>>1024940 He's the closest thing to a universally loved superstar that they have right now and ratings with Ambrose in the main event have been the highest of the past couple years IIRC. That should be enough to give him a chance.
Yes it was. It main evented over Orton vs. Cena at HiAC and then again at Elimination Chamber, and later on at MiTB. He has been given more than enough chances. Smarks like to rag on Roman for stealing the spotlight, it's like they forget he wasn't feuding with Big Show for like 3 months, and then Bray for another 3, while Rollins vs. Dean was the main event.
in 2015-2016 on raw they dont even put the real main event segments on last. sure, they typically do for ppvs, but sometimes the ppv mainevent isn't really the top program going at the time. in fact that is quite often the fact, especially when HHH is involved. And he was, as part of rollins group
Way to shift goal posts. You were saying Ambrose wasn't given a chance, now you're saying the matches weren't that important. Are you kidding me? Him feuding with Rollins was featured on every single RAW for nearly a year.
>>1025281 no you arent, you said he couldnt be top face because cena was still active, which i was implying with my comment that cena vs owens was the real top program at MITB. on top of that roman was still being booked as the top face. ambrose was just rollins' opponet, but that's besides the point.
booking is crucial to being the top baby face, at the time of the rollins feud, ambrose was slotted as the #3 baby face behind reigns and cena, despite feuding with rollins. ambrose is now being booked theoretically as the #2 babyface now.
this is really simple stuff that you are confusing.
reigns is wrestling wyatt and show at the time of ambrose/rollins because they wanted to keep their chosen face away from their chosen heel champion. Just because ambrose was feuding for the title, does not mean he was given the shot at being the top baby face in the company, especially when you consider the fact that his feud wasn't even treated as the top feud on television. i shouldn't even have to go into this much detail about it.
>>1025310 >Just because ambrose was feuding for the title, does not mean he was given the shot at being the top baby face in the company, especially when you consider the fact that his feud wasn't even treated as the top feud on television.
You don't need to be the top baby face in the company in order to get a push. You need to get that through your head. He was pushed adequately and beyond, and still waiting for you to pull up citation about how ratings were high when Ambrose was main eventing cause that sounds like made up drivel to bolster your already weak points.
You have to understand that they don't care too much about the smarky crowd and IWC. Roman has the look that gets over with the casuals and the wimminz and can easily be marketed to kids as well. He's their clean cut hero ala Cena for the next generation.
It doesn't matter that he's shit on the mic and mediocre in the ring. This is an image based world and WWE is no different.
Go and check out the indian fans and shit. They think he is the best fucking wrestler that's ever lived just behind Cena. That retard contingent is a good measuring stick for the usual casual crowd as well. WWE feeds them Roman, they eat.
The smarks DO have power, of course. There would be no Bryan WHC win at WM30 without it but they have shown again and again that they resent the smarks at best.
Ratings continue to tank, the shows quality and format is totally screwed but they remain convinced that Roman is easy money just like Cena. They NEED those toy lines and make a wish foundation superstars and Roman is the perfect fit. Not a lunatic fringe character like Ambrose.
I don't like...you don't like it....but them's the shakes. Get used to the Roman Empire. He's not going to stop being pushed.
>>1025321 >You don't need to be the top baby face in the company in order to get a push.
in the WWE you do. Cena and Reigns are the only baby faces that get protected. ambrose loses left and right, and is treated as a upper mid carder, especially earlier this year when reigns and cena were both active. come on now..
>>1025327 >There would be no Bryan WHC win at WM30
When will this myth die? Smarks had nothing to do with that. CM Punk had everything to do with it. Daniel Bryan himself put it in writing in his book and said it was already set in stone for him to face Sheamus to avenge his 8 second loss, he even lost to Bray clean at the rumble, but people would rather cling on to this false hope that smarks had something to do with it. Same thing with Roman not winning last year, had nothing to do with smarks and everything to do with Brock choosing not to re-sign with UFC.
Your *initial* clam was that Ambrose hasn't been given a chance when he has. How many other people on the roster can say they've main evented a PPV in the last 3 years?
Cena, Roman, Orton, Bray, Rollins, Brock and Ambrose.
The main events of PPVs have included the above men in some combination. He is in that elite group.
When they have huge brawls you don't see Dean out there trying to break people up, and he's never a lumberjack meaning he's protected and seen as a main event talent. Seriously quit with the whining and excuses. He has been given more than enough chances.
>>1025372 he wasnt given a chance to be top baby face. a secondary fued with a heel champion, where he lost is not a chance. it's not even close to being a chance, i dont even know if you're being serious or not. also, the fued with rollins literally had to happen because ambrose was in the shield. and again, it wasnt even treated like the top program.
>>1025388 >crisis meeting over the booking of Roman after he got shat on after they tried to give him the Rock rub?
This literally has nothing to do with what was said about how smarks changed the booking. They didn't. Brock had "injured ribs" angle was what was being played up cause at the time he was thinking about going back to the UFC and it doesn't take an idiot to realize why they'd have him injure his ribs given what Roman's finisher is.
They had a "crisis meeting" but Roman still main evented, not only that but he also beat Daniel Bryan clean in the next PPV. That crisis meeting sure worked wonders right lad?
>>1025351 When should they have treated him like one in the first raw he appeared 3 weeks after winning the belt that he only appeared for 10 mins? Or the raw after he announced he had to give up the belt because of injuries?
>>1025437 ok so orton and batista were supposed to main event, we agree. but when they added bryan to the match last minute, that was planned all along? is that what you're saying? because the two scenarios contradict each other.
>>1025443 >but when they added bryan to the match last minute, that was planned all along?
No it wasn't cause Bryan was supposed to be facing Sheamus and CM Punk was going to wrestle HHH. CM Punk leaving left HHH with no opponent so they had to restructure everything. Smarks complaining had damn near nothing to do with it.
Argument for what? You being blatantly stupid? Was Cena the top baby face when he was getting pushed in the mid 00's? You're an idiot and I guess that does come with the territory of being a Dean Ambrose fan.
>D-d-ean wasn't given a chance >Yes he was >B-b-ut he wasn't the top face >Yeah cause Cena is still the top face >H-h-e needs to be the top face >No he doesn't. He main evented RAWs and PPVs. Feuded for the title and got numerous opportunities on the mic and in the ring. >y-y-ou dont understand the business
>Still hasn't proved that ratings were high when Ambrose was main eventing >Literally just made that up out of thin air
>>1025327 >Roman has the look that gets over with the casuals and the wimminz Man how can people still say this crap with the ratings in such dire straights
WWE has completely driven off their casual audience. The only people who still watch nowadays are hardcore pro-wrestling fans (what the retards on /asp/ like to call "smarks") and Indians. The people who stopped watching and led to the ratings being cut in half were casuals.
>>1025327 >It's all about the look Then why the fuck do they even bother scouting the indy scenes when they can just go to any gym in american and find a ripped lad and just train him to be a mediocre wrestler.
>>1026721 >The man put on high quality matches every time he's in the ring. maybe in the outlaws but not in the wwe. Especially last year in a 4 month stretch where everything he was doing seemed like he rather be anywhere else but in the ring.
>>1025327 You at first I wondered "why is the country I was born in so obsessed with someone as shitty as Reigns?" But then I realized the answer's so fucking obvious.
In India film stars particularly from Bollywood are romanticized and worshiped. The man who's considered at the top of Bollywood is Shahrukh Khan. He's a terrible fucking actor don't get me wrong. But the people in India will always make every single film of his a hit. His terrible excuse for acting; people pay for that shit there, enough to where he's in the top 5 of the richest people in the film business IN THE WORLD.
Taking into consideration that the country's become such a place where they worship actors that are pushed on them with all sorts of promotions/hype, the way Roman's being pushed on us is in a way no different. And while it may not work in most places, it'll fucking work in India cuz that's exactly how Bollywood style shit is pushed.
>>1024925 There was every reason but someone in creative thinks booking Reigns to win against more over babyfaces is going to help his standing. We wouldn't be having this problem if it had been Roman Reigns vs League of Losers in a handicap match or something.
Match wouldn't have been as good but at least the babyface in the main match wouldn't have been booed. It's a booking disaster more than anything else
>>1025327 >Roman has the look that gets over with the casuals and the wimminz This "Bitches dig Roman" thing is being traded on too heavily. Think about the role of sex appeal in the industry for female workers, who should be able to do more with looks thanks to performing for a majority male audience. Divas can get a little over on looks alone, but at a certain point the audience is thinking, "You're pretty, but I'm not entertained."
There were hints of the female audience turning in the last episode of RAW. The Nielsens showed a huge decline for the third hour, led by women. (Men stopped watching too, but not in the numbers that women did.) And this on a night when Roman was main eventing.
>>1029388 It's still possible that they're pulling the plug on Roman. When Warrior didn't work out, Vince went back to Hogan. If Trips retains at WM, he'll have the crowd behind him...
>>1024925 >Reigns loses title CLEAN at rumble after running away for half the match like a coward and still losing >loses rematch clause >gets put back in title picture by authority despite them wanting him out of the picture so badly >literally no reason for him to have another title shot at all >lel mania
>>1024937 why do you autists think ambrose is money? is it fashion to like these jobber looking wrstlers now?
his character is stupid, trying so HARD to be this "badass lunatic" wooo lunatic fringe woah watch out br0. he acts like a retarded power ranger, looks stupid, acts stupid, meh just another fag the IWC is buttsucking because he's the only thing next to roman
just because roman is a fag as well doesn't mean you should just swallow up the guy next to him, this proves that manlet was only over as a reaction to roman being shoved down our throats
If todays smarks were alive theyd have said the rock's push should be derailed in favor of dean malenko cause people were unironically chanting "die rocky die" but most of the idiots who irrationally hate roman probably werent even alive by that time.
What most people dont remember is that rocky himself said suffarin succotash, a line that reigns got a shit ton of heat for. He didnt get heat for copying rock, but rather because it just sounded so retarded and unnatural coming from him.
Check it out, its around 3:15
I think youre missing the forest for the trees; its not that we want him to be a carbon clone of anyone. Its that we want him to pull the same career move rocky did, which entails letting him be himself on the mic and express his frustrations. That simple.
Let reigns be himself, let him be authentic. He'll rise or fall on his own, but no matter what I think alot of people will respect that vince is finally letting go of the reigns (no pun intended) a bit and not treating us like were children.
WWF tried to sell Rock as they are selling Reigns right now. Both resulted in boos for Rock and Reigns. As a counter measure WWF decided to swim with the current and turn Rock heel. However with Reigns they will push him as a face no matter what happens.
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