i want one of these sooo bad
dear godd but the cuteness overload
my Buddy, 1 of 3 cats. He is guarding my Star Wars books.
Hang on a minute. Are those first edition star wars action figures on the top top shelf?
No they are the new mission series ones. Here is my main collection. Gonna start my own SW thread in a minute.
Too bad. a "Telescoping Lightsaber" Darth Vader from 1978 costs around $6 000
I have like no... real good cat pics... have a dog.
I miss my 'ole Half-Stach Hitler
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Look at that brutality, she snapped it's neck without mercy for disturbing her sleep.
They are pretty cozy. Pic related , my kitty
he's getting his stink all over to mark his territory.
Do you guys know if there is anyway I can get a cat but not keep him/her in the house? It's just my wife is allergic to cats fuckin a and obviously can't just leave her but money is no option and I would be willing to give as much effort and attention as possible I'm just wondering if it's not even worth it like having a spacious shelter in our patio that is very clean and temperature regulated. I just really love these guys a lot and it makes my day to play with my friends kittens please help
> Have flat in door cat
> Only goes on the balcony if the temperatures are comfy as fuck, otherwise he looks pissed and goes back in
> Never even wants to go outside
> Tfw it's my soulmate
here's some badly edited OC cos I couldn't think what to put on it.
Just a reminder to keep your cats indoors.
They're really bad for the environment, and it decreases their lifespan and life quality.
They don't go outside for the sake of going outside, they go outside to look for stimulation, if you play with them and give them attention they will not care.
Love, someone that cares about cats and the environment.
No the internet just stops liking cats....
And have ten times shittier lives.
Also, it's not 3 times as long, unless you're talking feral cats. Cats that are allowed to go outside can survive just fine for many years. I've had 10+ cats and they all lived above age 10 - some to around age 13. Their qualities of lives far surpassed cats that are never allowed to roam freely.
Their life quality is not influenced by it if you take proper care of your pets, and play/exercise with them.
>Also, it's not 3 times as long, unless you're talking feral cats.
The average lifespan of an indoor/outdoor cat is 5, the average lifespan of an indoor cat is about 12-15, it decreases their lifespan by 2/3
The average lifespan for ferals is roughly 1.
Your anecdotes do not change the average.
Over the course of growing up, We had 5 cats (between 2 and 4 at a time) I live behind a wooded park so we let them go out and even got a cat door. They all lived to be at least 16, but 2 were attacked by dogs and had to go to the vet, one needed metal stitches in his leg. Another was attacked by another cat and got an abscess (infection) and also ended up going to the vet.
They also brought all kinds of animals in through the cat door to play with. Baby rabbits, moles, chipmunks, mice, flying squirrels, small snakes, birds, and even a couple of rats. Most of them were still alive and I can't tell you how many hours I spent trying to catch them to let them go back out in the woods.
tl;dr cats like to go out, but are much safer staying indoors. Lots of people don't leash their dogs, not to mention dickhead people who think hurting cats is fun. (you've seen the cat gore pics on here, so you know what I mean)
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Don't even bother if you're not going to allow the cat into the house. If you keep a pet to be a strictly outside pet, you shorten their lives significantly. Just deal with it.
mine is 18 going on 19 outdoor too, she has cataracts in both eyes and her hip is starting to give, still a badass though
but yeah, anecdotal evidence don't mean shit. it's also better for wildlife to keep your cats indoor.
Their life is always influenced by the average, that your cats were lucky enough to outlive the average doesn't change much.
I can have a toddler race (imagine drooling children running over a busy street with cars) on a busy road, it might go well and no one will get hurt, but that does not make the activity less dangerous on average, which means it's still a bad idea because 1) I don't have to let toddlers race on a busy road, and 2) The toddler don't have to race on a busy road to live healthy lifes.
>They also brought all kinds of animals in through the cat door to play with. Baby rabbits, moles, chipmunks, mice, flying squirrels, small snakes, birds, and even a couple of rats.
You do realize this is really bad for the ecosystem right?
>Most of them were still alive and I can't tell you how many hours I spent trying to catch them to let them go back out in the woods.
Look up catch scratch fever, most small animals die from internal infections and bleedings if they've only been so much as scratched by a cat.
All of those animals you released likely died horrible slow deaths.
Clearly not. Depends what neighbourhood you're in I guess. Had 3 cats during my childhood, all outdoor cats. Two lived beyond 20 years, the other died earlier due to being fat and getting liver problems.
I have friends with an outdoor cat also. Their next door neighbour has a cat too and they get on fine.
Cats don't kill for food, they kill for fun.
Which is part of what makes them such a tremendous pest species, they don't just take what they need, they mindlessly kill everything that moves for fun.
>Also wildlife in cities won't miss a sparrow or two
Have you ever been to Belgium?
There's these signs next to the road, what they quote is:
'Oh it's only one can/cigarette/gum, it won't hurt the environment, it sounds xx million times a year'
Collectively, that mentality does cause a lot of damage.
I'm not advocating letting cats out. I don't have any right now, but if/when I get another one I'll try to keep him indoors. If he is dead set on going out then I'll open up the cat door for him and teach him how to use, just so he doesn't become one of those indoor cats that gets out and then freaks and goes missing.
>All of those animals you released likely died horrible slow deaths.
yeah, I know, but I had to try. Even took a baby bunny to the nature center in the park. Called the next day and they told me it had died.
>You do realize this is really bad for the ecosystem right?
Yeah, cause most people love moles, mice and rats. (although a couple of neighbors weren't thrilled with my cat Spanky, she mostly went after birds)
>Clearly not. Depends what neighbourhood you're in I guess.
It's the average, it's always present, it always influences their lifespan.
When it comes to cats there's really only 3 options.
A) area that has wildlife but no large predators capable of harming your cat.
Then you're introducing large predators to an area that lacks them, this is bad for the environment.
B) area with wildlife, including large predators capable of harming your cat.
Then you're introducing cats to a dangerous environment, not only will they maul wildlife, but they will also get mauled by the wildlife.
C) area without wildlife.
If an area can't support wildlife it cannot support your cat.
Keep in mind, letting them outdoors always brings parasites, diseases, etc, with it, I didn't include these because it goes for every option.
You can just let them outdoors supervised, or leash train them, that doesn't harm anyone.
The problem is letting them outdoors unsupervised, not letting them outdoors, they cannot be trusted with wildlife or their own life, pets are to be cared for and not thrown outside to fend for themselves.
Whether people like those animals is irrelevant, they are part of the ecosystem, they are food for other animals, with your cats killing them they lose their meal, if that happens too much they starve, their population declines, and then you'll get a massive prey animal increase due lack of predatory.
I'm in northern europe, they are a pest anywhere they're introduced without exceptions, the average lifespan does not vary, and it's impossible for them not to do damage to the environment.
Outdoors is the norm here, even though it has been proven many times to be incredibly bad for our ecosystem that is already under a lot of pressure, and if that isn't enough our local PETA like organisations are trying to make it illegal to shoot feral cats which are causing mass distress to our nature reserves and fragile island ecosystems.
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one neighbor did tell us she saw a fox chasing one of my cats out of the woods one morning. Luckily he got away.....only later to be mauled by a german sheppard (he was the one that had to get metal stitches)
also, while we live on a dead end with little traffic, one of the neighbors' cats did wonder up to the main road and get run over.
Regarding parasites etc. we did have to get the house sprayed once a month for fleas and I found more than a couple ticks on them and me, so yea....there's that
Where are your statistics from? This website claims there is no significant difference in lifespan for outdoor or indoor cats, in the UK anyway:
Other sites claim the difference is between 2 and 4 years, not "3x as long".
In what way is a cat not part of the ecosystem, particularly if the average number of cats in a street is roughly steady? Even if some new cats are introduced, I hate all this bullshit about everything having to be the same. Habitats change, different species go through cycles of population growth and decline, get over it.
damn image limit! I wanted to post a pic of a cat on a leash. Most don't like it at all! But still some adapt so it never hurts to try. I had a gf who lived in the city, Washington D.C. like 4 blocks from the White House when she was in college. She had two (obviously) indoor kittens and one day we harnessed them up and walked them down to the closest park thinking they'd love it. WRONG! The poor guys were terrified. So yeah, they remained indoor cats and never had an urge to go outside again.
I should say we carried them down to the park, then let them down in the grass, we didn't try to walk them through city traffic. But yea, they didn't like that adventure one bit.
The options are for cats going outdoors, indoors they suffer far less from parasites and diseases, they mainly catch them outdoors, which is what I mean.
Most research on cats in the UK is extremely biased due to them not wanting to take proper care of their pets, and not wanting to give the average person there a bad name since they all throw them outdoors to fend for themselves.
The average there might be a little higher or a little lower, but being outdoors always influences their lifespan, in every situation.
>they all throw them outdoors to fend for themselves
What are you on about? Outdoor cats are still fed and spend most of their time indoors. They're just ALLOWED to go outside, unlike indoor cats.
Domesticated animals are not part of the ecosystem becasuse they didn't evolve within any ecosystem, they didn't adapt to any species and not a single species adapted to them.
Change happens, it doesn't have to be the same, it's just that this does not work, just like cane toads didn't work in Australia or any of the other retarded ideas they had about introducing animals to their island ecosystem.
When species, instead of falling in line with the rest of the foodchain just crash the complete chain they're considered invasive, invasive pest species, that is what cats are outdoors, nothing is adapted to dealing with them, wildlife does not have a chance against them, they do not just kill sick animals that wouldve died anyway, they kill everything they can catch for fun.
They don't stop when they're full, they don't take weak links like predators adapted to those environments do.
They're figuratively thrown outside to fend for themselves, that they're still fed does not change anything about that, it's letting them make their own decisions.
They are not capable of doing this, it gets them killed, they're not humans, they don't consider that running over a busy road might kill them.
>he options are for cats going outdoors, indoors they suffer far less from parasites and diseases, they mainly catch them outdoors
Yeah, I understood you. The reason we had to get the house sprayed monthly was cause the cats got fleas outdoors.
>Outdoor cats are still fed and spend most of their time indoors
Not always. Especially in rural areas. Lots of redneck-y types get them to kill mice and leave them out year round. Even when the weather is bad and the cat (or dog) would love to come inside.
>Not always. Especially in rural areas. Lots of redneck-y types get them to kill mice and leave them out year round.
We're talking about outdoors cats, you're referring to what can be considered feral.
Ferals don't live very long, but are far more destructive.
Animals can't be trusted with making such decisions, it's only rational not to let them make them.