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Anyone know hoe to control aggression in these faggots? I had 4 many years ago, got them as juveniles, ended up getting 2 males 2 females.
I know the m/f ratio was off, but is there any other way of dulling their aggression?
It doesn't matter, this board is dead and this is one of the faster threads. It surprises me that even /wg/ is faster than us. Think about it, people would rather spend time talking about fucking wall papers than all the animals and nature of the world.
I had to get rid of my pincushion urchin :( he just loved to pick things up to much. Would come home every day with a new piece of coral stuck to him that he ripped from my rockwork. One day he picked up my large ORA mushroom, and the mushroom released toxins and crashed the tank. Bye bye urchin. Luckily didn't lose TO much
I have a 30 gallon halfmoon tank that I started out with juvenile cichlids and upgraded tanks multiple times, don't wanna see such a fancy tank go to waste so I'm setting up for a clown pair and bubbletip anemone
He was a goofball..... Felt really bad to, cuz I took him to my LFS, then some lady bought him, and posted an ad on the local saltwater page trying to get rid of (what was formerly my urchin) because it was apparently eating things it wasn't supposed to, and she didn't know how to feed it (Like you can feed an urchin?). Felt compelled to pick him up and save him but I resisted.
That's what's fascinated me about this hobby. Many animals I've never thought of as being intelligent in any way have surprised me. I also have a huge (about 1 foot across Black/red serpent star that I've raised since he was only two inchs across) who will climb up my arm when I'm spot feeding corals, because he knows when he climbs up my arm he gets a whole shrimp pellet. Not necessarily personality, but certainly more thought process then I ever thought these guys capable of.
They're similar to starfish, and no, they are not bugs. They don't really have a brain though. Just a nervous system and a bunch of water driven suction cup appendages that the phylum uses to move around. And yet, they have a personality all their own
Not my starfish, but he looks exactly like that, and is displaying (maybe?) a similar behavior. He likes to wrap around my wrist though.
>more thought process then I ever thought these guys capable of.
this is called conditioning.
there's no though involved at all.
what you're doing is called anthropomorphizing.
this also involves no thought.
>what you're doing is called anthropomorphizing.
>this also involves no thought.
Not sure if this was supposed to be a funny catchphrase or something, but anthropomorphizing definitely involves thought.
Anthropomorphizing is putting human emotions on non human animals. Unless you think thought it a human emotion, I don't see where your going with this. And if you do think thought is a human emotion... well, that explains a lot about you
Plants have photo reactive cells that follow the far red radiation put off by the sun, thus allowing it to follow the sun throughout the day. And rocks certainly are not conditioned to roll down hills, you fucking dumbass
>And rocks certainly are not conditioned to roll down hills, you fucking dumbass
I didn't say they are.
I said conditioning requires thought like a rock rolling down a hill does.
Someone science me here.
Hoe does ambient temp effect an aquarium? If an aquarium is at 26 degrees Celsius and the surrounding room is at 22. Will the ambient temperature rising to 24 have any effect on the aquarium water? Or does the ambient temperature have to reach 27 degrees?
>>does that mean that they have absolutely no idea/control over what physically happens to them?
that's exactly what it means.
...well then how is he able to climb up my arm and wrap around my wrist when I feed the coral? If he's unable to control what he physically does. Shouldn't he just sit their, flailing around like my other star?
Give up, I win.
>he's unable to control what he physically does. Shouldn't he just sit their, flailing around like my other star?
"he" doesn't control anything because "he" isn't a person.
"he" is a machine that does certain things in response to certain stimuli.
one of those things is learning to climb up the big pink thing for food.
first you have to explain why the ambient temp is lower than the tank water. If it's a heater, then no. Room air has no effect on heated tank water until it gets hotter than the tank.
it does affect evaporation rate though.
If you want to look at any classical experimentation done around conditioning, their always done with animals of some form of intelligence. rats, dogs, mice, monkeys. Never has it been done on rocks falling down a goddamn hill. Operant Conditioning is a scientific principle that is rooted in the connection between an event, and a reward. Go ahead, read some research papers on operant conditioning and tell me that they don't suggest some form of thought, even in the conditioned state, which is essentially based in the subconscious.
I'm not suggesting it has to be anything more then 'one of those things is learning to climb up the pink thing for food. I doubt any of my pets think anything differently. And of course I fucking call it a 'he' because I actually care about my pets, unlike you evidently, and don't refer to them as objects to be viewed at
>caring about something is now anthropomorphizing
>>2049466 If you actually knew the difference between classical conditioning and operant conditioning you would know which one we are talking about here, in the case of my starfish. It most certainly is operant conditioning.
Well I have to give it some gender.. right? And it always picked heavy shit up and carried it around the tank, clumsily knocking it into everything, and in general was a shit disturber. Therefore, it was referred to as a 'he'
>implying bugguy didn't learn everything he knows from me and Wikipedia.
at this point you guys are telling me that an animal with no brain has conscious thoughts.
you're an easy target.
>Bugguy actually knows what he talks about
When it comes to gardening and bugs. After that it's a shit show of misunderstood nonsense.
> terrapin is the correct term for freshwater turtles
Am I the only one that's scared that one day the water sealant on my heater or pump will break and I'll get electrocuted to death?
Escpecially if the product is from China aka "trading standards? what are those lol?"
>I put hand in tank when feeding coral, star fish climbs on hand
>I feed starfish (reward)
>starfish chills on my hand til I remove it from tank.
Classical conditioning would suggest that the starfish would climb on my hand every time it was in the tank, since it was the previously neutral stimulus that was then creating a response. But that's not what happens.
I actually work in a research lab at a major university. I do know scientific reasoning, even If I do work with a bunch of Chinese.
>Classical conditioning would suggest that the starfish would climb on my hand every time it was in the tank
>implying it's your hand and not the coral food that the stimulus. Or both.
how do you know he won't?
I'd bet if he climbs on your hand when you feed your corals in order to get a treat, then he will also climb on your hand when you're feeding the corals and not get a treat.
in fact you know he will, because he doesn't know if you'll give him a treat or not. This is Pavlov's dog. He sees hand and smells coral food and he climbs. Every time, whether the treat is there or not. No other association or thought necessary.
in fact it is you that's been conditioned to give him a treat when he climbs on your hand.
anyways, see how nicely I called it "him" for you?
No, I really don't 'know' he will. He's only demonstrated this behavior maybe 10 times over the course of the 8 months I've had him. And you better believe that I feed more corals more often then that. He just isn't hungry some days, and prefers to sit under his rock. Sure, I've been conditioned to give him a treat when he climbs by hand, but that's not the point being argued here. I'm a fully conscious human being, so of course I'm capable of being conditioned, just as much as you.
"thought" and "consciousness" are two different things. Also, I have 3 other serpent stars, and 2 other brittle stars. If they lack all personality, why is the only one that climbs my hand, the black/red serpent? What makes him different, in your all powerful pseudo scientific reasoning?
well the time you'd wonder about is the first one.
you would have to wonder how something without a brain would come to see you as the source of food and climb on you in order to get more food.
I have no doubt the coral food is the cause initially and that the behavior was then reinforced with more food.
anyways, hunting food is instinctive and also doesn't require thought. Learning WHERE the food is is a matter of classical conditioning.
>"thought" and "consciousness" are two different things.
yes, but neither can exist without the other.
>If they lack all personality, why is the only one that climbs my hand, the black/red serpent?
climbing your hand isn't personality.
and only one of them has been conditioned to get food by climbing your hand.
>really not conditioned because it isn't a 100% consistent event.
that's because eating isn't a conditioned behavior.
finding food in a certain spot is.
he's not always hungry, and he's not going to look for food in the spot he usually finds it if he's not hungry.
There's nothing instinctive about this behavior. But you haven't ever witnessed my reef to understand what I'm talking about, and there's simply no talking to you, apparently. I doubt you've ever owned a marine animal, or have any way to know any of the shit your spewing other than what you've heard from other anons. Actually try owning some of these crazy inverts and maybe you'll be lucky enough to witness some interesting behavior ;)
>There's nothing instinctive about this behavior.
I said hunting food is instinctive, not climbing your hand to find food.
I want to know what lab you work in, this is fucking pathetic.
I don't have any serpent stars, the last one I had was a green serpent that ate two damsels and a flame angel before I gave it back to the fish store.
the fact that you bought a green serpent explains everything about this conversation. You literally just lost all credibility right there. Actually I'm going to go speak at a conference in two weeks, I assume you want tickets? Hunting for food is instinctive! Great observation!
>the fact that you bought a green serpent explains everything about this conversation.
that was 13 years ago, back when you were shitting in diapers.
I would love tickets to your lecture. I assume you're a woman, and I hope you're attractive.
my standards aren't high, I like 'em dumb and pretty. You're halfway there.
13 year ago I was setting up my first walstad tank, as well as my own business (which still is running), but thanks. And no, Im a guy. Sorry to disappoint. Don't worry, you'll fit right in with the rest the the pseudo intellectuals that plague our university system, I'm sure you'll find some lovely sorority girls there
>Bugguy actually knows what he talks about
>as well as my own business (which still is running),
we have that in common as well.
I bought my 3rd business 14 years ago and it's still running.
I expect I make more than you, I'm not an idiot.
just moved into a house from an apartment, these are my 4 brand new meme tanks, (from top to bottom) 20 gallon walstad, 20 gallon iwagumi, 10 gallon hospital/quarantine/breeding, 90 gallon WTFEVERMYGFWANTS.
question: the foundation in this house is awful, literally none of the tanks is level. how bad is this?
Not a huge deal, so long as all your filters work properly. You might have slightly more evaporation, and eventually the substrate will work its way towards the low end, but thats all easily fixable.
I was gonna wrap a steel band around the 90 gallon (since its about 900 lbs ofc) but then I realized the top and bottom trim on all the tanks did exactly that.
are there any warning signs to look for?
Whole tank set up a few days ago.
Hopefully it looks less messy after it grows out and I get a black background
She doesn't like the sound of the water and wants me to fill it up all the way so it doesn't make the sound. She doesn't understand it's helping oxygenate the water. But luckily it's a 30 gallon tank with 3 male guppies and 3 endler hybrids.
What more should (can) I add to my 30g heavily planted tank?
2 kribensis cichlids
1 King tiger pleco
1 bristlenose pleco
2 siamese algae eater.
The tank is fairly over filtered with an eheim Ecco 300.
Hey guys, I have a 36g. Should I get a striped raphael catfish or like 10 pygmy cories?
raphael: I love big catfish that hide in caves, but raphaels are hard to find
cories: they would be fun to watch school, maybe they'd hide in the cave (???), but I don't have sand I have small gravel
>transfer betta to tank
>he keeps headbutting the walls like he's trying to travel farther than his whackass crystal prison will permit
I thought he'd be elated to no longer be in a cup.
Which raises an ethical question I've had for a while. Do fish know/care that they're captive?
Wow there were a lot of nice looking convicts in there, I bet this guy is in Florida, Convicts either got there from being released as pets and bred out of control or they traveled there.
Central American fish that have been seen as far away from home as Australia.
Cool video thanks.
Give him more to explore.
I've had bettas in one gallon jars that were happy as shit because they had cabomba. and lots of breaks in their line of sight. It's a dimension problem. Empty rooms would suck if you could move in all directions. Get plants, find clean sticks, put plants and sticks in tank. Rocks too, but not stuff that bubbles in vinegar at all.
That's in southern california in the greater LA county Its the remains of the santa clara river
That's the real amazing part though.
There are also giant plecos in there and bunch of catfish.
Occasionally I see a koi or two
There was a single big mouth bass, but I'm sure someone caught that fucker by now.
Its clear someone dumped a tank, but they seem to be doing fine Its been 5 plus years since I have been here watching them.
Actually that might be my problem. Tank is pretty barebones right now. All it has is a red tiger lotus that I ganked from my other tank. Plan on adding some rotala and maybe eleocharis.
Anyone else have albino cories that just lose their shit at random times? Mine are normally very relaxed but on occasion they'll rocket around the tank and collide with one another for a few minutes, then go back to digging. They have good water, long barbs, etc.
You need what's called "dither fish." Find slow moving top-feeders. Top feeders are the first ones to get picked off by predators, so they're a soothing influence on a tank, even if what the fish normally fight over is food or space. I keep several species of African cichlid (including jewels) and they do fine together with dithers in the tank.
Get rid of the Siamese algae eaters. They're going to be terrors before you know it. They will harass the fuck out of everyone and possibly suck off scales of other mates. The two angels alone are considered max stock though for a 30 gallon
Is this any good? I'm considering getting it because I ended up moving my 30 gallon onto the floor and cleaning it is difficult.
Speaking of athromorphizing I feel like an absolute monster putting my momma mollie in a breeder box.
Poor Lucky. She never asked for this
The only question now is how am I going to get the shit out of there when the fry arrive
I have no clue.
But when she gives birth she acts weird.
Swims down to the bottom chills in one spot
Shoots up to the top
Then back down.
The males bugged her a lot too. I'm glad she'll be safe now, but I can tell she hates the box.
best way to keep them pacified is actually to overcrowd them a bit with more cichlids though it may sound counter intuitive
a video with more tips: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFGE9x5B6DU
So after seeing some people shit talk tetra brand fish food I picked up this about a week ago.
The fish love it.
But what do you think and what foods do you use or reccommend?
I put a color filter to enhance text.
Diy/cheapo shit you do to either save money or test something out before you make a purchase.
I use a garden hose to for water changes, siphon out into yard then fill it from the shower(more water flow than sink or I'd have used that)
Stole the little water pump from an old whisper filter for a make shift power head an put it above a shitty defuser.
GF: can we turn the filter off when we sleep? The water sound is annoying.
Me: no it's essential for their life and it'll stress them the fuck out.
I work nights now and I come home a few times with it unplugged for at least 6 hours with very stressed fish. I'm gonna hit her /an/
Uh he will be with other fish and hopefully some other sharks then
Lake St. Clair. I live less than a mile from it. I usually let go of fish I don't want anymore. My gold fish Mr. and Mrs. Glub Glub have apparently grown to a large size with a few other gold fish. But I have seen my oscars anymore.
My fucking roommate took a shit in my tank. A watery chunky shit and killed all my fish. I got pissed and dumped it on his bed. Dead fish, gravel, shit, everything that was in that 10 gallon. People really do not value a fishes life.
I believe that they prefer to school with their own kind, but you may have some success. There's no way to say for sure. Your best bet is to pick cories that aren't too dissimilar from each other in terms of size, color, etc. Basically, they will tolerate each other, but they'll me most closely knit when they're schools of at least 5.
This is my first time posting on any board. I wanted to ask about my sunset gourami. I have it in a 20 gallon aquarium with other fish, but he was the first one I got. The fish I have now have all been alive and well for a few months now although I had four black neon tetras die of ich when I was starting out(new to aquariums). And I think about when I tried treating them my sunset has had this black and yellow coloration on his lower fin. I do 10% water changes weekly, but it doesn't look like ammonia burn and that's all I could find with Google. Anyone know what it is? Sorry if the post is long
yes, and strictly speaking anything you keep in a fish tank is probably a machine without feelings.
very much unlike you. But when you pretend they're like you we call that anthropomorphizing.
which is fun in childrens cartoons and certain types of fiction but isn't actually true or anything. Nemo isn't actually looking for his daddy.
Thank you for replying. It might be, I've seen pictures of some that have a slight dark coloration, but most are bright orange all around, and none as dark or large. Also I forgot to mention that it changes a bit too, I can't tell for certain but it looks darker or lighter sometimes.
Tried to get a better picture
fish change colors some with their mood. In some species it's really dramatic changes, in others it's more subtle.
anyways, I don't know of any infection that fits your description. If it's fin rot or something you should see it getting worse pretty quickly.
What's wrong with my water wisteria? I got it a few weeks ago, and it's got some good looking new growth at the top, but the lower leaves/stalks look worse for wear.
I add Seachem Flourish Iron daily, as recommended, and Flourish Excel every other day as recommended. I also treat the water with calcium daily for my snails.
still looks within the range of normal coloration.
roughly one inch of fish per gallon but always go lower rather than higher on the scale, some fish produce more waste than others and factors like plants and over filtration can increase the amount of fish you can keep slightly
the lower leaves were grown in air or slightly submerged in water so they will rot off, as they aren't adapted to life under water let the new growth flesh out a little then cut the stems and replant them to keep them bush all the way up
Where have all these trolls come from as of late?
We've always had dumbasses, but never this bad.
Hey guys, if anyone here remembers, I'm the guy who set up a shrimp and minnow 5 gal tank 2 months or so ago. With advice and shit I've gotten significant growth from my plants and the tank in general is looking great. 2 of my minnows are gravid and my original colony of 7 shrimp is now 14 strong (the fish eat a lot of the fry). I'm going to upscale the tank to a 90 liter that someone is selling with a stand, gravel, filter and heater all for $70 (Australian). And then use the 5 gal with all its plants for a betta. Considering the size of the tank and all that's going in as of now is a metric fuckton of plants (I like planted tanks), 14 shrimp and 9 white clouds, what else should I stock? I know I want some ottos and I'm really interested in endler's live bearers. Does that sound good and if soo what other real small fish could I get that would not overstock the tank and get on well with everything else?
Looks like I'll never keep my new sand foreground clean like Takeshi amano does in his nature aquariums.
Oh well I guess if it was perfectly clean it wouldn't look natural
FUCK THESE THINGS.
The only two times I added these to my tank after BOILING AND RINSING THE SHIT OUT OF THEM they turned the water cloudy!
The first time I chalked it up to a bad bacteria bloom (didn't know any better) and the second time it finally hit me, but this time there were repercussions for allowing them to stay in...
All of my cichlids died in my 75 gallon community tank aside from my 4 Acaras who are just barely holding on for their dear lives... I transferred them to my tropical freshwater tank for the time being.
Are chemicals added to terra cotta pots that I'm not aware of? Everyone said that they would be just fine after a rinse and would house beneficial bacteria.
galaxy rasboras are really pretty and a personal favorite of mine but can be shy if mixed with anything larger or more active than them
other options include
dwarf pea puffer
make sure to do a little research before buying any fish though. also might i suggest using tthe 2 gal tank to get a larger number of adult shrimp
by separating out the babies
as long as theyre firmly pushed into the sand and you dont have any fish tugging at them or an excessively strong current they should be fine. you can also just leave them alone, the stems lower down will just look barren
ive used them in multiple tanks for years and never once had a problem. did you ever hae a plant in it that got fertilizer? maybe mine ae fine because theyve been sitting outside forever before i use them (i just rinse them before putting them in the tank)
That is really, really strange man. I've never had any problems with terra cotta pots in fish tanks. I don't use them now because I only have one fish tank these days, with a goldfish who would knock them over.
I have noticed they can slightly alter the pH but that's the only effect I've had.
Very strange. I'm sorry your fish had such a terrible reaction to it.
Has anyone gotten into aquascaping? I'm wanting to try it on my 55g and was wondering if adding pressurized CO2 is necessary for it to thrive - wouldn't plants fish and filter be enough?
Also, what are some good options for soil? I was thinking of using Seachem or Aquasoil but don't know if they're good options (or if they look good).
Bumping with dope looking aquascapes. Thanks in advance
C02 makes the plants sooo much better and there are cheap diy options that are clean no hassle and low maintenance this is a great example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JzvfHO31Ug
You really need Co2. most plants that we grow in the aquarium hobby aren't aquatics plants they just tolerate water and live by it in the wild. And even the plants that DO grow under water shoot their stems up to the water surface for atmospheric Co2. And we like to trim our plants short so they never reach the water air interface.
Yes, but only as much as your house air.
If you go this route, you'll get slow growth.
If you have a lot of plants that are reasonably sized, you can have your airpump timed to when the lights are off, and you'll get a bit more growth. Fish, algae, and bacteria breathe c02 after all.
What's the point of nano tanks when you can get a 20 gallon off craigslist for the same price?
I had a 20G tank and I was looking at getting a 5G nano as a second tank till I noticed that for the same money I could just get another 20G
Is 24c too hot to breed crystal shrimp? Every guide I've read said they prefer "cooler" temperatures. Then say their range is 21-25. What do they mean by "cooler"? Cooler than tropical (26c) or towards the cooler end of 21-25?
My tank literally can't get lower than 24 because of the lights.
Is 71-74 F the ideal temperature for red cherry shrimp
I have a 5 gallon with no heater (well I have a $3 heater for a 1 gallon in there but I don't think it does anything)
Should I get a real heater
the greatest success rates for red cherry shrimp are between 75 and 80 degrees, ive had success at 77 twice but as with all things clean stable water conditions should be the main focus as long as the temp is within a reasonable range
I have a 5 gallon tank on my office desk. My room isn't big enough to fit a proper tank in, but my office betta loves his tank and it makes my office, despite being small and having a shitty view, one of the nicest in the company.
Is putting Otos in a nano cruel? That's where they mostly end up.
I have a 100L aquarium and I feel like even that isn't enough room for them.
In large tanks they actually school up and swim incredibly fast.
Woke up this morning to find this.
I'm relieved, I'll get to let her go.
The problem is I keep seeing fish and this morning my dawg frog getting pinned between the tank wall and the breeder box.
They keep doing it
Once every month it seems, but she can choose whether or not she wants to.
She has skipped a month before
For now I'm just keeping them. I got close to 19 from the past 3 months already. Maybe the lfs or the petco adoption tank.
Unless someone here is in LA and wants to pick them up.
In which case give me an email.
They got sailfins and lyretails so they aren't complete garbage
>Tank can't go lower than 24c with lights on
>Turn lights off for the night
>Tank increases temp to 24.5c
>Heater starts to flash warnings at this temp increase
>Ambient temp is 23
So, my betta has been sick for a bit and is now on her last legs, so to speak. She's been laying on the floor of her tank just barely alive and I'm not sure what to do to end this for her peacefully. I currently have no access or way to go pick up clove oil, so that option is off the table.
I feel awful. I've had her for years and I don't want to just toss her away like nothing. Is there anything else I can do? I thought of gradually turning down the temperature of her heater, but I don't know.
just cut off the head quickly with a sharp knife, fish wont feel anything. far less cruel than trying to freeze it to death. have you tried just doing a water change to save it though?
So my mollie has been at it for most of the morning and now its almost 1pm.
I think I might cry when this swordtail dies.
He's a pretty cool little guy.
Oh dude I know.
I got a 13g still from my first aquarium.
I was thinking of doing an axolotl tank.
But gf would freak if I fed the fry.
By the time they're edible they would have names and it would just trumatize muh bitch.
You know what fuck her I'm doing it.
Here's an idea, just get some aquarium safe rocks/slate and super glue them together into the shape you want. Four pieces for each side, one on the bottom so the dirt doesn't fall out.
Rocks to make caves or even the fake rock caves you can buy. Sure more pricey, but they look nicer.
Also bare bottom tanks mfw