Long story short, I'm considering joining a local kendo dojo to help with conditioning and just for fun.
I'm noticing the armour is as expensive as fuck.
Does anyone here practice kendo, would you recommend it to your average person, and why?
Also, how long does this thousand dollar suit of armour last, goddamn?
Any fun kendo stories other than
>I hit him first, shit was so cash
The armor should last you forever if you take decent care of it, it's hard to damage while practicing correctly. I've been running my $600 set for 10 years now no problem.
I love kendo, but I don't know how average people really think of it. I only started it because I'm basically swordsexual and thought it was cool to begin with.
Every video i see of kendo the guys are middle aged tubs of shit, if you really want to get in better shape and learn a more practical set of skills then do a grappling or striking martial art.
Well, I stopped doing karate because there was no sparring whatsoever, and its kind of important to do that, in my opinion.
Kendo looks cool to watch, a little more involved than fencing, at least.
As I browse various bogu stores, I'm seeing a lot of opportunity to bling out your armour, which I assume is 100% shamefur dispray, but its also rather tempting.
I'm committed to trying kendo out, worst case scenario I've bought a fun bamboo sword to beat my kids with.
Shills get out
That being said OP, he's partly right in that just doing kendo alone won't make you fit, same as a lot of other sports. Don't expect to be able to eat like a fatass, I mean.
Don't bother blinging out your gear, it's not really worth it and you don't even know if you'll like kendo yet.
I do a lot of weightlifting on a regular basis, so its not going to be my only activity, though it will be my main cardio activity because, oh my god, fuck cardio so bad.
Thanks for your tips.
Not a huge fan of the dudes that bjj tends to attract. Not trying to paint the whole style with one brush, but I'm not confident enough in my resume to get the requisite face and neck tattoos that are required for your first belt stripe at the local bjj dojo.
From my experience, bjj is more likely to attract nerdy stoner types rather than what you said. Those guys get tapped by a skinny blue belt in their first session and quit because it hurts their ego too much.
If youre looking for fitness and a lot of sparring then bjj should defenitely be one of your top choices.
I'm genuinely curious, do BJJ shills go into wrestling threads and suggest the undertaker start training with the gracies if he wants to win another wrestlemania?
This thread isn't about BJJ, in case the topic, subject and all subsequent conversation wasn't a good enough indicator.
He says that he wants to get in shape and quit karate because he wanted to spar more. Bjj is a better option for someone with those interests instead of telling them to spend a thousand dollars on gear and even more on anime LARP classes.
When I did kendo, briefly, you did alot of suburi, and then you ran drills for a hour or so, after than you did paired stuff and students who had been there long enough sparred. generally you had to train several months before they let you put gear on, and then you had be be able to get through practice with the gear on.
so very aerobic, I would say judo was tougher is some ways, but kendo was hardly a walk in the park
>spending $1000 on gear as a beginner
O i am laffin
If op wanted to do bjj I'm sure he'd have already considered it.
Anyway, any jodan players in here? I'm trying to transition after 7 years with chuudan, and could use some tips. I'm supposed to push against the handle and tsuba with my right hand for added force, right? It feels awkward trying to stop a full speed swing with just my left hand though. Is it just a matter of working on wrist strength?
Chuudan is the "basic" stance, where you stand with your shinai in front of you. Jodan is "high" stance, where you start with your shinai already raised over your head, and most people also put their left foot forward in this stance instead. With it, you have increased range and attacking speed, as well as it being harder to hit to get hit on men in neutral, but it's more advanced than chuudan, and has it's own disadvantages.
There is one other situational stance, two others that are only really used in kenjutsu (not illegal for kendo, just generally impractical for tournaments), and a different fighting style using two swords, but you shouldn't really worry about anything but chuudan if you're new to kendo.
Are you telling me you've been standing one way for seven years when there's a handful of ways to stand?
Chuudan is the most balanced stance, if we're looking at this like a video game. I didn't really have an interest in jodan before, since it doesn't really match how I fight, but I'm learning it now since I've had trouble fighting it in the past, and it'd be good to learn how to fight with it to go against it.
...also because I'm an 18 year old weeb who finds nito ryu totally badass and wants to learn it, but gets that I should learn jodan before that.
Besides, it doesn't get boring even after so long with chuudan tbqh senpai. Every match is exciting since every one is a chance to master a technique.
Ah, your age excuses you. I'm familiar with how MA classes treat youth.
>here's a stance, keep doing it for as long as your parents write the cheques, if you stick around after 18 I might teach you something else
Not really, the vast majority of kendoka use chuudan to begin with. I've been taught jodan anyway, I just never liked it enough to pursue it.
Having multiple flashy stances doesn't matter, chuudan is the most effective one anyway. You can try using shit like hassou no kamae or waki kamae in a match, but you'll just get your shit kicked in.
yep, you'll know yourself if you want to buy the armour.
Don't know what sort of Kendo you guys are doing\seeing. Kendo at my Dojo is brutal exercise and even the older middle aged and senior players are surprisingly vigorous and have incredible speed and stamina. Competitive level people I see are all also really fit athletes.
stop talking shit on what you have no idea about
Yeah, if you try training in the armour without conditioning first you're prone to collapsing with exhaustion and just fucking up your technique.
Uniform and armour is dyed with a natural indigo dye which is microbial and Asians don't really get much BO anyway. I'm yet to smell anything offensive.
Here's a fag that's never trained any striking martial arts before. There's an on guard position and its used because it works.
Any nito players in here? I'm not really interested in starting it, but the post above got me curious. How do you get the most power out of swinging your daito? In jodan, you use your right hand to push the shinai for speed and power, but you don't have the ability to do that with two swords. In double jodan sure, but that's a super situational kamae.
From the little I've seen of kendo, it seems like simply trying to break your opponent's guard would be a viable tactic in and of itself. I see a lot of stick waggling with loose grip, and I feel like a proper overhead smash would hit the target a reasonable percentage of the time.
Not taking into account footwork, of course, because everyone is a ninja that could never be hit.
Are the shinai just too fragile to allow for power blows?
Not really. There's even a series of techniques dedicated to bashing or moving away your opponent's shinai. But even if a grip looks loose, disarms almost never happen at higher levels with opponents of equal standing.
You can actually block a full power swing without too much problem, but as you mentioned, the footwork involved makes it impractical to use in the first place when you consider counterattacks. Also, you should remember that kendo is closer to a sport than realistic sword fighting per say, which is why 2 of the 5 main stances almost never see use (situationally useful in a realistic swordfight, not as useful for tournament style matches that focus on speed).
You get a few seconds to strike a blow. After that, the judges will call for you to go back to the center. It's the same if a player falls down too, whether by being tackled or just slipping.
Honestly, I'm not completely sure. I was taught to go for the hit everytime, but I learned at a kumdo school, and the claim seems to be Koreans have a more aggressive mindset/fighting style in matches.
I was in the Kendo club in college, it's a lot of fun and great cardio. I'd recommend it because it's got the fun and intensity of a combat sport without the risk of serious injury like judo or boxing. The worst I've ever seen people get hurt in kendo is some light bruising, I also did judo in college and I personally broke my ankle, my friend got a concussion, another friend had his cornea damaged, everyone fucked up their fingers at some point, etc.
You probably will not be allowed to even wear the armor or spar for a long time, so go ahead and join before you buy anything. They'll have extra shinai for you to use there, but you'll probably want to buy your own quickly. The instructor should tell you when you're ready for the armor and other members can help you pick it out. It should last you for the rest of your life if you buy quality. There is no need to spend as much as 1000$, you can get a high quality armor for around 500. When I practiced the best website for buying gear was e-bogu.com. Hope that helps.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that no combat sport is going to make you fit just by itself. It doesn't matter if its kendo, boxing, judo, wrestling, etc. you need to do conditioning on your own time. Most of the guys in the kendo and judo clubs, including myself, did weightlifting on their own time.
I can't call their products low quality, but those shipping prices make me cry.
Also op, you probably shouldn't try to buy especially high quality gear right off the bat; like this guy says, a $500 set of gear is good enough to last you forever, and a cheap $30 shinai is fine too. The more expensive ones are geared for people who participate in tournaments and are experienced enough to actually prefer slight differences in weight and so forth.
Sometimes I see people crossing swords and body slamming each other in kendo matches. Is that allowed?
Because I'm a bigguyitwouldbeextremelypainful4u and I feel like that could be a good tactic.
kata are the foundations of all kenjutsu, and they were and are very effective training methods, kendo armor was not even developed until a hundred years of peace had ensued, and in the classical systems kendo style sparring was a supplement to paired kata. Many of the older, rural styles never even implemented them
The only effective way of training to fight is to fight.
Practical kendo is closer to a martial art than kata are.
This is why everyone here mocks CMAs, because they're all kata, and kata don't mean shit. They're good cardio, but that's all.
kenjutsu kata and CMA kata are two different things.
kenjutsu and the kendo kata are two person drills, the "loser" is always the senior, whose job is to push the student to harder and harder.
At the same time more freestyle and random elements were introduced as the student advanced.
They can be very fast paced, the can be unpredictable, and because of the weapons they can be dangerous.
There is a saying from one style: kata should be done with an air of distrust.
You dont assume what will happen, and if the teacher can see that you are making assumptions then they may take advantage of your lack of focus.
At the same time a kata might have variations and you will not know which one is coming at you.
in some schools the kata might only serve as a starting point for freestyle work
It can very from school to school of course, some might use all those methods, some might use none, some might do something completely different but this is an overview
I would love it if a sensei thought I was bored with kata and wordlessly turned it into sparring.
This has literally never happened though.
Every tma sensei I've ever had completely drank the koolaid on kata, and used it to take up 80% of a class. I used to do a martial art that was completely graded on kata. All the way up to tenth dan. I didn't stick around too long.
I don't know what you trained in but koryu kenjutsu tends to be structured quite a bit differently than most "TMA" at least in those schools that are more than preservation societies
To my knowledge, the only perk of carbon fiber shinai is the durability. Hasegawa for example, gives a life time warranty on their carbon fiber shinai. However, for use in training they increase pain for motodachi (recently talked to a guy who got his ribs broken from a missed do, due to his training partner using carbon fiber) and raises the risk of getting tennis elbow. Basically it's a good insurance if you manage to break all your bamboo shinai at a competition, but unless you're a hardcore competitor it's pretty useless.
If you want to try out different styles of shinai, there's a ton of different bamboo variants to try, I would recommend that before considering carbon fiber. For example, I recently switched from regular shinai to dobari and have noticed a huge difference in how it handles.
>But even if a grip looks loose, disarms almost never happen at higher levels with opponents of equal standing.
Nishimura literally won this years all japan championship by disarming his opponents. But yeah, that's the exception to the rule.
Nah, they're all the same length, well aside from women's and children's shinai. Dobari are fatter at the base, shifting the weight distribution towards the grip and making the point lighter.
Anyone know a way to check the dan rank of a instructor with FIK, koryu lineage or something like that? I'm also thinking about joining a local kendo dojo that is affiliated with the my country's kendo federation which is affiliated with FIK. Point is, they seem legit, but I just wanna be extra sure.
I was practicing Iaido at another place, but when I started it I didn't know much about everything so some stuff didn't strike me as odd but others did, and when the teacher instructed me to buy a clearly cheap decorative sword replica from an auction site to practice iaido everything just went 'click' "am I at one of those McDojo things?".
And so I went looking for somewhere with a better reputation/qualification and all that.
Yeah, that's why I decided to look for a better place.
When I searched better about the art and practice, things just seemed off. so the point is is there a way to check the qualifications? On some site or something.
Its unlikely they could tell you whether his linage was valid. The problem with iaido schools like Eishin ryu is there are so many lines, with so many members you really have to know what your looking for.
If he has certification from the national kendo federation he is probably legit, but pointing you to a wall hanger raises a lot of troubling questions
I think I must have mixed things up in the explanation: the one who pointed me to a wall hanger is not affiliated to the national kendo federation.
Because of that, and some oddities, I decided to look for a more qualified place to practice. This dojo that I now found is affiliated to the federation, participates in national events, etc... I also had the chance to go to one of the practices and it really helped clear my mind.
Here we have some ""kenjutsu"" schools and I did not want to fall on one of those traps.
not saying that kenjutsu is fake or anything.
I guess I will start practicing kendo soon.
Anyways, thanks for the tips.
kendo world had some really great stuff on it at one point, alot of people with high dan ranks commenting on various things. Its fairly dead now but you can find some interesting stuff if you use the search function
you hit them, you always hit them. There is no bushido bullshit in a tournament match. You just fucking hit them. (but only once, unless they're a dick).
if they drop there sword or trip and you don't hit them, you get half a point
Technically, blisters should be kept whole, covered in soft wrapping. They're a very effective way for the body to heal its own damage.
But that shit takes like a week, ain't no kendoka got time for that.
Hi kendofags. My friend claims that someone trained in this armed with a shinai could defend themselves in a street fight/potentially kill. I'm arguing they can't because from what I can see, you guys mostly do speed based light taps in matches and use just bamboo sticks. Mind enlightening me? I want to settle this peacefully.
the second, though I dont think the shiai would do enough damage to stop someone determined unless you stabbed them in the throat or hit them somewhere vulnerable, they would be on you before they would be out.
why use a shinai when you could use something hard and blunt? or just a real sword?
A shinai will hurt a lot and you can give a concussion, but if the guy really wanted to hurt you, he could get past it. A tsuki (stab to the throat) would likely be fatal, but that's just opening a whole lot of legal trouble.
A bokken on the other hand is a whole different story.
If you're willing to kill you could remove the leather tip and go for the eyes i guess, people have died from broken tips in kendo (bamboo through the eye).
That's probably a very bad idea legally unless the other guy has a knife. And i doubt you'll have time to remove the tip in that situation. Or even have a shinai in the first place, but nevermind that.
I don't know what's so far fetched about a slat sliding through the mask, eye, and brain, and it's not like anybody is saying it to look badass. It mostly seems to be said to justify newbies not being allowed to use tsuki.
Kendo armor is not remotely full though. That said it's rather unlikely that hits outside the armor will kill.
Well, you still have a portion of your arms, legs and ribs exposed (talking about the front).
Legs are not valid targets, but someone mentioned a broken rib earlier in this thread, someone missed the do, most likely hitting close to the armpit.
Yeah, but it is not a full armor.
Not even talking about the back, that has almost no protection, if you count the uwagi, hakama and himos as that. If it's just about "smacking each other with light sticks".