For all those who think homosexuality is a disease, you shar

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>>559678101
>http://christwire.org/2011/05/power-bottoming-the-most-disturbing-new-trend-in-american-homosexuality/

I fucking love to power bottom

>NEW trend

Well that's an excellent and up to date source of information.

>>559678101
Even a broken clock is right twice a day m8

Homosexuality is a disability. A mental flaw that manifests at birth. Like being a retard or having autism. Its ok, but you cant pretend you are genetically correct.

Most fags are people who couldnt get laid in highschool. They get so frustrated and buy into the "Order your victim complex today for only 10 payments of your dignity!" industry.

>>559678101
Not sure if you're le ebin trolling right now, but christwire is a satirical site.

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>>559678937
>>559680303

power bottoming is incredible and a smart choice for any guy with less than adequate genitals. I got rammed deep by a big black cock the other night and had way more fun than I would have just playing with my dick. any guy who doesn't take a dick up the ass is a faggot and should get with it

>>559680667
they be right nignog

Isn't a power bottom when you have a big burny shit but it only hurts a little bit?

Like when you've been eating tacos and hotdogs all day then you dump a big burny diarrhoea turd down the pan and you only have a little ring sting

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>>559681340
Did the truth hit home hard?

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>>559678101
odd. it describes horrific pain.

but I personally really enjoy a fat cock stroking my tight asshole. :-D

>>559681461

you are cancer

>>559678101

Faggots are mentally ill, but we shouldn't blame them for their illness. It's akin to schizophrenia, autism, or pedophilia. I encourage you people to get treatment. I think they have cognitive behavioral therapy for your kind if you're brave enough to reach out for help. God will forgive you if you try to help yourself.

>>559681651
>feelings get hurt
>"Yo..uoo.u.. ar.r..eee a baa.dd.. person! Daddy... come h....eelp"

>>559678937
br8 b8 m8

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>>559681461

>>559680303
Man, since being on this site I've had on and off "bi-curious" thoughts, then I read this and thought "yup, makes perfect sense" fml

>>559681839

i am hetero, my feelings aren't hurt, you are just caner, all of you who are claming homosexuality to be a mental illness are cancer.

>>559678937
This. I have no problem with gay people but it is, indeed, a disorder. A mental disorder. Animals need to procreate to reproduce. It is a fact of nature. If you are attracted to the same sex, you are broken as per laws of nature because you have no desire to procreate with the opposite sex and therefore continue our species. You contribute nothing to the species. Ergo, broken.

>>559681749


Err excuse me pedophilia is NOT an illness.

Its how the human race procreated for millenia.

cancer

>>559680708
>any guy who doesn't take a dick up the ass is a faggot

Seems like a valid point...

I miss the basement. Now I live with my awesome younger girlfriend and pay bills. Still wish I could play vidya for 35 hours straight.

>>559681991
But it objectively is. If your brain fails to develop properly and you take a sexual attraction to cups or chairs, you are retarded in a way. Same as if you take a sexual attraction to the same sex. A random genetic variation that is a flaw.

>>559679732
>Le grotesque plastic job freakshow

>>559681749
>God will forgive you if you try to help yourself.
You can't be forgiven by something that doesn't exist

>For homosexuals, this means one male inserts his erect phallus between the buttocks of another male and inserts it quite deeply. He will then proceed to pull his member almost all the way out before violently poking it back in again.

Top kek. 100 bucks the writer is a closet faggot.

Still homosexuality is pretty much a mental illness. Like the whole transgender shit aswell.

>>559678101
More gaybo pics please

Ya gaybo bastard

>>559678937
this. I got diabetus type 1, an incurrable auto immune disease. I'm not healthy but it's not bad either. like just dont give a fuck if you're gay but dont pretend to be "normal " because you aren't, the norm is hetero.

>>559682405
Youre right god doesnt exist, but fags are still a group of disgusting fetishists like baby furs and rapists.

>>559682087
litteraly most other species practice homosexuality.
And for those who are strictly homosexual, i can understand why you would see it as a "disorder" but maybe its just natures way of stopping overpopulation or something worse. Who knows? maybe if that fagot had a baby it would grow up to be the next hitler. Let the gays be gay.

>>559682269

but who claimed it to be "genetically wrong" or "a mental illness". your classifcation of this so called "gay-gene" is extremely stupid and white trash

>>559678101
Their even better then the onion.

>>559682128
>procreated via pedophilia
>pedophilia: sexual attraction to a prepubescent child
>prepubescent
>prepubescent
>prepubescent
At least you tried

>>559682636
That "all the other animals are gay too!" bullshit is a myth propagated by the gays.

>>559681839
aww. we luffs you. bend over bish :-DO:-

ITT: Circumcised beasts who got such fucking mad beasts that they started to fuck men.

>>559682669
Its not a "gay-gene" its a chemical imbalance, and as a black man I think its pretty offensive you just assume whites are the only bigots. Ill be ignoring you now because I dont speak to racists. This "white-racist-gene" is extremely stupid and liberal trash.

>>559682531
>I'm attracted to people with the same genitals as me
>FETIShIST
Woooow. Do you think blowjobs and missionary sex are fetishes too?

>>559682636
This pisses me off. This is always the first place pro gays go: "bbb...but other animals practice homosexuality..."
Yeah, and then they still procreate with the opposite sex. Animals like dolphins and monkeys just have homosexual sex for pleasure. They still procreate. If you're a gay human, you aren't going to procreate with the opposite sex. You're flawed and broken.

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Such a beautiful pure act of love

>>559682832
dude. Just encourage homosexuality, that way you can control who's alowed to reproduce. That way the next generation wont be as likely to have this flaw.

>>559682087
>You contribute nothing to the species. Ergo, broken.

I'm pretty sure homosexuals have still been able to take care of and protect members of their community, who will reproduce.

>>559683081
wow what an epin shop ;-)

>>559683202
They cant even take care of or protect themselves, have you not seem them on their fancy floats in the State Sanctioned parades where they decry "oppressiun!, Muh rughts!"

>>559683081
WTF?

>>559683063

>If you're a gay human, you aren't going to procreate with the opposite sex.

Gay humans have been doing this since forever. The problem is that nowadays people consider their sexual orientation to be a defining part of their character, which hasn't always been the case.

>>559682982

good arguments. cancer :) difference between you and me is that i never claimed white trash to be a gene you retard. white trash is a social status. get on my level bro oh wait you ignored me, you will never be on my level

>>559683002
Both rapists and gays and baby furs are savages who cannot control their most primal urges. Animal urges.

>>559683063
And why do you care?

>>559682832
A dog will stick its dick in anything - including a man's ass if you let it. So in a way, yeah they are.

>>559683427

You're obviously retarded if you take that one example and assume every homosexual has done that for all time.

Alexander the Great fucked dudes, man.

>>559683596

this white trash is spreading hate on the internet to manipulate the retarded 4channers to become one of this precious KKK. Grats to anyone who thinks like him in regard to homosexuality, you are not humans in my eyes

>>559683081
Is this how gays get pregnant?

>>559683556
>"i said cancer again lol im moral high road"
You claimed the idea was linked to being white, and poor. The white portion would be a gene.

As the poor white are the poor majority in this country i think thats incredibly bigoted of you to speak ill of them and claim some illfounded superiority to them.

>>559682636
A lot of other species practice otyher deplorable acts. Dolphins and ducks rape; does that mean rape should be condoned? Ducks in particular are also necrophiles. If it's good enough for the animal kingdom, it's fine for us Humans, right? Totally cool to fuck corpses now, instead of rising above base animal behaviors?

>>559678101
Thank you for introducing me to my new favorite site
Truly a gem

>>559683768
>"I tolerate others"
>"these people are not human in my eyes"

Great logic dickface, hitler used the same shit.

>>559678101
Its not a disease it happened out of neccessity, for example caveman 1 and caveman 2 cant find any females in the area and humans are innately bisexual therefore they develop compassion to work together more efficiently, the same has been seen in animals and even abiotic things such as wheat, wheat can be homosexual.
its just the fact that it serves no practical use and therefor is seen as lesser, and whos to say someone is wrong for seeing a couple that is capable of less than another as lesser.

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>>559683063
you like?

stick around and talk dirty with me

>>559683768
>tumblr

>>559683803

Then why is saying "They don't behave naturally and are there for aberrant and deserving of hatred" acceptable? Humans should be beyond letting nature dictate to us what is acceptable practice. Like 10% of our population (and that's being generous) not procreating is no longer a threat for our species' continued survival.

>>559681749
putting pedophilia and homosexuality on the same level as general malfunctions is a little heavy.
I think you're not quite understanding that sexuality and mentality are two different thing.

>God will forgive you
>religion
>religion brainwashes you to have a pre-designed opinion that discards any logic, arguments or observation
opinion discarded.

>>559683081
>>559683439

looks like someone found photoshop

>>559683958
>abiotic things such as wheat
>abiotic
>wheat

encourage homosexuality therefore Controlling who reproduces.
everyone wins.

>>559683768
jump off a cliff one time bitch

>>559683642
I have no problem with gays and I think they should be allowed to marry and fuck and do their thing. But it bothers me that they're like "how is being gay not normal how do you define normal maybe straights aren't normal hurrr hurr"

As far as a species that does not produce asexually goes, being gay is not normal. It isn't. Being straight is normal because it helps the species move forward and grow. "Hurr hurr gays helped procreation for years since it wasn't accepted"
And they probably were disgusted by having sex with the opposite sex. If you don't have an instinctive, animalistic drive to reproduce and further the species, you are, as an animal, flawed.

>"Asian heterosexual females engage in sodomistic intercourse far more often than their white female counterparts."
Asian girls once again confirmed for god-tier

>>559684036
I want him to stand on two step ladders and dangle his balls. Then I'd clamp down on them and dangle there while sucking and chewing his nutsack

Post more gay pics. You fucking fuckers

>>559682087
if every sexual activity that doesn't result in procreation is a mental disorder, then being okay with condoms or the pill is a form of self-hatred and masturbation is a tic, and considering that many people masturbate very often, you could imply that everyone who masturbates has tourette.

>>559678101
It makes me feel good to be on the right side of a debate, POWER BOTTOMS are the only ones who would be BUTTHURT about it.

Current scientific opinion is that homosexuality is a result of something that happens in utero to the fetus, after conception.

There is also evidence that the more children a mother has, the more likely it is that their next child will be homosexual.

So:
A) Its not a nurture or choice issue
B) Its not genetic either

Its something that happens in the mothers womb.

>>559683768
>Grats to anyone who thinks like him in regard to homosexuality, you are not humans in my eyes


This to me is the problem with a lot of these new age groups.

If you deem any group of humans as not human based on their personal choice, lifestyle or opinion then you are no better than they are.
You certainly arent progressing things in the direction of mutual understanding.


It reminds me of an anti fascist protest in my city some years back.
It was the most vicious thuggery ive every witnessed in person. Everything they did was out of the fascist playbook. But they were supposedly against fascists.

They believed they were fighting against fascism by acting like fascists. Just like you are supposedly fighting against bigotry in your post by acting like a bigot.

For a neutral observer like me that behavior doesnt make me warm to your point of view.

You do understand satire...right?

i love how detailed the author of that article is when explaining what the sodomites do in their bedrooms

>>559678101
Wow. That little article made me randy. Here I was getting bored at the thought of power bottoming after all these years. Then, out of nowhere, BOING

>>559678101
>Medically, human sodomy is defined as penetration of the human anus by a foreign object. For homosexuals, this means one male inserts his erect phallus between the buttocks of another male and inserts it quite deeply. He will then proceed to pull his member almost all the way out before violently poking it back in again. This rectal trespass causes indescribable pain.

Goddamn, this Christian article go me hard.

>>559684486
What he wanted to say was AGREE WITH MY TOLERANCE OR I WILL WIPE YOU FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

If he could wipe anything from the face of the earth.

>>559678101
>Power bottoming
>new trend

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tfw you couldn't give a shit about any of this because everyones fucked up in their own special way.

> Don't fuck kids
> Don't hate niggers
> Don't put up with womens bullshit

On the other hand

> Get to play games all day with my boyfriend/bestfriend
> Take breaks to have my arse eaten.
> Never argue

Lifes good.

>>559678937
>>559682087
>>559682525
Great citations and evidence you guys have there

>>559678101
>Satire website

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>>559684873
!!!!!!!!!!!!!! see this one make me think

God hates fags you unamerican Nigger lovers. Go die in a hole. (Sorry, I am not really a retard. I just want to make the Phelps and westboro baptist church trust me so I can murder them in their sleep.)

>>559682539
sauce?

>>559684486

why would i agree with your hate against a group of people that is injustified? it's not flawed what i said. i don't need to respect your hate for another ethnicity or sexuality at all. please please, put down your white-trash logic and pick up a book.

>>559684973
And all your anecdotal evident to the contrary is wonderful too!

>>559685090

why should we respect your hate for another group?

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>>559685008
Traps turn most men BI.

>>559684596
>rectal trespass
band name

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>>559678636
I heard that position is "Convenient for abandoned warehouses" according to christwire.org

>>559684973

What are you going to cite?

They're making the supposition that the purpose of every species is to reproduce. You can agree with that or not.

If you do, then the argument that gays are faulty for not reproducing is a sensible claim. You don't need to point to studies to show that a guy fucking a guy will not end in children.

If you don't, their argument doesn't work anyway.

You don't need citations for every argument you make, you know.

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>>559685090
>i don't need to respect your hate for another ethnicity
> put down your white-trash logic

>>559685227
this one not so much XP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christwire

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>>559685227
I'd rather fuck a real man.

>>559684387
well that is blindly considering a specialty as a malfunction. it's similar to calling Einstein mentally ill due to the fact that he simply had a different mindset.

the human's desire to procreate is not the highest priority of our existance, the best proof for this is that there are heterosexual people who do not desire to procreate, and prefer to succeed as a person in society rather than doing such a stupidly simple thing as sticking your dick into some gal and blowing your load for the sake of making babies.

you can either see people that do not have or follow the basic principles of instincts as beyond instincts, or as broken.

A boat is also a broken car. it has an engine but lacks of wheels. but you can either remain on the claim that it's a broken/malfunctioning car or accept that it's just not a car.

>>559684973
>>559685275
See
>>559684485

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Homo sex is a mental illnes

Psychopathy is a mental illnes but not every psychopath kills because killing is wrong

homosex is advertised as right in the media
and everyone turns in to a butt fucking faggot
In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder

so homosex was a mental disorder but without any evidence in 1973 it was not anymore.

conclusion homosex is a mental illness

heisusa trials

>>559678101
>he is singularly dedicated to this sexual assault
kek

>Lying on one’s back with hind legs in the air
>this posture allows for the deepest form of homosexual penetration
sounds like he is talking from experience

>>559685183

never wanted your respect.

>The end of days will be marked by a shortage of Crisco at your local Wal-Marks. Power Bottoming is a gateway drug to fisting! Ask Ann Coulter!

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>>559685090

>>559684395
Only because their flaps are black and animal-like.

>>559685569

You are a hater.

What makes you any better than any other hater?

>>559685569
Its amazing how hypocritical, pretentious and objectively wrong you are.

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>>559678101

Articles like this are simply a way for conservative christians to indulge themselves in gay fantasies and justify it by saying they are really just learning about it so they can somehow prevent it from happening.

Most christfags are so deep in the closet they're halfway to Narnia.

>>559685737
Its written by a parody site like the onion...

>>559685464
It was defined as a mental illness without any evidence, so therefore it shouldn't be classed as one, fucking idiot.

>>559685647


so we must be on the same boat right? i've only used all the arguments you have. you are basically proving yourself wrong with each reply you make

>>559680303
that's the story of my cousin
he had like 1 gf his whole life, bitch as ugly and fat, but she dumped him
we all think he went full faggot because that was his only way to have some sexual human contact

>>559685834
I never said "Im tolerant you filthy nigger!"

But you said "Dont be a bigot you filthy white!"

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>>559685795
This

>>559685464
>homosex

lmao every time I hear "homosex" I just imagine some withered old grandpa sitting on a porch whittling and talking about his dying breed of ignorance with his grandchildren.

>>559678101
>glutinous maximus

I lol'd.

As well, this article was likely written by a very repressed homosexual. Notice the relish he takes when he goes into extreme detail?

LOL

ITT: REPRESSED POWER BOTTOMS

>>559685834
>>you are basically proving yourself wrong with each reply you make

No, you are.

And what makes it so hilariou, is that you are, as he said:
>>hypocritical, pretentious and objectively wrong
to the point that you can't even perceive how badly you are those things.

Nice ego-shield and self-serving duplicitous morality you got there.

Are you female?

>>559685737
should check out the onion too, it has a lot of other truthful articles for you to analyze

>>559685243
It's the easiest way to meet power tops, just make sure the warehouse is TOTALLY abandoned and through the miracle of gaydar, they'll just miraculously SHOW UP at formerly abandoned warehouse.

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>>559685897
I used to get laid no problem. I usedta have no issues talking chicks into sex on teh basis that I'd rather people would think of me as straight than the nerves required to go through with hitting on someone.

Pussies are fucking wierd man. I'd rather the D.

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>>559685814

and it was also declassified without any evidence
fucking faggot

it was declasified because faggots whined about it

If I had one wish, it would be to watch you kill yourself

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Its just Literally part of nature
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

>>559685795

But there are real articles like this in Christian magazines and newsletters. My mother gets them in print form delivered to her house. You can search if you really want to find them.

It's also the reason they spend so much time talking about teenage sex. They live it vicariously.

>>559685959
I like how the way he describes power bottoms posing as if it is assault.

>Standing against a wall with one’s exposed buttocks swaying out
As if he saw that and he was instantly forced to just engage in that "homo sex" behavior. That guy just stood there, saying nothing, and forced him to walk over and join him.

>>559686329
>"They exist i swear!"

k

>>559678101
>implying performing reproductive actions when it doesn't work with two guys isn't a mental illness
>fagfag
>join the it gets better guy. It got better for him

>>559686267
you're currently pretty much discussing something equal to "unicorns exist, without any evidence!" "unicorns do not exist, because there's no evidence!"

stop being idiots and find legit arguments

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>>559686190
Your solution

>>559686329
>>tries to poopoo on christians for sexual deviancy
>>doesn't realise he/she themselves spend time in the center of sexual deviancy online

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>>559686301
If i had one wish it would be to watch you eat that man ass you've always wanted.

>>559678101
All faggots will die from AIDS

>>559685090
>why would i agree with your hate against a group of people that is injustified? it's not flawed what i said. i don't need to respect your hate for another ethnicity or sexuality at all. please please, put down your white-trash logic and pick up a book.

No it is a completely flawed opinion.
But you are welcome to it and I would defend your right to have and express it.


You said that people who had a particular viewpoint were not human in your view.
But you dont like it when people judge you for having a particular viewpoint.

I wont repeat my example.
But ill repeat the point I was making, which is that its always seems to be these new age left wing groups who feel that they are somehow justified in dehumanize others for their viewpoints. Then they are totally confused and unhappy when someone does the same thing to them.
The last part of your post was an ad-hominem attack which I will disregard.

>>559686605
good to see there are still old-fags performing the sacred duty of end-boss of the internet.

i salute you, sir.

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>>559686495
My solution is what? Wait... I posted a solution?

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>>559686821
You hit on girls, hate pussy but seem to love dick. so i might think you'd love both.

I don't know why people consider reproduction the primary function of a human being, It's senseless, I don't know why people are so obsessed with us needing to behave 'naturally' when we either behave naturally in every action we take, being part of nature, or we run contrary to nature by creating our own environment anyway. If countering 'nature' is a mental illness everybody on 4chan is mentally ill in some way or other because humans do that shit every day in countless ways.

Not reproducing doesn't inhibit somebody's ability to function in day to day life, and homsoexuality doesn't inherently cause anybody suffering (just the reaction to homosexuality). I don't see why it should be classified as a mental illness.

>>559684596
Hell, bro. I came!

>>559685090

>you shouldn't tolerate intolerance

we don't need to tolerate your intolerance of intolerance

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>>559686605
Don't judge my entire group of faggots based on the crappy cryings of a few homos, sir.

You should know that most of us couldn't give a shit what you think, and get on with life knowing we're not living in the 50's any more.

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>>559686403
I'm sure the conservatards in here couldn't resist such dark and licentious temtptation...

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>>559687041
People wanting to fuck what they desire is 'naturally' ;D

>>559687041
See:
>>559684485

>>559687262

You've pointed me to that twice and I don't see what it has to do with my post.

>>559687363
It explains why there are homosexuals.

Scientific estimates place homosexuality at about 2% of a host population.

>>559684486

There has been a movement in the West to demonise people and to characterise their essence as a human being. You see this best in cries of racist or homophobe, bigot etc. It's no longer acts that people are opposed to, but types of people. They have characterised entire swathes of the population, and much of those in the older generation or those who still believe in traditional values, as inherently evil. It's ridiculous.

>>559687512
>>Feminists

>>559685795
Christ, I actually believed this could be a legitimate article.

Hell, it's not far off from one.

>>559687472

Again, I don't see what it has to do with my post, when I'm arguing with people who aren't arguing why there are homosexuals but whether homosexuality is a mental illness.

It's interesting knowledge but it wouldn't change the matter of the debate.

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>>559687025
I aint slept with a chick since I came out of the closet at 18.

I've yet to meet a single person irl who cares what I get up to (And I live in quite a rough estate.) And equally I've yet to meet someone who makes me care what they get up to. Do what you want. Metal sickness or not, I couldn't give a shit. I'd rather this than be a complete redneckbeard, getting unhappy over things that don't affect me.

I just get on with my life, knowing that when I get home I've got some co-op gaming to do with my boyf, and a dick to sit on afterwards. It's all fun and games.

>>559685027

reddit pls go

>>559687041
It reminds me of those people who say they had the sudden relevation that they could steer their car into oncoming traffic and kill themselves. They always say they immediately became afraid that they would actually do it, despite having no desire to kill themselves.

I think the mere presence of gays in the world causes a similar realisation in homophobes. It makes them realize they can CHOOSE to fuck men (or women), and it scares them.

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>>559678101
> The number of white males who are sodomizing Asian females may also account for the large number of white males being sodomized in male-on-male encounters, for there is a strong overlap of white males who date Asian females and white males who pursue homosexual acts. Indeed, ethnographers have not yet classified the white male who is characterized by this dualistic nature– appearing publicly with Asian women and privately being anally raped by groups of Latin or black males. Experience has shown, however, that this growing subset of the American population may pose moral and societal risks for future generations and it is vital that today’s Christians take note of this outrageous trend.

>>559687707

You seem to presume that there are not people from whom the prerogative to reproduce is very strong.

It is ultimately the underlying drive for our species survival, whether it is present in a small subset of individuals who do not experience it, either for genetic, in utero, or nurture reasons.

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>>559678101
>Stephenson Billings is an Investigative Journalist, Motivational Children's Party Entertainer and Antique Soda Bottle Collector all in one special, blessed package! Facebook me here or Fanmail me: [email protected] !

c: akingsbj sound

a king's BJ
shit you not

>>559686267
http://www.behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2011/10/08/homosexuality-the-mental-illness-that-went-away/

>>559685003

The Guys Behind Christwire, Creating Parody From ‘Glenn Beck on Steroids’

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2010/09/christwire.html

Lesbian Activist’s Surprisingly Candid Speech: Gay Marriage Fight Is a ‘Lie’ to Destroy Marriage
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/29/lesbian-activists-surprisingly-candid-speech-gay-marriage-fight-is-a-lie-to-destroy-marriage/

Jewish Lesbian Widow Edith Windsor Revels in Win on Gay Marriage
http://forward.com/articles/179371/jewish-lesbian-widow-edith-windsor-revels-in-win-o/

Biden: Jewish leaders drove gay marriage changes
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/biden-jewish-leaders-drove-gay-marriage-changes

Homosexual Marriage's Jewish Pioneer
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/101628/gay-marriages-jewish-pioneer

Homosexual Activist Masha Gessen Speech for Viral "Gay Marriage is a Lie' and Calls for End to 'Marriage'
http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/gay-activist-masha-gessen-speech-for-viral-gay-marriage-is-a-lie-and-calls-for-end-to-marriage-58250/

Leading Homosexual Activst Frank Kameny Says: "BESTIALITY OK 'as Long as the Animal Doesn't Mind"
http://newsbusters.org/forums/topic-discussion/leading-gay-activst-frank-kameny-says-bestiality-ok-long-animal-doesnt-mind

Jews Should Support Homosexual Marriage
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Jews-should-support-gay-marriage

Jewish Groups Back Obama on Homosexual Marriage
http://forward.com/articles/156055/jewish-groups-back-obama-on-gay-marriage/

Jewish Scouting Leaders Vocal on Homosexual Inclusion
www.jta.org/2013/05/10/news-opinion/united-states/jewish-scouting-leaders-vocal-on-gay-inclusion-2

Masha Gessen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masha_Gessen

Barney Frank
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Frank

Frank Kameny
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Kameny

Harvey Milk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Milk

Why Jews Push Homosexual Marriage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yLbF0BtZs4

Gay Marriage is a Lie: Destruction of Marriage, Masha Gessen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9M0xcs2Vw4

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>>559688529

tldr

>>559687832
You seem to be having fun and all so keep doing what you like.

>>559688962
tl;dr

homosex is good

>>559688414

Regardless, I don't see why the lack of this desire is an impediment to somebody's ability to function or something that causes them suffering. Unless you consider that not satisfying all of our instinctive urges translates to not functioning.

We ignore other urges all the time, and even consider it proper to constrain our reproductive urges, thus why western society generally finds polygamy as deplorable as homosexuality.

>>559682087
As a faggot myself, I agree.

According to nature, it's a disorder. But it doesn't change someones intelligence or how they behave (at least for me and the other normal fags).

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>>559689215
It is! Who knew!

>>559689553
Ew not with him it isnt

>>559684036
nah pussy looks much better

>>559689248
I didn't say that it is an impediment.

I was simply saying that you seem to underestimate that it is however an instinctual urge in the overwhelming majority of the human population.

You are trying to apply the imperative of a small minority of people who either genetically, in utero, or through nurture, are not concerned with reproduction, to the massive majority which is.

Those people also want "more" from life, than just reproduction. Wanting to reproduce does not detract from their other capacities either.

>>559689615
Oh look, a judgy gay! I guess being judged by everyone else in here isn't enough for you.

>>559689836

I'm well aware that the majority of the population has the desire to reproduce.

>>559689986

It's almost like gays don't want to have sex with every single man, this likely comes as a shock to most people.

Homosexuality is technically a disease, because it's something to do with your brain most of the time, and not choice. It just isn't frowned upon as much as other diseases.

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>>559689986
> judgy gay
>for thinking a guy looks unappealing
Does that mean you would enjoy the idea of sex with this landmass. Assuming you are not also a landmass and this would be the only time it would happen.

For all those who are 2retarded, this article is satire.

>>559690065
They have that in ADDITION to the other self-improvement etc imperatives that the small minority of genetic, in utero or nurture individuals who do not have that reproductive urge.

So, what was your original point again?

>>559689986
They can judge all they want. I dont give a fuck.

We're on 4chan. The unwashed butthole of the internet. Nobody here can judge anybody

>>559678101
Does it count as power bottoming if I have my wife fuck me with a strapon?

>>559690308
No, I just saved that picture to my hard drive for the lulz. I'd rather have sex with you. I love guys who bitch about other people. My particular favourite is judgy gays. So fucking awesome.

>>559690852
>>unwashed butthole

you like that, dont you

>>559686312
so are cannibalism, infanticide, child rape and so on
we know that's where you're leading our civilization, degenerate

>>559689368
What about the faggot fags?

>>559690561

You can go read it if you like, it's still there. I still don't see what you're getting at. Are you trying to suggest that, just because they lack that desire to reproduce, that they're disfunctional compared to those that do?

I'm still wondering why lacking the desire to reproduce constitutes as a mental illness, regardless of whether a majority have that desire or not.

Rejection of instinct is something we as humans do all the time and it's oftentimes admired as moral strength. Abstaining from sexual urges for religious reasons has been admired for a long time.

>>559688529
Watch out, the socialist propaganda brigade is here.

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>>559687229
>Don't judge my entire group of faggots based on the crappy cryings of a few homos, sir.

I wouldnt dream of it.

I was mostly addressing that one person and his hypocrisy.
I thought he was a troll to be honest.

>You should know that most of us couldn't give a shit what you think, and get on with life knowing we're not living in the 50's any more.

Glad to hear it.
I dont like it when people give a shit what I think. I struggle to handle the responsibility.

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>>559691016
No I like clean tight pink butthole.

>your dick first penetrates a tight ass
>the pale peachy butt clenching your dick as you push it in
>his head flying back as he lets out a squeal
>his body tensing up and his hands trying to grip the smooth bedsheets
>tfw you have total control over the little bitch and your going to fuck him good

Truly one gif isnt enough

>>559683063
>Implying the world needs more people

>>559682187
The magic of /b/ <3

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>>559691415
>socialist propaganda
anti-socialist and anti-marxist you mean
also anti semitic

>>559691185
>I'm still wondering why lacking the desire to reproduce constitutes as a mental illness, regardless of whether a majority have that desire or not.

Are you aware of what a norm is in clinical medicine?

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>>559691421

>tfw their ass tenses up and you keep going

>>559691748
Antisemitism is a hallmark of socialism, and always has been. Socialism tries to force all people in the same mould in order to make their utopia happen. This shit is socialist.

>>559692016

Is breaking from the norm immediately constituted as a mental illness?

>>559692231
by some faggots, yes, it is. by every rational person, no, it's not.

>>559692030

same thing for heteros though.

except women have 3 holes to fuck, instead of only the 2 you have.

>>559685227
Disgusting. I think I just turned the opposite of BI.

>>559687512

Yeah this is very true.

The foundation of our society, the justice system says that even the worst criminal is still a human being and quite justifiably has certain inalienable rights.

But people will view someone as not human just for having a non politically correct opinion and expressing it.

Its hypocritical because the western ideal of freedom of expression is the reason why gays are generally accepted in the west and not tortured and hung like they do in the middle east where dehumanization of groups of people is an everyday thing.

>>559678101
Christwire has been a confirmed satire for a long time.
If you believe any of it, you're an idiot.

>>559692231

No.

But from a reproductive sense, it is dysfunctional for the species.

From a mental illness sense, its difficult to draw the line between homosexuality and, for example, bestiality or pedophilia.

>>559692317

Which is why I said their. I do like female asses more, though. Guys in general seem way better otherwise.

>>559692424
>>thanks feminism!

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>>559692030
Yeah man.
>dat "Ahhnnnngg!" as you push it in
>that tight asshole clenching your shaft like a death grip as you push deeper
>whispering in their ear "I fucking own you" and they come back for more later

>>559692585
Hmm, if you take a look at the bigger picture though, are all things in nature and life procreative? Get stuck on a single perspective and you'll lose the whole.

>>559678101
I dint have feelings about gays one way or the other, but I'd rather be in a group with thos guys than be lumped with the freak shows I see at pride parades

>>559692585

>But from a reproductive sense, it is dysfunctional for the species.

True to an extent, though homosexualities are still capable of taking care of the community. And when the species is already overpopulated I don't expect it's that big of a problem. Regardless...

>From a mental illness sense, its difficult to draw the line between homosexuality and, for example, bestiality or pedophilia.

I think the problem with the latter two examples is that both can entail more antisocial behavior than homosexuality. Having sex with animals and children lacks consent.

>>559692424
Well, here in Europe the left has pretty much dropped the LGBT community in favour of Islam. So here it's perfectly fine to say all you want about gays. If you're a Muslim.

But that sort of exposes it. The reason they stand up for those criminals, but not for political opponents is simple: They'll use any tool they can find to damage political opponents. They're playing it like a zero sum game.

It's less about them hating your opinions and rights, and more about them just wanting power. Because if their allies hold similar opinions, suddenly it's OK.

>>559692820
>>are all things in nature and life procreative?

No.

But.

Fucking a woman can get her pregnant.

Fucking a horse, pre-pubescent child, or a man in the ass, cannot.

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>>559693250

So?

>>559683427
>implying your sraight neckbeard ass can protect itself any better than a gay weightlifter ass would

>>559692951
>>homosexualities are still capable of taking care of the community

Implying homosexuals take care of ANY community.

Whereas a reproductive couple, does infact contribute the means for the species to continue itself, in a child.

>>both can entail more antisocial behavior than homosexuality
Antisocial behavior is a subjective quantity.

Homosexuality was considered as antisocial as pedophilia, or bestiality, throughout all of modern history.

>>Having sex with animals and children lacks consent.
Not entirely true.

An animal can refuse intercourse, or make lack of consent very clear.

A child, though legally not recognised as at the age of being able to consent, can nonetheless consent to a sexual act.

You are drawing imaginary lines with a rather tenuous basis.

>>559693664

So.

Those three things have that in common, whereas they lack the thing the former has.

>>559693250
Yeah, you said that already.
>But from a reproductive sense, it is dysfunctional for the species.
I'm not sure if I should ask you the question again or rephrase my question. Sex is about much more than just reproduction. It's a social act over anything else, it strengthens your relationship with someone, among other things.

>>559693750
Homosexuality does not make reproduction impossible, they're still just as capable of impregnating women, they just don't prefer it when it comes to sex.

>Homosexuality was considered as antisocial as pedophilia, or bestiality, throughout all of modern history.
Please elaborate.

Also, you need to define what you're looking for with "mental illness" here.

>>559685737
While you failed to recognise satire, you had me lol with that Narnia line. Nice one anon!

>>559693750
Sex with children causes immediate physical harm, you nonce. The same goes for small animals. I doubt anyone really cares about people sticking their dicks in horses and cows. Vets stick their whole arm in there, and the animals don't notice.

That's the clue in the story: Harm. If it causes harm it is immoral. Gay people having consensual sex don't cause harm.

And making the appeal to tradition, and conveniently ignoring that children have never been seen as independent anywhere in history is kind of stupid.

>>559681749
Ignore it you fucking douchecanoes its bait. Jesus.

>>559693750

>Implying homosexuals take care of ANY community.

Oh here we fucking go.

>Whereas a reproductive couple, does infact contribute the means for the species to continue itself, in a child.

This is not the be all end all of existence or contribution to a community, especially as a human being who has already told most standards of 'nature' to go fuck itself. In fact, a child is a parasite for the first few years of its life, and in a modern society, have very little to contribute to a family. Creating a new generation is not the only contribution that can be made to a society. Furthermore, creating more children can be detrimental to society/species when resources are scarce, which is happening with humanity. If all that matters is the species, and having children harms the species, is that not a problem?

>Antisocial behavior is a subjective quantity.

Correct, and consent is a blurry line as well. Regardless, the reason paedophilia is considered unacceptable is because of the belief that it harms the child. Same for bestiality. Neither can give what is legally defined as informed consent. Having consensual sex with another man harms neither.

I'm not attempting to draw any imaginary lines here. I fail to see how homosexuality can be considered a mental illness by modern standards of what a mental illness constitutes. As I said before, if failing to comply or lacking with instinctual desires immediately constitutes mental illness, we're all mentally ill.

>>559678101
>hates homosex
>writes over 1000 words about it
>describes in detail how to practice homosex
thanks for confirming christians are more gay than anyone else

>>559694378
>>Sex is about much more than just reproduction. It's a social act over anything else, it strengthens your relationship with someone, among other things.

Sure.

Which is an argument that can be used by bestiality and pedophilia also.

>Homosexuality was considered as antisocial as pedophilia, or bestiality, throughout all of modern history.
>>Please elaborate.

All three where considered antisocial to the point of being criminal.

>>Also, you need to define what you're looking for with "mental illness" here.
I didn't use the term, you did.

I was referring to them as examples of deviation from a clinical norm.

Homosexuality, pedophilia and bestiality all three share the attributes of a sexual desire towards a subject which cannot reproduce.

>>559694787
What is satire?

>>559682087
As someone who loves da coq, I agree with this. Me and a gay fella had this discussion where he basically described gays as being natures birth control. Oh and he cited some shit I can't really remember.

>>559683768
Homo Jew spotted

>>559681976
Don't worry. The straight /b/tards don't get laid either.

I am becoming more and more curious about submitting to a guy. Being used as his girl. My cock caged and my ass and mouth abused.

I can't help thinking about it. No idea where I'd find someone in the UK. Craigslist isn't big here.

>>559694643
>>Sex with children causes immediate physical harm, you nonce. The same goes for small animals.

You imply penetration as the only sexual act.

Anal penetration as among male homosexuals without preparation also causes physical harm.

>>Harm. If it causes harm it is immoral.
Some people enjoy harm inflicted on them.
Are you saying masochists are somehow "mentally ill" or immoral in a way that homosexuals are not?

>> Gay people having consensual sex don't cause harm.
According to that logic, neither does pedophilia or bestiality with someone/thing that is consensual and causes no harm.

>>conveniently ignoring that children have never been seen as independent anywhere in history
And homosexuals have been perceived as social and moral deviants for the most of history.

>>559694918
>Bestiality
>social act

Are you retarded?

>>559683427
Hahaha top kek

>>559695478
>According to that logic, neither does pedophilia or bestiality with someone/thing that is consensual and causes no harm.

Children can't give informed consent. We can argue all day on where to draw the line with informed consent, and it's a blurry line, but them's the breaks and that's why people consider it immoral. They don't know how to make the decision on whether or not to have sex with you.

Animals is a similar situation, and there's no clear way for an animal to give consent or establish what they want or don't want, it's fuzzier to establish.

Two adults can clearly establish consent.

>>559684486
Yes. Thank you. You are my fucking Jesus.

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I'm gay and I think it's a disease.

Shouldn't stop us from having rights, though.

>>559694694
>>Oh here we fucking go.
Well, they don't, do they. Anymore or any less than the hetero grouping which also reprodices.

You tried to use that as somekind of retrospective evolutionary justification for the existance of homosexuals. It can just as well be argued that it is an unfortunate and negative continuing trait which infacts exhausts and burdens society by introducing non-contributing individuals into it who also do not reproduce.

Basically, that homosexuals are a form of human parasite.

>>If all that matters is the species, and having children harms the species, is that not a problem?
This makes no sense. As I stated above, it is indicated that the more children a mother has, the more likely her next child will be homosexual.

So yes, in that sense, it is harmful that a mother produce that many children, to the point where the next child is essentially a non-reproductive burden. Its not efficient from the mothers perspective, to produce children who do NOT procreate her genes, and who since they are the youngest in the batch, are not even able to help the mother in sustaining the remaining reproductively capable children.

>>Homosexuality(pedophilia/bestiality

The only real difference between these, and what delineates which are accepted by society, is a subjective morality.

Otherwise, there really is no delineation of substance between them, as I already demonstrated on both the points of physical or mental harm, or that of consent.

I don't endorse them, but I also don't pretend as if they wheren't really essentially the same kind of deviance. It just so happens that one of them has now become "accepted", whereas the other two arent.

>>559682539

Sauce?...

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>>559678101
>http://christwire.org/2011/05/power-bottoming-the-most-disturbing-new-trend-in-american-homosexuality/

absolutely disgusting filth... i masturbated twice reading that

>>559694918
If we stick with this narrow train of thought, yes. If, however, we look at it as a whole, take into account all the things sex is, what precedes sex, comes after, everything, it is quite different. Consent, for example. Humans are unable to tell if an animal if willing to have sex with them, most animals follow an instinct that causes them to act like they act. They cannot be viewed to have similar control over their actions as humans and therefore, their messages are impossible to interpret 100% correctly. As with children... Well, since when have children been viewed as having a responsible, clear and original train of thought?
>All three where considered antisocial to the point of being criminal.
What I mean is from when to when? Dates, years, ages.
>I didn't use the term, you did.
Actually, it was that other guy, but sure. However, what comes to the latter part, you are addressing sex purely as a means of reproduction, which is not the whole of what it is.

>>559678101
All faggots will die from AIDS

>>559684873
Those tits made me feel sick.

>>559695969
>>Children can't give informed consent.
That is just a legal specification, and as such, a matter of social subjectivity.

There is no overriding universal or natural law that states "children cannot give informed consent".

Even now, all countries in the world have a different specified age of consent, and those figures have been MUCH lower in previous societies (again demonstrating, its just a matter of social convenience, not universal or natural law).

As to an animal, I'd think lack of consent would be quite aggressively demonstrated.

>>Two adults can clearly establish consent.
As stated above, that is just a matter of how you understand or delineate consent.

There is no natural law that states a child cannot decide consent, nor than an animal cant decide who it wants sex with.

Both of these, however, are still arbitrary to the actual issue as stated above, which is that really, homosexuality, pedophilia and bestiality, are all forms of sexual deviancy from a clinical norm, which have no reproductive purpose or potential.

Infact there is some evidence that the rate of homosexuality, is roughly equal to that of pedophilia AND bestiality, in any given population.

>>559695478
>You imply penetration as the only sexual act.
No, that's what you did when you made it about reproduction. You are also ignoring the fact that it has been proven that child sexual abuse causes lasting mental harm.

>Some people enjoy harm inflicted on them.
Are you saying masochists are somehow "mentally ill" or immoral in a way that homosexuals are not?
Holy shit, way to broaden the definition like goatseman's anus. You know damn well what the word means, so kindly stick to its actual meaning, not shit you invent to fit your argument. Or are you also going to argue that surgeons are deranged serial stabbers?

>According to that logic, neither does pedophilia or bestiality with someone/thing that is consensual and causes no harm.
Having sex with children causes demonstratable harm, whether physical or mental, that they suffer from the rest of their lives. Children can not give consent by the very definition of them being children.

>And homosexuals have been perceived as social and moral deviants for the most of history.
You say this, but you also want to say children can function as adults, which no civilisation in the history of mankind has considered true. You want to have your cake and eat it, too.

And on top of that, this shit isn't even true. What is Ancient Greece? What is the Roman Empire? You use history to argue that hating homo's is some sort of "natural state", but history plainly contradicts that.

>>559696274

Again, all of this seems to be boiling the problem down to "If you reproduce it's fine if you don't reproduce it's a mental illness"

It's oversimplifying the issue. If you want oversimplify it to "Our sole purpose as a species is to reproduce and if you don't you're faulty" than sure. Homosexuality is a mental illness, you're correct.

However, I've tried to establish time and time again that humans can and should categorize them beyond simple instinct and 'nature' as we put it (given that our definitions of what's unnatural is frequently a blurry line as well).

If you consider the matter of consent to be a subjective morality than sure, homosexuality is in a way similar to pedophelia in that neither bring children. Regardless, pedophelia is considered immoral based on subjective reasons developed because we consider it harmful to the child, and as has been said, the same with bestiality. If you want to remove morality from the picture then sure, they're similar on the basis that none give children. I still don't see how else this contributes to the argument. Is masturbation indicative of mental illness, for that reason? Or is that exempt because a majority indulge in it?

>>559696749
When will of be your turn

>>559697081

then sure*

>>559696508
Ive already answered and explained the consent issue.

You are making the same kind of argument that used to be made against homosexuals. That there could be no consent, between what amounted to two mentally ill individuals.

Dates? Years? Ages?
Why do you ask?

How about you give me some dates years ages for all countries on the planet when homosexuality was NOT socially accepted, and was considered immoral, or a mental illness or deviance? Be sure to include every single society, ever, in your list.

>>559684486
>antifascists

I've always wondered how much of a disfunctional, special snowflake you have to be to be claiming to fight against a movement that literally died before the one you're part of was even started.

I've also seen those thugs around. They've all got these very brave anti-Nazi buttons and shit. I've always thought it to be ridiculously arrogant, because Nazism is literally outlawed everywhere you can find antifascists. A starting condition for antifascism seems to be a total lack of actual fucking fascism. Unless you count their own brand, of course.

>>559681976
Hope your still lurking /b/ro. I'm openly gay and that statement you're referring to is total bullshit. I'm sane, well adapted, well groomed and people would never guess that I'm a fag. I'm just indulging my sexual curiosity, without the fear of what others think.

>>559679732
any porn ?

>>559697043
>>You are also ignoring the fact that it has been proven that child sexual abuse causes lasting mental harm.
You are ignoring the fact it does so, because the society in which it happens condemns the act, and therefore it causes lasting harm.

Its not much different than if you buggered a guy in 18th Century England. You caused them lasting harm with the act, because not only was it criminal, but also considered mentally ill.

>>Holy shit, way to broaden the definition like goatseman's anus.
Answer the question.

Are you saying that masochists cannot give consent?
Are you saying that they are mentally ill?

>>Having sex with children causes demonstratable harm, whether physical or mental, that they suffer from the rest of their lives. Children can not give consent by the very definition of them being children.
Answered here:
>>559696976

>>You say this, but you also want to say children can function as adults, which no civilisation in the history of mankind has considered true.
I'm saying that the social acceptance of homosexuals, or the social acceptance of a younger age of consent for children, is just that, simply a matter of social acceptance.

It is arbitrary, and not governed by some universal law. It is what that society in question happens to define it as, at that point in time, and can change in any direction, and back again. As it has demonstrably done now on the issue of homosexuality in the 21st Century.

>>What is Ancient Greece? What is the Roman Empire?
Both of those societies had histories of pederastry and bestiality. So you should be careful which societies you hearken on in your examples.

>>559697081
See:
>>559696274
>>As I stated above, it is indicated that the more children a mother has, the more likely her next child will be homosexual.

So yes, in that sense, it is harmful that a mother produce that many children, to the point where the next child is essentially a non-reproductive burden. Its not efficient from the mothers perspective, to produce children who do NOT procreate her genes, and who since they are the youngest in the batch, are not even able to help the mother in sustaining the remaining reproductively capable children.

>>559684486

>something is flawed or broken when compared to its purpose

Sure, you can say what it WAS intended to be but you cannot call it what it WAS intended. It's like people saying sex isn't dichotomous because of disorders. Just because something got fucked up (and therefore isn't what was intended) doesn't mean you now have more than 2 groups of what was intended.

In short, strictly logically speaking you're either not human or your not accepted, take your pick. When you start all this acceptance bullshit which is purely motivated by political correctness you get bullshit like fat acceptance. It's all equally retarded.

>>559697926

Nah, you're just a mentally impaired faggot.

Go drink pee, sodomite.

>>559678937
>wittgenstein
>turing

if they're considered "genetically incorrect" then too bad not everyone are.

Fucking children gives both the perpetrator and the victim lasting psychological issues. People defending child molestation is just like people pushing fat acceptance.

Two men having fun and exploring a mutual curiousity is nothing but healthy. (Someone pointed out physical harm, even heterosex can harm if overdone)

>>559682087
>nature makes you gay
>you are going against nature

^This is how retarded you are, faggot.

>>559696976
>that first part
If we look at children from a biological standpoint, they have not developed sexual organs mature enough to enjoy sex. While children might be curious, it would be ludicrous to assume them to be consenting of something they have not the means to accomplish. They are children and do not know a thing about it. They do not feel sexual desire as an adult does and so it is impossible for them to "consent" to sex.

As for the age argument... Well, different countries, different cultures define children and adults differently. I'm not participating in the argument about what the legal age for sex should be, I'm only stating what should be obvious from the start.

>that second part
You're still stuck on sex being nothing but a means of reproduction. With your logic, man and a female shouldn't try anal or oral sex because you deem it unproductive.

>>559697549
>You are making the same kind of etc.
No, my argument is that there can be no consent between two individuals that cannot understand each other or themselves even (ie. children)

>Why do you ask?
I'm asking for dates for reference, what it is you mean by "modern history". If that was rhetorical though, look at ancient Greece for example, you'll find that homosexuality was not considered any form of mental illness or in any way immoral. I'm not an expert on ancient cultures and can't really give you comprehensive lists.

>>559698531
If someone is completely secure in his/her own sexuality, they wouldn't feel the need to talk down on other's.

I forgive you anon

>>559698610
In a society which accepted and lowered the age of consent, there would be no harm, and the matter of consent would be determined exactly as it is with a higher age.

Nobody is defending child molestation, just as nobody is defending gays to molest another homosexual either.

What is however interesting, is that basically homosexuality, pedophilia and bestiality share a great deal of qualities and issues between them.

>>559698943
Sorry, didn't want to give the impression that I was implying that someone was defending child molestation.

What qualities and issues are you talking about?

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>>559678101
>christwire

lolnope

>>559698336

I really think we're arguing ourselves in circles over thing surrounding the actual issue we disagree on.

I posit that reproduction isn't the primary purpose of of a human being, and therefore that lacking the desire to reproduce does not by definition make you mentally ill. That's pretty much the only part of the argument I'm interested in. I believe we're beyond irrational individual obsession with reproduction to ensure the continuation of the species, since there's 7 billion of us, 90 to 98% of which will gladly do so anyway. Whether it's 'unnatural' or not is irrelevant to me, because I don't believe humans are constrained to behaving as is natural.

>>559682087

And so bisexuals are.. ?

Christ, you can't even offer an argument without failing big time. What a failure.

>>559698890
I tend to agree on your first part.
But, again, its as arbitrary as where the age of consent is set. (just as its arbitrary whether a society allows consent between two homosexuals).

>>You're still stuck on sex being nothing but a means of reproduction
No.

You are stuck on not perceiving the difference between sex as a reproduction function or not being a reproductive function.

They are two different things, you know?

>>No, my argument is that there can be no consent between two individuals that cannot understand each other or themselves even (ie. children)
A subjective moral delineation. Carries no weight except as an "opinion".

Exactly the same was said about homosexuals when they where perceived to be mentally ill.

>>I'm asking for dates for reference
Ancient Greeks also had sexual relations with children and animals.

>>559678101
this is the reason i don't want to have any kind of religions. there's motherfucking extremists all over. i don't want to take part to this kind of shit because society says so

>>559678101
http://enjoytheviewx.tumblr.com/

>>559689368
Well done, you're literally as bad as a nigger. Niggers call each other nigger, now you've gone to their level by having no self respect and calling yourself a faggot.

Kill yourself.

>>559699261
>>What qualities and issues are you talking about?

All three have no reproductive function. All three have been (or are) considered a result of mental illness. All three are socially unaccepted by a substantial part of most societies.

>>559678101
Faggot.

Wow. You guys seen this?

http://christwire.org/2012/07/lebron-james-and-shane-battier-almost-assuredly-sacrifice-virgin-children-to-ensure-championship-2/

If you wanna fuck a fella
Just go out and fuck a fella
There's a million fucking fellas
you can choose

And if a fella says, "HEY, FELLA!
YOU SHOULD NOT BE FUCKING FELLAS!"
Maybe he should go
and fuck a fella too

Coz the world is full of fellas
who'll try to put you down
All you have to do is hold you head up high
and stand your ground

No reason to retaliate
No reason to depise
Coz he hates himself enough
when he's jerkin off to guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh7W0U65gh8

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>>559698202
>ignoring science because of muh personal opinions
Yeah, I'm done.

>Answer the question.
There is no question to answer. You're pulling the word "harm" far out of context. Like I said, do you consider surgeons mentally ill according to the definition you're trying to force on me? Answer the question, bro.

>More ignoring science because muh opinions
*yawn*

>Both of those societies had histories of pederastry and bestiality. So you should be careful which societies you hearken on in your examples.
Hahahaha, oh God, he doesn't know what pederastry means. Wow. Just wow. Bitcheslaughingatsalad.jpg and everything.

Yeah, you're just trying to excuse a shitty opinion with loads of pseudoscience propped with logical fallacies. I'm out.

>>559699303
I posit that lacking a desire to reproduce is a dysfunction that indicates a substantial deviation from a clinical norm.

Whether that is harmful to the individual, those around them, or the species as a whole, is determined by how the dysfunction manifests itself, and how desperate the reproductive need of society is at that time.

Currently, growth figures are negative in many European countries, which indicates that too many people are not reproducing, and that they are infact a burden on that society, and participating in its extinction.

As I also pointed out, if it is infact so that a mothers body regulates her children to produce homosexuals in utero, possibly due to how many children she has had, or other environmental effects, then as I also stated, that is not advantageous to the mother, or society because:

A) That child will not procreate and pass on the mothers genes, making it a wasted effort

B) That child will be the youngest of her children, and hence completely useless in assisting the mother care for the other children, and infact is an additional burden that detracts from the care of those other reproductively capable children.

>>559691418
on a side note i would sniff the fuck out of those tights and enter straight rape mode

>>559700240

Bestialists and pedophiles think exactly the same way about themselves and their deviance, as you do about yourself, and your deviance.

The really funny thing, is that you don't see the similarity and think you are somehow "better" than them, just because at this particular moment in time, your particular kind of deviance has become "accepted", for now.

>>559700240
>Hahahaha, oh God, he doesn't know what pederastry means. Wow. Just wow. Bitcheslaughingatsalad.jpg and everything.

What the fuck are you talking about?

I've been arguing with him all thread but the Greeks most assuredly engaged in pedastry.

Your whole post just made you look like an ignorant shit and made that guy seem twice as competent by comparison to you.

>>559700510

Pederasty*

>>559678101
>Quoting an Onion-esque rag as legit
Good job, Next you'll tell me all the articles on the Onion are accurate too

>2014
>People giving a shit what other people do in the bedroom


Why do so many people still care about this?

>>559682539
sauce?

>>559700284

Alright, I see where you're coming from. I've got some shit to do so I need to abandon thread, but its been a very enlightening discussion. Thanks for remaining civil, you've definitely given me an interesting perspective on the issue.

>>559701037
Alright bro. Well spoken and likewise.

i got gangbanged by four builder types in a warehouse last month. is this gay?

>>559701507
not if your a pussy.

>>559701658
i've been called worse

>>559680303

Did you ever stop and think that maybe those two things aren't correlated in the way you think they are? Isn't it more likely that you never hear about gays getting laid in high school because they're fucking gay and likely in the closet still?

Nobody just up and decides "Whelp, I'm too beta to be straight, time to turn gay"

>>559699473
If we look on what it's grounded on, nothing, it is arbitary. However, can it really be considered arbitary if the ruling conception of the age/sexuality is so deeply engraved into people's minds that they regard it as truth? I think not. There is no king or god declaring beyond question what is and what is not right.

Sex for making babies and sex for pleasure are two different things, yes. But I made the initial (caricaturic) point so you'd have a chance to see how shallow your argument is. You never explained what is the key issue here, you keep on jumping from societal acceptance to "nature's law".

Many things have been said in the past, like the world being flat, the sun revolving around the earth and schizophrenic people being possessed by demons. What have been the ruling conceptions in the past are rather irrelevant to the topic at hand. Morality can't really be viewed subjectively. It must pass certain "filters" to either be moral or immoral. Sure, there are a lot of grey areas that are open to interpretation, but there are a few key factors that ultimately rule out things as either moral or immoral.

>ancient greeks part
True, but so has every culture ever. If we're arguing social acceptance, that is subjective and arbitary to the culture and the people that live in it. If we're arguing morality, then we have to approach it from a moral standpoint. If we're arguing nature, that's another story entirely. You really need to stop and present a clear point.

>>559701507
anyone wanna hear it?

>>559685154
traps are really dumb because they have a dick

how is that any good you get one less hole


if it is a girl be a girl
if it is a boy be a boy

>>559702249
why did i quote you
i didn't even read that post

>>559702230
yeah

Not a disease, just differences in someone's brain. Same thing goes for trans people, they actually have a brain similar to their preferred gender.

>>559678937
>manifests at birth
Actually, homosexuality is caused by a kind of auto immune response when the foetus is still in the uterus.

>>559702216
50 years ago homosexuality was considered just as immoral, was legally and socially unaccepted.

So yes, it is arbitrary.

50 years from now, it could well be that bestiality is entirely legal.

50 years on from then, maybe the Western age of consent will be lowered as low as 10.

Could also be that 100 years from now, homosexuality is once again considered immoral, unacceptable and a crime.

As I said, arbitrary, and depends simply on the social atmosphere at the time.

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>>559678101
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>>559702625
>greentext engaged
>be me
>be using a gay/bi/ts hookup site for a few months
>meet this married guy
>cock is destroyer of worlds
>he's in building trade but has turned white collar
>once or twice a week me meet after work when everyone has gone from his office/warehouse
>every time he takes me straight to his office
>i suck his dick
>he bends me over the desk or has me lie on it with my legs in the air and rails the shit out of me
>win/win. married guys don't want shit from you, quite the opposite
>phones me as usual one friday
>"hey anon. fancy meeting tomorrow with a few of my friends?"
>my body is ready

>>559703326
why do you want to get fucked, instead of be the one doing the fucking?

>>559703326
u queer fuck wit piece of shit

>>559703326
>turn up outside his work on a sunny saturday afternoon
>waiting
>expecting him to come in his e-class usual, probably accompanied by some golfing buddies or something
>transit van rolls up
>my guy jumps out dressed casually
>three other dudes get out. high vis jackets, dirty jeans. the whole builder works
>awhitnigga
>nervous as fuck
>as usual we go in through the bay door, heading towards the stairs to his office but we don't make it the office
>they all stop by some piled up bags of concrete near the centre of the warehouse
>they're all looking at me
>igotthisshit
>get on my knees in front of my guy, unzip and take that cock all in my mouth


>>559703515
i fuck women and traps. real men, i bend over for