters? like all of us around the world we just put the same ones up everywhere. its a good first step to any kind of eduacation of the american public

>>562484529
"Egregore (also egregor) is an occult concept representing a "thoughtform" or "collective group mind", an autonomous psychic entity made up of, and influencing, the thoughts of a group of people. The symbiotic relationship between an egregore and its group has been compared to the more recent, non-occult concepts of the corporation (as a legal entity) and the meme."

what the fuck? do explain and excuse the ignorance

What to do in a restart? Well, for 1: all problems are social problems. When need to start with a social system based on psychology. Fuck the resources, fuck the technology, fuck identity and all that shit. We need to hammer out a system where we can respect each other as human beings. A system almost opposite to the one now that looks up to and magnifies all the shitty human qualities like greed, vanity and hell, all the other deadly sins (not to say I'm christian). This bullshit that hedonism is the one and only value needs to step the fuck back. As for everything after this; It's merely technicality.

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>>562484524
No.

>>562484867
Ok so lets say that everything goes according to plan. How are you going to maintain your ideal society and prevent it from becoming slowly corrupted through many generations?

>>562483583
Intelligence would be encouraged world wide, imagine what humanity could accomplish.
>>562483929
Honestly, America is fucked. I despise it with a great passion. However my loathing is towards the ladders, not humanity itself, not the citizens. There are good people here, but they're drowned out by the more rich, and the more powerful greedy men.
>>562484013
I do suggest such. In respects to Anonymous, there are member who actually have very high positions in respects to government. This will all be a game of manipulation.
>>562484203
Your attitude is what causes it. Blaming humanity for such and joining in doesn't help the issue, without standing against the issue, you become part of it. I will not be stopped from achieving what I plan. I intend on global peace, removal of domestic war. If you stand in my way, you will be removed.
>>562484380
Before it's taken over, obviously a mass social riot would be attempted. I believe V for Vendetta is an excellent example. We expose the people to what is truly occurring, causing their rage and aid in uprising.
Any attempts to thwart our efforts would be killed without hesitation, as they become a threat to what is better for humanity as a hole.

Honestly, how much longer do you think the American government will last. I say less than another 100 years.

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>>562485132
No.

>>562485170
50. Population increases rapidly. Overpopulation will tear everything apart Thats the real issue even with global warming

>>562484203
>>562484165
>>562483647
Humans are not inherently evil. They are conditioned by society. Once we can transcend fear everything will be fine.

>>562484784
egregores are what shape our perceptual landscape, they are the force behind how you define what you perceive, ideologies, religions, myths and even science are comprised of egregores, those who design them control the outputs of those who consume them.

>>562484867
Ou sir have a good idea on what I'm thinking. Like I've said, a lot is going to be manipulation. However we should not out rule technological manipulation, as that would be very very helpful.
>>562485127
We're discussing this. However global wide genetic manipulation is possible through modification of global food source, obviously this would be very difficult, however slight changes in diets of men can have large behavioral changes.
>>562485170
With my plans, I give it another 20-30 years.
>>562485497
You have the right idea. Society has manipulated humanity into cruelty and greed. We've allowed it to happen, and it's time to take it back.

You know nothing Jon Snow. Overpopulation will be our bridge to anarchy

>>562485497
>>562485132

How can you say that humans are not inherently evil if this is the way our society ended up. Who taught the society how to be? Previous humans did. To think that there are other outcomes to society is simply stupid. No matter what humans will always end up back in the same shitty situation. Even if you create this ideal society where everyone is good, it will eventually revert to where we are today.

>>562485528
So language in a way? I personally believe that language limits thought ability, so therefore what you are saying is language in one way or another?

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>>562479221

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>>562485659
>What OP thinks he is in his mind.
Also
>No.

You guys could start making political memes which subtly represent your political and social objectives

>>562486007
pls no.

>>562485828
We are not necessarily inherently evil, we are flawed. We give into temptations. There are those who happily embrace these temptations, knowing what they are doing. Men corrupted other men, it started with few corrupted men and several others. We have an inner desire to ensure we have it as best as possible, then you factor in how competitive we can be, and you have greed and selfishness.
Again, we are not evil, simply flawed, and that's okay.

>>562486007
this
we need to get organized and make a lasting impact cause this thread will 404 and all of this will be forgotten unless we immortalize it in some way.
we need a message that sticks we need a clear and easy plan and we need above all else alot of people with us
captcha: solution our pole

>>562485132
How do you intend to gather followers and not have anyone sell you out and betray you? I think you are really, really over exaggerating the morals of humanity. Few would be willing to stand up, even fewer once the retaliation comes, fewer still when the bodies start to mount up.

As for your "V" plan you need to have increadle knowledge of the system (so i assume some moles), not get tracked down and killed and finally during the time you gave to rally support ur foes will be cracking down in none movie ways which do work.

>>562485132
Egregores can be comprised of language components, but can include feelings, anchors, archtypes, memories and world veiws.

>>562479221
the truth is

just like 15k years ago when the human breding branch led diversity to the whites and asians

it's happening now and your average human is going to be 50% hispanic and 25% nigger

deal with it plan for it

now let's plan to make it a better world for those people because they are humankinds future

>>562486226
Alright I will give you that much. But even so, how can you honestly believe that society will not end up back where we are today. Look at all the empires that have risen and fallen, most built on similar beliefs of righteousness and doing good, but eventually succuming to the rule of evil men. Men are destined to die by other men, it is the way of life.

>>562486378
Races are absolutely moronic, we're all human, leave it at that. Separating any further is a waste of time and nepenthe, and quite frankly is pointless. You sir, can screw yourself.

>>562486378
are you all with me that the guy imprednating yourgranddaughters is mixed white-balck/rican?

>>562486561
okie hippie that's fine. in 50 years most children on the planet will be half latino or half asian. are you butthurt

>>562486458
"Evil" men will be rid of. As I said, global slight genetic manipulation is possible, and even a slight change in diet can have a large effect on the behavior of someone. We further our knowledge before they're a problem, we can completely divert the problem all together.

>>562485127
Well, it depends on how we achieve that respect. It wont be perfect. Shit will decay of course. There are many psychological theories that actually work. Lets say we overthrow the zeitgeist or egregore or whatever you want to call it. I think the only way to do that is through education and leading by practical example. So lets say that's how it goes. Over the next 50 years we build up this sort of technocracy. A lot of it would be in constitution and law, except it would be different. It would be upside down to now. The social law would write practical law, except the social law would have logical constitution. Yea, you probably think I'm naive but I honestly think if you can constitutionally enforce the education exclusively logical morals there would be a dramatic reduction in corruption. What about those that just don't get it? Systems theory. I would suggest some sort of egregore management software but shit son, this is where it gets foggy cuz we're not even out of the freezer yet. If we can just alleviate stresses from shortages even in pockets that will be enough to trigger something.

The problem is here you all are trying to live out the fantasy situation. You're leading this epic rebellion and shit, movie quality stuff. Guess what, not going to happen. Fact is the majority of you don't look at the real facts, aside from governments. One being that if you want to save the world then you better be prepared to kill a large majority of humanity and create a birthing control system. "Oh but that inhumane" Don't like it? Then be prepared to deal with a world constantly looking for food, constantly looking for homes and water. Oh and it will become much worse, because the moment you take down a government, all of its systems shut down. A lot more little kids are going to die from starvation the moment you take down the U.S. cause like it or not the National Guard is providing a lot of humanitarian aid around the world. You stop the U.S. you stop the aid. But then you expect to control all of that as well. Okay kid. Humanity cannot sustain itself with the population we have. We don't have the room for food nor homes. "Oh but space, the final frontier" Guess what? War rushed us into the space era, now we, again, don't have the ability to sustain a working space program. Sure it's cool shit but we can't do it right now, not for a while. Now that you've accepted the fact that we need to have a mass genocide, how do you plan on explaining that to the world "millions of babies and old people will be killed" "woo guy we're all for getting murdered". Okay kid. They're not going to accept it, and then even when you try to force it on them they'll just rebel against you. You're just going to cause a chain of events that will keep repeating it. Good luck kid.

>>562486715
No, I simply don't care about race, because it means nothing to me. If you haven't reached that level of maturity, maybe you should go across the room, sit down, read a few books over the eight grade level, and come back once you aren't close minded.

>>562486771
Youre just setting up a 1984 scenario by doing that . Some asshole is going to become big brother, or rather some group of assholes. Even if you get to the point where you successfully genetically engineer a good society, there will be mistakes, and it only takes one to fuck up the system.

the problem is all the dumb faggots who didn't take to account we whites were in a way biologically resiliant but it's becase we're a mixed human breed

the truth is all your daughters adn granddaughters will be fucking spic niggers and i bet that rapes your ass.

but we must prepare for them we must contribute to poropogate our species however it happens.

we must make sure our future generations survive

>>562486932
just here to tell you wiggers = niggers
white person = black person
there are more niggers than wiggers
and far less educated rational black people than white people

Honestly the whole colonization of space is really the way with the least death. Eventually the US will collapse, and either Germany Britian, or some Norwegian country will take over. Next 60 years I'm pretty sure we'll have a developing colony on the moon or mars.

>>562486245
>immortalize
We need to create a new anonymous. Like some sort of symbol that we can just post to start threads, eventually spread out to all the other networks like FB, Tumblr, Reddit, etc. I know they suck but with good enough modding it could work. And seriously, that's the important part. But once it leaves 4chan it would be anonymous. Anonymous failed due to that. Anyone could join so they got fucked by plebs. We need to build up shit that is regimented so hopefully when it gets big enough we can actually do organized shit in real life cuz that's the only shit that actually matters.

>>562486801
if one were to have such an egregore, all he would need to do is spread it, good luck brothers let the process begin.

>>562486953
You assume the system we create from scratch would be easily ruined by one man, or even a group of men.
>>562486817
You make several valid points, I cannot deny that. However when you think about the entire planet technically going to war temporarily, whipping out nations leaders if they oppose the plan, you decrease the population. The U.S. Doesn't do as much as you think it does, I can guarantee that. I never said the United States and it's rep sucres would disappear. You're making accusations on the idea that shit is simply going to stop, and such is moronic. Population may or may not be an issue, but we are certainly not killing millions of innocents. There are other ways of population control, you have to think about it Ina way that doesn't involve so much blood shed.

ITT tinfoil reinforcing itself through a golfclapped circlejerk

>>562486817
I am prepared to kill and control. I am prepared to starve and suffer. I guess you're not? Or do you just think you're a little 'tuffer than everyone else? I'd kill every person bar the dedicated breeding population if I had to. I'd go blind, deaf, dumb and dead if it would make it happen. I think you severely underestimate just how dedicated some people really are.

>>562487568
You're insinuating we create a secret society. Which I'm not necessarily opposed to. However if you've ever been involved with Anonymous, or involved with people who are or have been involved with Anonymous, you would know that they have basically a higher council.

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>>562487568
agreed we need a new name anonymous is stained
im off to bed remember this if anything we are going to need an idea to carry this cause ideas don't 404 were going to need a face and a name i leave it to you guys make sure you get one before the thread is gone

>>562480492
>our red brothers.
>biggest centralized government of the modern age.

>>562480329
>>562480137
Everytime I see someone go on about some naively generalized worldview and how "the establishment must be overthrown" it really boils down to a lone guy venting general frustration at the world and suggesting we replace democracy with an autocracy headed by himself.

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>>562487975
>>562487759
No.

>>562487972
I'm not scared to kill, if it will need to be done for the greater good of humanity as a whole, it shall be done. You must sacrifice a few for the good of all.
I'm prepared to kill and take control as well. I'm prepared to take the risks and make the calls needed to achieve said goals, which include just government, world peace, and intellectual advancement.

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>>562488053
my suggestion is we make something out of this guy
>>562485350
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>>562479221
>no politics

Nigga, when are you to realize EVERYTHING is politics.

>>562487972
Then go fucking do it.

>>562488229
>and take control as well
There we have it. Good luck with your coup Presidente.

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>>562488259
>Fag

>>562488127
That sounds utterly retarded. I would hate to be in a single position of power. Autocracy is moronic. I do not want power. That is not my intent. My intent is to right the wrongs done to men as a whole. My intent is to fix the world we live in.
>>562488053
I don't think we need a new anonymous, I say we just cleanse it of the faggots.

>>562488572
>My intent is to right the wrongs done to men as a whole. My intent is to fix the world we live in.
Yeah exactly. Except those mistakes were made by a concensus. The people have spoken, and they have spoken wrong. But fortunately we have you to violently take over and correct them.

>>562488572
rethink which of those is easier

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>>562488053
Alright guys. What is our symbol? It has to be unique and easy to spot. Not to intimidating but still serious. I'm thinking something like:

captcha: the seedpro

>>562488934
stop trying to encapsulate us, anonymous should have no symbol.

>>562488681
No, most of the decisions were not made in a consensus. If you truly think that, you are a moron. As I said, I desire the least amount of casualties as possible, but if they absolutely must be done, then so be it.
>>562488898
You make a point, but Anonymous already has a lot of what would be needed.>>562488934
Again, I say we get involved in Anonymous

Why not attempt to restructure it? We make a exclusive class of Anonymous, however doing so would remove som anonymity.

>>562488341
Oh I have. Obviously I can't prove it but I've done my fare share of fuckery. My local governments are much nicer now, and in a few years I plan to go national. That's why I hang around threads like this.

>>562488934
Why the fuck are you coming up with symbols before a plan? You don't start advertisement until you actually know what the fuck you're doing.

My suggestion:
set up a Tor forum and wiki. The shit is only viewable by approved members. Figure out what you're going to do on there first. I've seen many a /g/ project go down the drain because they care more about aesthetics and daydreams than functionality.

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>>562488934
>rips of google
>hey I made a logo

>>562489227
You and need to keep in touch.
>>562489264
Are you fucking retarded? Tor is fucking funded by the United States and all activity is logged by the NSA. Fuck Tor.

>>562489208
ok tell me where to sighn up to not be a faggot and be part of neononymous

>>562489208
>If you truly think that, you are a moron.
Well like I said, fortunately we have you to assassinate yourself into a position where you can lord over me without having to justify yourself to disgusting normals or explain to them how none of this is autocratic.

>>562489187
>>562489208
If we are to restructure anonymous we still need atleast one image to identify people who come to the restructuring threads. The image simply identifies we've taken part in this thread and threads to come. No more, no less. We can discuss the structure of the envisioned group in future threads or just even remember that the people of this thread have the intent. I actually am pattering the idea of reforming anonymous. It would be a harsh cleanse and purge though. I don't know if it's viable.

>>562489563
As I said before, this isn't to shit on others ideas, but better a single one. If you can't be productive to the main idea, you can go fuck off in a corner.

>>562489516
Do some research. As far as we can tell, Tor itself, if used properly, is not compromised.

And besides, it's your best bet at anonymity without using a fully PGP-encrypted mailing list.

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can we use this for less autsim that other symbol looks pretty bad

>>562489606
We need to get some actual members of Anonymous in here. I personally have not been involved yet.
>>562489723
You make a valid point, however the PGP-encryption doesn't sound like a bad idea.

Let's be honest, Anonymous members know what they're doing, and converse with each other in secret without detection. We need to either figure out what they're doing, and do it ourselves, or become involved with that.

>>562489975
That take you 3 seconds? Jesus christ im in a thread with a bunch of 15 year old adolescents.

>>562489975
Did you just make that online? At least use a specific meme. For now.

>>562489685
[email protected]. Flick me a message, I might not reply for a few days because I'm always extremely busy, yet I WILL get back to anyone who personally contacts me about this sort of shit.

>>562490095
Don't knock the underage fags, they can have good ideas. I first found 4chan when I was 13.

>>562490013
That was a joke. Mailing lists are annoying, it wouldn't have the benefit of structure that a forum brings, and wikis are really nice to organize plans. Plus, you have no way of verifying that someone you give the private key to isn't a fed.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that it's probably IRC over Tor. Maybe a forum somewhere that's not listed on any of the Tor wikis.

>>562490229
I did too, but I knew better than to make an ass of myself by posting shit like that.

>>562490223
I'll have to make a new gmail account. I'll contact you soon, we can discuss this topic and further discuss what I've stated.

>>562490347
Pizzas have to be delivered and websites annoyed right Anonamouse?

>>562490340
Same
>>562490268
I've hosted forums, game servers, websites and many other things. If we could get a forum going somewhere that would be nice, however getting a dedicated server anonymously would be annoying. Unless I were to host it from a local machine, create multiple VPNs and proxies, however doing so would slow the connection.

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>>562489685
You're gonna need to do more than send the rebels to a corner if you want to get rid of us Presidente.

ITT now discussing the creation of the ACI Anonymous Contra Insurgency. I'm proposing this logo.

>>562490701
That's a sick logo, that other guy should take notes.

>>562490586
Does it have to be fast? It would just be a slow-moving forum and a wiki. Those don't really require speed.

I'm the same guy that originally suggested this. Moved from my laptop to my phone.

>>562489975
if were restructuring anonymous than we should reinvent its symbol in some way something to show that were going to be serious again. any edits encouraged im just throwing that out there
>>562490095
basically i just went with weave silk cause it would look nicer than>>562488934
>>562490125
oc for something new we need something

>>562479728
>Can we all agree that governments of today are keeping mass amounts of secrets, and plotting in benefit of themselves rather than the people?
No, we cannot. People INSIDE any government keep secrets to themselves because that's leverage. Hackers do exactly the same, it's called gaining leverage.

>>562480329
>By restart I mean government-wise. Rid the planet of the cancerous dictators, and greedy men
MY goal is to have a piece of high tech state of the art self sufficient house on a nice piece of land. If you want to show you're capable of making difference - how about showing you can provide for yourself?

>>562480851
>FEMA is and what it is "constitutionally" capable of?
This is not, America - nooo

>>562481972
>I never said assignation was out of the question, in fact with the plan I've devised within my own consciousness I intended on doing so to over throw foreign countries, only the political leaders however.
And here is where you show that you've never given this a second thought. You see for someone to operate such a thing you propose he'd need to stay hidden. Something you didn't fully understand.

>>562482889
This is where you went full retarded

>>562483640
>Now, back on topic. Skipping over throwing the United States, and devising a better political system, possibly a mixture of democracy and socialism; we have the entire nations resources at our disposal, not to mention millions upon millions of citizens, whom I'm sure after we just freed them from their oppressive "democracy" I'm sure will be more than willing to aid in the spreading of freedom across the Earth.
I know what you're trying to say and wanting to change OP, but you are not capable of leading or having any high-end stake in such a revolution. Mostly because you attack all the wrong sides.

>>562490883
Huh. ID doesn't change. Didn't know that.

>>562481049
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y9YWjrbpzk

>>562484019
>Society has been molded by those in charge of our governments,
Yes, and this has led us all to be somewhat intellectual human beings with internet, technology, society and freedom to an extend.

>>562486226
You should learn to reflect what you reflect on others, more onto yourself. Just a tip.

>>562486771
This would suggest that you hold the knowledge over whats evil or not. This may be true, and maybe you're right, but if so you do not respect a clear vision close enough to ever be judging about such a matter.

>>562487975
I've been working my ways here and there to re-create such a thing, if you're interested.

>>562488229
You still don't see the size of any or the only cause, because you don't fully understand what it takes

>>562488572
>I don't think we need a new anonymous, I say we just cleanse it of the faggots.
So, do you have hacking and social engineering skills? Because I do. I'd also never make that statement.

>>562489208
>Again, I say we get involved in Anonymous
Why not attempt to restructure it? We make a exclusive class of Anonymous, however doing so would remove som anonymity.
If you want to do sometihng good, OP, do it from scratch and (with) yourself.

>>562490586
I've been looking to restart a forum with some features as well.

OP have we met in TO?
G5

Tis the thread where we use hamfisted unoriginal ideas and tip our anonymouse masks?
Man,fuck wars.War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles, fought by mercenaries and machines. War, and its consumption of life, has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed. ID tagged soldiers carry ID tagged weapons, use ID tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is monitored, and kept under control. War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of control. All in the name of averting catastrophe from weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the battlefield, controls history. War has changed. When the battlefield is under total control, war... becomes routine.

>>562490701
Not going to lie, that is pretty sick, however I doubt it's OC. I'm currently using my iPad, if I were at my desktop I would whip something up on photoshop.
>>562490883
You bring a valid point, I'll see what I can do, it may take me a while to get everything set up. I don't want my personal information easily found.
>>562490891
Okay, hold on with the reconstructing Anonymous thing. Like I said, they have a high council. We need to contact them some how. Someone start logging this post before it 404s, I cannot, as I'm using my iPad.

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>implying i don't have a fake name and address.

just pick a symbol idgaf. I 'ripped google' simply becuase it's easier to identify than two smoke plooms on a black bg. Meh. Here: I fucked with the smoke one a little.

>>562490586
Or, I mean, you could just buy a server with buttcoins of of someone like Freedom Hosting. I think they may even already have Tor shit set up, but I haven't really looked into it.

>>562490701
ACI Subversion Agent reporting for duty!

>>562490701
>>562489975
>>562488934
Listen, all this shit about anamoose is making me cringe my balls off, but do none of you know anything about design? You do realize that logo's aren't just pretty pictures, right? They have to mean something and relate to whatever it is that it is representing. Sure the red one looked kind of cool, but it's just a few random shapes. I see nothing in it that symbolizes anonamoose. You need to add a kid with downs on it, with sanic and a fedora. No but seriously, learn a bit about making logo's before you try making one so the whole world of graphic design doesn't laugh at your shitty attempts. Even the fucking freshmen know this shit.

>>562491443
If you have a destination you need to be at on a certain point, I'd suggest you keep track of the road.

>>562490991
Mate, I haven't slept in two days. I'd say I'm doing a pretty damn good job at getting my point across with that in mind. I tried making a post like this a few weeks back, but got nothing. It was much more developed, and in detail then. I'm sorry I didn't meet your expectations.
And I do not want to be leader, I'm merely sharing my ideas. I would hate to be leader.
>>562490993
Same IP address

>>562479728
I think the exact same thing. A restart of the world. Somethings gotta change

>>562490870
??????? comrade, let's touch this up with a tagline to make it marketable. Maybe some prose like what was used to headline Anon in the first place.

>>562491472
Give me a disposable email and I'll send you an encryption key.

We'll cook up a crypto scheme where we reuse the same file, but different parts/combinations of it, to create an infinitesimal number of "keys" for messages. We could put coded messages up anywhere along with an index embedded in them to make this work - I'll explain in the message and add some simple code to make it work.

>>562491761
I think most or many people rather stay with this world then a world an intellectual or a free thinker creates.
This said, I believe that we can build something up with us for us.

>>562490701
Not entirely OC, but a really obscure find. Interesting.

>>562491180
I dabble in some things, I've coded things, I've hacked things, but I am in no way saying I am a hacker. Especially of Anonymous quality.
I don't think I've ever met you good sir, however I do think we should converse further.

>>562491504
I've had schooling with design. I'm aware of what needs to be done.

We could screw around with Zoho, that's something stupidly simple.>>562491468
I like your idea though

this shit is such a bad idea that I'm cringing right now

physically fucking cringing

you have seriously no education at all, do you OP?
You're there behind your keyboard spewing bullshit that's been repeated a million times over with no determination beyond saying "we have determination", and all you say is overthrow what we have now and we'll figure out the new one later

are you fucking retarded

The first thing you do is figure out a political system that has no way for it to get corrupt. You first only talk about creating that political system. Nothing about how America is shit, nothing about how you hate the governments and greedy people and all that stereotypical nonsense. Get some anons from /b/, some 9fag people maybe because obviously you go there. Just spend some time to think of a solution before you go rallying the battle cry to enact it.

Until then stop your bullshit

>>562492357
At the very least, it is nice that there are still so many anons that want to keep the spirit of anonymous alive. It's important in these times, as we observe the united states move closer to fascism.

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>>562479221
discuss this

>>562491889
If you desire, then lets.

Ive been looking at ways to host a platform anonymously. I'll probably find a host where I can pay with bitcoins and give up false details, since FH died.

K I'm out. I'm sure those that actually care wont forget. I'm tied down till December anyway. Just remember when you see my thread that I'm not full of shit.

>>562492357
Again, I've posted something like this before. It's been a while since I've slept. On my desktop I had any sully begun working on a political system. I obviously intended on figuring out what political system we would use before action was taken, doing what you thought I meant is utterly stupid.
So, calm your tits, and try not to be an asshole.
Screw 9gag, only faggots go there, that shit is cancer.
And I'm here to rally other anions to help contribute to the idea, as I do not want it to be one mans thoughts. It is to be a government made by the people for the people, and it shall remain that way, unlike America.

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>>562492949

Anyone here who wants to constructively discuss this shit with me, feel free to email me at [email protected]
Any spam will be treated as such.
I do not intend on letting this die.

>>562492949
So you wish to sell democracy to people who believe they live in a democracy?

Sounds tough

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>>562493079

>>562493116
Fuck democracy as it's set up today. It was shit from the start.

>>562493079
I'm not debating these matters over gmail

>>562493184
Oh look, a cancerous summerfag. I have never seen one of these before.
Fail troll is fail.

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>>562493204

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>>562488934
this is our symbol, we shall unite under it and create a new world order!

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>>562493307

>>562493268
I don't wish to debate it, more so come to a better idea and understanding.
I do not wish to let this die, and I'm not necessarily saying my idea is perfect, as it is not. Why not join me and others to find a better way?

>>562493204
America is a republic. Not a democracy. Its more of a representative democracy

>>562492949
you just described exactly the past if you replace America with Britain

>>562493184
>>562493316
>>562493393
I know what you're thinking. But they make for a horrible lay, at a certain point you get the hotdog in a hallway experience. I don't know if it's the age or the 3 kids, but some cougars just feel like you're slapping your dick on a PVC pipe coated in shower gel.

In come the summerfag a, sharing their cancer for all. Again, anyone who wishes to actually discuss this, feel free to contact me at [email protected]
We will get a group together, and we shall discuss this further and make plans.

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Oh hey OP, I didn't see you there.

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>>562493519

>>562493519
because im not debating THESE matters on a platform that gives away your IP in a header. Get a bitmessage mail and we'll talk.

hrydres and

if we just created a way to eliminate corruption, foster technological advancements, and stop treating the world like a disposable diaper, we'd be alright.

>>562493775
>implying bit message is secure
Only Tox will provide what you want.

Proxies for now until we figure out that. I'm not interested in your IP, I'm not a faggot,
>>562493876
Good man.

Anyway, if I make another post, I will use the same image as I did here. I will sleep before then, and fully describe my thoughts.

>>562486932
So you don't cate if your children are 25% more likely to be nig gang and die AHAHAHAHA

>>562493964
It's about knowing who you can and can't trust. If you create an organisation like this and you want to maintain a sustainable level of credibility, not having your real life interfeire with your online saying and vice versa is a must.

This is why anon was a success to begin with, because the higher level of this organisation understood such fundamentals.

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>>562494117
Why, yes, remaining anonymous DOES happen to be a good quality for an anonymous contributor...

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>>562479221

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1biXQp8x7k

>>562494256
Pawns need not worry about detection. Needless to say I do not consider myself a pawn.

>>562494117
We can all use fucking proxies for now, it's not that hard. I will work on finding a solid, and anonymous way for us all to converse. Until then, we can easily email each other while using proxies, hiding our IP addresses to the obvious. You can go all out if you want with VPNs and shit.
But for the love of humanity, which actually fits here, don't let this die. I can tell from what you've posted already, that you would be a great contribution.

>>562494435
Most people don't.

>>562494442
This will die because none of you faggots have even set up a way to communicate with each other.

Holy fucking shit OP stop trying to pass off as some visionary. What you are trying to accomplish has been said and pondered on by EVERY person who ever got into politics. Did you just come back from youtube after watching some conspiracy video?
You want change? Get outside and be it. Be a youth leader. Most importantly, get off the internet and read a book.
Cancer

>>562494615
As I mentioned previously, I am still working on a platform. I'm not a great code monkey, I need time to do footwork.

>>562494713
Can you tell a bit more about it? Do you already have a link or something?

People can add me on Tox if they would like. Not giving out my email, and I don't use Skype. Either way, I just want to know if this goes anywhere. If anyone wants to talk, I'm [email protected]. I won't be able to accept any requests for a few days, but I will.

>>562494649
He probably just got back from watching V for Vendetta.

Just remember that you are very unlikely to spark a revolution by yourself. Work on your social engineering skills.

A protocol needs to be developed/adopted to weed out high risk individuals.

>>562494615
And I already stated that I'll host anonymous forums or a wiki. So suck my cock.
>>562494649
"get off the internet and read a book"
You assume I haven't read books, come back to me when you've read three of Carl Sagans books in one day for light reading.
Do you see the fuckers above posting moronic photos? That's cancer, not me. Go an hero in your moms basement.
>>562494990
Actually, it's been at least over a year since I've seen the movie, good guess though.
>>562495127
I'll see what I can come up with.

>>562494842
No I don't. I'm still looking for a way to host it. It's going to be a forum, a chatbox and a livestream in one.

Ill probably use the BBforum code to create the forum side, and a simple php chat box along with it.

>>562495417
A very good guess. Your ominous "plans" are definitely hollywood-tier

>>562495417
Cool, it would be wise to keep the protocol secret, so it isn't subverted by those who seek the place the pass goes. Some might be able to guess parts of it.

>>562479728

no because there are a bunch of self interests in the government, it's not some illuminati bull shit, it's just a bunch of rich people trying to get some laws passed that will help their businesses, the government is just so useless now because their is so many conflicting self interests now

>>562496102
maybe compartmentalize forums and do psy-ops on low level or fake high level forums.

>>562495469
Chat box and livestream are pointless and waste bandwidth. If you REALLY need those things, they will be implemented in Tox very shortly. I know I'm shilling Tox a lot, but this is exactly what it was made for.

By the way, none of you are using compromised operating systems like Windows or OS X, are you? Because that means that anything you do is inherently insecure.

>>562496231
What you said is not in conflict with what he said.

>>562496303
I am creating something that's for actual mass usage. IF I would (have) create(d) a closed circuit, I wouldn't just inform a mass about it.

>>562479728

I do agree that we need a new system, one based off science and common sense, For example one that prioritizes the conservation of recourses and oil reserves become an emergency energy resource rather than a main one

>>562496658
Well we're eagerly awaiting, expecting the best, but preparing for a trap.

>>562495417
>You assume I haven't read books, come back to me when you've read three of Carl Sagans books in one day for light reading.
Oh man you're cute

>>562496658
What? That seemed contradictory

>>562496306

actually it did conflict he made it sound like some illuminati bullshit which is completely false

>>562480492

capitalism does have greed built into it has a system but communism doesn't work to well either

>>562480329

you would pretty much have to kill the everyone on earth so that is impossible, whenever on evil leader dies another one just takes his place

>>562481021

not true the human are evil by nature was a myth spread by religion

>ITT: The birth of Fight Club

>>562496847
I don't think I'll be hosting this any time within a month. Don't want to risk privacy to pay with my IRL identity, can't affort the price to pay with bitcoins or set up a fraud paypal.

>>562498849

so edgy how about you go kill yourself

>>562498849
>>562499091
2funny4u

>>562499027
That's reasonable. Have you given any thought to how you'll disseminate access?

>>562499361
>disseminate access
Not my job. I just need to tell a few.

>>562499091
I never said any of this shit was a good idea, you illiterate nigger.
Just called the resemblance between "hurr durr werld need ta start over, everybody equal, kill pressident, fucm buttholes" and the Fight Club story.

Go choke on a cock, faggot.

>>562481690
not everyone on 4chan or in this thread is doing nothing.
I'm a bitcoin developer since 4 years now. my name is amir taaki, I've been writing opensource for over a decade, living in squats, helping create places where people live, resisting against police, creating the tools for speech and people to organise against the state.

here's my project:
http://www.wired.com/2014/04/dark-wallet/

>>562481938
the biggest obstacle is not people being violent but people being fucking stupid and brainwashed by a system that works against their own self interest. but they've bought into the myth through ignorance and lack of knowledge.

lets do something about furgason missiour were they are now making the whole town basically a P.O.W camp

>>562500854
I could not care less about that whole damn town.

I might be able to upload a forum later today via a free hoster, btw.