>When an attractive male is confident
"Omg confident guys are so hot"
"Confident guys get laid"
>When an ugly guy is confident
"Omg this guy is a total creep"
"That guy is probably going to murder me"
Try to debate it femwhores.. you are all extremely superficial and care about nothing but how a man's face looks.
If you want women, there are three important things.
Wealth, Looks and Status. You need to have two of the three- you can compensate for the third with one or both of the other two.
You are still young. When the biological clock starts a-ticking (around 30 years, sometimes sooner) woemn stop caring almost entirely about looks, and even status takes a backside to wealth: quantifying your ability to give a decent life to them and their prole.
Men, though, are mostly attracted to looks till the end of their life.
There's a difference between men and women's definition of attractive.
I've seen guys with ugly as fuck faces dating solid 10's.
If a guy is willing to be hygienic and dress well, they'll still be viewed as attractive even if their face is fuck ugly.
Combine that with confidence and you're set.
The only time confidence is a turn off is when a dude is cringeworthy and confident.
If you look and dress like pic related, confidence is irrelevant.
ugly guy who regularly pulls 7's+ here.
In my experience power, wealth, and social ability all rank high on the woman's fuckometer.
Also: women are strange in that if you are already with a girl/girls, they will want you all the more.
During my younger years I had nothing going for me, no money, no education, no looks....you name it - I did not have it. And to top it all off I was a nice guy. And in all honesty I am still a nice person - but I am now an "educated nice guy"; and we are deadly for the relationshit seeking older woman looking to "settle down".
When young I deluded myself into thinking if I demonstrated that I had "potential" by working my ass off in some shit job while going to college part time for a medical degree that women would value my efforts and want to be in a relationship because I was a nice guy and I had potential. Needless to say there was no such woman - she never existed. So while I was doing all of the "right things" dirt balls, bad boy bums, druggies, etc ,etc where getting laid left and right - and all I had was home work to do my right-hand to jerk off with.
Now I am single, never married, no children, and a doctor. I own my home with no mortgage and I have net worth in the seven figure range. I am also finacially liquid - It would take me less then 2 hours to have $250,000 in a suitcase if I wanted to do that. I will always be bitter towards women because of the rejection and disinterest I experienced in my youth. I don't trust women because they cant be trusted. Now for the big question: Would those ladies have been interested in me if they knew the end of the story? Would they have tossed aside the losers they were obsessed with in exchange for a relationship with "boring, nice guy me." THE ANSWER IS NO! Am I desired by women in my age group or younger now? Yes, but they desire the lifestyle I can provide to them and they would only tolerate me so long as I could provide that lifestyle to them. They have no interest in me as a person - they only view me as a ultility to use and eventually dispose of. Women are parasites. There is no other way to describe the current state of the female. The best revenge is not giving a shit. Cunts are useless.
ITT: Ugly and fat guys trying to convince themselves that what they're saying is true.
Keep believing what your mother told you guys, let me know how it works for you outside of the internet. Then again, I'm sure you're all dating 8s at least because of how confident you are.
>>When a pretty girl smiles at you
>"Omg she's beautiful, she would never like me"
>Cant't speak, run home in basement and hide
>>When an ugly girl smiles at you
>"Omg fucking landwhale whore, kill with fire!"
>Run home in basement and post on 4chan
NOBODY likes ugly betafag losers, being a pathetic hypocrite jerkoff doesn't make you look any better.
being attractive helps, shocking
Well, physical fitness is a completely separate issue.
So you're saying that just because a man has an ugly face, he's a hypocrite if he doesn't like fat women?
Men who weren't born lucky in the gene pool should be forced to like women who neglect their personal care and don't take care of themselves?
A slob of a man is another story, I'm talking completely about the facial features of a man. Something that you can't change with 100% certainty and plastic surgery doesn't always go well..
>equates confidence to sexual forwardness
Dude someone can be confident no matter how ugly they are. The fact that you think being confident implies that a male is coming on to a female simply shows that you're socially retarded.
Well just from that post alone, you've killed enough brain cells to last a lifetime.
It has nothing to do with being sexually forward.
It doesn't matter to what degree you're confident, if you're not attractive in the facial region, you're going to be viewed as some potential axe murdering creep.
There was a reason it was so easy for Ted Bundy to lure women to secluded areas. He had good looks. It wasn't his charm or intelligence that lured women away from safety, it was simply his face.
So if an ugly person sits confidently in a chair and applies for a job online, they're being judged as a creep? You need to expand on what this hypothetical male is doing confidently.
Do you read the shit you type before posting it...?
Yes, you even get judged during interviews based on your face...
"Qualified" people get overseen all the time because someone far more attractive applied for a job.
Just like all the wanna be actors in Hollywood. The majority of the jobs have NOTHING or little to do with acting actually. People only get selected for commercials or certain roles because of their face.
You're being really inflammatory. I'm literally just trying to figure out what you're talking about. It seems like you're implying that whenever an ugly person does ANYTHING confidently, they're being judged as a creep which I don't agree with.
So if an ugly fireman confidently enters a burning house to save a child, they're being judged as a creep?
I'm saying it pretty clearly. You keep dodging my questions tactlessly, so here's the question as plainly as I can ask it:
Under what circumstances is an ugly person judged as creepy?
first off, if any girl acts like that to an attractive dude, they're retarded. :)))))) :DDDDD SO CUTE :PPPPP
>we're all born equal and beauty is completely objective
Being honest is no means of survival, avoid your inner-feelings like the plague,
This is what it takes to comply with the images this structure will accomodate,
But things aren't what they seem when they're partially hidden behind walls of pretence built for peace of mind.
The barriers between us are forever maintained by our acceptance of the roles others choose to define.
In a world of competition life's portrayed as a contest where we're forced to live by making gains at others expense,
But no-one's really gaining when perpetual conflict's the result of our relationships based on pretence,
We don't need this cultural cosmetic division it upholds the self-interest on which the system feeds,
A deconditioned consciousness of mutual respect is the only way to cure this cosmetic disease.
How do you explain ugly, not rich guys who have hot girlfriends? I agree it is not all about confidence. There is an 'aura' you need to project. You need to be funny. You need charisma. Being attractive helps, but doesn't make it.
We also care what his body looks like, how tall he is, how big his dick, is and if he can preform oral sex. If you meet all of that criteria you just need to also have a car, and a job so that you can buy us things. Despite all of these things we will probably fuck one of your friends at some point because you "aren't paying enough attention to us" and you'll forgive us because you're that fucking castrated. The world isn't fair.
Yeah, that's why I said "their prole", not "your prole"
And make no mistake about this: no matter how much you love your children, no matter if you are their real biological father, they will always really be their mother's children way way more than they will be yours.
But that is exactly the reason why anon
Women want you to provide protection for their offspring and wealth for their household
And they want those bad boys to fuck them right
Actually those bad boys fuck exactly like you and me do, it's all in womens' head; they get tuned on by danger, assertiveness and excitement
Then, when the dumb whore can't evne rmemeber to take her pill, who gets stuck raising some street trash's sprog?
>the same with men
No, it's not. That's what a lot of people like to believe. You really underestimate how low men will go just to get theirs wet.
I know on 4chan, everyone pretends to be some Alpha who only bones 8s at the very least, but have you seen the attention that even disgusting fat women get?
If you don't believe me, make a dating profile of a lard ass female. Hell, make her as stuck up as you want, it doesn't matter. She will still get messages and attention from attractive males.
>When men complain that just because they're ugly girls want nothing to do with them
"Deal with it"
>When women complain that men don't like them because they're ugly
"That's wrong, everyone is beautiful!"
"Men are assholes!"
Gotta love how that works out.
>EVER supporting a women who has any children who are not yours
Men will do that. Because if your wife gets knocked up gettign a divorce is often too much of a hassle. Because they can't let their whores go. Because they are whipped. Because they are too dumb/trusting to even think about it.
That's a recent development from the feminist front, which is part of the ongoing Jewish campaign to utterly destroy each and every white man.
Sounds like a lot of people suffer from bitch dependency.
>When women complain that just because they're ugly men want nothing to do with them
"Deal with it"
>When men complain that women don't like them because they're ugly
"That's wrong, everyone is beautiful!"
"Girls are assholes!"
Gotta love how that works out.
I'm pansexual, I've dated stereotypically considered 'ugly' men and 'attractive' men.
Personality and intelligence takes precedence for me. a
In answer to your question, everyone is wired differently. There are both external and internal factors which influence an individual's ideal of beauty and their attraction to other members of their species.
Also double standards are definitely not an uncommon phenomenon.
Why don't you just walk up and talk to the girl without being a creep? It's really not that hard.
Honestly, I have to agree with the thread, as a male if you don't have masculine features at all (and I am healthy, have been my whole life, a little on the leaner and skinnier side but I eat well and exercise) you will be ignored by most girls. Now I consider myself beta and shit but it's because of my security about my face. I feel its too girly or whatever and I don't know I feel that's why girls have 0 attraction towards me. Same goes with men tho, if a girl was a butterface it's very unlikely that the male will pass her up, but it does happen on both sides of the equation.
I'm sorry, I don't think I understand. Why don't you just...not be ugly? Can't you take a shower and put on a nice shirt? That's what I did.
And thats why Id rather fuck a shemale.
>shemales devote their life to be pretty for men
>they will do anything for a mans affection and love
>they appreciate us and dont use us
>they know how to suck a mean dick
Ok, any femanons browsing this thread.
Let's say this guy approaches you. He's confident and really nice.
Does he have a shot? Go ahead fems, prove me wrong.
Guys can change how attractive they are 2-3 points with not much effort. Fir example, guy on lefts cuts hair wears contact cleans skin loses weight goes to gym dresses well boom thats up 3-4 points and with an alpha attitude would have NO problem getting pussy. its about the motivation.
Ever heard a girl decides if you have a chance to fuck her 30 seconds into meeting her for the first time? And if she decides no then you are screwed?
If you are well ugly guess what happens? You can have mad social skills, most women won't even let you use them
The point of men and women having anything to do with one another is to ultimately create more humans. Do you really want to create more ugly humans? Find an "ugly" girl and form a relationship with her. Give her happiness and take charge of your own well being don't give so much power to a cultural construction or whatever social science types would call it.
Probably doesnt get out and talk to guys because shes a nervouz cat lady with no friends
This is one of the many variables, if the girl is socially awkward like a cat lady she wont be able to get a man becauze they dont go out and talk to them
Bump for this.
Go ahead people, prove me wrong. Tell me it's not all about looks and say this guy would have a shot because of how confident, nice and charming he is.
You guys don't have anything. If this guy walked up to a female and tried to be charming, she would think he was some kind of serial hobo rapist.
It's all about looks.
Pfft you're an idiot, I was and am an average looking guy, but before I was an average looking skinny guy with acne, Yet I could talk to random girls without them thinking I was a creep, in fact I made plenty of friends through random girls i met, I was needless to say less successful then than i am now at banging said girls, but if you come across as a creep you either are a creep or are unhygenic.
Because thats the way humans are? Ugly girls have a higher chance of getting the d if they out on makeup, thereby looking prettier- or by having a nice body. We work the same way mostly.
AHA so you're saying, he should have to change his looks to have a shot?
Exactly. Thank you for proving my point.
Anyone else want to prove my point?
What are you smoking? Ugly confident guys get laid left and right with no issue. I think you're confusing arrogance and elitism for confidence.
He has a shot at forming a relationship with almost any women who is worth knowing. You are thinking about reproduction and yes that is rightly about looks among other things.
I love how everyone is suggesting how the guys being posted could improve their looks.
Yet, all that's doing is proving my point even further. My original point was, if you're an ugly guy, girls will think you're some creep.
Now, everyone's recommending that these guys all change their looks.
Thank you /b/ for proving my point.
And maybe the reason that women think such guys are creeps is because they need the validation of others to confirm their self worth and attention from ugly men causes them to fear that they are less attractive. Maybe it has nothing to do with the men in question.
Are you kidding? Online dating is the most superficial route for trying to companionship/sex/a date or whatever your goal is.
Women don't even have to lie or pretend to be interested in you just to let you down nicely on the internet.
They simply read your message and ignore it. Why do you think the app Tinder is so popular?
Because women don't have to talk to you and you can't message women unless they "like you". They can simply spend all day swiping No until they find someone that matches their ridiculously high standards.
>ITT: beta faggots raging
They turn away the ugly dude because they don't like them.
Is that really so hard to understand?
The girl likes the hot dude, so she lets him do creepy shit because SHE LIKES HIM!
The girl doesn't like the neckbeard, so she doesn't let him do creepy shit because SHE DOESN'T LIKE HIM!
Quit being a faggot and whining that hot girls don't like you, it's fucking pathetic.
hahhahahah op is neckbeardin hard
stay mad nigga
Doesn't it seem more like it's about self-awareness? If someone is stupid enough to go out looking like a retarded 12 year old they can't be trusted to take care of a child.
They deserve loneliness. As do I.
Yes and when they find that guy what the hell are they going to do? Message each other, guy will realize she sucks at flirting (and if he isnt desperate) then will stop talking to her.
Or if they meet up and she is socially awkward it will be even worse.
Also what kind of retarded ass captcha is this the numbers are all blurred
A jelly doughnut??
What is your major malfunction Private Pyle?!
I'm curious are you jelous of the ugly fat chicks? Do you wish that you could draw attention as if you were a women? They can never approach men the way we approach them and the slightest rejection crushes them. Just find the good in being a man.
What the hell are you talking about? Have you ever even seen girls do online dating?
Girls don't need "Flirting skills". They basically get harassed by men and even other women wanting to fuck them.
I swear I get better results when I go to a bar, club, or any other social setting than a fucking online dating site, even the fattest, ugliest bitches think they are 10 s in those sites .
Funny thing is when I see them IRL, they often get ignored
> its also about the effort put in to ones appearance.
That is how women attract a mate. In Ethiopia 69 percent of the marriages involve kidnapping the girl and raping her until she is pregnant and then getting her parents to shame her into marriage.
I'm a straight male. I also have a girlfriend, who I would not be with if I did not find her pleasing to look at. I enjoy hanging out with people that are nice to look at, not people that clearly have no concept of the effect they have on people around them.
I know I have two (money/status) and I've been told I'm not that bad looking, but I'm still a complete foreveralone who's never dated, nor has any girl ever even looked at me in a non-platonic manner, ever.
>tfw i fucking did everything
>tfw im still a foreveralone.
Perhaps we should analyze the converse of OP's statement. Are good looking men that completely lack confidence any better off than the neckbeards posted in this thread? No.
Automatically these neckbeards have an advantage if theyre simply capable of initiating conversation in a convincing manner
His wifes not banging but she's no where as ugly as he is
This whole thread is retarded, it's not worth listening to 80% of the people here.
All you have to do is present ypurself well physically and socially and you will be fine (at least with anyone worthwhile)
Socially awkward autist reporting in.
Inclined to disagree with OP.
Mostly because anyone posting this shit on 4chan has obviously never achieved real confidence.
Also fuck you faggots, stow your feedback
just hoping for zombie apocalypse
I even have friends and a healthy social life.
Even good female friends. Just that every fucking last one of them views me strictly as platonic.
I've been told I'm at least decent looking, started going to the gym, and get invited to things fairly often.
It's about making a personal choice. Weight is something that can be changed through your own motivation to look better. If you don't want to put work into how you look what do you expect?
so many redpill beta bullshit here.
you fuckers with your wall and hamsters, trp, srs, blah, blah, blah...
you sound like a multi-level marketing cult.
i keep expecting you to try and sell me overpriced toothpaste or a bbq sets.
nature isn't supposed to make you happy
it's meant to ensure the continuation of the species
suck it up princess
Join us for Stud Walk 2014 where we all let it hang out, just like our hero.
All these fags acting like girls only care about looks, as if guys are any different.
I'm a fairly average looking guy but i honestly keep distance from unattractive girls, yeah they can be nice and all that but i don't give a fuck if i find them ugly. Girls shouldn't feel any guilt, because everyone thinks like this. Nobody likes ugly people.
> In Ethiopia 69 percent of the marriages involve kidnapping the girl and raping her until she is pregnant and then getting her parents to shame her into marriage.
welp, time to go to Ethiopia
>this, to some degree
for me, it depends on age more than looks but I almost always get creeped out if an old/unattractive dude talks to me for no reason.
I think (if you are ugly) as long as you don't randomly approach girls you'll be fine
That rule doesn't apply to ugly guys. The rule is for average guys with other things to offer, such as passable looks, confidence is the icebreaker not the complete package for ugly guys.
This is 4chan, which is primarily populated by males. They are the ones telling all the ugly guys that can't get laid to suck it up.
Girls tell their circle of friends "Blah blah, I'm ugly, no one wants me", and they tell them that "Everyone's beautiful, men are assholes" bullshit.
Tough shit. It's just how the different genders treat their members most of the time.
But here's the caveat: Even ugly chicks know that men are programmed to stick it in anything that moves (some even stick it in things that don't). Women are more selective. It's evolution, is it not?
look guys, the bottom line is that guys gravitate towards attractive girls and girls gravitate towards attractive guys, the only difference is that when guys get horny, we'll fuck just about anything to get our dicks wet - something that benefits the female population since there are always horny guys
To sum everything up. Men are desperate, women are shallow. I have not met as many guys who are judgemental as much as women.
But we are to blame though. We cater for their attention so fucking much that we became nothing but products to most of them. Guys are essentially items in a mall and we all line up while we hope women will come buy us.
Ever posed as a women in a dating site? Shit is ridiculous.
Money... you forgot money. Money trumps all once they reach 25 and they decide finding a good looking rich guy is too hard so theyll settle for a rich guy. Never a poor good looking guy, unless theyre mentally stunted.
>"confident" ugly fuck aren't confident.
>They are delusional.
I think your point is that women want men who are justifiably confidant.
In other words men who know they are attractive.
I honestly believe I'm attractive, and yet almost every woman I've dated tells me I'm about a 1/10.
I also believe a good portion of women suffer some form of stockholm syndrome. Shit I see and experienced is shocking.
Maybe Ohio is just a shitty state and I need to get out of here.
>So if an ugly fireman confidently enters a burning house to save a child, they're being judged as a creep?
You tell me.
Steve Buscemi was a fireman before becoming an actor.
They're my good friends and everything, they just look at me as strictly platonic. If I bring up dating they're pretty surprised.
I'm not. All the girls I know want to be my friend, but so far strictly platonic.
I'm not even boring. I run a business, I have tons of interesting stories since in my field you run into some interesting characters. I have lots of skills, and I'm always down for trying new shit out (and where there's a good reason, I'm really fast at learning a new skill, and then creating my own twist on it).
Girls /don't/ only care about looks. But that's the problem. I have no fucking clue WHAT they care about.
>Ever posed as a women in a dating site?
You can honestly make a small fortune doing this. Guys just through money (money they probably don't have) at pussy and hope it buys their way in. It's fucking crazy. I once did this and in a week I got a bunch of dudes to send me a total of 3,000$
>But why does he have to lose weight and cut his hair
No, it's not about the looks, it's about the lifestyle. If you look gross and dirty, no girl is going to want to fuck you. People think of fat people as dirty. Pimply skin? Dirty. Long hair? Depends. If you wash it and put it up nice somehow and it's not thin, people will like it. Thinning hair or a mess? Dirty. Being hygienic isn't that hard.
Dunno. If this is the case, I guarantee I'd be the cheapest "product" in the entire fucking store with the absolute most features I can do as humanely possible and people think it's a scam.
Look at ANY you love you lose thread and you won't see one unattractive girl posted in the entire thread.
>and people think it's a scam.
Exactly, thats where my assumption of most women suffer some form of stockholm syndrome comes from. They are told constantly that alienware/macs are the greatest of products and are worth your money where in reality, it is no where near the investment.
But since thats all they experienced and told thats what they will stick with whereas something that is just as good or better for a lot cheaper is overlooked.
Then you get some women who thinks they know all about computers and buys a broken one and tries to fix it to suit their own purposes.
>I cant believe I made that fucking analogy
As an ugly, fat, confident dude that's not true, you're probably being creepy.
Just take care of your appearance, have high status friends, be assertive (not confrontational, assertive), watch your body language.
Pretty much yeah. Lonely dudes are fuckin suckers. You ask for small amounts or have them like buy you phone cards or gifts and shit. It's unbelievable. You just lay on the "oh woah is me i'm a lady in distress" act and they'll give up the greenbacks. Get 15 guys and take each one for 200$ and bam 3k easy.
with an attitude like that, no wonder they stayed away. you're an asshole. I don't mean in the joking shitposting way like how we call each other faggots. you're an honest to god asshole.
>Then you get some women who thinks they know all about computers and buys a broken one and tries to fix it to suit their own purposes.
i fucking hate this shit so much when this shit happens.
to these people: my life is perfectly fine kthx, and probably much better than yours and anyone you can possibly think of. if you aren't ok with that then fuck off.
Yep, this. Being "nice" (not the kind of nice that is nice because they think they'll get pussy that way) is just a start. It doesn't mean shit. You are a nice guy, ok. There's another nice guy who plays guitar. ANother who earns more than you. Another that is more attractive.
You're not a nice guy, you're an entitled asshole.
No way. And to think, all this time I've been fucking with sad bastards online for cheap laughs or for a self esteem boost... didn't know I was training for my new job! :P Thanks anon! If you ever find that the girl of your dreams dropped off the face of the earth after you wired her that 200 bucks for a plane ticket, just create a post here with your paypal and I'll pay it right back :D
Also, yeah, women want you for your looks, status, and resources. What the fuck did you expect, this isn't a Disney movie. We are biological machines man, our desire is to ensure that we have offspring and they can do so too.
You, too, want them for their looks.
>Being a nice guy is like having your ice cream cold.
>Its nothing special to have cold ice cream but people expect it to be cold or they wont come near.
Its like saying V
>But But i don't beat you! Why do you want to leave?
>You have to have something women want,
well what do they fucking want? they don't give a fuck about looks, they don't care about money/status/power/material possessions, they don't give a fuck about your interests, they don't give a fuck about your personality, and the non-sluts don't care about your dick size.
are they measuring your fucking nostril size or some shit because i honestly have no fucking clue.
er no they don't. girls are pretty surprised if i bring up that i'm, in fact, interested in dating, and [strike]most[/strike] all of them view me as platonic.
i own my own, established, business. i have more resources than any of my classmates can ever get.
i started going to the gym recently, and regardless people still say i'm attractive anyways - at least enough where girls went to pretty far lengths to go with me to my old high school dances. but, again, the problem with me is that it ends there - they still view me as strictly platonic.
Um, actually they do care about all those things you said they don't care about. Stop trying to think every woman wants the same thing.
Some want a guy with money and a cool car.
Some want a guy that is adventurous and outgoing.
Some want a guy in a wifebeater who'll stop hitting her just within an inch of killing her.
>they don't care about money/status/power/material possessions
>i have all those and people say i'm attractive
holy shit are you blind
it's fucking evolutionary psychology and sexual market value
look good, have status, have good social skills, have money, boom, your value skyrockets
oh, and quit the nice guy bullshit
"nice guys" are afraid of being vulnerable and showing their true emotions, and vulnerability is key for every damn human interaction
"nice guys" aren't nice at all, they are manipulative and secretive and feel like everyone owes them
I second this, just like men they aend seek for different attributes in their ideal partners
Some want a man that is physically attractive /end thread.
And some, like this femanon (who basically already said the same thing)
Will fuck anything with intellect and a compatible personality.
Not sure what to say. Women are very fickle. And they have long term strategies and short term strategies. Different guys for each. When I was younger, I was quite poor but was told many times that I was very handsome; and a good build (but very short). Had a hell of a time getting a date.
Now I'm older, very well educated and make 6 figures. Dated a lot of women, some quite attractive; married one of them. She told me I was very confident.
What am I trying to say? I'm trying to say that I'm cynical. Learn to play the game, but women really are attracted to money and power. The confidence thing factors in somehow, but I think it comes from money and power.
That's basically everyone I know. And I'm in the fucking state that's fucking known for having tons of women.
>Some want a guy with money and a cool car.
well none that I know.
>Some want a guy that is adventurous and outgoing.
none that I know either. and I know a lot of people.
>Some want a guy in a wifebeater who'll stop hitting her just within an inch of killing her.
well, i don't want someone who's so emotionally unstable that she wants to be legitimately physically abused to the point where it's harmful.
From PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, that shit has not helped me AT ALL.
I'll understand if one or two people say you're decent looking it's a lie but if people, including those friends who usually give you constructive criticism, can consistently point out specific features of me they like, then... eh.
well I own a business. It's large enough to be listed on the stock exchange if I wanted, and our products are used by businesses worldwide and referenced in several studies that we were not involved with. I also own a smaller tech startup that I'm building as a side project, but even there, it's decently successful for what it is.
>have good social skills
I have friends, who consistently invite me out to places, and who constantly want me to meet their friends, including female friends, so a constantly growing and healthy social life/social circle.
refer to business
>your value skyrockets
not sure then why people only view me as strictly platonic if my value's so high?
i mean... i really don't ask for much.
I'm not as much nice so much as I don't give much of a fuck about most things, so people just assume that I'm nice since I don't give enough of a fuck to be a dick.
I think your problem is women don't want to date autists.
>well I own a business
status as in social status my man
are you a leader of men? do you decide where to party? things like that
do you ever invite them out? do you add value to the group?
other than that, and if you're being honest with me (and i assume you are because lying on an anonymous imageboard is stupid), i dunno
keep trying i guess, talk to more people
And no one has replied to her argument or the posts using her as an example because everyone in this thread for the argument of OP just wants to wallow in self pity and achieve a female companion with minimal effort.
Either work on your appearance, personality, the girls you are going after (or not going after), or societal status (money, car, friend circle).
Become a more developed person and stop being a cringe worthy, fat, yes-man, no personality, no assets, beta fag.
If you can't see what is wrong with you or what you're doing, then you are part of the problem and a no-hoper.
Let me guess, you think you're handsome huh?
Is your alpha male existance amazing? Oh, PLEASE tell me about it, I have all night since, yknow I'm just not up to par biologically with such an amazing male like you, I'm all alone tonight because of my biological inferiorities.
Please tell me how it is to be genetically superior to me in every way, please, I beg of you, please...please...
You're all too hell bent on justifying yourselves that you're completely void of the introspection necessary to realise the issue/s and better yourselves, thus eliminating said problems. It could even just be as little as an attitude adjustment towards your own situation that gains you the attention from the opposite sex that you so crave.
Capture: geswhy son
we're kinda stupid i know, it's not rape per se because come on it's not my fantasy to get my insides ripped to shreds
it's more like wanting to be overpowered i guess? and the whole "secretly" loving it knowing that the guy knows you want it
i'm too vanilla to be a sub so this is the closest to it really
Here's a pro tip for you faggots.
Stop worrying about getting laid or meeting girls.
All of a sudden you'll start getting laid and meet chicks left and right.
>desperation and obsession are the WORST things possible and women respond to it very negatively.
>I'm not as much nice so much as I don't give much of a fuck about most things, so people just assume that I'm nice since I don't give enough of a fuck to be a dick.
Then there's your problem. You gotta give them attention and "special treatment". If you show that you dont care then women would assume that you're already talking to someone.
Yes, I'm an autist. I mean, that's how I managed to build up a social circle AND convince people that what we make is good enough for them to pay me a lot of money for it, right?
>status as in social status my man
>are you a leader of men?
Owning a business entails having to hold leadership over your employees.
>do you decide where to party?
I don't really host many parties, but people know that when we do have one, mine's invariably the best one and I manage to do it without involving drugs.
>do you ever invite them out?
Usually me and my friend collaborate on it together and then the two of us invite the rest of our social circle. We each have our own thing we're good at so us together we can do a better outing than just one of us alone.
>do you add value to the group?
Yes, and they know it and my closer friends have directly benefited pretty significantly from it (at no cost to myself, neither monetary or time).
>if you're being honest with me (and i assume you are because lying on an anonymous imageboard is stupid)
I don't know what I have to gain out of lying. I legitimately wanted some ideas because I'm out, and advice based on a lie isn't gonna help me.
>keep trying i guess, talk to more people
This is now in multiple neighborhoods. I'm obviously doing something wrong or missing something important if the response is this fucking consistent. It's like they have fucking telepathy or some shit, every last person says the exact thing. They see me as a platonic friend only.
Well, while we were growing the business (from something already pretty large to being even larger), I didn't have time to focus on dating during those couple months, and still nobody was interested.
Let the Jueden tell you...
> To answer your question, no I am not handsome. Just reporting a study. Do not know if it is true. But if men can see youth and beauty, in females, as markers of high fertility is it unreasonable that men could have similar genetic markers?
>it's more like wanting to be overpowered i guess? and the whole "secretly" loving it knowing that the guy knows you want it
heh, i always say this is why you gals like it
well anyways i'm out
it was fun yall
Stop finding excuses to just give up and be lazy, do the maths, isolate the problem/s and work for the solution instead of whining like the entitled little assholes you all actually are.
Yes females may have to work less to get a partner than males as long as they are at least moderately attractive, but that doesn't mean that said relationship will last. Look at divorce rates. This applies to both genders.
the same can be said for both genders you know. maybe you only encounter these kinds of women because you only chase that type of woman. if you were expected to fuck girls as ugly as the guys you're talking about you would react the same way. quit crying.
I've tried that once too, just because I was clean out of ideas.
That backfired even worse. I did one nice thing for her and suddenly she's super embarrassed and wanted nothing to do with me anymore because now people thought "oh, anon actually likes that girl".
Well attraction is based more on just looks as you probably know.
(and no, not the "i love him for his brains" or vice versa bullshit)
If two people have really different immune systems, they're gonna be attracted to each other, also the hip to waist ratio, symmetrical faces, scent, human attraction is a complicated field.
So yeah, I guess it could be plausible for someone with successful genes to have tastier semen, but that also is attributed to diet.
>handsome men are probably really fit
>they eat more fruit, veggies and have an overall balanced diet and good exercise compared to average men or the beta male
So yeah, that's pretty plausible, sorry anon, kinda jumped the gun there.
Except we would do the exact same thing.
If a confident fat chick came up to you, you would treat her like shit.
If a confident hot chick came up to you, you would want to bang her.
Nice going /b/, truly euphoric breakthroughs going on around here.
No one on this thread will be able to spell out whatever the issue is for you. You will not find a 'one size fits all' solution here. Why? Because we are all different, the flaws hindering you differ from the next person, as do the types of girls you are attracted to (meaning that different girls want different things). You're going to actually have to use your brain for this one and put in the effort. Sorry guys.
Absolutely this, too many different types of female to group them together like that.
In my experience, some chick are fairly attracted to me and others wont give me an inch... It's because my personality is very hit and miss, I'm poor and slightly strange, character and decent looks only get you so far I suppose.
>Also: women are strange in that if you are already with a girl/girls, they will want you all the more.
Its not really strange. Its a real easy measure of if you are fuckable and worth the time if a woman is already investing in you.
Doesn't work the other way around though, since most men intrinsically respect an alpha or even a beta's mate.
Not always though, there is no catch all in sex and love.
I think it depends on the individual receiving the interest.
Like I wouldn't mind if an ugly girl got confident around me, I would politely turn her down, unless she was like .5/10 buttfuck retarded looking, I might cringe a little and say "gross" just to spite the bitch for thinking she can talk to me.
But, yknow, it's all about perspective.
For real, is this guys face altered with photoshop? He looks like a lanky alien, fucking twayliens.
>Try to debate it femwhores.. you are all extremely superficial and care about nothing but how a man's face looks.
Wow I am so sorry if I only wanna fuck a guy I find attractive. Shocking isn't it?
Furthermore, going off of what this poster has said, if you really did lose the genetic lottery it will be extremely hard to find someone more attractive than you without other overpowering assets, and then that still may not improve the situation. If that is the case, stop going after girls out of your league and crying about the odds being against you in the first place.
I added some girl I never talked to on FB a few years ago because I knew her at college.
I found out she was single and I sent her a picture of my 9 inch cock.
We got married a year later and we're teaching ours daughters how to suck cock.
Well it goes to show just how much I want an answer, right? Given as much money and resources as I have, I still can't find an answer. So now I'm coming to /b/ and hoping that another anon might post some piece of advice that just might click for me and solve the biggest problem in my life.
If unnattractive men and unnattractive women would stop reproducing, the world would be a better place. Imagine a world where everyone is incredibly handsome and beautiful and socially capable.
And league doesn't just apply to the scale physical attractiveness.
If you're average looking with no personality, poor social skills or worthwhile interests and go after an average looking girl with a decent personality, mentionable interests and/or basic social skills don't expect her to fall into your lap.
Look who it is again, ID Heaven. I'm fed up with your shit faggot. The other day when you called me a newfag, yeah, haven't forgotten about that yet. Fuck you I've been on here for months and probably get on here more than you anyways. Don't you know that you make yourself look like a newfag when you call others newfag? Just because you learned how to hack your name and change it to "Heaven" does not give you the right to disrespect anyone at any time.
Fat ugly ass shit beard,I can tell by your posting..I could fuck your bitch you mad?
I wouldn't even want to because she's probably just as wierd and her hairs just as fucking greasy as yours.
i know a lot of girls like that ... poor girls are trash
also natural cute girls/guys are usually product of a lot of years of a good life and good education (not only school/college , also good moral and other things)
ITT: buttmad permavirgins gather for a circlejerk of bigotry and generalising to renew the ghost of their self-esteem and keep the pistol out of their mouth for another 24-hours.
Protip: you have no social skills ergo your displays of "confidence" (ie telling girls they're beautiful and would love to meet up with them on facebook comments) are in fact creepy-as-fuck gestures of maladjusted harrassment.
>asks plain question
>illiterate faggot gets pissed because the white man didn't teach him to read
>dodge questions to avoid whippings
>asked even plainer question
>immediatly overcompensates for prior actions
>back in the field nigger
One problem is that "attractive" and "ugly" are only subjective opinions. When you just meet someone, you don't know what they like yet.
Worrying about what people look like only really matter for making babies, not sex for pleasure. These preferences are ingrained into people mainly to know what your offspring with them would be like. But if you aren't being driven by your baby instincts, it really doesn't make a difference.
Also, I'd say that money and social status are basically imaginary bullshit for whoever likes to believe in that sort of thing. If women really want to find a provider, they should look for survival skills. Being able to hunt, fight, climb, skydive, etc are *real* survival skills which work regardless of what people think of you, and require no bullshitting. Many women claim to want support and security - but what they really want is *comfort*, and most of them get more fat and lazy over time.
And why waste time worrying about what *their* criteria are? Spend some time thinking about what sort of woman you would rather be with. Wanting to pursue any willing partner just smacks of desperation, which is a strong turnoff. Don't worry about whether or not you are getting laid. Concentrate on having a life worth sharing, and being with women who are actually worth the trouble. If and when you may find them.