No muay thai thread? Muay thai thread.
I ve been practising thai for 3 months. I m still getting the hang of it but i m really enjoying it so far. I ve done karate back in my teens but it was too rigid, i like how thai is more fluid and fast but maybe it s just my impression.
I d like to have some question answered thoug. I m working on my guard stance but i m having trouble sticking to the principles of it like keeping my eyes opened, don t turn my torso when being hit, etc. and generally i ve got a weak defence. How can i improve it? Any advice?
I m not really into comparing martial arts. I started thai instead of taekwondo because it thought it was more keen to my way of moving and also because i like to use my elbows,knees and punches more than i like to use kicks. I dont have a deep knowledge of taekwondo so i could be wrong
But it is better.
We (should) all know that martial artists just need to be exposed to other arts in training to be able to use what they've learned in their arts against other things.
Taekwondo is no exception.
By training against what's coming from Muay Thai, Taekwondo attack and defense beats Muay Thai 8/10 times.
Here're the reasons why:
Taekwondo's kicks have more range than Muay Thai's roundhouse kick and front kick, as well as their variants.
The defenses for Taekwondo's kicks work against all other strikes, the practitioner just needs to adjust to dealing with things other than kicks and punches strong enough to qualify for points.
Just like out-boxers keep in range, Taekwondo practitioners would do best staying in kicking range against Muay Thai fighters.
After that, it's all down to who has the better combination of speed, power, reaction time, reflexes, and timing.
So if two people of the same speed, power, reaction time, reflexes, and timing, were to battle, the Taekwondo practitioner would win a majority of the time.
Just look at McGregor vs Aldo.
>Timing beats speed
>Precision beats power
UFC Champion: Connor McGregor.
Just 13 seconds, and 1 punch.
All because McGregor got to him first.
When you have longer range, like with Taekwondo, all you need is to get to him first.
Taekwondo is the superior art, if you as a fighter are equal to or are superior to your opponent.
Just like how Kickboxing is superior to Boxing.
I don't have that one gif, but here's a screencap of the description, and the video provides an example while explaining why Kickboxing is superior to Boxing.
The guy in
Isn't only a Kickboxing champion, but he's a Muay Thai champion, too.
But they were only allowed to use Kickboxing techniques.
The world and national Boxing champion wasn't allowed to kick, but he was allowed to defend against kicks.
He chose to wear Boxing shoes, which made him unallowed to kick.
The shoes gave him better mobility in the ring.
If you look at the Kickboxing and Muay Thai world champion, he's really just kicking the Boxer's ass with modified Muay Thai, throwing leg kicks until the Boxer couldn't walk.
Really, the Kickboxer and Muay Thai fighter is just setting up kicks with punch feints and fakes.
So really, he's just kicking.
So really, he beat a Boxers ass with TAEKWONDO!
>Striking Analyst Respected by Professional Fighters.jpg
>several boxers have stepped up to the challenge, and the results are mostly the same.
>Boxers got their asses kicked by Kickboxers
I'd bet Boxers would do even worst against Muay Thai fighters.
I have my respect for all arts, Muay Thai especially, but it's also the reason why Muay Thai isn't as good as Taekwondo.
Hey OP, congratulations! You picked one of the best fighting styles out there. Don't let the usuall trolls of /asp/ get you down.
>i m having trouble sticking to the principles of it like keeping my eyes opened
You see, flinching and closing your eyes are actually good reflexes, lower the damage you take if something hits you. Nobody "stops" doing this, but if you get better you get a finer perception of what is going to hit you and what not.
For example: when someone gets his first strike thrown at him, he can't react very good and thinks it's a bad experience. After some strikes he finds out that it's not so bad if you just have a proper guard, and he might find out that he has more time to react than he think he does..
The key is to not be afraid of the other guy's strike. Try to embrace it, use a "common, fuck yeah, hit me if you can!" attitude. It's just a game, it's Maya.
If you manage to do this you can act instead of reacting, you can play instead of getting played.
You know pretty darn well that most TKD fighters get BTFO by Nak Muay. They got not head punches and no clinching. So just stop.
And that little bit "more kicking range" and "muh 10,000 counters" mean very little against the strong and simple MT combinations. That's why boxing kicks Wing Chun in 98/100 fights: Simplicity always beats theoretical circlejerking.
Do you even logic?
most people telling anyone that one style is better than another don't actually do that martial art. They watch videos on youtube and talk shit.
Like this guy>>892610
He has no fucking idea what he's talking about and it's patently obvious to anyone with even rudimentary knowledge of martial arts and combat sports.
>Simplicity always beats theoretical circlejerking.
Yeah, that's why Boxers always beat MMA fighters all the time.
Boxing is so much more simple than MMA, the simplicity of Boxing always beats the complex combination of grappling and striking MMA has to offer.
>That's why boxing
>Simplicity always beats theoretical circlejerking.
Every major sport has theoretical circlejerk.
MMA fags talk about the theoretical circlejerk all the time.
When they realize how simple BJJ, but think it's so complex, they call it "a game of chess" all the damn time.
If BJJ is "a game of chess", then the whole fucking match is a game of chess.
>tfw have to wait a month or two to start going to a muay Thai gym for the first time
>has a lumpinee stadium champ as a trainer
I'm too hype and impatient pls help
I gotta give it to Muay Thai.
Boxing has the clinch, and Boxing has clinch fighting.
But Boxing doesn't devastate in the clinch like knees and elbows do.
Boxing only has hooks and uppercuts for weapons in the clinch, and that has nothing on knees and elbows.
Taekwondo is a flashy art with some effective moves, that is all.
No he's right. You have no arguments, you just spam your shitty opinions all the time. Please leave.
>Yeah, that's why Boxers always beat MMA fighters all the time.
You don't get it. It's about using a few simple tools. Of course a high complexity can arise from simple elements. but if you already start complicated you ain't going nowhere.
People have a certain natural way of fighting, that's why you see punches to the face in about 100% of all street fights and you see a Pak Sao in about 0.0001 % of all street fights. The "best" movements are those which can be found in many differnt systems. If you find a certain pin in Wrestling, Judo and BJJ it's probably a useful tool. If you find a certain movement only in one style, it's probably garbage.
Have you not heard about Wing Chun?
It is in fact the best martial art.
I suggest doing push up variations, squats, pull ups + chin ups if you have a bar and ofc. shadowboxing.
Pull ups + chin ups are a game changer, your attacks get much more powerful and fast after doing those.
Actually the longest kick is the muay thai side kick. It is longer and faster than the TKD side kick as it strikes with the ball of the foot instead of the heal, and doesn't require chambering.
If you want to see its expert use, look no further than the best ever:
So how would a TKD guy deal with someone kicking them faster and at a longer range than they are used to? Especially when all the can do is kick?
>mfw the Taekwondookie is BTFO by his own uninformed argument
You can step and jump in with the MT version. Stay mad pleb.
Let me talk about Savate which is a far better kicking style than TKD with all the kicks, but also actual boxing.
Stupid Sexy Flander's outfits instead of silly knock off Korean gi
i think you should keep a more open mind about just a "sport" the history behind the sport figures, the legends that changed the rules or how the stadiums were establish are just as captivating.
>simple combinations blows out counter-fighters
>all the dominant counter-fighters in Boxing is just flukes
>all the dominant counter-fighters in K-1 means nothing
>all the countering in MMA means nothing
>You just need to throw combinations and nobody can counter you
you are probably right. I ve always thought a martial art to be more of a school both for your boy and your mind so i ve always given more importance to discipline, techniques, history, etc. than the real hand-on fighting functionality of it. I'll start to pay more attention to other aspects i' ve always ignored, from now on
How do you tell a good MT club from a bad one.
Mine doesn't spend too long on each drill and there's very little technical advice going on. Is this normal. Are ring sports more a learn from experience culture?
Pretty much. If you're really fucking up somebody will say something. If you're kinda getting it but awkward, that's nothing time won't fix.
It doesn't help you to be trying to do something and try to mentally search through 5,000 words of verbal advice about it at the same time.
>It doesn't help you to be trying to do something and try to mentally search through 5,000 words of verbal advice about it at the same time.
What do you mean by this?
It's starting to seem like you just don't know anything about psychology.
He means that you get simple explanations so you can get the basic movement done by hunch. Then you start practising and feel what you could do to give more precision, power, etc. to your movement and with time you ll perfect it little by little.
If the trainer gives you a perfect and detailed explanation from the get go you ll focus on too many details and you ll be focused on too many things than actually doing it naturally.
When i start doing a new technique i correct every mistake one at the time and little by little so that my body can remember it better on the long run
The fuck does psychology have to do with it? Practicing physical activities until you get them right beats listening to hours of jibber jabber and then trying to remember all of that jibber jabber when you're doing the physical activity.
Watch Aldo vs. McGregor (or pretty much everthing from Saenchai), then you know what a perfect counter is.
This. I really hate it when older students try to give explanations to newbies. Beginners can't process thousands of informations at the same time ("no your feet" no your hand! no, faster!"), it just makes you feel like shit and isn't of any help. But I do feel that some informations help but only maybe one thing per training lesson or less. People need to make their own mistakes in order to learn.
>The fuck does psychology have to do with it?
Learning and memory has everything to do with psychology.
Learning and memorizing martial arts is very included.
Please, educate yourself before you form opinions.
i m sorry to butt in but i guess you are the one that should inform yourself.
Implicit memory is the physiological term for the pattern your body learns through repetitions, like riding a bycicle.
Like the name implies, it is implicit and not just "subconscious", like part of the explicit memory (facts, events, concepts,...) is.
It is made in this way to enable your body to properly function without having to think about every movement every time. It enables you to move by instinct. So it must be completly detached by any conscious and subconscious higher mental process, and so, by psychology itself.
That s the same reason why you have an hard time to learn how to move properly doing something you ve never done before. Because it s not something you can focus on to learn, like you do when you study, you have to repeat the same movement over and over again to make it carved into your body and to be able to react as a martial artist to events where other people would move in sloppy ways.
I think you faggots need to learn how to fucking read.
>asks what he means by that
Hasn't started fucking arguing about jack shit.
You fuckers are fucking assuming that he's arguing some bullshit that he didn't say.
Learn how to fucking read, you delusional ass fucktards.
You fucking delusional ass mother fucker. What the fuck were you doing all of middle school?
>typing all that fucking bullshit
What the fuck is this shit?
>spouting all that bullshit from delusion
Fucking shit nipples, what the fuck.
LEARN HOW TO FUCKING READ.
He wasn't learning how to juggle or something by reading descriptions of how to do it.
I won't know about you, but I was learning how to play trombone and trumpet by playing them, learning how to type by typing, learning how to play basketball by playing.
I learned academic things like math and grammar by explicitly being told the rules because those are mental activities that are literally nothing but following rules.
Were you jacked into the Matrix in middle school having your skills uploaded?
>What is your stance on Muay Thai if there was no grappling?
How would you throw lowkicks if you had only one leg?
If you hav 4 arms, would you use ellbows and punches at the same time?
If you fought in zero gravity, how would you gain momentum for kicks?
Anon, it's not that difficult. Just insert fist into opponent and repeat if necessary.
That it's somehow misleading to play "What if" games here, because a fighting system is not only a bunch of techniques, it's also about stuff like how you can go from punching into clinching or how to use ellbows from the clinch. You can't just say "ignore that I could do this", because some techniques make only sense because you know the other guy can do this or that.
>mfw when Im learning Muay Thai from a teacher who also knows taekwondo and karate
I respect other martial arts, it's not about which one is better, is about how skilled you are and how you use it.
Is it modern Muay Thai that already has intergrated Western Boxing?
Because you've got some good, well rounded striking with that kind of Muay Thai.
>western Boxing for punches
>Muay Thai for knees and elbows
>Karate and Taekwondo for kicks
>all blended together for efficient Kickboxing, not just forcing narrow minded Boxing to work in Kickboxing + clinch knees and elbows
I sincerely don't know
It's the first time I practice martials arts and can't identify styles yet
But yes, we do have "Boxing lessons" something so I guess is some kind of modern or non-traditional style
kick in muay thai are different from taekwondo and karate. You don t make your leg turn around your knee in thai, it s your hip that turns, your leg remains rigid while a little bended