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>>555896521 You have to be wearing pants for me to tell which pocket you mean.
>>555896605 I don't oppose humanity in the classic sense, but not pure Prometheus, either. I like to think of myself that way, but it is more complicated than that. The whole garden of eden thing being figurative more than literal, I still have been instrumental in spurring mankind forward, and getting them out of the trees. >>555896705 Helps when you are larger than life, for sure.
>>555896783 No take backs. >>555896925 You are already serving me, whether you realize it or not. >>555896998 The resemblance is kind of uncanny - unfortunately I cannot claim the greatness of the likes of David Bowie
>>555897280 >Larger than life Interesting, this supports the idea that you're a middle schooler. Only someone like that would assume the Backstreet Boys song, "Larger than Life" is specifically about them. Very neat.
>>555897549 AIs may or may not happen - the future isn't really set in stone. There is potential, but you will have to stop your social degradation and glorification of stupid before you will get there. If that keeps happening, you will socially self destruct long before that happens.
Encouraging mediocrity is the enemy of progress. Hence why greed doesn't work as well for the lazy.
>>555898202 No one - I am sorry, but he is a fictional character. Unfortunately, when you make a learning engine like the human being, you can't really account totally for what will happen. Though, storytelling as a modification of the use of lies was a particularly proud moment.
>>555898220 Sorry that folks have deluded you into thinking that an ethereal being existing outside your plane of existence would really care about you as an individual. Not really my thing, so you have always been kind of free, really.
>>555899520 Your imagination. A person's mind is their biggest gift and also their greatest weakness. You have developed into something amazingly creative, a powerhouse of storyline spin, and this sometimes reaches into your life in the form of hallucinations.
>>555899859 That would be great, actually, if you mean the term in the classic sense. One of the problems you guys really have to work out if I am to push you to your full potential is how some cultures have forgotten who and what they are through generations of pandering.
>>555900925 See a doctor, perhaps? Eat right? Use your brain, maybe? Dammit Jim, I'm the devil, not a doctor. >>555900939 Hell isn't a place, strictly speaking. The actual concept of hell was a fabrication of the dark mind of the world. In revelation it is really talking about state of living/ being. People always kind of wonder about this, but it presumes the existence of true good and evil, and actual judgment.
>>555902383 The initial version of it had merits, but when it slid into its obsession with ceremony, it took on the same ills that most organized religions reflect. How much do you know about it in general?
Really, theistic anything is a bit of a problem, as people tend to let their egos get in the way of their connection with anything truly divine. You have NO idea how frustrating that can be.
>>555902926 Love is an interesting emotion, not unique to humans. A concept bred of attachment and respect, mutual compatibility and symbiosis. The affection felt in your sense of love is the joy of joining with another. Some would even say that it is pleasure, and when it becomes a consistent state of being in association with another, you label it love.
>>555903290 As stated, more akin to a state of being. In life, depending on how you function with others, you have the potential to live in symbiosis, to grow in knowledge among other things, even from abject torture, learning your own strength. Hell is the opposite - stagnation, irrelevance, displacement, lack of passion.
>>555903518 Everything encompasses a lot. As for nothing, there is not really such thing. There is concepts of zero, and there are states where there is nothing of specific things - an absence of things, locally, but physics has it right in that sense. Matter can't be created or destroyed, it just kind of is. >>555903686 No shit, sherlock.
>>555903961 Not in the conventional sense. There is the possibility that I will fade out, in a sense, but mortality is kind of a vague concept in my state of being. I exist more as a force that can be made corporeal if need be, a disembodied mind or consciousness that can substantiate, or interact if desired.
As for being part of you, I would say yes, but that is kind of a weak way of describing the relationship. All energy is technically connected, and you are just a bundle of energy that has learned its own name, same as me. The functionality is the same in a sense, but the method differs.
>>555905104 They see you trollin, they hatin... but I will bite. In the first comment, perhaps you need to stage your questions better. As to duality, if you think only in terms of a single coin toss I can see how you would see things that way. It is common among your kind, at this stage. You seem to have labeled me, as your brethren, as a simple opposing force to your idea of the good spirit - not really valid. As to matter vs energy, when you really understand the concepts, one is just a representation of the other. If I take a table apart, do the atoms cease to exist? No, it still constitutes the makeup of a table. So to with matter and energy. >>555905125 You think words are binding? Humanity is full of such wondrous intricacy, and their self centered nature has them assuming that a. they matter and b. that everyone is limited in the same way they are.
Also, destroying me isn't really an option - trust me, I tried.
>>555905131 You are all attention whores, being human. It is part of your makeup, kind of. Perhaps social programming would be better, as the implications of attention whore go a bit farther than conventional attention seeking... But I digress - she doesn't really believe in me. But then, no one really and truly believes in an ethereal plane in general.
>>555906231 Well, since I can't destroy you.....let's go with you're my personal slave for eternity. We'll work out the other wishes later, which of course are now infinite. And if they're not i'll just put you to work like a common call girl, harvesting souls for my personal gain.
>>555905423 This comes down to people's tendency to think in terms of either or. Existence is really more like a spectrum from pain to pleasure, though even that is a vast oversimplification.
It would be easiest to say that you would not be where you are today, as a species without me, but that the term 'bedeviling' is quite apt. Your best friend and worst enemy in a sense. But certainly not evil in the sense that humanity means it. It doesn't really exist.
>>555905838 My tryst was actually with Gabriel, believe it or not. For many reasons none of those things are really possible - my situation is complicated in a certain sense. Let us just say that I am aptly named as the great deceiver. >>555906021 Kind of cruel and pointless, also, no cats or socks on this demon.
>>555906491 Actually the concepts of heaven and hell aren't really accurate to begin with. It was more a musing as to why you might think that Tupac would be destined for hell if such a thing existed. >>555906767 I am all about free expression and exploration of everything, which churches in general are kind of in conflict with. The church of 'me' as you quaintly put it, if you are speaking of LaVey's version, had a good beginning, simple tenets, and an objective of screwing with the catholics, but went down the same path as I mentioned earlier. If you mean garden variety 'devil worshippers'... well... they are chaos, which isn't really my thing. They do serve their purpose from time to time, though.
>>555907408 I am more saying that the distinction, considering the relationship between the two, is moot when you consider it at a universal level.
Everything is made up of energy, shifting in its form and purpose, back and forth between connected energy and free energy. I thought that answer was fairly clear, but I guess some need things stated with more pedantic detail than others. As for nothing, the answer was fairly clear as well - which begs the questions of why you bothered asking and why you were disatisfied with the answer.
Did you actually ask about what God and the Devil are? As clear as I can make it for a finite (or at least more finite, as I have not lived forever yet) being is that God is the presentation of the central (debatable original) consciousness of the universe. I would be the first (supposedly) consciousness to be separated from the whole.
>>555907631 Generally true - isn't that one of the rules of the internet? >>555907669 Feminism at its core was a force for raised awareness and consciousness and eventually more rapid progress, but has deteriorated considerably. More players means faster change, more creativity if used correctly. Unfortunately it has been (not in all cases, but in too many) overtaken by the glorification of stupid and mediocre that I so despise, looking to, instead of breeding equality and stronger structures, glorify the weak, and put the onus on everyone else to ensure that one sector of society lives in vapid blissful anger and self righteousness. >>555907786 Technically there is only one name for Satan, as Satan is a selective term for a greater concept that you don't quite seem to comprehend. >>555907806 This is true, but not reflected in the picture - it is a common practice, though not with socks, with horse racing among other things. Still, I have no cats. >>555907954 Read up above - not how it works, in the Lorax kind of way. >>555907986 Depends on what you mean by the end of the world - do you mean humanity's downfall, or the earth's destruction? Either way, it depends. Free will means that you can't really put the future under your thumb, just consider possibilities based on trend analysis. >>555908125 Intriguing, but unrealistic for reasons no one but the father and I really know. Your sense of love, as I have experienced when corporeal, really does not encompass the ecstasy of communion with the center.
>>555908692 Possessions are mental illness, demons don't exist in the conventional sense, nor does evil - see above for more info. Also, illuminati? Sorry to disappoint... >>555909197 Depends on what you mean by daddy issues, I suppose. The conventional version of daddy issues you are likely invoking isn't really descriptive here.
>>555909709 I have been puzzling over that myself - I am concerned about the decline since the wall came down, and the death of the renaissance of thought. Perhaps there are too many people.
The unfortunate result of a being that has survived by intelligence no longer needing to do physical things, by and large, has them focusing on the insignificant, the superficial. The social aspect is confounding as well, as superficial displays are reinforced and sought out by rank amateurs to create a situation that is almost untenable.
>>555909786 What makes you think I want you to believe in me...? >>555909986 Can't the devil be lonely? A bit of sympathy for the devil, perhaps... >>555910036 You are a bit late to the conversation - read a bit through the thread, we have already had this conversation.
>>555910806 Depends on what you mean by seeing, but no, I don't know the future. Neither does God, actually. With free will there is only possibility. Apparently He can see all of the possible outcomes when he wants to, kind of like how you can often times remember a route when you think it through.
>>555911008 Angels do have free will. All conscious things do. How hard would it be to think without free will? You would have to be directed to have every thought, pushed to make every movement. Free will isn't as simple as 'you have to do what I say'.
>>555910059 what do you think gods intentions are and why do you despise him so? And don't slither around the question with generalizations and abstract definitions like you've been doing this whole thread.
Is there a particular reason a general awareness of you and those related to you exists? The general mythos you are representing is, at its face, Abrahamic in origin. Is there a reason for that, or do you simply find the metaphors those religions use in respect to higher beings to be the most convenient?
>>555911214 I have a thing - really sorry. My role in the universe DOES take up a lot of time. >>555911290 It is hard to describe. Really difficult to fight against the ones you love, but when you consider what was at stake? Did you really want to end up as nothing more than angelic play things? But there were some very intriguing moments... keep in mind, Angels can't really die in the conventional sense, so warfare on that plane isn't really violence based. Almost more like Jenga, unfortunately.
>>555912010 Ok, done. Satan, give this man 20000 dollars, no strings, but I get five years of his life. Do it now bitch or I"m going to sic the angels on you for a booty blasting. And hurry up and service me sexually in the form of various porn stars for fuck's sake you're like the worst supernatural sex slave I've ever taken.
>>555911613 Intentions? To see how it all pans out, of course. Why do you set up dominos if not to see how they end up falling. It is complicated to understand, but I don't despise him at all. It would be hard to do that, but you would have to meet him to understand that part, and understand exactly what happened way back when. What if I told you that the whole thing was a fabrication? The enmity between the two of us, that it was to a purpose? That to meet your full potential, you needed some idealized opposition that would drive you to greatness through competition? The whole system is based on that. >>555911686 You would see me, in a sense, but not in hell, as hell doesn't exist. The afterlife isn't really what you think it is. Your consciousness kind of remains, but dips in and out of god's, and even in and out of life again. >>555911840 Yeah, I kind of figured. My point is more that I don't have the daddy issues you think I do - see above. >>555911925 Actually, the conception of me as antagonist predates the abrahamic faiths. Their imagery is nothing new, and is consistent in part with that which preceded it. Still inaccurate in a lot of senses, but as you say it is useful at times. As to why you have awareness of me, it is because we do indeed dabble in your affairs and you are actually connected to us and feel that connection, in a way. Even the animals do, though not in a really conscious way. >>555911985 Work hard, harder than you have every worked in all of your life. Also, good choice, as biosciences are definitely going to be a hot topic if my estimation of the trends is accurate (and it generally is).
>>555912786 Because I make sense - granted, you would have to read it to get that. And making sense isn't really a hallmark for reality, just internal consistency, which is a flawed argument.
So you actually have no reason to believe anything I say, unless you do. >>555913157 None - welcome to the thread, but we already covered this in a sense - there is no Hell in the way you mean it. There are concepts of existence that can make your life hell in the colloquial sense, but no hell. No hell means no princes of Hell.
>>555913630 Good question - there is no Hell for me to watch over. The easiest way to describe it is that I influence. I intervene. I stir up conflict, I encourage lying. I push for divergence from natural instincts, and for people to strive for greatness, to compete in all things. Love, war, politics, debate, you name it. And to think it all started out with a simple deal I made with God to play a role. >>555913703 A lot of those things, I guess. Not spreading diseases - not my part ship, and you folks do fine on your own in that regard. It all ends up being kind of matrixesque, with me as the architect, to be honest. Things don't get interesting without suffering, challenge, and triumph.
>>555904579 >>555909303 Similar question to some of these, I doubt there will be something like a christian apocalypse, but you described yourself as a force of nature sort of that can take form, are there others like that? Are there potential manifestations of War Famine Conquest and Death? Will they have a part in the apocalypse? Was Conquest usurped by Pestilence? Do you play poker with them on saturdays?
>>555914191 The idea was that you would mimic the struggle between good and evil as a stepping stone to realize that true greatness comes at a price, and that the complex rules of this plane of existence have so many intriguing offramps. Unfortunately primitive minds are still stuck on the coles notes version of the torah, and completely missed the point of the new testament inspirations... don't really want to comment on Islam... >>555914258 Quite possible, actually, that I am rationalizing this. The trick is that I am actually, secretly, doing exactly as God wished and designed. It wouldn't have worked if people new it was a farce. Now no one would believe it was.
I have a theory about you, can you tell me this is true?
Did you mean to give eve the apple in order to further the human race? I imagine that god forbade the apple because it gave humans the ability to sin. Now sin isn't a bad thing when kept in control by a perfect being such as god, but greed becomes unbalanced in humans setting them towards a path of self indulgence where they cause harm to themselves and others.
To explain further I believe that sin is what makes humans... well human (the good an bad). Before the apple we were subservient morons who had no ambition to do anything and were absolutely provided for (ignorance is bliss).
I also don't look at greed as it's own individual sin, but the measuring stick for all other sins. It's basically all our wants and not our needs. People may argue with points like "well you NEED to eat in order to survive," but in reality you don't NEED to survive (as was the case in the garden when god provided everything) you WANT to survive. This also goes in tandem with the other sins because of your greed wanting you to survive in order to fulfill those sins. This is the prime example that sins cannot always be accounted for separately but are combined in an infinite ways to comprise who we are.
When greed is kept in check (such is the case with god) it allows us to work with each other to create great things, but when out of control causes destruction (as is the partial case with humans). For example: A man wants to procreate and further the human race, but then becomes to lustful and sets back human kind by creating children that he can't take care of and/or causes various other emotional and physical problems for his partner/s. or A man stands for his opinion to be herd but then begins forcing it upon people while ignoring others (wrath).
Both show examples show the healthy and unhealthy sides of sin and that we as humans have shown being incapable of fully controlling the greed that drives them.
>>555914313 Don't have one, as I am not corporeal. When I transubstantiate I can make it as big as I want, I suppose. >>555914397 They are an imposition, but not insurmountable. But again, your conception of free will is too simple. You are indeed shaped by all of those experiences, but if you read a bit more into brain plasticity, you will see why this really isn't true. >>555914431 See the previously answered penis question. >>555914592 Poker would be a nice distraction. Realistically, there are other consciousnesses at play, but not of that variety. Like me, and with my ends in mind, they influence things, they push things, they whisper things, but the choices are still all yours. No apocalypse seems to be brewing, either. In fact, more along the lines of Huxley's Brave new world seems to be happening, lamentably. >>555914937 Not sure if I understand the question, tbh.
>>555915434 I think you wanted the good side of greed to make humans worth something but God knew that human's were incapable of controlling greed and didn't allow it. Then in an act of defiance that cast you out of Eden you tricked the essentially retarded Eve into eating the apple which angered god as he cast you out to Hell. Being a place of innocence Adam and Eve were forced out also for they were tainted by their inability to control sin as God could.
>>555913885 Interesting conversation. I think some reading this are missing the opportunity to glean information that is actually valuable from you though. There seems to be too much focus on delineating who you are and what you could do for them (generally as an attempt to prove you as a fraud). Realistically, whether or not you are the being you claim to be is irrelevant. If you were truthfully Satan but had nothing insightful to offer, your input wouldn't be worth the time. If you were not Satan, but what you had to say was thought provoking and structured in such a way as to be from the perspective of Satan, then I could confidently say I'm thankful for the experience.
So, onto my question: If you were to put to pen a single story that was to be made widely accessible to humans, what would it be?
>>555915147 Not sure that you really get the reference - Non Serviam really sums it up, but perhaps you will not understand that either. >>555915167 Again, in Lorax style, I could, but it doesn't work that way. >>555915308 You are being compelled by mythology. Though I actually was Jesus, interestingly enough. But then, you still seem to still think in terms of duality. >>555915313 None - they all have interesting ideas, but a lot of stupid crap that will get you killed. >>555915434 Eve and the Apple is true in a figurative sense, in that I encouraged conflict and exploration, even cooperation, to alter humanity's path from the natural. Sin is a bit of a useless construct as it assumes that there is a judge and executioner, and that bad deeds can cling to you like the stench of roadkill. That is silliness. Before the 'apple' you were animals that exhibited potential, and were the latest incarnation of consciousness separating from the void. This has happened before, and fell back like the waves of the ocean... butt hen we asked what if... and played. I think you would be best to explore moral relativism, as you sound like you are on the right track from a philosophical perspective, as good and bad, need and want, are simple fabrications based on the subjective human experience. >>555915582 He is also appealing to his own version of dogma as though it were fact. >>555915631 Not exactly - if you are working on a school project with someone, and agree to a certain way of going forward, are you a machine or an active participant? Sorry if the reference makes you feel like you aren't a special snowflake.
How does it feel to be nothing compared to god, a being that created you merely for amusement, who was in turn likely created for some higher beings entertainment? How is it having frozen balls for all eternity?
>>555895576 I had a dream (it was the realest thing I've ever felt) I went to Hell... For the sin of Anger. Dante wasn't far off, devil. He got some things wrong but, for the most part, it was accurate as far as setting goes.
QUESTIONS: Did God send me that "dream" to show me where I was going if I didn't improve? What do you think about trans people? You have so many names. Beelzebub, Lucifer, Mephisto, Devil. What is your preferred name?
>>555915897 It is an interesting song, and demonstrates a point about human potential and the indomitability of the human spirit, but is mere folk tale. As for furries and bronies, I can't take credit. But it is important to recognize that all of this is relative - why do you find them abhorrent? >>555916031 Some humans are unwilling to exert self control. But from our level, you have to recognize that the average is quite impressive. Think of humanity as a whole and consider the wonder that greed has wrought? Also, perhaps lurk moar - as mentioned above, Eve is allegory, and I didn't really get cast out, though I did bait a potential 'christ-fag' as you would put it earlier on. >>555916089 Dante's inferno is an interesting read. Human creativity is amazing. In a sense, spun out of nothing, there is no telling what kind of reality will find itself being created in people's minds. >>555916320 People all start at different levels, and some don't take this kind of philosophizing seriously to begin with. Also, it is in my best interest for most of them to disbelieve completely. Your question intrigues me, because I really would want to tell the history, as odd as that might sound. Almost Anne Rice in style, too - an interview with the devil. There is a lot people don't know, and are closed off from by sticking to their contradictory dogmas. Plus, you couldn't make up the kind of plot twists I have seen. Drama is not just a human thing. >>555916506 In a manner of speaking - think of it in terms of buddhist enlightenment, because that concept comes close, though some take the idea far too literally. The higher plane is actually awareness, which opens up worlds of possibility. Think of the racist who finally recognizes that they have no logical reason to think the other race inferior, and the changes that occur? Or the person who travels abroad for the first time? >>555916541 Hi James - though you will likely lie about it.
>>555915918 Fair point on Brave New World. That's interesting, though, you said you really like how lying was turned into storytelling, and with the references and vocabulary you have you're pretty well read. What's your favorite story, or collection?
>>555917549 Well I already agreed with you in a sense that sin isn't a bad thing necessarily, just that we are incapable of controlling our sin too our benefit. That we build our selves up using sin but then tear ourselves down with it also. I think sin is our ambitions with greed being the driving force weather they ore constructive or de-constructive.
Now that also brings up a question what is actually considered constructive? We have our own take on what is constructive, but as you said that's all subjective. Can't really answer that ourselves though seeing how our view on everything is all subjective. For all we know our survival could somehow be destroying everything in the universe.
>>555917748 That is the part of the story I am surprised more people don't clue in on, though he told me they wouldn't. How could I really and truly rebel against a higher power that I truly new was a higher power of that magnitude? As to the rest, sorry, don't really like feeding troll comments. >>555917796 God didn't send you that dream. Your mind concocted it, sorry. Also, as above, no hell bucko. Trans people are free to their choices, though they are deluding themselves. They aren't truly changing their gender, they are merely choosing to present themselves differently. This is fine, but they need to understand how irrational it is to get angry when someone calls them by the pronoun they seem to ascribe to, or seek to stick with the conventional terms. Labels only have the power you give them. But this includes gender - you are born male or female, or hermaphroditic to what ever level. As such, trans is a fabrication buried in words and social norms. Why is it male to have short hair? Why is it female to have long? The same applies to all other social norms. As to names - I am not sure why but the flow of Mephistopheles has always been quite pleasant. >>555917959 Yes - as stated, it is a bit complicated. When you fight with your lover, do you hate them? When you quarrel with your friends, do you cease to love? This is a weakness of humanity. >>555918789 Indeed - my favorite pastime.
>>555919136 because of extremism mainly. they outcast themselves from society by their actions. I don't see the point of obsessing over a tv show or dumb fad like that to the point where you change your entire personality around it.
>>555919227 I am all about order, in a sense, but perhaps not the conventional sense. I like systems, and watching the creativity that breeds from that focus. I have many names, really, that is only one. How do you define chaos? Simply disorder? Is this bad? >>555919406 For a moment there I thought you were referencing the Nephilim. Interesting perspective, but no. Adam and Eve never existed in the literal sense. >>555919692 That would be hard to narrow down - not to go all 'hipster' on you, but you have probably never heard of them. Some of the old religions got very creative - I have been told that if I ever read Game of Thrones, however, that it will give the old collections of Alexandria a run for their money. >>555920058 But you are capable of controlling it, that is the beauty of it. There was talk about reaching higher levels of awareness in this sense - as you do, you gain control over such things. Consider tantric sex, and the idea of prolonging the ecstasy of orgasm - you would be surprised how much you can control the uncontrollable when you have the open mind and action to attempt it. Also, seriously look into brain plasticity and the capacity of people for change in general. Constructive - intriguing question, but any definition of this is subjective. We consider it in terms of perpetuation and knowledge gain. In certain ways, the scientist and the olympian are on par, even the stripper and prostitute depending on their skill. But then, you still have a negative slant on sin - things are not good or bad, they simply are. Stick with thinking in terms of what things support the goal you have determined. >>555920243 Some would say a woman's period, others would say being a vampire, I would say neither and nothing.
>>555920390 I was just going by Dante Alighieri's inferno, where you would be waist deep in a lake of ice in the ninth circle of hell for your treachery against god, although considering the first part of my comment that might be stupid to assume. And the end of the first part is just relating to god paying specific attention to humans, where a more powerful god would be governing him and other gods that played patron for certain races. Otherwise we were probably made by an angel, and god is god of this universe, where others are governed by other gods which are probably all controlled by one. Maybe it goes further, maybe it's a thick layer of bullshit that covers everything.
>>555920565 Technically even a dictator cannot take away your free will. I can force you to do many things, but make choices is not one of them. Think of a man in a torture chamber, having his skin flayed off until he answers a simple question. He has choice, but it is influenced/ impacted by that same right of others in their cosmic chess game. I have dabbled in tricks of the mind before, but the complexity of action is time consuming, and defeats my overall purpose as I see it, so the easy answer is really able in a sense, but not willing. >>555920948 But that is choice for you - does the villain think itself evil, or justified?
In Faust, you were depicted almost as a joke; a slick, limited, gay, dandy.
What do you think of that story and your depiction in it? Also, what happens after we die then? What is the best way you would describe yourself? I often find myself conflicting with the dualities of life. I want to do everything. Experience everything. Male/female. Hero/scum. Commander/servant. Designer/implementer. I know these examples have deteriorated from opposites but it is impossible to be everything. I feel like I am drowning in contradiction and uncertainty. Such is life? What is your opinion on this? What should I do? And, should I even listen to your advice and view point?
>>555922185 As in the substance, or the music? Both are useful in their places, but it depends on the artist, really. >>555922347 Philosophically, there is nothing barring the idea of other gods, other levels, but I have seen no evidence of such phenomenon, just the system as it stands, and its fluctuation of energy. Bullshit is fairly common in all ideologies - but it can be extremely entertaining, and useful in controlling people. The ideal would be for humanity to transcend those controls, but you are far from getting there at this point, it seems.
>>555922949 We got a lot of time to do it, and besides; when you say humanity can't do something, it's exactly what we go do. Hope you have fun with everything, that's really all that counts. Give Hitler my regards.
>>555922456 In a sense, Faust was very true to life, exhibiting my lack of ultimate control, but being still powerful in a sense. Though I am confused by how people adhere to homosexual as a pejorative. Either way, I admire human creativity, and the Faust legend was a good example. Also... how can a name be pretentious? After you die your corporeal self rots, but the energy interaction remains, with your consciousness changing, but still maintaining some semblance of you. You sort of rejoin the pool of consciousness, glide in and out of God's consciousness, in and out of other lives. As for my self description, you will have to read through the various comments already made to get a feel for that - not an easy question to answer, as it encompasses a lot, and a long existence. Cheers to experience, as well - this hunger will serve you well, but you need to transcend the petty ideas and think in terms of the overall picture. There are levels and levels to this - as to what you should do, experience as much as possible, but be aware that it is a complex maze/ tapestry, and pulling a given thread, taking a given turn, can truncate paths and eliminate other possibilities. Listen to everyone's advice, and make your own decision. As far as you know, I could be a figment of your imagination. The only thing you can allow to rule you is reason. >>555922604 Are you so sure? Do you think everyone acts in absolutes in this way? Does the cat think eating the mice is bad? Does the mob boss feel justified in running rings of crime, and rationalize it into something 'respectable' to his perceptions? A position of strength? >>555922803 Apologies, but I have no feelings on the matter - also, your conception of me is flawed. The thought is nice, though. >>555922935 To what purpose? Sprechen sie Deutsche? Parlez-vous francais? I could simply be extremely multi-lingual, proving nothing. Are you as flawed as the christians who think that speaking in tongues is a sign from god?
>>555924562 It would be completely out of character for you to not be fluent in every language spoken by man. Really, extreme fluency in any language requested would be sufficient evidence that you're at least superhuman, and to most that you are in fact who you say you are. It'd make this dialogue youre occupying yourself with all the more interesting. So to spice things up, why don't you translate this paragraph into German, hmm? It should be just as quick as typing in English after all.
>>555923076 Generally coffee, though I naturally do not need either for their conventional uses. The tastes are interesting, but coffee tends to be more vivid. >>555923337 A system at this level simply is. So I suppose, in a sense, the system itself is Chaos, though ordered chaos. It bows to the rules of the system, and seems chaotic. Consider chaos math - named to imply its unpredictability, but flawed in that it is calculating things that it doesn't know all the variables for, yet. >>555923891 That was falsely attributed to Einstein, particularly considering he only believed in god in the Spinozan sense. I think the idea does have merit, though. Really, there is only action. To see the effects and place judgment on them is really a subjective opinion, of which there are definitely many. So in that sense, seeing good and evil as merely being perspectives based on a single active component, is not too bad, conceptually. Also, philosophy is the road to knowledge and understanding. All questions are technically philosophical. Also, I do see what you did there - for me, the philosophy of the universe is fun, though to be honest I have been preoccupied with humanity for eons, and have been fairly satisfied with that. >>555924489 Same as above, with the caveat that spare time is a bit of a non-descriptor in my case.
>>555924562 It just seems like Mephistopheles is a very literary, academic name for you. Probably the most uncommon name for you too. And, on top of all that, it is the longest and more difficult to say than satan or devil.
I feel paralyzed that any move I make will eliminate other possibilities in my life. I am doing nothing now. I know that doing nothing is still a decision that is ruling out other possibilities for my life but I just can't decide. Again I'm faced with the contradiction of wanting so badly to do something, to DO EVERYTHING, that I do nothing. I feel like Lubov in The Cherry Orchard...
Any other insight? What do you mean by reason? Like, pure, cold utilitarian reason or what?
>>555924587 Said is a poor term - with God it is more of a communion, if you will pardon the term. The communication was in terms of the current state of affairs of man, vis-a-vis the glorification of inept, mediocre, and fear of the reprisal of the majority in the face of desired progress, and how we can get around it. As for Colby, no dice - I don't generally interfere in those ways. Also, do you think that I am omniscient? Wrong supernatural being. >>555924758 Totally torn - also, depends on whether you mean original or reboot. As for Anime, the philosophy of Vash the Stampede is interesting. >>555925689 Intriguing proposition, but you seem to be laboring under the impression that I would want that - that would be a dangerous bit of information. Would you really want to believe that you truly knew the nature of the supernatural? To feel that there truly was a literal devil? That kind of pandemonium is counterproductive to my aims. >>555925776 To be honest, the biblical cliches DO get a little old after awhile, so I hope you can kind of understand.
>>555926259 At the same time, it does slide rather smoothly, as names go - but I take your meaning. As to your paralysis, prioritize. Can you honestly say that the desire for action is even across the board? You need to know yourself, as cliche as that sounds. My preference is for you to contribute to progress, but as I have said, it doesn't work that way. This is where reason comes in, though - not necessarily cold and calculating, but rationally working out your priorities, and appraising what you actually want, and how to get there. Clint Eastwood - a man's gotta know his limitations. Your limitation is time, and you are wasting it. >>555926418 This puzzles me too - they paint me as one who encourages evil... and then punishes it. But with the loony idea of god being omniscient, and setting up a system that was bound to fail in the way he professes that he does not desire, then blame his creations for it, I am not surprised at this illogical thought. >>555926610 I admit, it is a bit of a contradiction in terms, but it is the nature of reality. Chaos math seeks to map out ways to predict the unpredictable in a sense - like weather patterns. Schrodinger's Cat isn't really math so much as a philosophical consideration that has become useful in physics.
As a puny irrelevant mortal, I humbly ask for your advice. What can I do to achieve success (economical, emotional, social) in this life? I am willing to work with all my strength and wits, but I want to work smart to secure my reward.
>>555927232 Yes and yes. I was him. Jesus was an attempt to bring humanity to another level of moral reasoning, though he wasn't the only time I tried it - just one that seems to have caught on and been bastardized all to hell, no pun intended. >>555927452 Chaos and pandemonium in the way you are implying is actually the natural state. Think of animals taking what they want and eating. As humans gained awareness of their relationships with things, but had no amalgamated moral guide things began to get out of control. Given our decision to influence and nudge as little as possible, the evolution of sociology (religion in this case) led to refinement of these practices, until you get to the still flawed state of today. So, not really God's fetish, per se. But then, as mentioned above, we aren't exactly on bad terms, as it turns out. >>555927573 I suppose many would say that fighting yourself is an easy win. Nice GIF by the way. >>555927656 Not so much - Also, I answered that question above, check back tot he original link - as for tempting Jesus - didn't happen. I was Jesus. I think that actually derived from some inner turmoil I was having at the time because I was really questioning at that point if it was all going to work. Also, forcing into a human form has certain effects - you aren't all that you are in a human body, if that makes sense. >>555927780 What can I really say about moot? Haven't really interacted with him, though his name is useful as its actual word. People don't seem to like him, but I don't really grasp all the nuances of human interaction.
>>555928469 Read, consider other perspectives, understand that good and evil are only positions one chooses to take, judgments you make. Once you get over that hump, the world opens up a lot. It also makes you realize that most people are pretty dead in the head, so don't even realize they are dumb - this really helps the whole tolerance/ patience thing, which in turn allows you to manipulate situations much easier, as predictions are much more straightforward. >>555928960 Gain the awareness that allows you to understand alternative perspective - this, above all else, will allow you to see weakness and defeat it where it lies, capitalize on it and lay waste to all obstacles. Accept the fact that people are only partially rational, and once you are in the torrent of control, allow that new perspective to predict behaviors. For anything specific, you would need to be more specific. >>555929283 I knew the job was dangerous when I took it, I suppose - glib as that may sound. I don't 'lose much sleep' over it, as the interests and opinions of superstitious individuals don't really mean a lot. No offense, but do you worry about what bacteria think of you? You consider their effect as a whole, but the individual opinions manner little outside how you can direct and shape their behavior. Is guessing names a new game? Edwin isn't a very common name... though I did caution that I am not omniscient.
>>555929870 You assume I did it as a learning experience? Also, again, people seem to be quick to assume their colloquial versions are accurate. But you are all a rather self centered breed. >>555930194 A favorite individual human...? That is a long list, as my interactions have been many. Mark Twain was quite remarkable, though warped. As for most 'fucked up' I would need better criteria. Beyond this, stories, poems, movies, songs? May I ask the reason behind your questions? I like many different ones for different reasons on all counts, but would you even recognize most? >>555930815 What would I do with gifts? I like experiences, unique instances. But then, perhaps you are a naieve hell-seeker?
>>555929516 How is it that the great deceiver doesn't exercise perfect economy of speech so that you don't have to answer people's questions multiple times. How is that you make typos and grammatical errors yet still maintaining throughout a heavy emphasis on proper punctuation grammar and spelling?
>>555932056 Are you assuming that supernatural = perfect? God can't even boast that. Also, extreme perfection would attract a lot of unwanted attention. Also, words are an amazingly expressive thing, so economy does not necessarily mean much. >>555932159 Not so much - supernatural and playing hockey would kind of defeat the purpose.
>would you even recognize most? No, but, I have the internet...
>You assume I did it as a learning experience? Well, no. But it reminds me of someone having a crisis or trying to make a new identity for themselves. Surely, you learned something from the experience. I mean you pretended to be the messiah.
>>555932421 Actually, you are not far off. Technically speaking, the true conception of the devil is in all of you, and you are, even now, connected to me, as well as God, and the rest of the universe, technically speaking.
>>555932875 Understood - a number of them have been lost to time, actually, and some have never been written down - the bards are always interesting. Modern day has some like that - perhaps your Stan Rogers or James Taylor would be of similar mettle, though. In a way I was the messiah. It was to a purpose, and I suspected the outcome, but yes I did learn from the experience. It confirmed to me that nothing galvanizes a population quicker than a political prisoner. By simply allowing myself to be crucified, all those who had heard my philosophies were energized, rededicated to spreading the word as they felt I had been wronged. But what happened to your Lincoln, your JFK? Not so different, really.
>>555933286 Not in the sense I think you mean - we all came out of the interactions of universal energy. There is a central found that has an overall consciousness just like I do, and you do, at differing levels. That being influenced the separation into parts, but that same energy also moves through the universe in a seemingly eternal cycle of creation and destruction via gravity wells and the formation of planets and elements. >>555933306 It is hard to say - the future is not set. It depends what you do - free will, don't forget. Wish I could help more, to be honest, but that really is your purview. >>555933320 Cultist chan is quite fetching, but would you really say that she is a cultist?
>>555933765 Yes and no. Given my proximity to the source, I am fairly good at extrapolating and predicting, but free will is always a confounding variable. Many possibilities. Vague questions usually stem from a desire to achieve a greater understanding of systemic things, with which I am adept, so you may as well try. >>555933852 You definitely know that you are not a vampire, as they do not exist in the conventional, or less conventional sparkly sense. If you are speaking of medical vampirism, I think you could likely figure that out quite simply.
>>555932771 In your constant journey to guide and deceive mortals since time immemorial you've never developed the refined skills and linguistic intellect to balance emotivity and economy of communication (if not especially tailored to the thought processes of those you individually deceive). In your observation of mortals throughout all time you've never developed these skills by pure observation and reflection? I don't suggest you're perfect but considering the time spent using and exercising intelligences and skills it would be reasonable to assume that you'd finally be extremely proficient if not almost infallible (in THESE specific skills). I know of people that can perform these skills more consisely than you've demonstrated. Surely you're not inferior to mere mortals? Also surely in your scheming you'd know that exercising perfect grammar in a finite thread isn't a superhuman feat by any means and wouldn't attract any manner of meaningful attention relevant to the supernatural. If not to convey the ideas cleanly and in a manner that the person asking the question would most fully absorb the concepts, whilst not fully revealing your identity, why not exercise economy?
>>555933592 >nothing galvanizes a population quicker than a political prisoner.
I don't know about that. There is a US soldier who is jailed for whistle blowing or something now. And only a few hundred people give a shit. Is the American population so distracted and preoccupied already that not even a political prisoner will galvanize us? >pic related
What do you think about this and American modern society? Also, what world culture do you examine the most? And what country?
>>555935031 Obviously not in the sparkly sense. I just crave human blood and drink it regularly. Afterwards, I'm so much stronger and faster, smarter. I'm superhuman in every regard. I'm exceedingly charming as well. I hope the father of vanity doesn't mind my narcissism.
Thanks. Your words are charming, and the way you describe this sphere of existence and the beings dwelling in it is pretty endearing. I can even say that your words give me hope, hope that I can keep being sentient after my death, hope that the pursuit of knowledge is a good thing, and that I'm generally doing things right.
One more thing, if you please. Welding or Medicine? Wich one do you think is better to study?
In Faust, a young student came to Faust's office in hope to ask Faust which career he should pick. Instead, Mephisto changed his form and deceived the student and gave him the most rotten, flawed advice. This OP satan seems level headed and reasonable, but he is the devil after all.
>>555935076 There are various factors at play - as stated, not perfect. As well, there is a certain amount of 'dumbing myself down' (no offense) that has to happen here to make this scenario deniable enough, to make you doubt me enough. Also, you have to recognize that even if this weren't the case, there would still be periodic flaws, as this is not my natural or preferred mode of communication. In actual fact, the learning process itself is not as you say (by osmosis) but through practice and application. Peculiar, but your entire perception is predicated on your own position being somehow correct in that I would be worried about how my abilities match up to mortals, and also that your judgment of these ramifications is superior to mine as to what would or would not draw attention. There are actually some who are dangerously close to believing even now. As for economy itself, I don't think you really grasp my nature or the nature of communication. I am supernatural, not clairvoyant, and therefore cannot predict, and choose not to expend energy on estimating, what you will or will not understand. >>555935140 A single US soldier with no name who was nothing until he entered the media in this way - though you are scratching the surface of one of my current worries. People in America today seem to be very prone to indifference, as they don't understand what it is to fight for their rights anymore. I would say that I touch everywhere that events can be influenced, though this is not me exclusively doing it. I had been paying close attention to the Western world as it has the most potential at this point, and was doing extremely well. My main attentions may soon shift to places like Australia and China, however. Perhaps Canada.
>>555895576 What's your thoughts on self/conciousness perfection, my idea is that it is impossible, and if it were possible it would be a tremendous burdon because with perfection comes a no longer meaningful existence, an end.
So you are the conduit for human change? You bring upon destruction and misery in order for the human race to rise above it? Would you explain, what exactly the end game is?
>>555935457 I would actually term that self-delusion, vice narcissism. >>555935558 It was an influenced thing, as they were all swayed, and believers. But they were prone to fear, which worked in my favour, thankfully. >>555935806 These are far from vague, and are all prone to the same issues of free will, lamentably. Even with disease, nothing is set in stone. >>555936135 Subjective question - which one fulfills you more? How does this interact with your decisions about your other goals? These are two fundamentally different lives, both requiring steady hands and keen skill, but one that will give you a life outside of work, and the other that would result in you being a workaholic. In either sense, your achievements would make you happy, but which do you feel strongest for, and why? >>555936352 The site that it was taken from had given it that name. >>555937370 What could possibly go wrong? >>555937469 I would say no - the idea of against doesn't really work here. It is a subjective judgment, unfortunately. What is, is, quite simply. And to think that any outcome could be against God, considering God's nature, is nonsensical.
>>555937696 Depends on what you want to know. >>555938025 The problem you, and most people in this age have, is cutting down to possibilities and probabilities. Sometimes too much choice is more difficult than select, unappealing choices. >>555938861 No - I have mentioned earlier, there is no soul selling. People have intriguing rituals that they play out, some even hallucinate remarkable things, but no, you did not and cannot. >>555938882 Perfection is a nonsensical term, particularly in this sense as we are constantly in flux. Perfection is a finite, subjective snapshot of a single perspective so becomes useless as a construct. Beauty in the eye of the beholder, perhaps. The end game is what it can be - I have done things as you have outlined, but I have also created, encouraged, loved. It is all part of the same role, I am what I am needed to be. The end game itself is to see how things end up, as unsatisfying as you must find it. >>555939418 And by this you expect me to read your mind - I have a lot of powers, but clairvoyance and omniscience aren't among them.
>>555937580 >osmosis Never really suggested that, I made an implication more like the second one, practice and application. I can watch a new board game and understand how it works without physically practicing. The "practice" involved in understanding it I guess is the mental rehearsing (practicing) of the game and the conclusions drawn from it. It's in very much the same way on a grander scale that you could apply this to the skills of economy, grammar and spelling by means of observing it going down and thinking about the mechanics of it. >I don't talk like this most of the time You've observed English conversation and writing since before the middle ages. Just because you don't do it most of the time doesn't mean that you wouldn't have committed the information and nuances regarding the mechanics of how the skills operate into your long term memory over and over again to the point that you'd be basically infallible by human standards. Which leads me to clarify: >You assume I care if mortals can do it better than I Not really, I never suggested that, it was just an observation. I don't mean offense when I say this Mr. Satan but a human given the time alloted to observe and understand these skills would be exponentially more proficient than you're demonstrating. Its just an observation that your "body" is seemingly far inferior to a human's and many humans could do your job far better theoretically given the time you've been around. If you're genuinely have an interest in effecting humans in some way it'd probably be a good idea to have a very powerful and extremely thorough understanding of how everything works. This isn't a question I'm just noticing some inconsistencies. Anyways I gotta clean, it's been nice talking Mr. Satan
>>555939819 The thing is, I can't really decide for one of them. I like them both, on an academic level. Welding has been a hobby of sorts for me, and I was very curious about the affairs of medics and Medicine in general, since a very young age.
>which do you feel strongest for, and why?
That's the thing. Gaining useful knowledge in welding is obviously easier than achieving the same with Medicine. But I belive that if I put effort into it, I could see myself being a respectable Medic.
It all comes down to me being a rather indecissive mortal, right?
>>555940445 It has been a constant cycle, as far as we can tell, but Earth has not been the only one. I cannot say for certain, as these cycles predate my existence. There are things in the center that even I am not able to delve into. What I have seen says that this is likely, though.
You believe there have been other cycles, so is this a linear process or more perpetual in nature (never ending; no alpha/omega)? Do you believe in these other universal cycles there were self-aware species blessed with predecessors such as yourself? Or is it all completely random...you never know when there could be another self-aware species fit to learn about the universe/itself
>>555941369 The true and full nature? Still pretty far off. You are still basing so much on pattern recognition, and not seeing the true significance of your mathematics. But it will come, in time. Not in your lifetime, though. >>555941526 Your entire rhetoric seems to be predicated on your assumptions about how things should be given the passage of time, simply based on the immensity of time, and even potentially regarding capacity. Either way, it is fairly clear that you can't actually see past your own opinions and biases in this. >>555941645 This is a common dilemma - you have the constraint of time, which changes things. But life is not so short. There is always doing one, and doing the other later if you are not satisfied. >>555941790 If there would be an interest. As you may well realize, this place is a rather unique cross-section of humanity - this was actually my first, though...
>>555895576 From what I've gathered, you claim that you are a consciousness without physical form, which can still physically interfere with the world, and that our consciousness is similar to yours, but still different, and that when we die, our consciousness remains somewhat, but we lose most of our sense of individuality, and phase in and out of what you described as 'God', which is a consciousness similar to yours, but different. Is there any way for us to change our consciousness, so that we don't lose our sense of individuality and ability to physically interact with the world when we die, and thus become an existence closer to you and 'God'?
>>555942376 A story for another time, I believe, as it is an extremely long one, as you can imagine. >>555942570 The things that some dregs of humanity do with their most vulnerable is quite atrocious - nuff said. >>555943297 We have a way of manipulating matter and energy, so we kind of just allow bodies to coalesce about our consciousness. Also, what is from the earth is of the greatest worth. >>555943767 Can't say for sure, but it isn't linear, per se, but it is hard to really describe the flow in human terms. As to self-aware species developing, that isn't entirely accurate. All things are aware in some sense, but it has to do with energy entanglement. As the connections grow more complex, the awareness does as well. Try to imagine being able to be aware of your atoms. So once existence begins, we feel the separation, sometimes cause the separation. Sometimes it is cause and effect, sometimes it is just a natural, perhaps random, part of the energy flow. >>555944041 As mentioned, I go by MephistophelesForSome, and this is usually pretty reliable for the g-mail crowd.
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