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Why do we masturbate /b/?

I've come to a lot of deep realization about it recently, I know half this site would fight to the tooth to prove it's not destroying our lives, some even going as far to say it's healthy for us, but to me they're on the same delusion tier of fat acceptance whales.

I've read some shit on /pol/ about the new generation of media, the MLP fanbase is basically asexual, they've given up on their need to find a mate and fulfill it with their own fantasies.

Are we any different? We fulfill our own desires every day to porn, why would our body even push us to mate with a human? On every level masturbation is fucked, most men can't even get a hardon for women any more, that testosterone buzz you used to get when you saw a hot girl? far gone since you were 13, now all you feel is insecurity when you look at one, even on a spiritual level masutrbation is you blowing all your power onto some tissue, even on a spiritual level a woman will sense no power coming from you, as you've blown your load 25 times in the last month.

This all happened when I came back yesterday from a 3 week trip with my friend, I've always awkward around girls, we shared a room and we were generally always out so i could never jack off.

9th day I started feeling it, I felt drunk 24/7, that confidence you get from booze, but it was stronger, it has a bit more aggression in it than the normal semi confident laid back feel booze does.

Long story short, I've never had such motivation to get women, and ive never had such confidence, I turned 180 degrees from a social over thinker to a doer, and I can only relate it to masturbation, it's like something i never experienced.

Will you keep lying to yourselves /b/? Or will you finally quit masturbating for the good of your own true potential.
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>>561928412
interdasting.jpeg
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Bump, get in here faggots.
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I've assessed this thought as well, and I've come to the conclusion it isn't really the problem with masturbating.


It's more about exercising, eating well and sleeping well.

Following those rules I could fuck / masturbate nonstop and the sexual drive wouldn't go away.
Depression is also away.


But if I stayed home all day long doing nothing but sitting, I would get depressed and it wouldn't get hard even if I didn't touch it for an entire week.
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>>561928412
tl;dr
op is a fag
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>>561928412
I think you mean "turned 360 degrees"
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>>561928412
Muhammed Ali once said that he would not have sex for 2 months before a big match to build up his aggression, strength and natural adrenaline.

Today MMA fighters do the same. There is clearly some kind of link.
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>>561928412
Lost my virginity last month. fucked her half mast. Did some googling, porn addiction makes it hard to be stimulated by normal women. Quit fapping for a week, try not to even watch porn, get hard anytime im near her now.
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>>561929045
kbro
>>561929036
I feel they're completely seperate, I'm fit and I work out but that only ever gave me mental well being, and feeling good, feeling good doesn't push me to leave my comfort zone, if anything I mostly just became a guy who relies too much on the avatar approach to women
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>>561929438
[citation needed]
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>>561929438
yea I heard that too, 1 month before a big fight they cannot masturbate or fuck, by the time the weigh in and face off takes place they already wanna rip each other's faces off.
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>>561929462
Awesome, how old are you /b/ro?
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I'm with OP. No masturbation is the best thing I have ever done to get the ladies and to build self confidence. After a long time of no fapping I started doing it again because I forgot what it was like. So at the moment im struggling to not fap again its really hard man.
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most "alpha" i've ever been was when I moved in with a few friends. no internet, no fapping. During that time in my life, I got more BJ's, hand jobs, and ass than all the years after.

It's not about fapping, it's about being on the computer and letting your life click away.
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It's been scientifically proven that jackin it does jack shit to you unless you do it 24 times a day then you will have a sore ass taint.

We masturbate to relieve tension/sexual tension/feel good/ or explore our bodies to find out what and how it makes us feel good. I don't like being a fedora tipper usually as I'm agnostic, but on topics like these it's best to steer clear of any form of religious opinions on masturbation. God forbid you do mention it to anyone with a diety to believe in then you better prepare for the shitstorm of opinions on how your ball sack will disintegrate or you are losing your "man power" everytime you blow your wad.

Masturbation is perfectly healthy and can even improve your daily life. It's also proven to help prevent prostate cancer. Yes we all do masturbate much but it's not wether or not we stop or continue masturbating for the sake of finding a mate. It's wether or not we have the balls to get out there and improve ourselves on our own and prove to your preferred female that you are indeed a worthy mate that will provide and take care of each others offspring. Show you are the alpha male. Show you have confidence. Don't use the fact that you like fapping to hentai 24/7 as an excuse for not getting laid.

>TL;DR OP is a beta fag who discovered that he could actually get grills instead of staying with his chinese cartoon "waifu".
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>>561930174
21. Lost it on my bithday, 19th July. Shit was cash. She actually wanted to fuck for months b4 hand but I was beta as hell. I think we're friends with benefits at the minute. At least, we had sex again and we arnt dating.
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>>561928412
I got girls while i was masturbating, but none of them were as skilled as my own hand, so not only did i get less satisfaction, i also had to sacrifice my own time and perhaps money for movies/food etc.

I don't think there's someone out there that will satisfy the criteria of surpassing my hand while still being 100% free. Not even brony.
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>>561930537
I had the same results as OP dude.
Trust me no fapping makes you not give a fuck about alot of things. NO FAP=DON'T GIVE A FUCK.
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>>561928412
but if i dont fap i cum in 5 seconds during sex
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I have tried time and time again. 2 days in and its just autopilot takes over. I do not have the ability to keep control and i fap and i regret it. If anyone has any pro tips on how to stop I would greatly appreciate.
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>>561930876
Don't masturbate, there
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>>561928412
BEING ALPHA IS BORING AS FUCK
Stop that old farce
In Gamma we trust, unite!
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>>561930373
>It's not about fapping, it's about being on the computer and letting your life click away.

So much of this.
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>>561930537
Relax bro, you have your opinion and I have mine, but

>We masturbate to relieve tension/sexual tension/feel good/ or explore our bodies to find out what and how it makes us feel good

This sounds like a super tryhard way to justify it, why are you defending it so hard? also i call bullshit on the relieving tension and stress shit, if anything I think most ppl on this site need less depression and more tension to get off their asses rather than be drained all day.
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>>561930876
What worked for me was no porn sites or even 4chan. These sites trigger it way to much for us to stop.
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>>561931129
>most ppl on this site need less depression and more tension to get off their asses
Most people on this site are now normal people with jobs, swag fags with hustles, and 13 year olds with mommy and daddy. This isn't the /b/ of yesteryear.
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>>561931129
>I think most ppl on this site need less depression and more tension to get off their asses rather than be drained all day.

Welp, that one hit close to home, anon.
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>>561931293
if you tell me this site doesn't have people who suffer with members of the female species then I swear man............
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>>561931129

Good grief. I've only just realised you're a moron. I'm out.
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>>561928412
Bro its a basic animal instinct that is there so we always wanna fuck.
If we lost the motivation to want to fuck all the time we wouldn't have 7 billion + people
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>>561931557
You said "most ppl" -- I'm just saying that the neckbeard is now the minority, and the normalfag is the majority
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>>561930537
What I found while googling was that its not masturbation thats bad but porn. It desensitize you when you need a girl to have all holes penetrated by nigger dicks and a mouthful of cum to get off
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>>561931689
yea, exactly my point, when we
>>561930537
>feel good/ or explore our bodies to find out what and how it makes us feel good
We are basically sated, that's why we sleep after ejaculation, our work here is done.

But what did we ejaculate to? A real woman? Or exploring our fucking bodies (kek, rubbing my dick)

I bet if I stopped jacking off, my animal instinct would skyrocket as my body is now on survival mode, you wouldnt be thinking twice about talking to a girl, or standing out in a crowd.
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>>561930789
Well, yeah. Thats what I mean I geuss. I was also drunk as hell for it being my first day legal so theirs also that.
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>>561928412
There's something to this for sure, but I think there needs to be a distinction between masturbation and masturbating with porn.

I started having trouble maintaining an erection during sex with my 10/10 wife ( then gf) and it was freaking me out. It really started bothering me because I could get a hard on from just thinking about porn, but when it came to actual sex, there were times I just couldn't keep it up long enough to get up in dat coochie. Anyway, I started doing some research, and the more I read, the more it started making sense that it was the porn use that was causing my ED. There's a lot of research out there suggesting that habitual porn use rewires our brains and that we start sexually indentifying with porn, and that we are more excited about watching sex than having sex. Anyway, tried to quit watching porn, after a month or so of abstaining, boner power came back. Plowing gf all the time , can't stop thinking about her, awesome sex.

Months go by, one night gf doesn't want to have sex, too much Mexican food, she passes out early, I'm horny as fuck. Start thinking about porn, tell myself I've broken my addiction. Go to fav porn site, fap like a mother fucker. It's awesome, hot chicks getting pounded. Cum, instantly feel like a douche bag. Dick still in hand I audibly call myself and asshole. Crawl into bed with gf. Week goes by, try to have sex on Friday night. Boner is no where to be found. Gf gets frustrated, anxiety levels peak, boner has left the country.

Over next 5 years repeat this cycle 5-6 times a year.
Back to my point about discriminating between masturbation and porn use, when I'm trying to keep myself from looking at porn, I jerk off quite a bit with no visual stimuli, and this has no effect on my libido in regards to wanting to fuck. If anything, jacking it makes me better at sex because if I don't, after like a week I'm ready to pop in like 40 seconds
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>>561932494
tl;dr
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>>561931129
Read more you stupid nigger. When you masturbate the body releases a special set of hormones. First the one that affect the valves in your penis to keep the erectiok going. This in turn makes any feeling on the penis while erect pleasurable. Now once you have achieved orgasm your body will release another set of hormones called dopamine along serotonin and a few other "pleasure" Bio-fluids. Now when this happens, it's your body's way of rewarding you. It's telling you "Hey good fucking job on knocking that bitch up and continuing our species! Keep it up!". Understand now? Everytime you cum all over a fullscreen picture of some ladyboy with panties on, your body thinks you accomplished one of the most primitive and important goals of any species. Thats why when it happens all stress is relieved, you feel good, and you suddenly feel like you don't need to do anything for a little while because biologically you've fucking made it. You accomplished your goal for reproduction. Its supposed to feel good because it keeps us all from going extinct you fucking nigger.

>TL;DR I'm not saying you should keep masturbating every waking moment and I'm not saying you should never masturbate again. I'm just saying don't fucking dwell on it and go find yourself a grill and during your journey feel free to whack it a few times.
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>>561932494
Yea I read that shit too, apparently watching porn a bigger fuckup than the actual masturbation.

I mean, it's pretty viable as a theory, when was it so natural in our evolution to watch other's fuck, and take pleasure from it? ON SUCH FREQUENT OCCASIONS.

Also perhaps explains the new cuckold fetish that's spreading like the plague.
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>>561933012
kbro read
>>561932242
next time before you write that wall.

But thanks anyway /b/ro
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>>561932494
maybe try thinking about her whilr mastubating? I read somewhere that can be a better alternative. Or make a video. I dont know how it would feel to fap to a video that includes yourself though.
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>>561933289
It's great
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>>561928412
Medical professionals say it's healthy.

Who am I going to believe? Someone who has been studying the inner workings of the human body for more than a decade, or some basement dwelling wannabe alpha /fit/tard?

Yeah.
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wanted to start bashing on your post but changed my mind as I read everything. Solid argument OP, I fuck my gf with the force of a rabid lion when I don't jack off for 3 days.
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>>561933531
it's healthy for your balls, medics don't care about your mental or social states
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>>561933013
>Also perhaps explains the new cuckold fetish that's spreading like the plague.
My guess is that watching others fuck (watching porn) for too long becomes what our brains consider right and normal. So we want to see our partners doing whats right and normal too. Just a shitty guess.
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>>561933012
I dont know if it was because I consciously knew it was real sex or not but the whole week following haveing lost my vcard I felt amazing. I didn't brag about it to my friends or anything eather because still beta and was raised to not kiss and tell so it wasn't just that either. I really was hardlythinking about it at all, I just felt great in general. from that I think our bodies know when it was real or not.
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>>561928412
Don't know what's wrong with you...I've never had trouble with women, never been socially awkward, and I masturbate at least every other day, often more.
I've been this way since I was 14 (25 now), I could do it two-three times in a day and still be ready to go if my wife's in the mood.
Though I might just have an abnormally high sex drive.
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>>561933835
>medics don't care about your mental or social states

That's fucking retarded. You're fucking retarded.
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>>561928412
you can masturbate without wasting your power
drink your cum
rub it on your skin
put it in your ass
inhale it
do the testicle-meditation whatever it is
there must be some way
fuck that, there is no greater power than masturbation
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>>561930876
This may sound old fashion, but.
Get a hobby, or a strenuous job. I'm a mover so by the time I get home im exhausted and have no desire to touch myself.
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>>561933986
such inspiring profound words

Thanks based faggot
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>>561934091
I have no interest in inspiring someone with the mental capacity of a 7-year-old.
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>>561934225
and I have no interest in the reactions of an autistic sac of shit
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>>561933531
exactly my point, it's unhealthy to abstain, which is why your body will stop at nothing until it seeks and destroys pussy, if you jack it off constantly, you're fully sated, your body thinks you bagged a 8/10 and pats you on the head, throws you out some fake happy high, then tell you you earned some sleep.

You could be having sex constantly if you stayed away from masturbating, but you don't even have the motivation because you found a plan B to outlet your carnal desires.

P.S: I live in an apartment bro
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>>561934416
I have a girlfriend. Poof there goes your theory.

>>561934405
Google autism, shut up and eat shit and die.
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>>561933841
I'd say it's an accurate guess /b/ro
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>>561934691
Oh look, a description of you shows up on the first page. Good we cleared that up you cockmongler.
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>>561930876
I know how you feel. It probably took me a year before I could actually stop. You could put yourself in situations where its impossible to fap and try to get the ball rolling from there, that's what ended up working for me.
Also stay off 4chan or just the internet in general. It really doesn't help
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The only thing this thread has shown me is that people will go to really far lengths to hold onto something they believe in or are addicted to, kinda like me like 3 months ago

to all my bros wishing to quit the habit, good luck, always remember the reward you'll get, and remember to pair it up with lots of social interaction, 2 days of no fap+1 8/10= fuck insecurity, I NEED THAT ASS
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>>561933490
Kek
>>561933531
Thx for the perfect example. Medical professionals also say its not a big deal to eat McDonalds once in a while, so landwhales eat it for lunch everday and "balance" with a diet coke.
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>>561933289
Yeah, I do that anyways because she's smoking hot. I thought about asking her to make a video with me, but i think the problem is that I'm watching sex and masturbating and not actually engaging in the sex, it wouldn't matter if she was actually in the videos or not.

On a side note, does anyone else find it strange that the majority of porn sites are inundated with ads for erectile dysfunction medication, when the whole point of pornography is to arouse you? I strongly doubt all the dudes who watch porn are visiting these sites limp dick. Chances are they can get it up just fine for the virtual ladies, just not the real life ones
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>>561928412
>reading pol

uh fuck
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>>561930243
>its really hard man
I bet it is
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Hi, here's my story /b/. I jack it a lot, few times a day, for years now. I don't have any particular interests in girls because I satisfy myself on computer. Few months ago I made almost a monthly long nofap - it was great, I was reading books, doing sports, eating healthy, achieving daily goals, taking cold showers - until some time later when I got curious, was browsing web and jacked it. Now I masturbate full-time again, I cant go beyond three days. Instead of making something of my life i just sit here masturbating. Meh, that's the curse twenty-first century put on me.
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>>561936290
blame society for denying you the ability to fuck often and well.

The amount of time one must dedicate towards other pursuits; acquiring food, exercising as our jobs don't lend themselves to healthy lifestyles, the song and dance of dating/sleeping with people.

Shit its no wonder we have to fuck ourselves.
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>>561936161
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ok guys today is the day. im gonna stop fapping.
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I watch a ton of internet porn and masturbate constantly and I don't have any problem getting girls. I don't know what the OP is talking about.

>>561933013

You should be down with the cuckolding fetish. I've banged a ton of 8-10/10 girls who had boyfriends I'd have no chance banging. But since they're allowed to fuck other dudes I've gotten to bang them and not have to deal with the girly relationship type shit.
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>>561936918
No don't get me wrong I dont have problems with girls, but I'm a shy type guy, my power with women was limited to whether she slowly got closer to me over time, and then we would fuck/date/fling wtv.

But when i dont fap I get a good testosterone buzz, I start going after girls, I'm louder, more confident, I'm not so much of a passive dater as i become more of just a social animal.
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>>561936598
>blame society
>pls don't be such an autist
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>>561935686
>doing something in moderation
>doing something excessively

These are different things.
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>>561937217
have you tried alcohol? Does the same thing you're describing.
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>>561928412
>Not able to have a wank AND fuck bitches.
Back to /theredpill or wherever the fuck you came from delusional beta.
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>>561937568
I did, I couldn't party without it, but alcohol has more of a mellow confident feel to it, whereas this is more of a conscious confident feel, you know where are, you're thinking fully straight, and you're confident and horny.
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>>561937217

it sounds like your problem isn't sexual drive/libido that people blame on porn and masturbating, but your assertiveness in regards to sex.

its cool that building testosterone by no fapping helps you with that, but there are other ways to achieve the same goal without needing to single out pornography.
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>>561928412
You felt more confident because you hadn't blown your load. Your body and mind was motivated to jizz, therefor you were more aggresive.
OP is a fag.
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>Fapped at least 3 times a day
>Got gf
>Stopped fapping
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>>561937802
I pretty much always know where I am and where I'm going. Booze just drowns the doubts to a level of no return. Strong booze though, not beer. Beer sucks.
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That's an interesting idea op but I'm not sure I can accept that challenge. the longest I went without masturbating is 3 days so I'm pretty sure I'll die if I longer than that.
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>>561928412
Didn't fap for a month each month while I was on a tour in Afghanistan.
No change in sexual thirst, confidence, physical endurance, or tiredness at all.
It seemed to me that the more I kept from fapping the less I wanted to fap at all. Just did it at the end of each month just to empty the sack. No pleasure, just ogre.

OP is a fag.
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>>561937884
name one. i accidentally stopped fapping for about 2 weeks now, feel same as op. don't really want to quit fapping though
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>>561938531
Don't quit fapping then. But maybe ditch the porn. You should be able to enjoy a good fap without any outside stimuli.
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>>561928412

Modern men are increasingly sexually desensitized, true, but the men themselves can't be entirely blamed.

Stress is one of the top-most killers of male sexual desire. Men often eat pressure or stress on a daily basis in modern commercialized societies, leading to premature burnouts of both men and male sexual desire. It’s often said that when poverty knocks on the door, love flies out of the window. In modern commercialized times, you could add sex to that statement as well. We’ve learned how to make a living, but not how to make a life.

Throw in modern day inflated sexual ideals regarding penis size, ejaculation time, sexual skills etc. and the average modern man then has enough unrealistic pressure from society (and often from his partner) to perform as a porn star in bed, thus contributing to stress from performance anxiety. Sex then becomes a gladiatorial fight to prove a man’s virility to his over-expecting, socially brainwashed partner, often disconnecting it from the pleasure principle, eventually leading to male sexual burnout.

It doesn't help that our culture measures men's worth as a human being by their ability to placate women either.

Porn; the dangers of porn rewiring the male mind to alter male sexual desire are well known. Even worse are its effects on happy, fulfilling relationships–to eventually destroy them. The average man masturbates more with access to porn, leading to sexual depletion and a whole range of other dangerous sexual and psychological problems, which further damages his sexuality.

Add to all of this that our everyday life is so SATURATED with sexual imagery that it's commonplace. Sex has become mundane.

Furthermore, a lot of women today are only good for the pussy; they bring nothing else of value to the table. Why bother investing time and energy into getting one when you just give yourself similar pleasure and not deal with their bullshit in the first place?
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>>561933012
>your body will release another set of hormones called dopamine along serotonin

>hormones
>dopamine, serotonine

NIGGRO, THOSE ARE NEUROTRANSMITTERS
get your shit together
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This might sound weird, but change your diet for six months - go on keto. Porn becomes less interesting, masturbation becomes less interesting. Sex drive increases, but paradoxically has less influence over general behaviour. Women become more interested, testosterone increases. Rock hard erections, fuck like a god. Mental clarity improved, stamina improved. Try it for at least 30 days, and you'll see. Research it and do it properly though.
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>>561938531

for me uppers gets the same result. If I go to a club on vyvanse I'll pretty much whip my dick out on the dance floor to get girls.

Other ones that work well for me are peer pressure and wanting to fit in with friends. If they go get girls I don't wanna be the only loser who leaves alone. So that motivates me to be assertive with girls.
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>>561938840
I started reading that but then
got bored instantly....tl&dr currently looking at porn and fapping.
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>>561929171
when you turn 360 you are where you were faggot.
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>>561939015
oh god keto, I'd recommend taking zinc and magnesium supplements rather than doing keto
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>>561937538
Thats actually all im saying though. We were told fapping is good for us anyway so we fap everyday. Thats too much. By the time I quit I needed to do it drastically for the next weekend as it was her birthdayparty and she insisted I be there that night. It worked wonders to go a week limp dicked.
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>>561938840
You had me until that last paragraph. I think a big part of the problem is that modern society is hypersexualizing and objectifying both genders. Somehow we've all been convinced that the opposite gender is just for sex, and that meaningful relationships with the opposite gender are fruitless beyond fucking one another. This is a fallacy, as anyone who has actually been in a long term relationship knows that sex is such a small part of the equation. I like to call sex the glue of a relationship, it's necessary to hold it together, but it's not the reason it exists.
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>>561938697
to put it like this, my libido is not high enough to actually get a girl, i get aroused around hot ones but feeling goes away shortly after. now after two weeks of no fapping i feel a lot more attracted to girls, plus more social, im less of a misanthrope, i hate ppl a lot less. about alcohol, while drunk i don't give much of a fuck about anything, bitches included, even it does boost confidence, but the morning after, while hangover, i feel incredibly horny.
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>>561939476
I'd recommend taking zinc and magnesium supplements AS WELL as keto.

Also try Modafinil at the same time.
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>>561938906
fuk u nerd. Bitches want ma WHOREMONES.
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>>561930537
>It's been scientifically proven that jackin it does jack shit to you unless you do it 24 times a day then you will have a sore ass taint.

[citation needed]
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>>561939735
>Modafinil
Never tried it, sounds like retalin, or something. I just quickly glanced after googling it.
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>>561939735
Does it turn you into a muscle head with a small dick? I don't want that.
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>>561939690
Yeah,alcohol never helped me get women. It just allowed my misogyny to surface, especially with liquor.
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>>561940065
If you want to experience what being a man can really be like instead of being a basement fapping neckbead, try these things, I'm serious.

The US Military is currently funding the development of keto field rations, and they are also giving fighter pilots Modafinil to increase flight hours and focus. Believe me, these things do work.

Staying on keto requires discipline though, it is fairly restrictive.
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>>561940115
Nope. In fact, my dick actually got bigger on keto, and my erections became stronger.
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>>561939638
That's your problem, not mine. I fap when I feel like it. I don't need to do it every day. Nor do I need to abstain completely in the interest of some illusory confidence boost due to some only vaguely scientific hypothesis about an increase in testosterone. Also, as I already mentioned I have a girlfriend, so I don't have to worry about it.
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>>561928412
30 day out, glad i did it.
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That's called desperation
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>>561939690
I wonder if it's your labido, or your confidence. They are certainly tied to one another (no confidence, no labido and via versa). Maybe you're just not looking at "getting a girl" right. A lot of men see getting a girl as impressing her enough to get her to fuck you. But that's such a small and shallow part the whole courting thing. I think a lot of guys miss the big picture in that sex is just how girls draw us in, but they want more, they want a partner, they want someone who they can trust and who they can spend time with. Basically, they want a boyfriend, which isn't a bad thing, but it's the exact opposite of what a man wants.

Anyway, my point is that if you want to "get a girl" and find someone you can have enjoyable sex with, drop the whole "tryina git sum pussy" mentality, or at least let it take a back seat. In my experience, the key is to make friends with a girl, and then make your move before she gets bored and decides you're friend material and not fb material.
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>>561939241
that doesn't seem to be something that would work for me, since i dont want to take stuff, and hate peer pressure immensely, increasing my people-hating.
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>>561928412

I'm inclined to agree with you OP. I once went 2 weeks without masturbation when travelling & staying in hostels & my sex drive instantly went up (that is, my desire to get laid)

But I never lost my ability to maintain an erection during sex & have regular sex with my girlfriend, although it's more often to her whims than mine. But as I said, no problems with erections
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>>561940115
It may make you look more muscular though, because you lose body fat. Testosterone also increases, so you might become more aggressive in some ways, though I actually find myself to be more level headed now. Just able to be aggressive when it matters.

Modafinil is FAR superior to Ritalin, btw.
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I started the no-fap november thing years ago. I linked a chinese study where on the 7th day of non jacking off, testosterone spiked. The thing is, the increase in testosterone that people wouldn't even feel a difference.

People believed it, ate it up like candy, tried it and swore that they became "alpha" after a week. I convinced thousands of people to give up the one thing that brought them sexual gratification, and trolled them out of it. If anything, this proves that a placebo effect is a powerful thing. The truth is, you just need to get the fuck off your computer and go outside and do something. Hell, sunlight has a greater effect on testosterone than not jacking off. OP, if you think that it's not masturbating that is giving you this newfound confidence, whatever man good for you roll with it, but it's not. It's all in your head.

The trolljob became bigger than I could have ever imagined. Still to this day, people believe it.
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>>561939789
I'm not a nerd. I'm a medfag, you dipshit

Want my opinion about masturbation? On a strictly medical point of view, it's good for the prostate and helps people like this fella >>561932494 who cums too quickly if he has too much cum stored. Masturbations is an important part of growing up, because it gets you to know about your body and how to use it.

Notice that I said MASTURBATION, not PORNOGRAPHY.

Throughout observation, anyone can see that masturbation feeds your desire to have sexual contact, making you stand still on your confort zone. There is a chance to develop depression and social problems if you live inside your comfort zone all the time.
Also, masturbating makes you lose focus on studies and work, that's all I don't need right now.
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My prescription: masturbate twice a month at maximum if you have problems to interact socially. If you're feeling fine masturbating 5 times a week, keep doing it, it's your well-being that counts.
All that matters is making your life being worthy. How can you tell if you're doing everything with your life at your best, if you don't try a new and simple alternative at least once?
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>>561939668

I'm saying that most women aren't relationship material in the first place.

Yeah, both sexes have been hypersexualized and held to sometimes absurd standards of physique, but remember; only men are actually expected to rise to those standards.

Our culture pushes the fat acceptance bullshit 24/7, but of course only for women. Imagine if men started a crusade to shame women who don't like manlet-hambeast-neckbeards...they'd be laughed out of the fuckin building lol.

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You had me until that last paragraph. I think a big part of the problem is that modern society is hypersexualizing and objectifying both genders. Somehow we've all been convinced that the opposite gender is just for sex, and that meaningful relationships with the opposite gender are fruitless beyond fucking one another.

Uh, no. In case you haven't noticed slutting is praised as "self-actualization" and "empowerment" or whatever, while men who get lots of pussy are shamed as misogynist pigs.

Although I admit our corporate overlords benefit from driving a wedge between the sexes; trick women into wasting their prime years sitting in a cubicle lining their company's pockets on weekdays and sucking cock in the bathroom at the club on weekends, when they should be having kids....sounds like a good way to maximize profits.
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>>561931129
>why are you defending it so hard?
because you're attacking masturbation you stupid nigger
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>>561941430
I don't understand how anyone can fap to porn and not see it as a wholly emasculating experience. Some hot chick you want to fuck is not only getting power fucked by some dude with a bigger dick and bigger muscles than you, but you're sitting there all alone with your dick in your hand killing your libido.

If anyone can honestly say they feel good about themselves after a fap, I'd like to speak to them.
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>>561941384

maybe a new fedora or a new e-cig rig drive your confidence to get all the babes in the anime club.

Seriously, do what works for you. All's I'm saying is that jacking off isn't the problem as to why you're too beta to go out and get girls.
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>>561941624

Basically this guy.

Masturbation is your easy pill for enjoyement.
It's yours to judge if you need your cheap pleasure or if you want to hold for something better. I masturbate more or less daily if i can't have sex (gf not living in the same part of town), never had any problems with chicks.
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>>561941328
>the key is to make friends with a girl, and then make your move before she gets bored and decides you're friend material and not fb material.

exactly, i understand that and that what "getting a girl" is all about, i just don't have much of an interest in doing that (i'm not a very social person as i said), and my sex drive isn't strong enough to be a motive by itself. it is getting stronger now without fapping and that is what i am talking about.
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>>561940816
Don't know if it would benefit me since I have a steady relationship. But no harm in experimenting I guess.

Also I did keto years ago when I was a /fit/ mongler. Not that interested in dieting since I achieved my ideal body.
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I haven't been on the internet as much as I was in the past for about 2 years. I sold all of my consoles and just ditched my PC because the internet quality was absolute shit where I moved to. I never fapped more than once a month while there, I was still not getting laid, but then I started gaining popularity among my classmates and then chicks flocked to me. I fucked some dudes girl while high and everyone found out. I was literally ignoring hot chicks begging me to fuck them. I was no more confident than before, but I started working out and eating right and doing my own shit and started fucking constantly and now I've got hot chicks calling me, asking me out and begging to fuck and I'm still ignoring them because of one girl I met a month ago. Best fuck I've had by far, we aren't dating and have no plan at this point but we are going to fuck later tonight. The quality of the nuts I have fucking her compared to anyone else are intense. I fap more now thinking about her than I did in two years when I had no one. Shit doesn't correlate.
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>>561941139
I still fap when feel like it, but it used to be if I was simply bored. Now, I just do it once or twice a week. I dont think it has anything to do with hormones, just mental block. in fact, im pretty sure ive heard sex raises testosterone, which should also mean masturbation. not a doctor but thats what makes sence to me. I do believe my 2 times a day addiction caused a mental block though, a block made worse by the fact I had never had sex b4
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>>561941328
>they want a partner, they want someone who they can trust and who they can spend time with. Basically, they want a boyfriend, which isn't a bad thing, but it's the exact opposite of what a man wants.

Wrong again...modern young women don't want LTR's, and men DO want stable commitment, it's only natural.

Check out this book, What Do Women Want? by Daniel Bergner. Basically Bergner is looking for actual, empirical evidence to support the idea that women are more monogamous by nature and have a more vested interest in sexual fidelity. Guess what? He doesn’t find any.

A popular saying is that women are gatekeepers to sex and men are gatekeepers to commitment. I wish this was an absolute truth, but it’s not. As a collective, women are often gatekeepers to both sex and commitment. If you poll the entire population of men, you may find that they are the initiators of monogamous relationships more often than women. It only makes sense for this to be true: it is way more damaging for a man's woman to sleep with another man and get cuckolded than the other way around. The 0.5% of the population who are skilled players and have more say with commitment don’t put a dent into this common reality. As a sex, men have very little say in determining the relationship dynamic.

The only reason we learned shit like game is because women signaled to us that they just want casual sex. We’re extracting easy sex from women who want easy sex. Rest assured you’re not one-night standing girls who want a baby in the next year. No girl is crying because you didn’t call back after a drunken romp in the hopes you would be her husband. These easy girls prefer the one-night stand and they prefer to be your fuck buddy. Don’t kid yourself into thinking your game or fast sex desire is creating your success; women have placed their preferred options on the table and men are simply reacting in a way that gets them a piece of the pie before it’s all gone.
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Lompi is a faggot
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is fapping to Omegle girls still called Pornography ?
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>>561928412
I'm very horny and don't see my girlfriend every day. The fuck you want me to do, faggot?
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>>561941328
This advice will only get betas to be in more friendzoned relationships, more heartache, and eventually more fapping.
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>>561943209
You have a girl, you don't need the testosterone boost, you're done faggot, go relax.
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>be me
>be 15
>already had dick sucked and eaten a girl out
>pretty fit
>2 other girls want my dick
>plenty more say I'm hot.
>I think that's pretty alpha
Pic related
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>>561941418
I'm already hot headed. Anytime I start working out and testosterone levels rise I get worse. I'm just looking for that right diet you know.
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>>561942271
Cool, just relating my experience. The concern here seems to be whether masturbation is a problem, and I find that on keto I just mostly forget about masturbation.

I don't really view keto as 'dieting' per se, even though I know bodybuilders do use it to cut. No matter what we eat, it's a diet. For me being on keto just makes sense in terms of the physiological and neurological benefits.

I'm in a steady relationship too... and I have found that fucking like a god is of significant benefit. Haha
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>>561939735
so keto is basically like some sort of multivitamin pill?
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>>561942224
I guess my point is that you shouldn't be looking to sex as a motivator to get a girlfriend, because the sex is the smallest part. I like to compare sex/ relationships to a car stereo/car. You don't buy the car the for the radio. The radio is awesome, you will want to listen to it every time you're in the car, but it's not why you bought the car.

It sounds to me like your problem is less about libido and more about a lack of confidence and having a hard time with human interactions in general. Some advice from one awkward fuck to another: stop being so self aware, stop giving a shit about what other people think about. Some people just aren't going to like you (apply this in platonic or romantic situations). Fuck em, they're assholes and not worth your time, find the people that do want to be your friends. Also, be ok being "just friends" with women/girls. The more chicks you hang out with, the more you'll understand that they're really not that complex, they're people just like you. I find all too often that both genders like to take the easy route when explaining their failed human relationships "women are crazy" or "all men are assholes". They're only looking at life from their perspective, when in reality they should be saying "people are crazy" and "all people are assholes". This is especially true for self described beta-males who think there's some "alpha" secret to attracting women. There isn't, the secret is all the beta alpha shit is made up. We're not fucking dogs, our social system is way too fucking complex for that shit, and all it takes to break out of that bullshit is to admit it's not real, and that we're all a bunch of insecure apes wandering aimlessly in through our lives. Some of us are just better at hiding than others.
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>>561928412
That's why I stopped wanking it.
After a 2 weeks of no wanking you flirt like hell without noticing it yourself.

I'm not bad with girls, lost my virginity when I was 14, but after that I started to wank it like a motherfucker and got laid again after 6 years, did kiss a lot of girls in those 6 years though, but i never felt i wanted or needed more.
When I looked back I realized i didn't wank it for 2 weeks and that's why i was trying harder and felt the need to dump my seed into a girl.
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>>561943659
No man, being on keto is eating according to specific macros - high fat, moderate protein, low carb. You'd need to do some research if you are interested. If fundamentally changes the way your body fuels itself, you move from using glucose to using ketone bodies.
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>>561931557
>female species
Uwot now?
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>>561943602
Well keto is the best of all the other diets because of all the delicious meat, but not something I can maintain for a long period of time. Though you get so much natural creatine and testosterone from it, I get why there are major benefits to it.

And yeah I was planning to use modafinil for that reason exactly haha.
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>>561943663

Sex is exactly the reason you seek out a gf. Of all the things we seem to be made to do, fucking and reproducing is above all. If it weren't for that, we'd have literally no desire ot be around each other.

We ARE sex objects. Biology is biology, biomechanics is biomechanics.
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>>561935152
Ahh a good old internet fight.
This brings back memories of back when people weren't too scared to argue online because they hadn't been drained of their zest by porn and plane trail shit
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>>561942940
I think there's a lot of truth to what you're saying, and the biggest part I agree with is that we can't keep making generalizations of sex and gender, because they don't work. I don't know where you're from, or your age bracket (I'm 27), but where I'm at, it seems pretty obvious that a lot women still desire a monogamous relationship over casual sex. Now, if we're talking about that minority group of "smokin hot babes at da club", then yes, youre right, those bitches want to use men for sex and money, and what the fuck do you expect, it's "da club". And fuck those bitches (literally And figuritively) because they're going wake up one day, and they're 35 and they'll realize they wasted their youth being a dumb drunk ho and that they didnt make any meaningful human relationships over the last decade
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>>561928412
im on a 30-day no masturbation, no sex pact with my roommates. we all wagered something dear to us: one roommate is a professional wakeskater, so he gave that up. the other - painting and I gave up playing any kind of music if I broke the vow.

So far, so good. Don't waste yr seed. Keep it. Makes you stronger. Smarter. Wiser. OP's right. jacking off is for children.
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>>561943663

You buy the car to drive it, right? Same thing with getting a gf, you get one to reproduce and, you know, keep the human race alive and shit. If you're gay then you get a same sex partner because fuck it, sex is fun and you can do other shit too.
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>>561944707
Tell that to a feminist, and get spit in the face.
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Probably has some evolutionary benefit, OP. Started out for reproduction, and we discovered masturbation. Those who got benefits from masturbating survived longer. Maybe it gives better sperm.
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>>561928412
Virgins will believe this. I'll still be fapping when my gf isn't around.
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>>561935152
lol your id has whale in it. i wonder what you are
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>>561944796

I'm in MURICA, of course. Where else other than the West will you find women this fucking retarded?

>the biggest part I agree with is that we can't keep making generalizations of sex and gender, because they don't work.

I don't see where I implied that we can't do that. Rather, we CAN and SHOULD make generalizations about men and women, because we are different down to the bone. We've been designed for very different roles and functions. Gender roles are not social constructs, they're born out of innate biological differences.
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>>561943430
mods ban this faggot
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>>561943663
no man, you don't understand, i don't have a problem with interacting with people, i have fine friends, it's just that i don't see people very often cause i don't feel the need to. sometimes even when phone rings my first, unintentional thought is "what the hell you want just go die or smth". same is with girls, i find flirting and relationships and sex and everything enjoyable, but even more overwhelming and exhausting. now that when i stopped fapping, i feel more in need of girls and all and social interaction overall. i guess it's not non-fapping only and that something else might have happened, but non-fapping plays a role for sure
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>>561944707
Sex is a great motivator for people to get together, and you're right, at it's base level it really is biology and our innate desire to mate and reproduce. But we've evolved beyond simple biology, we're so much more complex than that. Relationships aren't just about sex, they're creating an intimate connection with another person that goes beyond just physical attraction. They're about creating your own little personal society where you are an active member with real input and sway.

I said it before, sex is just the glue that holds relationships together. Honestly, The only person I have ever co-habitated with that I didn't want to fucking kill every 2 weeks is my wife, and that's probably because we fuck a couple of times a week, and when she's pissing me off, all I gotta do if boink her and it's like the slate has been wiped clean.
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>>561930847
Yeah I've noticed it too and I like the effect non-fapping has on me. But I always cave after a few weeks.

No wanking combined with a less boring life would be onto a winner I think.
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>>561945217

Meh, only ever dealt with one IRL, and it was a man I know from work. I figured fuck it, I'll give it a go and see if my time on /b/ has prepared me for this shit.

I was calm and articulate, and proved him wrong on literally everything he spouted (pay gap, glass ceiling, rape statistics, etc) and he pretty much conceded defeat on some points, but mostly did a ton of strawmanning and ad hominem bullshit as usual. It was fun to do once, but never again.

tl;dr don't often bother trying to change people's minds on anything, your time is better spent slamming a door on your dick.
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>>561945856
an animal, that's for sure

a lean mean sex machine of the marine
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>>561928412
>asexual
You're confusing asexual with something else
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>>561928928
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>>561928928
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>>561946209
I guess I found your discussion of our inherent belief that women are more likely to be monogamous to be a good example that gender based generalizations are bullshit.

I think that gender roles have their place in our society, but we are constantly changing and evolving, and certain gender roles have become obsolete. And with that in mind, I stand by my claim that we can't just make generalizations about everyone we come into contact with because they are make or female. The truth of the matter is male/female are just one of millions of categories we all place each other in that go hand in hand with a bunch of generalized assumptions. The only generalizations we should be making should be based on the fact that we're all humans and we all have human needs. We all want to feel like we belong, we all want to feel loved, we all want our genitals to feel good and spring forth with their precious fluids.
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>>561946434

>we've evolved beyond simple biology
>evolved beyond biology
>evolved
>beyond
>biology

>mfw

We don't outgrow nature's framework. Maybe when cybernetics and shit are mainstream you can say that.

We are nature. We are biology. We don't bond to fuck; we fuck to bond. That's one of the functions of sex, is to forge an emotional bond, and that's something that promiscuous women (and to a lesser extent promiscuous men) are incapable of, and most women these days are promiscuous.
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>>561948193

>I forgot my face
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>>561944062
I just Googled and found ketogenic diet. Is that the thing?
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>>561943430
>be 15
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>>561946424
It could be that you don't feel good about yourself because you fap, and that when you stop, that self-loathing goes away, thus allowing you to be more self confident.

My example is probably very different than yours, but I was brought up crazy fundamentalist christian, and was taught masturbation was a sin. I remember feeling guilty all the time, and even convincing myself somehow all the other girls at school secretly knew I was masturbating and made fun of me for it. Sometimes, that shit comes back to haunt me. Wonder if something from your past makes you feel guilty about the fap
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>>561948193
We outgrew natures framework 1000 years ago you fucking retard
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>>561948495
yeah thats the thing
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>>561948690
And look how pathetically weak and ADHD-riddled people are becoming. Not to mention fertility rates.

This is the result of removing Darwinism from the equation. Next stage, get outbred by blacks.
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>>561948193
Dude, if we didn't evolve beyond our own instincts and biology, then rape would be WAY more prevalent, and probably more acceptable. When most animals breed, it's essentially rape. Only highly advanced organisms can even comprehend the idea of consensual sex, ie humans. In the end, yes, nature runs it's course and people reproduce, but the very advent of condoms/ contraceptives proves that humans have moved beyond using sex as solely a means to reproduce, and that it has become so much more than that.
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>>561949125
As much as you want them to be, those two facts are not related. I find it hilarious that you think a lard like you would survive in a "World of the fittest"
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Fapping once a day helps me make rational decisions when it comes to the ladies and my dick. You ever think each individual is different instead of trying to force your opinion as the right one?
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>blah blah blah blah I'm a fucking faggot

Go back to r/nofap /pol/ /fit/ /hm/ since they're alll the same thing.

Fucking faggot!
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>>561949736
I wasn't necessarily excluding myself from that definition. They are related though. If you accept that Darwinism got us to where we are, then you must accept that ignoring its principles can take us away from there.
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>>561930537
G8 b8 m8
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>>561928412
I've been wanting to stop fapping for a long time, just couldn't do it. Anytime I'm left alone for a certain amount of time (I have a roommate) I pretty much always fap and then afterwards feel like shit for doing so, because I do it way too much. Thanks for the thread OP, I'm actually going to stop fapping, at least for a while.
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I jerk it because if I don't jizz regularly I will straight up go insane.

3 days without and I'm eyehumping everything. It's at this point I start worrying I could actually rape a girl.

4 days without and I'm super irritable.

5 days without and I straight up, no fucking around, start thinking people are looking at me funny.

So yeah, I jerk to keep out of jail or the loony bin.
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>>561928412
I tried brah, and yes confidence and all of that does go up.

but it's not doable for me longterm. If I dont orgasm, I will just orgasm in my dreams which defeats the purpose.
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>>561949926
STOP IT GUY'S YOU'RE TRIGGERING THIS POOR INNOCENT SNOWFLAKE
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>all of these fucking losers think they are going to become alpha males from test pump

I'll beat the fuck out of all you faggots with my fucking eyes closed!

I don't even need a test pump to do it. Fucking queers.
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>>561948032

>I guess I found your discussion of our inherent belief that women are more likely to be monogamous to be a good example that gender based generalizations are bullshit.

I don't think gender based generalizations are bullshit; I think inaccurate gender based generalizations are bullshit.

>I think that gender roles have their place in our society, but we are constantly changing and evolving

Evolution takes tens-to-hundreds of thousands of years at least to show any changes. The blurring of gender roles/lines in our society is seen in only the past 100 years or so.

>and certain gender roles have become obsolete.

Denial=/=obsoletion

>>561949295
>>561948690

We do not outgrow natures framework, period. We can deny our biology all we want, but what we get for it eventually is a cold hard slap in the fucking face from nature itself for all our pretending and our disregard for the natural, as >>561949125 said.

You can't transcend nature; at best, cultures and civilizations can only fervently /deny/ it, only to pay a steep fine down the line.

>When most animals breed, it's essentially rape. Only highly advanced organisms can even comprehend the idea of consensual sex, ie humans.

There are courting rituals in most mammalian species. The female chooses whose seed she'll allow into her, and she is supposed to choose wisely. Most mammals don't just run up and fuck the female.

I've heard orangutans have been known to rape though, because their females are so hypergamous that they only willingly give sex to a minority of males (sounds a lot like women lol), so the rest of the males have to rape to get their fair share.

Which leaves us to wonder why women often breed with the stupidest most thuggish losers around. Idiocracy is one of my favorite movies, but god damn, it's fast becoming reality.
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>>561928412
even better: Fuck and jerk off, just do NOT cum.
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>>561948385
>I forgot my face
lol'd
>>561948629
nah, where i live ppl are hypocritical about religion, nothing to feel guilty about.

the way i understand it is this: no fapping => im more horny => it's more fun and even exciting to be around a girl => i tend to do it more => richer social life => better social life => getting better at social skills is satisfying => more confidence => wonders start to happen

maybe im shittng like hell, but seems nice
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>>561950835
Shut the fuck shriveled dick.

The only thing that will get triggered is my .45 while I blow out your fucking kneecaps pussy.
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>>561949926
>samefagging this obviously
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>>561950969
>this is actually what people who never finished high school believe
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>>561928412
>I've read some shit on /pol/

stopped reading right there
>nope.jpg
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>>561951056
Translation: I'm a faggot stalker.

I hope you get slapped with a rape charge you fucking loser.
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>>561951065
Damn, you sure sound like a badass motherfucker!
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>>561951169
Uh huh, you must surely be popular with the ladies, get the fuck out of here you pimple faced little shit.
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>>561951419
>I've stopped masturbating, it's done wonders for my love life.
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>>561928412

> stop masturbating
> try to find a gf or bootycall on tinder
> swiped more than hundreds of profiles
> only 4 matches, get deleted before even starting or chat already going nowhere on third message
> delete app
> back2masturbation
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>>561951065
>samefagging even harder
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>>561950069
I agree somehow, in retrospect everything can be explained by Darwinism but try predicting it. You won't get far.
If we fuck to survive, its evolution. If we survive to fuck, that too will be evolution depending on how you present it.
As far as our world now is concerned, morals may differ from before but the underlying Darwinism still prevails. It's the same as it's always been. You fuck because you want to fill your needs, physically and/or spiritually.
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>>561951775
>>>9fag
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>>561928412
Haven't jerked it in 2 weeks and I can't agree more with this post.

Have a phree bUmp
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>>561951680
>mfw you are literally crying about someone's opinions on the internet
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>>561939398
The joke didn't just go over your head, it went into orbit.
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>>561951958
>literally

Jesus Christ, it doesn't surprise me at all a bunch meat-headed thundercocksucking morons who believe in bro science are illiterate enough to not even know what literally means.
Kill yourself!
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>>561951889
Seriously, just kill yourself
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>>561952152
No, how about you you fucking faggot.

All that testosterone's pumping to your brain and now your lashing out in degenerate homosexual behavior! What would your nazi friends on /pol/ think!
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>>561952151
It seems you are the one having difficulties with the word kiddo. You are literally crying.
It's great.
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>>561951952
Also, pic related
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finally someone who shares my thoughts.

the same happens to me when i return from vacations with friends. 5-10 days without jerking off and suddenly i'm pretty alpha. the few times i've actually gotten together with girls are the times when i try to stop fapping.

bumping with not a coward.
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>>561928412
So I today I am a change. I really will try to go for w1 week without cock
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>>561952290
>all this irony
>all the ease
>all this literal crying

Dude, just be a man for once in your life
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>>561951313

Great rebuttal, friend.

Men are men, women are women. There will always be a little overlap between the two in terms of what we're each naturally geared towards doing; there will always a few women smart enough to be physicists and engineers, a few women naturally stronger than an average man, etc.

But by and large, we're different down to the bone. We can talk about swapping gender roles all we want and say that anyone with a more traditional worldview is old and retarded, but you can't wish away hundreds of thousands of years of genetic programming. Good luck trying.
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>>561952590
Sorry meant to say without cock
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>>561928412
I see what you're driving at, and I agree and disagree on some level.

>Sure, jacking off is an instant, simple, free source of self gratification.
>I have also been on trips with family and/or friends and haven't j/o'd for some time and noticed a mental difference.
>I have also masturbated far too much. On top of that, have spent large amounts of time alone and have noticed I felt extremely awkward in public settings. Hated that feel.
>Masturbation/cumming in general IS IN FACT good for your prostate, reducing risks of prostate cancer.

I'm not saying I'll STOP jacking off, but I definetley need to cut down a bunch.

>...Right after I jack off right now.
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>>561928412
paul goddamn it i told you the no fap thing was bullshit now get off 4chan and go get maloney dammit
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>>561952516
It's been fun you autistic little crybaby.
Don't think about your rekt anus for too long
Gotta get it all loose for when dad comes home, little american
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>>561929462
That's retarded, you'll shoot your load in five mins. And as your not jacking off your seamen productive will nose-dive.
Taking a few days off before sex is likely is a good plan, but there's taking it too far
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>>561953104
Here's a toilet you're probably more accustomed to euroshit
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>>561953104
LOL #ragequit

Fucking faggot.
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>ITT:
>>561929775
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>>561950969
>Which leaves us to wonder why women often breed with the stupidest most thuggish losers around
As a woman the optimal strategy that will be selected for by natural selection is the women who got fucked by a big strong man who then leaves because he could fuck anyone he wants and then convincing some foolish weaker man to look after her while she carries the children.

Modern society caters to this in a way that wasn't previously possible (women basically do whatever they want) but it's kind of fucked up because birth control makes it permissible. Sleeping around as much as you like for 35 years of your life with as many men as possible would previously have killed you, bankrupted you and ruined your social standing. Now, it is not only acceptable, but encouraged.
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>>561952392
Scarily accurate.
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>>561948629
>>561951056

and one more thing, as i said i don't really want to stop fapping, it just feels good beeing in need for girls and social life. but if i want to have a need does that mean that i already have it and i just subconsciously suppressed it for some reaon??
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>>561928412
There's a world of a difference between fapping to your sex fantasies and fapping to porn. That's because the act of masturbation isn't the problem itself: the problem is that with porn, you're conditioning yourself to recieve sexual pleasure in certain situation that's impossible to repeat in the real life. Fapping to what's in your head works only when you're horny, but with porn, it's different and severs the link between the sexual urge and gratification.
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>>561954634
but, i most usually choose porns that as close to my fantasies as possible. add to that that many of my fantasies are physically impossible
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>>561954634
glad I stuck around this thread, that was insightful gj
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>>561950969
Notice i said "most animals" not most mammals. Mammals are pretty god damned advanced and complex compared to the other phylum.

Physical evolutions take thousands of years, thought evolution occurs on a daily basis. Social evolution can also occur rapidly. I won't deny that hetero sexual sex exists for the sole purpose of passing our genes on to the next generation, but it has become so much more than that.

I like to analogize a lot, and let's compare reproducing to the need for water. We drink water because we need it to survive. We evolved to make drinking water pleasurable so we would seek it out and do it as much as possible. Fast forward 100,000's years later to Coca Cola. Why do you drink it? Do you drink it to survive? Do you drink it because you need water? No, you drink it because it fucking tastes good and you enjoy it. That's it's.
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going to try to stop fapping for like a week.just to try. wish me luck, /b/ros. ive actually done it before and the more you think about it the harder iit gets, so i just have to stop thinking about it.
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>>561954634
furthermore, for me fapping is possible both with porns and fantasies, horny or not, i can get myself horny in both scenarios
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>>561955518
Really? I used to fap using my imagination when I was younger (I'm old enough that I didn't have the internet to start with) but ever since I've been able to look at videos of fucking, that is what I have done. And now if I try to close my eyes and just think about a woman and masturbate, I can't do it, and I find myself just thinking that I just want to watch a porn. Porn is all I think about. I've never had sex with a woman. When I don't masturbate I get wet dreams of myself, masturbating to porn.
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Why I never whack to porn, only what I can think up.

At least I'm being creative about it, and it's usually with current gf/exes so it's not like I'm basing it purely off of something I've never felt
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>>561953123

>you'll shoot your load in five mins.

who fuckin cares? it will feel amazing, and it'll be a huge load.

>b-but her p-pleasure too, r-right?

again, who cares? He'll just get hard again in 5-10 minutes anyway.

>>561953774

Yes, exactly. Alpha fuck/beta bucks.

What's worse is that many women discard the father figure altogether in favor of tax-funded programs that substitute the beta males. They still get the support of a man, but now it's via the state. The need to actually interact with the man to get his resources is gone.

>birth control makes it permissible
>>561955376

I was going to touch on this earlier, but decided not to bother. Contraceptives absolve women of the responsibility they used to have when choosing who to fuck. Fuck the guy who's hot, fun and charismatic but also a fucking irresponsible loser, and you'll risk having his baby and you'll be ass-out. OR fuck the guy who may not be as exciting or hot, but has decent money and a bright future and is good to you, and you'll have a good, stable future.

Also, as I said, corporations would rather have a woman toiling in an office/cubicle as cheap labor rather than raising kids at home.
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>>561928412
If I go forever without it I can't dance/get really close at parties with girls without getting a bonner
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>>561956412
Yeah, this. And that slightly sweet sweaty smell they give off in situations like that... hnnggggg!
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>>561956631
This is a normal reaction to being adjacent to a fertile woman. It gives you the gumption to go for it, and get her to the bedroom whatever the cost.
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>>561933012
Julian you know I don't have my grade 11 so fuck off
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>>561955907
Dude, you and so many other people in our generation. My advice? Ditch the porn, NOW. It's going to be hell for like 2 months, you're going to be horny and agitated as fuck, but it will be worth it. Porn has replaced sex for you, actually it sounds like it's even worse because you never had sex to begin with.

Try to keep shit in perspective, you got into porn because you wanted sex, so you should be able to get away from porn because you want sex. Sex and porn are very different, and trust me, sex is waaaaaay better.

That's not to say you can't jack off, just no porn. Something that helped me get over the porn jones was anytime I wanted to watch porn, I told myself I had to jack off first, and if I still wanted to watch porn I could. 99/100 times after rubbing one out, I didn't want the porn anymore. For a couple of hours at least.
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>>561955907
>I'm old enough that I didn't have the internet to start with

same here, even though i used to occasionally secretly watch porn on cable after midnight. some got me incredibly horny, some disgusted me so much. but all in all i still have many fantasies on the daily basis and i guess many people would call me a huge pervert if they knew about them, i don't even close my eyes while fapping, lol. porn is good because of direct visual stimuli, but imagination is sort to say a different kind of turn on for me. also i never had a wet dream, even though i had many sexual dreams, especially lucid ones.
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>I've read some shit on /pol/
aaaand thats where i stopped taking you seriously

sage even though this ridiculous thread has well over 100 replies
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>>561957639
scrambled pay per view boobs..... the shame
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>>561930876

I'm like you /b/ro, I fap one day and the next will feel little desire to do it. But the day afterwards, it's like my dick becomes ultra-sensitive and washing in the shower or taking a piss reminds me that "oh shit it's been two days, I'd better fap tonight". I've always had a pretty high libido so that's likely what some of it comes down too... but I wish sometimes I didn't feel the urge so much.
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>>561957278
I've noticed some people give off a more potent sexual smell than others. Men and women.

I can't be around a high stank guy, it seems to be an effective repellant - but I like the women's version.

I don't give off much aroma myself - am I just too beta?
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>>561928412
I masturbate because my fiancee lives 120km from me, so we only see each other on the weekends. Also because I like imagining I'm fucking a different woman without needing to betray her. [She does the same, BTW]
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>>561958550
back then it was all free, some channels get replaced with porn channels from midnight till 5, all the faps you want
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>>561959212
some women see fapping as cheating her with yourself, or virtually cheating her with the girl (or whatever you're fapping at). interesting point i must say, but still bullshit imo.
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>>561928412
Interesting idea for sure and it is not the first time I've heard about it but if I go on vacation for a week or so and can't masturbate I feel so much more aggressive and short-tempered. Like i was becoming a huge douche while also feeling a lot more stressed.
I feel like this could be just like a mental computer addiction though for me, so I'm just going crazy because of that. I should really try to not masturbate for some time while using the computer however I think this might be more or less connected, like masturbating is part of the addiction. Another problem is self control of course too. Just a moment of weakness and a whole week of abstinence was for nothing.
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>>561959993
>i was becoming a huge douche
How did women respond to said douchiness?
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>>561959896
Well, she's "weird" in this case... she doesn't mind at all if I look at porn and say "holy shit, that girl is a goddess!". But she throws a tantrum at the slightly mention of my ex-, even if it has zero to do with sex.
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protip: proven-onlineincome.com
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>>561928412
masturbate because after a few days feel like upper thighs and balls are aching
dont masturbate for weeks and loose urge sex drive altogether, no disire for women no desire to masterbate
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>>561960639
i guess the porn one is seen just as an sex object, and your ex is immediately connected to you feelings and therefor is danger. dunno if this makes sense to you
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>>561961362
It does some sense indeed. Thanks for the insight.
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>>561956283
pls stop spouting pseudo-scientific 'biotruth' bullshit and go back to the redpill
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>>561953123

In my experience, yeah you do ejaculate faster at first, but as you become used to climaxing from intercourse instead of masturbating, you will move back towards your normal times.
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