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He got booed out of the building at the Royal Rumble for a second year in a row.

He'll get booed out of the building at Wrestlemania when he goes over HHH. (Don't say otherwise, there's absolutely no way this isn't happening)

When is this company going to realize the fans don't want Reigns? Even with marks/casuals he's only mildly over. He'll be the least over wrestler to main event Wrestlemania for a second year in a row. And they could do so much better with their current roster. Guys like Ambrose are significantly more over, and have been perpetually more over, than Reigns ever has been. And imagine what they could do with guys like Ziggler and Bray Wyatt with proper booking.

Seriously, it boggles my mind they're going to waste the main event of Wrestlemania putting over a guy nearly everyone loathes (and this time without someone like Rollins to bail them out).
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They should turn him heel. Even have him ally with authority or something. It would work.

It is obvious he is disliked and will never be liked, or even between-liked on a Cena level.
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No one was really booing him but Smarks. Roman entering at #1 got a bigger pop than AJ Styles.
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>>909872
Are you deaf? The whole place was fucking booing Reigns during his entrance.
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>>909833
It's their fault for over pushing him. They have literally booked him as unstoppable the past few months, and fans hate when this hallens. That is how Cena got his backlash. Not saying to stop pushing Roman, but they can tone the shit down a bit!
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>>909833
He's good but they really need to find smarter ways to get him over
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>>909872
Listen I'm a Reigns fan and I'll say that's fucking bullshit you liar
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WWE can only improve when the bottom dregs and plebeian leeches stop watching.

These are the only people remaining after Cena pushed everyone else away.

Roman Reigns pushing people away would therefore have a positive effect.
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>>909872
Yeah, right, the pop was so loud they had to mute the crowd.
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>>909872
>Roman entering at #1 got a bigger pop than AJ Styles.
are you deaf? Aj got one of the biggest pops in a long time.
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>>909890
>>909951
>>909983
>>910089
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>>909833
I lost my remaining hope tonight. They were trying to convince you it's not the Roman show. The thing they could've done would've been to cheat Roman out of the win early to drive excitement up throughout the match. Everything else regarding the show I thought was great which makes it's worse. The had a chance at resetting everything and the fucked it up once again
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Realistic WM card
>Sting vs. Taker
>HHH vs. Reigns
>Brock vs. Bray w/ Wyatts
>New Day vs. Dudley Boyz vs Usos
>Sasha vs. Charlotte
>Kalisto vs. Owens
>AJ, Anderson, Graves, and Ambrose vs. League of Nations
I'm not sure if the IC belt is still real
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>>910351
strange part is that Roman is being booked like a heel. he attacked HHH first and despite being able to walk he still went to the back tonight like a bitch. oh and he got booed out of the building and was only cheered when he was eliminated
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>>909872

> Roman entering at #1 got a bigger pop than AJ Styles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seVdI6FGjk0
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I remember when SHEBD was still going, I looked at Reigns and thought that with some carefully picked feuds in the midcard, and a few runs with the IC/US titles, Reigns would be ready to be a main event player by 2017-18. You know, first give him a few years to mature in the ring, as well as connect with the fans and develop his character beyond "big Samoan SHEBD guy that powerbombs people." But instead, near the end of SHEBD and after, they shoved a rocket up Reigns' ass when neither he nor the fans were ready for that.
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>>909951
>a reigns fan
>tripcunt

Jesus fuck.
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>>909833
I wouldn't have even minded Reigns winning if he had worked the entire Rumble.
But him taking a 20 minute break out of the ring was hot garbage
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>AJ Styles will NEVER be the champ
>Benoit was 5'11" and they called him a midget and buried him right after he won the belt
>His fan pop means nothing, they'll do him like D-Bry and give him a 2 year vacation under the guise of a fake injury just to cool down his pop
>Not only is Vince attracted to monsters, but he HATES talent he didn't personally develop (or thinks he developed)
>The midcard is overpopulated and the midcard belts mean nothing, the IC strap looks like a toy
>Vince is too fucking stupid to facilitate a brand split to diversify ppv cards and take some of the heat off Reigns. Biggest reason people hate Reigns is that there can only be one champ and his push comes at the expense of every other over-as-fuck midcarder
>Vince will still be calling it all when he's 95
>WWE waited too long as usual and recruited him when he's 38, older than DDP was when WCW called him up
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>>910408

oh fuck i remember the Miller Catfight Girls... fuck man
>fucking Coach though

My critiques of your actual card though:

1. Nobody REALLY wants this.
*Triple H carried last year's match against Sting, and if half of the match wasn't "Monday Night Wars come to life," the match would've gotten really boring, really fast. Sting can't carry a match.
*Bray Wyatt carried the match against Undertaker last year. Even then, it wasn't that great of a match. The entrances were as long as the fucking match....
Putting 1 and 1 together, Sting vs Undertaker would be a shit show, and it would not (nor could not, even) live up to the hype. Everyone would be extremely disappointed.
>then again, they've said that however Undertaker wants to go out, they're going to do it. He could request to beat fifty guys in a handicapped match, and WWE would find a way to make it happen - because of how much they jerk off to him, even a decade after he was last good.

2. yes. Reigns goes over
3. yes. the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse interfere, Wyatt wins
4. interesting. Quite possible. Shitty they fucked the Dudleyz by letting Swagger and Henry fuck up the Royal Rumble for their combined minute
5. yes. Fuck yes. Fucking yes. Legit Boss is going to fucking ruin her.
6 and 7: no. Where the fuck did you pull that out of? It's going to be Owens vs. AJ Style, and possibly the League of Nations vs. the three Wyatt family members
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>>910667
>>Vince is too fucking stupid to facilitate a brand split to diversify ppv cards and take some of the heat off Reigns. Biggest reason people hate Reigns is that there can only be one champ and his push comes at the expense of every other over-as-fuck midcarder

that's never been a problem for anyone else in their history. brand split was and is dumb. if it's not gonna be real (aka a whole new brand with a new name, not just a tv show with different colored ropes) there's no point
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>>910667

you make two muddled points, but there's a combined point:

WWE loves to bring in people from other promotions, make them job to people, and then fucking destroy them. They may get a secondary belt (like the WCW/World Heavyweight belt), but they ultimately are a jobber to the stars. Those being Vince's stars.

>DDP jobbed to Undertaker
>Goldberg jobbed to Triple H
>Kevin Nash jobbed to his best friend Triple H
>Sting jobbed to Triple H
>Samoa Joe is jobbing to NXT rookies
>Three of the Radicalz jobbed. When you have Perry Saturn in love with a mop, you know you've fucked them good. Eddie only made something of himself because there was no way to hold him back. Everyone loved him too much.

AJ Styles is going to job to some of WWE's jack-off material, then get buried.
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>>910698
NXT doesn't count?

We need NXT to be the developmental roster, RAW to be the total divas manly soap opera meme roster, and Smackdown to be the veteran wrestling roster. When I say veteran, I'm not talking about ancient monsters, I'm talking about talented people who spent a decade in the indies who are stuck on RAW jobbing to Sheamus and doing comedy skits. I'm also talking about NXT rookies ready to move inot a bigger league.
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They should have turned him heel (Reigns), because then they'd get the right response.

He had a chance of staying face, right up until they brought in AJ at #3...

They saw what happened when they put Roman over a fan favorite at a RR (DBry last year), so what did they do? They brought in AJ... in Florida, at a PPV, in front of a bunch of NXT fans. It wasn't like AJ was 1 of 10 guys in the ring at the time... it was him vs. Reigns at that point. I'm glad that AJ came in when he did, because he got to get the intro and pop he deserves, but what idiot in creative thought that particular crowd would do anything but boo the shit out of anyone who touched AJ?

They let Owens eliminate him, which was the right choice, since they've been building Owens as a heel, and in front of a crowd like that, you need a heel (or someone you want to be a heel), eliminate AJ.

I honestly don't know where Vince books AJ now, because he's another DB. He's going to be over no matter what you do. He can send him back to NXT, but that just builds the Bullet Club stable.

>pic related
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>>910716
>jack-off material
what
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>>910716

I wouldn't say people hate Reigns because he's getting over at the expense of others.

People hate Reigns because of the ridiculous push they gave him. Everyone hated when he won the Rumble at the expense of others, yes (look at The Rock's face when the fucking Rock got booed for holding up Roman's hand afterwards - they booed the fucking Rock).

Vince has made mistakes before, but he corrected them. What really made the fans hate Roman is because they kept. fucking. pushing him.
>The sketch with Mark Henry
>"I didn't believe in you, Roman, but now I do!"
Shit like that was just fucking ridiculous. They might as well have just showed Vince sitting in the production truck, sucking Dwayne's cock, as he muffled "yes" as the Rock demanded they put over his cousin.
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>>910667
>AJ Styles will NEVER be the champ
people said that exact same thing about Daniel Bryan and Benoit won multiply world titles you retard.
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>>910729
Also we need to stop calling it fucking Smackdown, Rocky can take his memes to Hollywood and fuck off.
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>>910742
>jack-off material
>what

As another anon mentioned before, Vince loves the people HE created. If someone got famous in the indies/WCW/etc., Vince either gave them a new gimmick, or just made them job before burying them.

Foley became Mankind because Vince didn't like Cactus Jack.

CM Punk was put in OVW and buried until Paul Heyman saved him

Daniel Bryan was fired on his first night

Not to mention the WCW/ECW invasion was one big storyline to fuck all of them. Almost nobody stayed long-term, because they weren't Vince's products.

tl;dr Vince jacks off to the people he created
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>>910696
Miller catfight girls were unexpectedly hot
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>>910696
Oh, I know nobody wants this.

That hasn't stopped WWE yet. They just made HHH the WHC.
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>>910764

nothing will ever beat The Kat taking off her top after the mud match or whatever it was, though

after Slaughter was "late" coming in with the towel
>don't have the gif on this computer, or I'd post it
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>>910741
He was booked like a heel, a true face will stay on that match or just sit around and get up after a few minutes and not hide in the gorilla for 20 minutes

The run-in 15 minutes earlier was unnecessary and it hurt Reigns more than it helped him
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>>910769

I agree with the first two sentences, but Triple H still has it. Sure, he's not 25 anymore, but that doesn't mean he's not good. Shawn was pretty old when he retired, and he could still be the showstopper. Even Vince was pretty old when he'd have his matches with Austin.
>With people like Flair, Taker, and Sting, yes, they sometimes wrestle past their prime and milk them, but not everyone is shit after a certain age.
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>>910777

trips speak the truth

1. The logic of the run-in was just ridiculous. Why not throw him over the top, THEN beat him down. Or beat him down in the ring, THEN throw him out and continue the beating? Yes, it's planned, but you still have to give an air of plausibility.
>Austin was out most of his Rumble, but that's because he was "in an ambulance on the way to the hospital" - not just sucking it up backstage

2. There was no run-in for Triple H. Sheamus was supposedly in the match still? (Who fucking knows anymore...) They should have done the beatdown after Triple H came out - that would've actually made sense.

3. Pussying out is a heel move, totally. Miz doing commentary instead of getting in the ring was great. Vince did the same thing when he was in the Rumble. Someone else sat outside and hid for like half the match in the mid-2000's (don't remember who). It's a great heel thing to sit out and take a break - and Roman wasn't supposed to be a fucking heel.
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>>910716
-You got me on DDP, they buried him hard.
-Goldberg wasn't a good fit for the attitude/ruthless aggression transition. People chanted boring in his matches because they didn't respect WCW's Cena coming in and shitting on wrestlers they liked for years.
-Nash just wanted a paycheck. He hammed up his promos so bad because he didn't give a shit and he knew HHH would give him a job because HHH will always be desperate to belong in the kliq.
-Sting losing in his debut was embarrassing to watch. Worst part was having HHH's friends come out as Sting's only backup.
-Samoa Joe is a fatass with a limited arsenal who only got over in NXT for lack of competition.
-Benoit and Guerrero didn't job. Malenko almost never lost but he was boring in the same way as Goldberg. Saturn I'll give you.
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>>910796
I think they made the decision that letting him sell all those finishers in front of the French announcers' table in a smarky crowd would initiate "Roman is sleeping chants" so they had him carted off to the back

However he should have returned after 5-6 superstars came in and not when Sheamus finally showed up, anything less would be no-selling on his part

He's not even gassed since he was trading blows with AJ and Jericho
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>>910763
>Not to mention the WCW/ECW invasion was one big storyline to fuck all of them. Almost nobody stayed long-term, because they weren't Vince's products.
And the ones who did stay were the ones who betrayed WCW during the MNWs.
>Jericho
>Beeg
>Etc.
No matter how old and fat these people get, they'll always cut a check to serve as an example of Vince rewarding betrayal.
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>>910808

I think they used Goldberg pretty well to begin with. I was a fan then, and I enjoyed it
....then they fucking handcuffed him inside the elimination chamber. and that was the dumbest fucking shit I've ever seen. They might as well have used a taser on him while he tried grabbing viagra on a pole...

Nash always just wanted a check. He fucked the WCW over while shoveling money into a wheelbarrow. Nash never gave a fuck about the business - he was just a basketball reject who needed a job
>Trips was always the designated driver; he was always going to have a spot in the kliq

agreed on Sting. I felt that was such a waste. made me sad.

My point wasn't that Samoa Joe was great - my point was they brought in someone with indie cred so that he could job - that was his purpose all along

malenko never got over, and never got pushed. they didn't necessarily bury him just for fun, but he never went anywhere after the first couple months.
Benoit and Guerrero were buried in the beginning. After their mini-invasion, all four were put in the background. For Eddie, it was his storyline with Chyna that let him rise to the top - which was Vince's storyline. Benoit was shoved aside for years. He was in WWE for years before getting his big push - essentially starting at the bottom and working his way up. In both cases, they didn't come in as stars and be stars; they came in as stars, got put on the shelf, and worked their way up.
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>>910777
The crowd was marking out for Rusev of all people just because he hurt Reigns. Ziggy got a massive pop when it legit looked like he would flip Roman over the ropes.
>>910796
>Miz doing commentary instead of getting in the ring was great
You thought so too? I'm not a Miz fan because I think he's a pussy, but his ability to make you hate him as a heel AND want to see him get what's coming to him is a rare quality nowadays. Most heels get cheered.
>>910815
I think they carted him to the back because the fans were chanting holy shit and Vince doesn't want to offend his target audience of titty-babies.
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>>910763
>If someone got famous in the indies/WCW/etc., Vince either gave them a new gimmick, or just made them job before burying them.
That's not what he did with Rey Mysterio.
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>>910843
They were chanting holy shit during the Ambrose/Fatty match
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>>910777
match rules didn't make sense either. why not just throw him in the ring and back out, since apparently that's legal
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>>910847
There were a couple spots where that was actually warranted, though. They went a hell of a lot harder than I anticipated in a WWE match in [the current year].
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>>910819

Exactly. Everyone who came over after he bought WCW was just part of his war spoils. The people who stayed - pretty much all people who came before the sale - were mainly given new gimmicks or characters. "The Giant" became "The Big Show." Jericho went from a mouthy fag to a superstar mouthy fag. The Radicalz were given as a new gimmick as a group, when they weren't really connected in WCW (with their individual characters set aside).

In other words, Vince remade them into his own creations. Not just "loyalty" per se, but they were his.
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>>910848
also, why didn't the wyatts just stay in there and help bray the whole time
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>>910845

Obviously there are exceptions to every rule, but I wouldn't say Rey was given a big push. He mainly rose to fame because Eddie died. His push at the Royal Rumble, through Wrestlemania, only happened because of Eddie. Rey was a good mid-carder before that who was just too damn entertaining to hold back (like Eddie), but Rey wouldn't have been what he was if Eddie had lived.
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>>910857

he didn't need them, and it would've been pushing their luck to have all three eliminated men inside. generally at the rumble, people are allowed to interfere for awhile, but not all night. there was precedence for that

I thought it was great how they had them swarm when they were needed, and I found it plausible enough to get marked.
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>>910848
With the same logic Roman shouldn't have returned and he would have retained his championship
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>>910836
Nash always just wanted a check. He fucked the WCW over while shoveling money into a wheelbarrow. Nash never gave a fuck about the business - he was just a basketball reject who needed a job
He always played at legitimacy too. He had a match with Greg Valentine once after WCW went under and Nash went on a tirade before the match about how Valentine let himself go and Kevin still had the self-respect (read: roids) to stay in shape. He then proceeded to stiff the shit out of Greg for 15 minutes in front of a small audience... Just beating the shit out of an ancient manlet to feel good about himself.
>In both cases, they didn't come in as stars and be stars; they came in as stars, got put on the shelf, and worked their way up.
This isn't so much Vince as it is the crowd. The WWF crowd differed from the WCW crowd in that they valued technical skills less while valuing mic skills above all else. WWF's crowd considered mic skills to be memorable memes repeating nightly over the course of 10 years.
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>>910867
>comes out and shake's HHH's hand
>attack Ambrose
>HHH eliminates himself
>find out he made a deal with Vince backstage

only problem is they'd have no face set up to take him on
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>>910867

precedence with Curtis Axle shows that if someone doesn't return by 'the end, they're out. Curtis has a nice angle last year, but that was precedence-setting.
>Also, before Austin returned by ambulance when he won, he was considered out, and the match would've presumably ended without him
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>>910861
Do you think Eddie would also have killed a man if it was him that lived to wrestle on instead of Rey Mysterio?
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>>910870
any source on the Nash - GV deal? Sounds hilarious if dickish
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>>910872

>attack Ambrose
>no face set up to take him on

did you read what you wrote?

that would've set up another Warrior-Hogan title-for-title Wrestlemania match. That would've actually been a good idea
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>>910875
no, Eddie was never sloppy like that Rey Murdersterio Jr
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>>910878
>Roman yelling about taking care of his family
>Dean yelling "WE WERE BROTHERS ANAKIN!"
Better than HHH vs. Romaine.
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>>910878
well I mean even if Vince turned Roman, I doubt he would push Ambrose that far for such a big show but you never know I guess.

but yeah that would be in line with Roaming Rains IRL character of just trying to make it to the top no matter what
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>>910870

WCW fans cared about anything?

Their "technical skills" were shit. WCW was a bunch of old guys who had been famous a decade before (and young guys with talent who were relegated to sideshows on Thunder)

When the WWE Network did the Attitude Era replays of Raw, I went back and watched all of them. They were still fucking amazing today - way more entertaining than today's product. When I go back and watch WCW, it's just fucking shit. I like technicians like Benoit, Angle, Bryan, etc. But WCW had nothing. Fucking nothing. Other than the nWo for a year, until they fucked up that whole plot line and had nothing else to fall back on.
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>>910883
>taking care of his family

They fought twice last year when it became apparent that it's every man for himself
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>>910886

>Roaming Rains
needs a meme picture

>>910883
>we were brothers, anakin
kek
I actually like the setup, except for the fact that Reigns will go over. If Rollins comes back, or they do MITB at Fastlane, they could set something up - but I really hope they don't put Reigns over at Wrestlemania. And if they do, I hope 100k fans boo him out of the stadium
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>>910876
Taken off Youtube.
>>910873
I marked a little for Axel this year
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>>910892
>I hope 100k fans boo him out of the stadium
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>>910888
what are you talking about, they had the Cruisers/Luchas and lots of other talented guys on the midcard. Even Lex Luger gave a fuck for a couple of years
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>>910870
>The WWF crowd differed from the WCW crowd in that they valued technical skills less while valuing mic skills above all else.
Sorta. NWA fans were big on technical ability, but they weren't the whole WCW audience. The Eric Bischoff Variety Hour was meant to draw in fans of a lot of different styles and grow the industry.
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>>910888
Did they ever update the RAW listings? They used to just have a few "historic" raws.

2003 was a pretty good year for females, don't know why Vince is scared of tits now.
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>>910896

WCW did pioneer the cruiserweight division, I'll agree on that - something the WWF tried to copy
>which gave us Kaientai, fuck yes

But nobody gave a fuck about the cruisers. They were entertaining, but they were a side act. They didn't fit into the bigger picture. The talented cruisers all left for WWF because they knew they were never going anywhere, because of the glass ceiling WCW had for them
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>>910900
You're arguing with a guy who says he likes Benoit but that WCW had nothing comparable. Just think about that before continuing the discussion.
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>>910903

is is sad that I know the exact scene that's from, over a decade later?

They have some, but not a lot. Some years have 0 Raw replays, some have a few.
>2004 has 5
>2005 has 1
>2006 has 1
>no more until 1 in 2010
>no more until 2012, which has pretty much all of them
not sure what makes stuff be on there specifically
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>>910911
its funny
>wcw
basically went to mexico stole their lucha style and branded it cursierweight and even stole their top wrestlers
>wwf
wants that piece of the buy goes to japan and steals wrestlers from there.
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>>910920
Meant to address >>910896
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Guys keep on posting the hot divas. My dick is rock hard.
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>>910971
k
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More vintage Stephanie please
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>>910861
Rey was well known while eddie was alive, kids in my middle school wore his shirts and everything.
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roman looked like a bitch last night. he came out got jumped and taken to the back by way of stretcher, only to come back out and get tossed by triple h.
in contrast, brock lesner came out, threw out 3 guys; they came back and jumped him only he kicked their asses back out of the ring.

alpha male is alpha
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I don't think I can stand for AJ to be anything but WHC. Even the popular midcarders are fat and lazy, and it would be so refreshing to have a champ with more than 5 moves. Hell, more than 3. WM's gonna be a snoozefest.
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>>910971
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>>911129
I feel sad that Steph doesn't have her clown tits in the HD era. There's nothing worse than jacking off to grainy screencaps from 2002
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>>910971
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>>911164
Man, Booker has really put on some weight recently.
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>>909872
>. Roman entering at #1 got a bigger pop
nigga what

I just watched it, he got a yeeaa-BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

like 5 to 10% of the crowd reacted positively. Rusev got a bigger pop than that.
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>>910971
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>>910971
GOAT comin thru
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>>911185
That's not even a joke, I would fuck and impregnate ODB, she would produce powerful offspring
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Because you still watch it and pay to go to their shows. Vince is stubborn and always choose who he wants. If you was the CEO, why the fuck will I change anything if people are still paying me money?
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>>909872
Loudest face pops of the night order:

>AJ Styles
>Sasha Banks
>Sami Zayn = Brock Lesnar
>Everyone else
>Roman Reigns
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>>910408
HHH vs Reigns (God save us smarks)
Brock vs Bray
The New Day vs Jericho and a celebrity
Amborse vs Zayn vs Owens in a ladder match
Kallisto vs Nevile
Bullet Club vs The League of Nations
Andre Jobber Jamboree/ Ryback Invitational
Becky vs Charlotte in a steel cage match.


and maybe if they're both feeling better in 10 weeks UT vs Orton
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>>910667
Yeah, a brand split is a really good idea when 90% of the roster is injured.
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>>911190
Because then you can get even more money, not just the lazy money.
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>>911265
they have a brand split still, they're still running two separate world tours SD typically headlined by Amborse and Reigns and Raw headlined by the WWE champion and John Cena just works the televised events together.
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>>911204

> This smark revisionist history

Reigns got a cheer followed by the Rumblel smarks quickly jumping on the "BOOO REIGNS BOO" xD
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>>910089
>biggest pop in a long time

His music made the pop sound bigger than it was, go back and watch it several times
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>>911315

>Obsession
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>>909833
>with guys like Ziggler

You had me until here. Give the belt to Dolph and you're just creating a more hyperactive, shorter, spastic Jack Swagger.
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>>910577
>But instead, near the end of SHEBD and after, they shoved a rocket up Reigns' ass when neither he nor the fans were ready for that.

After the crowd turned on him, he should have been made into the Corporate heel. Now, it's too late and he may as well be X-Pac.
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>>911267

So CM Cuck was right?, Vince is a millionaire who could be a billionaire?
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>>911272
they've always had A and B shows, even in the 80s
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>>911355
Once upon a time he was a billionaire
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>>911350
I know it's cool to hate him, but he actually has gotten over when allowed
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>>910853
>They went a hell of a lot harder than I anticipated in a WWE match in [the current year].

For relying on actual wrestling and spots rather than surprise entrants, I have to agree I wouldn't expected something like this in [the current year] either.
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>>910879
>no, Eddie was never sloppy like that Rey Murdersterio Jr

Seriously, being so careless. What was Rey thinking?
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He has no cool heel cred at all, even Hogan was a heel who ended up getting cheered
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>>910971
>Guys keep on posting the hot divas. My dick is rock hard.

Ya dun goofed, anon.
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>>911146
Ah, the cartoon tits. Aided many a wrist exercise for me back in the day.
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>>911368
>I know it's cool to hate him, but he actually has gotten over when allowed

I don't hate him at all. I just think his level is below WHC, and he'll never get beyond that like Shawn and Jericho did.
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>>910590
Barely. Reigns used to be great. Summer 2014.
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>>911471
> less interesting guy in a match vs. Orton

"Great"
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>>909867
Crossfit Jesus feud is the best thing they can do. He doesn't even have to do anything different, he already acts like a heel. It will all revolve around Seth's face turn.
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>>911315
This is true but it was still a monster of a pop.
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>>911275
He always gets a short cheer before it's drowned out by boos, and it's always high pitched because it's clearly only the girls in the audience that husbando him. Reigns got blown the fuck out by indie shitters and you just have to face it.
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>>911315
Now you are really making excuses
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>>910408
1. Sting is still injured I think, no word if he'll ever come back
2. Gonna happen
3. Gonna happen
4. I don't know about this, New Day pretty much have no challengers left at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if the Tag Titles aren't even on the card
5. Gonna happen, although maybe a triple threat with Becky
6. I don't think this is going to happen because
7. I think AJ will go after the IC title and will face Owens for #1 contender at Fastlane, or maybe they do a Thriple Threat at WM with Ambrose, I dunno
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>>909867
All of that would come off as contrived and bullshit as fuck and would probably make everyone booo him more. He's denied the Authority countless times now and has beaten up everyone of their leaders except Steph. That ship has sailed. It's too late now.

So they need to make him a heel without the Authority, which means they have to turn the Authority face or it will be heel vs heel and ABAHALDJDJSKDHSFH FUCK
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>>909867
I think its gonna be too late if they delay Reigns heel turn much more
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>>911275
>revisionist history

You don't understand this expression.
>>
Cena vs Reigns

In a smark-ass city.

Who gets booed and who gets cheered?

Personally I think the crowd would cheer Cena.
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>>911628
>tfw you realise that Roman has been a work for years to get the smarks to finally cheer Cena
>>
They need to make him and Ambrose heels. They're both terrible faces.
>>
>>911628
Cena.

But it's more likely the crowd just shits on them both.
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>>911636
Ambrose is the most over full-time babyface in the company.
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>>911495
>it's always high pitched because it's clearly only the girls in the audience that husbando him.

Watch any reaction vid to a PPV, and you can see the girls practically frigging themselves while their oblivious boyfriends hiss at this poor X-Pac/Cena hybrid abomination.
>>
>>911645
>mexican wave
>'WE ARE AWESOME' chants

ugh
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>>911652
Reigns is literally a poor man's Diesel.

Unleaded?
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>>911649
I don't understand how someone with his gimmick could be a babyface.
>>
Dean should have won, the crowd reaction when he was in the final two was amazing and nobody would have predicted him winning, it would have been historic but no, Triple H brings out that shovel to bury them all.
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>>911655
Don't want reactions like that?

Don't put on a match the crowd doesn't want to see.
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>>911628
>Personally I think the crowd would cheer Cena.

In the most sarcastic way possible, yes.

But then they'd begin chanting for Daniel Bryan/Dean Ambrose/AJ Styles/Bellas/CM Punk/Tatanka, or come with some snarky chants that Vince can't muffle.
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>>911659
> crazy guy can't be a face

How new are ya?
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>>911492
Seth's boring as FUCK on the mic and can stay out the ME Scene.
Ambrose is the most organically over Shield to contrast the most organically hated Shield. That's probably the best route when thinking purely of how hyped it would get fans.
That said, fuck all three of these failed projects.
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>>911676
Seth is passable on the mic, but nobody can make WWE's opening 15-minute soliloquies any good.
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>>911676
Seth is pretty good on the mic, I don't find him that boring
>>
he only got boo'd because the consensus going in was he was gonna win it from the 1 spot which no one wanted to see cause the build isnt there. if he was entering as a challenger who was fucked out of his title...maybe people would have been behind him
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>>911692
Imagine a young Edge trying to get over with WWE's modern fucking restrictions on cutting promos?

>Edge: If we don't get our way, there will be serious ramaficussions!
>*crowd pops with strong boos*
>Vince: Just stick to the script kiddo.
>Script: *Generic tough guy heel shit.* *Insert bad guy laugh* *No making funny songs out of other wrestlers' entrance themes*
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>>911726
Imagine 1996 Steve Austin in modern WWE.

> no you don't want this "Stone Cold" guy, you want USA Olympic Hero Mark Henry
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>>911692
>>911696
Nah he's dull, you just have low standards.
He came back at the slammies and cut a five minute promo and it was just as shit as all his 15 minute ones.
Regardless, he shouldn't come back right into the ME Scene or that scenario. Dean's the most organically over and Roman's the most organically hated, picture-perfect scenario.
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>>911764
> no your rong

Sterling argument.

Why shouldn't the guy who was never beaten for the WWE World Title come back in that scene? Are you Vince?
>>
>>911779
It's not like you presented a counter-argument for me to counter back to other than "no im rite", anyway.
If you want a proper retort onto an entirely subjective matter go look up the over-abundance of dreadful promos he cut last year.

>Why shouldn't the guy who was never beaten for the WWE World Title come back in that scene?

Because over-saturation is a bad thing.
He doesn't NEED to be immediately propelled right back to where he was. Let him lay low a while and build his new character instead of thrusting him back into the spotlight in which he previously wilted.
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>>909872
Thus is what Vince actually believes
>>
>>911799
You might want to try reading the post. I didn't say Rollins was anything special, I said he was passable.

And blaming him for the 15-minute opening promo sucking? Why don't you blame him for the rest of his booking as a weakling champ while you're at it? Fucking mark.

>Because over-saturation is a bad thing.

HAHAHAHA when did you start watching WWE? That's all it does nowadays.
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>>911840
>no actual retort
>just "lol u fucking mark"

And I win.
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>>911843
> honing in on the phrase that upset you
> saging

You're a real winner junior!
>>
I just can't understand guys, please enlighten me
>Mediocre in ring ability
>One of the worst on the mic in the whole roster
>His cardio is at the level of a 10 year old asthmatic girl, can't work a match for more than 10 minutes
>Stupid ass smile
Maybe the only thing he has going for him is that he somewhat looks based
He is Chris Masters 2.0 and they wanna make him Cena 2.0
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>>911715
That's some nice damage control there Vince :^)

At this point I don't think anyone over the age of 13 likes Roman unironically.
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>>911892
Vince thinks he's The Rock 2.0

At this rate he's more like Diesel Lite
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>>909833
>>909890
>>909920

Are you people retarded? He is the most over person on the roster right now. The House shows prove this, and the hype around him has been spilling over into the live crowds.

It was a mixed reaction. Orlando is full of a bunch of internet fans so of course it's going to be a mixed reaction..
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>>911942
Go to a lot of house shows all over the world, do you bud?

> He is the most over person on the roster right now.

He's not even more over than his little buddy
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>>911950
The reports for every house show say he gets the biggest pop of the night
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>>910808
perry saturn fucking ruled
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>>911965
> mark who sends in house shows reports hears what he wants to
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>>912033
> smark who is biased against roman and believes what he wants to
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>>911659
>"crazy lunatic"
>charismatic
>good mic skills
>good-enough actor
>handsome
>slime bombed Seth
>sprayed ketchup and mustard on Kane and Orton
>loves to play dress-up (neckbraces, police uniform)
>takes some hellacious bumps on PPVs (like Owens)
>decent to great wrestler
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>>912033
Or maybe he really does get the biggest pops at each house show?
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>>911965
>house shows
Bitch please.

The house shows are the equivalent of taking your kids to the zoo or the circus. It doesn't mean a fucking thing.
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>>912064
>>912084
The point is, none of us know. All we're seeing is him being openly rejected at the biggest WWE events, which tends to have a spillover effect.

He just isn't the guy, brother.
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>>911779
>Sterling argument.

It wasn't an argument. He was clearly just disagreeing with you via contradiction. You seem like you're upset about something and looking for an excuse to bash someone.
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>>909872
>"haha, they took the bait. i'm so adult"
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>>912123
> armchair pop-psychology

18+
>>
Where is the list of all 30 people in rumble from 1 to 30?
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>>912171
I saw a list of when they were eliminated.
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>>911942
>>he's the most over person on the roster
>the current active roster is literally Roman and a bunch of jobbers

Yeah great babyface you have there. Only able to get over when there's 0 star power around and even then he's only lukewarm.
>>
>>912213
It's funny because every time Ambrose has had a top-level feud he's been way more over than Reigns ever has, despite getting nowhere close to as much of a push.
>>
>>910667
>Benoit was 5'11

Jesus Christ why do so many people take billed heights as gospel on here? Chris was 5'8 this was confirmed by Chris Jericho and JR. A legit 5'11 wrestler is Someone like CM Punk (billed as 6'1)
>>
>>911053
>>911140
>>911164
>>911185
>>911187
>>911403
>helping another man achieve an erection
fucking faggots.
>>
>>911942
If you consider 90-10 a mixed reaction, then sure.
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>>912275
Cena must be 5'10" at most then, because Punk is clearly taller than him.
>>
>>912297
Punk is listed as 5'11 by the UFC. Punk wore really thick wrestling boots while cena wears sneakers. Cena ain't a giant but he's atleast an inch bigger than punk bare foot
>>
>Reigns
>>
The only way to save Roman is if Rock comes back and hypes him up into 'Mania and then Roman going Hollywood.

Think about it, Hollywood Roman might actually work.
>>
>>912422
But that would require charisma + promos.
>>
>>912422
>Hollywood Roman
As the head of the Samoan World Order?
>>
>>912426
just saying bantz, saying hes better than them and telling everybody they suck, nah he can do it.
>>
>>910870
What?
>>
>>912439
Judging by every promo he's ever cut, no, he literally cannot.
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>>912422
Yeah remember how well Rocky saved him at the rumble last year?
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>>912437
based as fuck tbvh
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>>911053
SHE'S A CRACKWHORE!
>>
>>909890
The place was full of retards who bought a plane ticket to boo Reigns. It was obvious from the start that was a smark crowd.
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>>912437
>Roman
>Usos
>Samoa Joe (I know he's a fake)


This would never happen.
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>>909890
that was definitely the exception rather than the norm, he has been getting more positive reactions overall. i mean, he got cheers at the raw in philadelphia a few weeks ago for crying out loud.
>>
Reminder that a trombone is more over than Reigns
>>
>>912511
I love that whenever someone marks like gets booed they resort to "lol every single person in the crowd was a smark, iwc, fagit".
You realise that the majority of live events is families and casual right? Stop making excuses because the men you have a boner for get booed.
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>>912644
>You realise that the majority of live events is families and casual right?
yes raw, house shows etc etc, big ppvs bring the smarks out in droves. Roman is over with the casuals and the normal crowd the smarks are all over the place with roman. .
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>>912578
Thats sad
good job vince
>>
>>912248
Because Ambrose got over organically. He clicked with the fans, and it probably helps that he's actually decent in the ring and doesn't do a lot of stupid gimmicks, like Roman's retarded samoan war cry or cocking his fist like he pretends it's a gun.
>>
>>912517
>>Samoa Joe (I know he's a fake)
And yet he's the most (the only?) tolerable samoan in the company right now. Let's pray to god this new samoan swat team never includes Joe. Roman was booed and absolutely nobody gave a shit about the Usos. I don't want infinitely more talented people being used as enhancement talent like this.
>>
>>912517
>>912786
Joe as the only decent worker in the stable is fine. (He can be their Scott Steiner.) Add in Nia Jax and Tamina Snuka to complete the set.

>Roman was booed
That's why it would be a heel stable.
>>
>>911403
>>911187
>>911185
>>911164
>>911053
Thanks for killing my boner
>>911140
Yours was the only I was able to pull it off with. But barely.
>>912276
>u no cuck?
>>
Did anybody manage to get a up skirt of sexy slutty Stephanie near the end of the Rumble? When she went in the ring to congratulate HHH? There were no stairs so she just kind of rolled in the ring with her skirt up.
Please somebody if you have it post it. The other diva's aren't as good as her. My dick is still hard and am waiting to blow off. I'am this guy >>912922
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>>909872
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>>912511
>bought a plane ticket
>Orlando

It's NXT country, they just have to drive
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>>909833
>liking Ziggler
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>>911388

damn man. you just had to go and bring up B-Lo

that shit was so sad. He was a good entertainer. A midcarder, but entertaining. I didn't much care for Puke, but he was the one who was supposed to inherit the Road Warrior legacy when Hawk's liver finally gave out. Now the only Nation is the League of Nations, and the only Road Warriors are those shitty fucking Assencion douchebags
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>>910971

i gotchu, senpai
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>>911692

except for one man

and his name

is Paul

Heyman

>also CM Punk
>that's right
>he's a Paul Heyman guy
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>>911761

they had that:
#WordLife
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>>912452

>tfw you're The Rock and get booed
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>Just watched a random episode of NXT for the first time
Holy shit every match is so hype
Is it like every time they call someone up to the main roster they cut them down to 4 moves and forbid them from using their personality?
>>
>>918902
Yes
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>>918902

#LegitBoss

Though in fairness, they did the same thing with Punk. He was a fucking legend in the Indies, then they stuck him in OVW to rot, until Paul Heyman saved him
>>
>>918867
Why am I reading this in Enzo Amore's voice?
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>>918978

because you're retarded

a normal person would read it in Paul Heyman's voice...
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>>919000
Did you really feel like that was necessary? r00d.
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>>919003

don't question trips. bitch
>go back to redtit and call for the mods
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>>912082
>>charismatic
>>good mic skills
>>good-enough actor
>>handsome
wew lad
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