Hello /an/, it's me again. The guy with the friend who's conspiring to fuck a bird. Some new developments were made today, we were able to talk for a little while when I got off work.
Michael: How are you?
Me: I'm fine, just got off work so I'm waiting for the bus. And you? I have about half an hour to kill.
Me: What are you up to?
Michael: I'm on a forum
I then asked him if it was the forum we have in common, not revealing that to 4chan.
Michael: No, a zoo forum. To learn and educate.
Me: Learn what, exactly? What do the majority of zoosexuals condone? I'm curious as to what exactly they stand for.
Michael: To learn more information on the arguments for and against zoosexuality. Admittedly also to learn more about safe mating. They condone safe, ethical relationships where there is mutual love and respect and the will and welfare of the animal is highest priority.
So now he's even more openly admitting to wanting to fuck animals, What, is he saying he'll be gentle?
Good news though, I have his full name and the name of his workplace. If the shit hits the fan, I can ruin his life.
And when the last thread 404'd people were mentioning how macaws can get really horny around their humans due to imprinting, I'm not denying that. Humans should refrain from doing shit like that, be a good person and control yourself zoofag. The animal might not know better, but you do.
But the thing is Anon, animals can't consent to humans. Not until they can speak English anyway. Zoofags will use "body language" as an excuse, but I'm afraid that's not good enough.
I'm also interested in the forum he was talking about, and why it hasn't been seized by the authorities. Bestiality is illegal in most civilized western countries, the US and the UK for sure. He lives in Manchester.
Not good enough for the law yes, I agree. But in some cases they will be correct. As you said they can't speak English - so your argument that they are not consenting is only as valid as the zoofags.
But there's no way to prove they're consenting, because they can't speak human languages. Michael would be destroyed in court, the only reason why he even wants a macaw is so he can have sex with it.
>body language isn't good enough
So you're saying sex with deaf/mute humans is also rape, despite the fact that their body language is telling you yes, all because they can't communicate verbally in any human language?
I am not for or against bestiality, if you want to fuck your goat, go ahead, just don't try to fuck my goat.
I simply really hate idiots like you who anthropomorphize animals into mentally retarded human children in fursuits.
You're worse than the fucking furries, at least they take the time to understand the psychology and mating habits of their pets.
I don't care if people I don't know get off on their animals, if a guy pulls his dick out and his dog happily licks it, no one is being hurt and it's none of my business. But anything that could injure the animal or requires force is abuse and should be punished.
A dog or any other pet isn't like a small child, they will not be traumatized for life because they licked your genitals or you let them hump you while you were naked.
I mean I find it pretty disgusting and weird to want to do anything sexual with an animal, but I find lots of fetishes nasty. If the animal willingly pursues it and no force is being used I don't see anything morally wrong with it.
If that guy wants to literally fuck the bird though, as in stick his dick into it, make sure he never gets a bird. I don't think it'd even be possible... The parrot would definitely rip him to shreds in the process.
>why it hasn't been seized by the authorities
It's illegal to have sex with them, but it's not illegal to talk about it online. Unless pictures of animals being abused are being shared on those forums, there is no proof any animals are being hurt.
I didn't report him because he hasn't acquired the bird yet. I know for a fact that he will though, he said he's committed. I'm keeping my cool until I have confirmation the bird is in his possession.
Okay question : if animals could very clearly consent, what would be wrong in fucking an animal?
Maybe its wrong because you or the animal can get hurt. But that can happen with humans too so idk. Brb going to fuck my dolphin
yep, laws are generally designed to protect people. And to a lesser extent other animals.
Most people are probably more worried about the sadistic and antisocial aspects of it than the actual harm it might cause and that's fine too.
>They condone safe, ethical relationships where there is mutual love and respect and the will and welfare of the animal is highest priority.
Then obviously he isn't planning to jam his dick inside the bird's cloaca.
Most he'd be able to do it lewdly rub it, which is weird but not animal abuse since parrots like to imprint on people as mates.
Just a couple days ago a cow here had to be put down because some faggot injured her to satisfy his sexual needs.
People like this sicken me.
This happens like two or tree times every year.
not according to the law it isn't
and you're ignoring all the physical issues that can come along with it. zoophiles are selfish cunts. no wonder so many dump their animals in CL when they stop cooperating
Yeah, im not arguing it is legal everywhere, or there aren't asshole zoophiles.
I'm not a zoophile, I'm just a zoology major and can tell you fucking an animal, while gross to me, isn't inherently wrong if it is obviously willing enough.
Animals don't get all the weird psychological problems later wondering if it was rape or whatever, can obviously consent (not to human levels, but animal level of consent still exists). Animals rape the shit out of each other at almost any opportunity. You letting some dog stick it's dick in your ass isn't going to traumatize it.
>Animals don't get all the weird psychological problems later wondering if it was rape or whatever
This. People treat animals as if they're children and avoid of sexuality, they're not. Sex with animals is gross, but so is poop and piss sex imo, that doesn't mean people who participate in it should be prosecuted (strictly speaking about sexual activity that involves no use of force) Any form of animal abuse should be punished, but I don't consider some degenerate zoophile sucking his horny dog's dick to be animal abuse.
>doesn't provide any argument and just repeats what he thinks the society would say
what society says is an actual argument.
logic doesn't mean shit when your neighbors haul you out of your house, sell off everything you own and toss you in prison.
I convinced him to send me a screenshot of a zoofag forum he's been using, I didn't want to access it myself because I don't want to be put on a watch list.
Michael, what are you doing.
I agree that body language itself is somewhat vague. But what if the animal iniates something? Let's say your fapping and your dog comes up and licks you (no peanutbutter or tricks like that). I don't see anything wrong with that. Same with a male dog mounting somebody, etc.
I created an account and read some threads. I am now more informee aviut zoophiles. At least the ones that frequent that forum.
Zoophilia isnt even wrong in the end. If you think it is, then please do a proper research
I think it is important that we inform ourselves and not just say "holly shit this is dumb" just because society/media makes it look like that. Just like "donald trump is stupid xD" memers. Always consider doing research.
>despite the fact that their body language is telling you yes
animals aren't conscious, they're unable to consent.
>I simply really hate idiots like you who anthropomorphize animals
you hate yourself, you anthropomorphize animals into sexual objects.
kill yourself, no one will miss you.