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>>562310569 >would people date trans No. Dating means long term investment in your future and children. >>562309191 >Would you bang a trans Maybe. It the circumstance are not ill conditioned, like the tranny expecting something more than sex or hoping for role reversal.
>>562312278 That's dude. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay, but those are male. No matter how much plastic surgery they have to hide it, they were born male, and have the genetic makeup of a male. They are men. Say it with me now THEY ARE DUDES. I don't wanna hear any of your tumblr feel good everybody is a special snowflake gender is a social construct bullshit, their XY Chromosomes don't lie. More than likely you're bisexual if you like traps, deal with it and grow as a person.
>>562313640 Well I'm pretty sure i at least like females. Tough I've never had sexual intercourse with males, I don't think I'm gay, nor have i ever had sexual intercourse with a trans. I was just wondering what one would do (including myself) if you ended up finding out your gf was a trans. Also they do look like girls, not guys, so I don't see how that'd make me gay
>>562309893 I'd tell him that now the only reason I'd ever fuck him is because I fetishize a female body with a cock, if I never noticed of course he's passing enough. Relationship would be over though, first because he breached my trust, second because I wouldn't want to build a life with one of those disphoryc self-mutilating hormone-guzzling depressed pitiable shitstains. >>562310269 Though fucking deal, if he's craving for my cock then it's my rules. His cock would be to play with, otherwise I'd just go out and find me a woman.
>>562315495 >They're females born with the wrong genitalia. I don't agree, but leaving that aside: hiding from your prospective romantic partner you don't have the genitalia he's looking for in you is a pretty shitty thing to do. Akin to hiding from him, idk, a STD. >inb4 it's what's inside that counts Only teenaged virgins think that, a healthy sexual life is the most important aspect of a relationship, it builds intimacy and relieves tension in the couple. If I don't want to fuck a man with a floppy useles scock in the ass, or fuck a fake vagina that I have to lubricate every 5 minutes, that's my right.
I have been thinking about this very question a lot lately, I have a GF we have been going for 4 years now but recently I have been getting quite fed up of her fucking annoying "I am a woman this is woman logic" attitude and wandering what traps / trans attitude would be like in relation to my own like would they act like women or would they act like guys and do guy stuff but look like a woman with a dick?
I mean I dunno seems like a lot to consider other than the whole "oh fuck that's a cock this is gay" attitude so many narrow minded idiots on /b/ seem to have, must be religious to think like that this day in age.
>>562316070 Indeed people are too narrow minded, but hopefully this thread will enlighten some of them. As to your question, I'm pretty sure they are women in every other aspect than the fact they have/had a cock but hey don't take my words as fact
To me it's better to just stick to biology on this, since the whole psychology aspect is kinda wobbly. How do you know which ones really have that kind of chemical imbalance and which ones are just fucked in the head?
Especially with the whole other-kin crap. If I find a dog other-kin without a tag and a collar, should I take it to the dog pound? It's a stray dog right?
Well fuck that shit then women are fucking annoying always giving me there opinions and shit and telling me to listen and do this and do that never going to work and making me pay the bills... stupid attitudes and fucked up logic...
If I didn't live in the UK I would go out and shoot a fucking school up or something to take my anger out about this new information...
>>562316505 See >>562316137 By the way, I truly identify myself as the Queen of Fucking England, but no one seems to care.
This "identifying", this "acceptance", it's all bullshit. It's just a way for people to channel their depression and identity disorders into special snowflake syndrome. Trans people are no different than otherkin, except they are milked for money by the ruthless and amoral plastic surgery industry. >inb4 trans in ancient cultures Contraries and such were specific cultural roles with mystical connotations, they weren't just average joes who decided they didn't like their current genitalia >inb4 brain different Those studies have been heavily criticized, in most cases weren't done on too small a scale to be statistically relevant, never with a control group... Sketchy
I'll admit that a lot of traps have pretty faces and I can be attracted to that, but I like having sex with vaginas. Anal disgusts me and so do dicks other than my own. I don't care what fags do its their business. >tl;dr I'm heterosexual so no.
>>562315715 In other words if you dated a girl and fell in love with her and even had sex(so she had genital surgery) you would call her male from day one because your superman vision can see chromosomes?
>>562318031 well honestly, if a transwoman looks 100% female, had surgery to have a vagina looking hole and NOBODY thinks she could have been male, then in that case i find it hilarious when people would call that a man.
Honestly, that is not a bad thing for trans people. That means close minded people who will possibly make terrible husbands are out of the pool, and hopefully society has advanced enough to have quite a few open minded people out there who have no problem with mtf women as long as they look female
>>562318305 Damn man, i wish i had your chromosome vision. It sounds neat
>>562315495 they tell themselves they are. really, I have friends that are trans. it's the same shit as otherkin, but unfortunately there's no operation to become a fox.
you can really tell yourself often enough you're something you're not and start to believe it. when you feel like you're a tad different, you have the choice to try to fit in or go on a journey to find out who you are. yet many just stop at the first step: realizing that you're your own gender. they just say "fuck it, I'd probably enjoy to be the other gender" and then feel satisfied after they mutilated themselves.
yet they often show many signs of mental disorders, every of them a different one, and those should be what they find at the end of the journey. not that they shouldn't have boobs/a penis.
>>562319537 The question is would you date her if you liked her character?
>If I think someone's female, I'll call her female. If she's actually lying and I found out, I'll change it. Enjoy calling transwomen female since no intelligent transwoman would reveal the truth to someone as horrible as you. You ll forever be wrong :3
>>562320038 That smiley at the end.. You're a trans aren't you?
Why so angry just because someone don't want to accept your perception of the world?
It's a free country. (Unless you're not living in a free country, in which case I understand why you're so angry) You're free to try and change your gender, and I'm free to say just because you try doesn't mean you get a trophy for it.
>>562321195 >boo hoo why am i not allowed to be a bigot and emotionally hurt others Physically hurting others isnt allowed either, hopefully the government will take advantage of the proven psychological and emotional pain some comments can cause and start making laws prohibiting such comments
>>562321478 >until we believe it Uh i highly doubt he said something like that. That might be the case on the ones that dont pass, but when it comes to the ones that pass perfectly they dont need to believe anything, others call them female
>>562321685 >Physically hurting others isnt allowed either, hopefully the government will take advantage of the proven psychological and emotional pain some comments can cause and start making laws prohibiting such comments translation: this is why I need feminism this is why I need feminism this is why I need feminism this is why I need feminism this is why I need feminism this is why I need feminism this is why I need feminism this is why I need feminism this is why I need feminism this is why I need feminism dude. you can ignore and forget words. seriously, no words can ever cause any PTSD as people like you want to claim it can. this is why there's no law against it.
>>562321685 >others call them female oh yes, someone jumped into their room, shouted "YOU'RE A GIRL, FAGGOT" at that boy while he looked sad, and then he smiled and went ahead to get some pills to become feminine. also, making it depend on wether they pass or not is the most bigoted shit I've ever heard. it's like saying that as long as you're not fat, you have a soul.
>>562320038 So, wait a second By stating there is a "truth" about transwomen to reveal, are you imolying that a mtf trans isn't a full woman but something else? Otherwise there would be no hidden truth there, you feel me?
>>562321685 >boo hoo why am I not allowed to force my opinion on others? >You're not allowed to hurt my feelings but I'm allowed to hurt yours and restrain your freedom of speech because I'm a special little snowflake
>>562309191 Yes. I have already actually. I enjoyed the experience of dating and being sexually active with her since it was a challenge to my preconceptions about sexuality and she was great cpmpany.
I think when it comes to trans girls its very much a case of "to each his own". If its not your bag, then don't hang with them. I found out that that I clicked very well with the trans girl I was dating, but when we met other people like her I was very put off. Of course it didn't help that one of her friends called me "breeder" (a homosexual pejorative for a stright person) but thats neither here nor there.
The point is I took a chance on that girl and wound up spending alot of time with her that was rewarding, informative and fun. I also regard it as character building since it challenged me to have an open mind instead of judging someone based on a setof rules
>>562322238 >dude. you can ignore and forget words. seriously, no words can ever cause any PTSD as people like you want to claim it can. >i have no understanding of psychology and human emotions thanks for proving my point, are you conservative by any chance? you know the people that go with numbers and completely disregard the human element
>this is why there's no law against it. Oh for now, i am not sure about it in the future
>>562322238 >oh yes, someone jumped into their room, shouted "YOU'RE A GIRL, FAGGOT" at that boy i think that is what we call perfect ad hominem
>>562322771 >>i have no understanding of psychology and human emotions >lol u disgree wiff me, u dumb I'm the person people come to when it comes to psychology, and recommend me to study it. what you might refer to is being a tri-gendered transnigger from tumblr. I'm not conservative. my issue is just that you can still ignore and repress words. believe me, you little shit. I've been sexually harassed as a child. no words can come near that. and you can go ahead and act as soft and whiney as you want, but claiming that words truly impact you just proves how much you want to be seen as the victim of an attack. if you disregard words, it's just done. someone tells you you're the worst shit they've ever seen. you're sad. someone tells you to cheer up because he told you bullshit. you're happy again. WOAH THAT WAS A TRAUMA YOU'VE PASSED. no it's not.
and you have no idea what ad hominem means. ad hominem would be "lol fuk u ur dumb", but at no point I insulted you. if at max, it was ad absurdum, and not even that is the case because my statement precisely suits what you claimed it would work like. when a trans starts the treatment, noone tells them to change their gender. except maybe other trans. and those trans-"beginners" to call it like, buy that and proceed to keep their teeth dug deep into that believe, not letting go for the rest of their life. once when I had a depressive episode and was feeling lonely as hell, a trans suggested that I might be trans as well, and I almost bought it. guess what, after getting past the episode, I realized that I am most definitely what I am. strange how it all depends on how satisfied you are with your life.
>>562322771 >because going with your emotions (which ppl lie about and cannot be scientifically quantify) to create the law is better than the opinion of the majority proven by facts, science, and statistics
Are you the retarded transexual son of a dictator anon?
>>562324434 it's probably a feminist bitch. just let me chew that one, I think I'm getting through to her/him/xorioblargl-fucking-pronoun-shit. I'm interested in what excuses s/he/it'll make up next to disregard what I say. hopefully it's not the same "wow you're mean because you disagree with me" shit. else I'm out. I'm not on 4chan to argue with tumblrettes.
>>562323703 >repress words >i am a psychologist who consider repression a healthy defense mechanism Oh are you gonna promote straight camps too then?
>you little shit woo getting awfully emotional here, shouldnt you psychologists be like the jedi and be in control of your emotions?
>sexually harassed as a child oh i see, you have been hurt by the experience and now you want to feel like you have a control over the damage it caused and that everyone else should follow your path and repress their problems. i am sorry noneone was around to help you during those difficult times, but because you SUFFERED doesnt mean others should suffered and you shouldnt help them
Seriously, this is one of the most typical behavior people have with past events "omg i did a dumb mistake and hurt my leg, but i learned from it, i better tell my son nothing so he can HURT himself and become a man like me".
Sorry the world is unfair, i know you have been hurt but that does not mean everyone else should be hurt just like you, you should fight to make people AVOID being hurt instead of letting them.
>a trans suggested that I might be trans as well Not everyone is perfect, you accepted what she said because she helped you and treated you good. Yes it might have not been a good idea for her to project her own issues on you but that is no reason for you to hold any grudge or anything against her.
People with good lives can also have dysphoria even when everything else is perfect
>>562323703 >strange how it all depends on how satisfied you are with your life.
If that was true then I wouldn't be a bloody transwoman. I was going on with my life happily being a typical gay guy with a good life in front of him without any major problems. And guess what, I always had fantasies about women but I ignored them as something just sexual or silly. There had been a couple of times when I was younger that I thought I was trans but I dismissed it, I was too scared to accept the truth and repressed it, and then it came back even worse. Nobody would go through transition by choice, that feeling that you are in the wrong body is forcing transwomen to go through that. I wish I was just a normal gay guy, alas I am not
>>562322986 Post but our relationship kindof started on a "HEY I USED TO BE A GUY" footing. By the end of the first week knew her I saw her old pictures and met her family.
It s funny because it was like dating the coolest chick ever. She loved MMA, beer, steaks and action movies. Same time she would want sex constantly >That was an amazing date, lets have sex! >I'm a bit mad you didn't call me yesterday, lets have rough sex! >Theres nothing on tv tonight, wanna have sex? >The guys said they'll be here in about ten minutes.......quick sex? She enjoyed looking nice for anything, wore heels almost everywhere, and had a great (slightly twisted) sense of humor.
Honestly if she hadn't moved to New England with her family to finish college I would have married her i think.
>>562324434 >>>562324765 kek I already said it. probably going to be more ad hominem over-emotional bullshit trying to argue around the point.
>>562324771 repression can emotionally toughen you up. are you the one guy that says "hey no don't call me son of a bitch that's rude" when people call you that outta fun, when referring to you in a friendly, bro-esque way? come on. you're on 4chan. if you seriously want to tell me that insults and words actually hurt you, you're either 14 or just retarded, and that by the definition of retarded. in our society, you learn to swallow down insults like they're nothing and reply with another insult. that's called self-awareness. you know what to think about yourself, and there's no need to cry because anyone says anything negative about you.
>shouldnt you psychologists be like the jedi and be in control of your emotions? profanity gives you a feeling of control and calmness. I swear a shitload, every day, all the time. and I feel great.
I never claimed that you should repress your problems, and I do not try to repress it. I do feel bad about it, and it sometimes still haunts me. but what I mean is that words should in no way get you down, that's just being way too open for everything. stop interpreting so much nonsense into the statement "words mean nothing." for the love of god, every person that has ever been abused, harassed, or tortured, will get every help from me s/he wants. and I can always cheer someone up when words get him to cry, but god damn it, after that, it's fine. I have never, NEVER seen anyone who was not considered overly emotional for everyday society say "what you said 3 months ago still keeps me awake at night sometimes". someone saying that has never experienced anything that truly impacts your psychological well-being, and just tries to keep up. it's emotional masturbation, and that's it.
the post's getting pretty long, I can also write another shitload about the rest of yours, if you'd like me to.
I'd have to say your other post was pretty eloquent. I think it's just hard to make ppl who like to victimize themselves see reason. It's comfortable being the victim, you don't have to take responsibility for your self.
Proven by how the moron (he/she/it? I don't care) belittle your painful experience and make it about the idiot being a victim again. "Oh! I'm sorry that happened to you. That's why you should support my totally different (semi?) suffering". Wtf?
Also said: >there's no reason to hold a grudge to ppl who did you harm. But apparently S/he/it is allowed to lel
>>562326214 >repression can emotionally toughen you up yes so much that it makes you blind to the pain and suffering of others. How many trans people are depressed because they are rejected everyday and hurt by people like who will add to the pile of hurtful comments about them??
Not everyone is able to deal with pain like you, you shouldnt expect everyone to toughen up. There is a reason some people need help, it is because toughen up doesnt help them and can actually cause them to repress themselves which is gonna lead to further problems and pain in life. Do you not care at all about the future? Repression might help for now but it will come back later to haunt you in some way
>>562326853 >It's comfortable being the victim, you don't have to take responsibility for your self. yes might as well tell everyone to toughen up so the people with problems or other issues that overwhelm them will die. Are you from /pol/ or something?
>there's no reason to hold a grudge to ppl who did you harm. But apparently S/he/it is allowed to lel Because she didnt mean it, she herself has problems and was not trying to hurt him. it was not intentional.
Unlike the millions of close minded people who purposely try to hurt any kind of deviant because they dont fit in their narrow minded world views they were raised to base their entire reality on.
>belittle your painful experience I didnt bellitle it, i know what he went through was horrible and helping him would require a lot of time and discussion which we dont have here, hopefully he ll deal with those issues since psychologists also go to other psychologists for therapy
I think those who says words can hurt as much as physical abuse have never even got punched in their life, let alone beaten up and physically abused.
That's why they can insult all those ppl so lightly and claim their pain are the same.
My internet's somehow kinda slow ATM btw, so if I'm suddenly gone, it's not because a bunch of angry feminists with torches and pitchforks beat me up for hurting their feelings by not agreeing to their opinion
>>562325403 replace "trans" with "cis" and "woman" with "man" and you have my statement. that's it. it's a spinning coin thing, and you can freely decide for either. and, about the fantasies with women: I'm bi. and yes, I discovered it over time. I never had issues with homosexuality, and I mentally welcome every fantasy I have.
>I wish I was just a normal gay guy
>>562326885 >makes you blind to the pain and suffering of others well I have a medical mindset: do no harm. I can see the pain and suffering of others. any time. I just refuse to see someone being sad over words. people used to call me dumb a lot because I was just not popular in the past, and people searched for any way to get me down because I refused to be their bully victim of choice. it hurt, yes, but it was not a traumatic experience. I have no scars from it, and no inferiority complex. I felt absolutely shit, and had a little break-down a single time, but it's nothing that would affect my chronic emotional health.
>not everyone is able to deal with pain like you well you know why? because people don't face pain. look at our ancestors. they got shit done. they had lots of pain. lots of fighting. lots of exhaustions. but god damn it, think of your great-great-great...something-grandfather. your ancestors. they were able to build an entire, stable building with blood and sweat. why you couldn't do that? because you've never suffered the pain and exhaustion it takes to build something stone by stone, and move a hammer smash by smash. wounds hurt. they make you resistant to paint. working out hurts. it makes you more endurant and muscular. getting emotionally confronted hurts. it gives you more self-awareness and control, thus charisma and confidence. >what doesn't kill you makes you stronger
I have no suicide attempts yet. so I consider myself stable.
>>562327704 >not realizing how people were lead to suicide by WORDS Well you obviously cant even grasp basic psychology.
Being hurt physically is painful but the psychological effect of the beating could cause someone to die because of that, physical pain alone is useless for that.
When people are continuously hurt emotionally by even the TINIEST details from angry comments, negative comments, hateful looks or even bad wording then all those things add up, and they suffer from severe depression because of it and if they suicide, it is everyone's fault and not theirs because they didnt "toughen up" like some close minded texas dad telling that to his kid and causing it serious problems in his adult life
>>562328169 >wounds hurt. they make you resistant to paint dat typo remember children, when you break your leg, you'll never fall for MS Paint again.
>>562328215 honestly, that's called failed parenting. if your parents titter tatter you too much, you're expecting to get punched down by words. you can always endure words and toughen up from them, unless it's too much because your parents never prepared you for a world full of pricks. that's when you snap and decide to an hero. that's nothing with overall psychology, that is really failed parenting. your parents are supposed to prepare you for the outside world, not hear you laugh like a happy baby all the time.
To all the retards citing psychology as a reputable source of truth or facts regarding human behavior:
psychology has essentially no scientific basis for its claims and most "knowledge" changes radically from decade to decade and is based correlations derived by relatively small samples (3000+ people) of the population.
also, if you kill yourself because of what others call/tell you then you have been naturally selected and should be honored that you are not muddying up the gene pool with your emotional instability.
>>562327561 No, we make them tougher so they stop being a victim and don't die. Wtf? Are you saying we should coddle ppl and tell the world to be especially nice to some just because? Why should they? We're (supposedly) equal
You told him because he was sexually abused he should help those who are emotionally abused. Those are very different things. The fact that you made those correlations belittles his painful experience. Just like those ppl who got bullied and claiming to have PTSD. That's an insult to those soldiers that actually went to war. (Justified or not that war is)
>she didn't mean it So if I accidentally hit you with my car and cripple you it's ok because it wasn't intentional? Yeah, I know it's a different thing, you think emotional and physical pain are the same though. So this counts
>>562328892 agreed, the psychology we currently talk about is rather sociology, aka soft science bullshit that can be varied anytime. but modern psychology is actually leaning onto neurology; it's hard science, proven by biochemistry and neurology.
>>562328957 there's a difference between explaining your child how the world works in a cold manner of fact way and insulting your child. the last thing you should ever do to your child is insult it. that, again, is failed parenting. children seek safety under your wings, to put it like that, and you mustn't tell them "shhhh muh babyyy it's all okay" but not support the bully, either. you have to make them understand what's going on. and why they shouldn't listen to all that shit.
parenting nowadays is difficult as fuck, now that EVERYONE who's middleaged, whether in the education system or politics or other low-level science thinks s/he knows better how to parent properly.
>>562334967 Indeed. That's the pronoun I chose to use. I don't really want to get in to the whole sex vs gender retarded debate. All I know is calling him a her keeps me well stocked on anal and blow jobs. I haven't woken up to the sound of an alarm in over a year.
>>562336261 Why? Because I think splitting hairs on what you are and what you feel is moronic? Saying "I'm a woman trapped in a man's body!" to me is the equivalent of saying "I'm an ocelot trapped in a man's body!"
>>562336435 The pronoun has nothing to do with treating women like sex toys. There are a whole host of things I'd lose, plus like a week long argument if I called him a dude. I used sex because that's the relative topic. Kids these days take everything so fucking literally.
> note, I used fucking. That doesn't mean anything in that sentence pertained to sex.
>>562338309 the pic implied a loli with a tentacle monster. that's what I was talking about. the pic doesn't say it's okay for a guy to fuck make sweet sweet love with a tentacle monster. this is outrageous.
>>562340804 We don't all practice voodoo it's pretty much just flashy Catholicism anyway, and come in August. No tourists here for the entire month. Everyone is grumpy because our imported tail has been cut off. Come on October!
>>562341026 Personally, I like the taboo factor of it. It's not what your supposed to do, so that makes it more enjoyable. Plus I think it feels better, and my wife likes it too. We only do it once in a while because she's always sore after.
i've always wanted to fuck a shemale i've only ever met one in person my entire life he was a 6 foot 8 inch tall nigger in a really filthy dress and it winked at me and gestured for me to follow it into a broom closet i sent my nearsighted friend paul in instead
Trans are not biologically this or that. If anything, the fact they're trans shows they're not properly 'biologically A/B'.
1. Physical expression of sex chromosomes can be totally botched up, causing intersex states. 2. Transsexualism is a psychosomatic disorder, aka the mind doesn't match the body. 3. Post-transition, the body is much closer to the desired gender than the physical starting point. Matching soft tissue, matching hormones, matching visuals. The largest differences are skeleton and function of genitalia (cisA genitalia being more functional than transA genitalia.) But wait... ciswomen sometimes also lack wombs and or have not-super-functional genitalia. Gasp. and... wow. cismen also sometimes have floppy microdicks. 4. All attempts at treating transsexuals without transition have failed. Transition is as thus the best current alternative. (Lol an hero -> 3edgy5me)
5. people on tumblr are generally retards, don't judge transsexuals based on ridiculous behavior of trigendered transniggers there, plox. Because, if you do, you have to face the following: A) there are dumb men on tumblr. you belong to the category men. ermagehrd, you're a worthless piece of flesh. B) there are dumb women on tumblr. you belong to the category women. ermagehrd, you're a worthless piece of flesh.
6. Refusing to call trans by preferred pronouns ->please legally change your name to Bitch McBitchtits. You're not bothering giving others the verrrrrry small modicum of politeness needed to use a reference they're comfortable with, after all, so why should anyone call you anything but Bitch McBitchtits, Bitch McBitchtits?
>>562321685 >Take away free speech cus I'm delusional Fuck off. No one deserves special treatment cus theyre different. People should be allowed to say what they want. THAT is far more important for for human rights.
>>562346214 A lot of the time a surrogate mother is somebody the couple already knows and trusts, which can make the process easier. I've always been an advocator of adoption. Even if I could have my own children biologically, I would opt to adopt if my partner were okay with it.
>>562347880 Your partner isn't okay with it? Understandable. It's just inside us naturally to procreate. But I don't suppose its ethically reasonable that I'd not adopt because I don't want another's child..
>>562348408 I do not have a partner, I was just stating it as a conditional. Partner comes before a hypothetical, always. I've never felt much urge to procreate, the world is overpopulated as it is. Adoption is one way of contributing on both a world scale and a familial scale.
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