Post your favorite botches
Mankinds infamous Hell in a Cell with The Undertaker was an entire botchfest, but one that pretty much made Mick Foley a living legend.
How much was actually planned differs on each persons telling. Some say both bumps were planned (this claim mainly comes from Terry Funk), some say only one, some say neither. One thing for sure though is that neither went the way they were meant to.
The first fall off the cell through the announcers table dislocated Micks shoulder, but being the absolute mad man he is he decided to carry on. The second bump through the cage took a chair along with it that smashed into Micks face and legitimately knocked him out cold, along with several of his teeth (one of which is clearly visible sticking out of his face), and dislocating his jaw.
It also led to an added air of infamy for The Hell in a Cell, which was still a rather new concept at the time (only the 3rd HIAC ever). So this managed to build it as a legitimate potential career ending match.
What the fuck are wrestlers thinking when they come up with spots like these? What is it even meant to look like? The only thing saving things like that are camera angles/cuts, one reason wrestling always looks stupid when you see it recorded from the back of the arena with no audio.
>The drop through the cage roof was not planned
Terry Funk claims it was, but in fairness i don't believe Funk at all. The look of pure shock in Takers eyes is not something even the best actor could do. Plus literally everyone but Funk says that wasn't supposed to happen at all. Funk is old and has taken way too many bumps to know what the fuck he's talking about.
Haha, oh god the whole Mankind Taker HiaC was a work. It was a brilliant, era-defining match But it was a pure work from start to end.
Watch the full match closely - there are tells in every stage of the fight. They start on the roof. Mick drops a chair into a "safe" square of the cage - putting down the chair so that they remember where to stand while they brawl.
However, even as they step through to the safe spot, they both nearly fall through because the cage itself is weakened. There was supposed to be another minute or so fighting up top before the throw onto the desk, but they called that spot early because it seemed dangerous.
Also, you've got to think about it - after mick went off the edge and through the desk, why did they both climb back up if there wasn't another spot up there? They had the thumb tacks ready, etc so there was clearly a 2nd spot for the roof which meant they had to go up there again, but that they also had a way to come down to do the thumb tacks.
Add that to the collapsing corner of the roof panel in the first minute of the match, you have an obvious sign that this was a work.
I want to add that it is better as a work, too. Hardcore botches are just dumb accidents from clumsy thugs. Worked bumps take real professional skill. not athletic/wrestling ability, but stunt co-ordination.
Trust half of what you see, and trust none of what you hear.
Totally. It represents why Attitude was so good - they knew everyone was smart to the "entertainment" side of the business, but had people on board who had taken real bumps in their time - that whole Attitude era commercial "This isn't real? This doesn't hurt? Try lacing my boots..." Hell in a Cell was the thing I would show to anyone who cussed wrasslin at the time. And I found it was really popular - non-wrestle fans love that match more than any other.
Well my originally point was work or not, it doesn't matter, because it was still certainly botched to shit because of Micks serious injuries.
No way was the chair meant to knock his lights out for example
I'm not saying it wasn't planned. I'm just saying things don't always go according to plan. Both spots on the cage were probably planned ahead of time, but the difference between them is that with the first one Mick could sort of brace for the impact, whereas with the cage breaking on the second one, he really had no way to prepare himself for falling through and landing on the chair as well. I think the second one at least didn't quite go as planned.
>Paige not there, nikkis fault
Is there anybody who thinks Naomi is hot?
Nikki wouldn't be fit to lace Molly's boots back in the day.
Foley said in his book that the plan was for him to get chokeslammed and then for Taker to throw him off the cage (again). What backs that claim up is that's exactly what Lawler was setting up for right before the chokeslam-- "If he throws him off the other side, there's--"
"Nothing for him to land on", presumably.