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Discuss anything aquarium related here, including inhabitants, decor and issues.

Google is your friend.
Feel free to ask questions but know that there are a lot of resources out there that could answer your question a lot faster and accurately than /an/.

Make sure to include these things in your post before asking because we can't help you if we don't have the full picture:
-tank size
-parameters
-any and all inhabitants + how long you've had them

Links:
>How to cycle your tank: http://pastebin.com/x4WnB0Ah (embed)
>General aquarium care sheets - http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/
>Livestock and plants for sale - http://www.liveaquaria.com/ http://www.aquabid.com
>FUCKING GOOGLE - http://www.google.com
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How come some pet stores sell arowanas for only 30 bucks when they get so fuckhuge that theres barely anyone who can keep them properly?
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>>2046814
Nigga they sell breed of knife fish that get huge as shit for 15 dollars and oscars for 5 dollars and they can easily get 14+ inches
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>>2046814
Why do you ask this about arowana? You can get pacu anywhere for a third that price, and they get even bigger and are goddamn schooling fish
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>>2046814
How come they always have their tongues out? x)
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>>2046848
Or bala Sharks. Literally no one can truly keep them
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>>2046859
>>2046879
Sad part is they sell these at meijers
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How will skunk loaves react to being kept in a 5.5g betta tank? I bought them to eat my snails but they seem more interested in harassing my Corie's.

I have 2 by the way
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>>2046898
Should also mention they're currently in a 55g tank with 7 other species
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>>2046898
Probably die of stress and or stunted growth
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Can't wait for these to get here
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>>2046898
>skunk loaches
REEEEEEEEE

Skunks are great, intelligent, awesome social interactions, stall much smaller than other loaches and are easy to keep, but they're highly aggressive, probably the most aggressive loach you can get in the trade.

I'd remove the cories, buy more loaches (they need groups of 5+) and make sure you have no other bottom dwellers, and that your other fish are small, fast, or can hold their ground.

They will not fare well at all in a 5.5g at all.
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>>2046909
I have 6 Corie's and I'd rather jot remove them. Should I return the skunk loaches or just set up a temporary enclosure until I can move them to the new tank I'm setting up?
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>>2046913
Throw me in the trash. Fucking dime a dozen fish.
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>>2046915
Throw them*
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>>2046913
If you can secure them in good enough housing until you get the new tank running, sure.

Good tank mates for them are other loaches, and top swimming babrs/danios/rasbora.
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>>2046913
Return them, set up your new tank (55g minimum), and buy them back when you're ready

Loaches are not really a fish I'd pick for fish-in cycling
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>>2046892
They sell them at virtually every store. Even the LFS I go to, which is about as enviromentally conscious as a fish store can be still sells them. They do however have a disclaimer on the tank saying that they get huge, and won't sell them to someone who has less then a 55g. They still stock them though. And not even a 500g long tank is big enough for a full grown bala. They don't sell pangasius luckily, those things grow to be true monsters.
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>accidentally win two aquariums on ebay.

What should I put in my second?
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>>2046957
Fish
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Why do people act like arrowanas are expensive?

Some people were saying they cost thousands of dollars the other week. The king of diy on youtube also implied they cost a lot.

My lfs sells them for £15
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>>2046961
because those are the standard pleb version. like the low tier kois
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>>2046814
They aren't planning to keep them for long anyway.
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>snail appears in my tank
>its one of the good kinds
Welcome to the team
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Hey, coastal anon here that was going to make a custom tank.

After doing some more research on fish and considering costs and care, I think I would be better suited with a simpler pet like a couple mice once I get a more consistent job in town. They are just easier to take care of and easier to move if we end up getting a different apartment.

Thank you all for the suggestions and advice though, it was appreciated and maybe one day I might make a cool little aquarium setup, but right now I just think I would get tired of the upkeep within a month or two. Mice I have had before and very much enjoyed them.
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>>2046962
how big are they?
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>>2046989
3 gallon half moon shape and 2.5 cube
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>>2046997
Congrats on your 2 new betta tanks
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>>2046997
You can use them for marimo balls.
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>>2046879
damn, someone gave me one of this as a gift a year ago he was 3 inch but now its like 5 inch.
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What does /aq/ think about these?

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jellyfish-aquarium#/
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>>2046989
Actual ebay winner here tanks I won are 70l and 90l
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So are puffers (specifically Indian Dwarf puffers. Aggressive against other species of fish or just other puffers?
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>>2047099
Everything that moves.
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>>2047099
The only thing that seems to always be safe are Otos, for whatever reason
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>>2047105
Everyone likes otos.
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>>2047089
Well you have options then. Be interesting and make one a basic saltwater setup, so you can stop being a pleb freshwater hobbyist
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>>2047078
stupid af
expensive for what it is could make a square 10 gal tank good for jelly fish for like 50 bucks
also jelly fish dont survive well in captivity and unless your forking over a shit ton of money for more jellys its a waste
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>>2047106
I feel like they must have some fun personality or something that fish like. Maybe their the jokesters of the tank and everything else just gets a kick out of them
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>>2047132
Isn't it almost impossible to keep jelly fish ?
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>Another one of my high grade painted fire red shrimps has died for no reason while I was at work.

I swear I've been sold some defective fucking shrimp.

How is it that the shrimp I bought from a specialist SHRIMP ONLY store are dying off one by one. While the cherries I bought off some guy on facebook are doing fine?
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>>2047139
Probably a difference in water parameters. Though regular low grade cherries are hardy as fuck.
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>>2046906
I looked up other pics of this type of cory and they didn't look as cool as this one
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>>2047111
Or maybe they're small shit eats who no one cares about because it's not worth it.
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So one of my neons died in my second tank earlier, tested my water and I've got a nitrite and nitrate spike for some reason.

I quickly opened my canister filter that has been running on my main tank for months. Took out some rank filter media and placed it in a spare internal filter I have lying around and placed it in my second tank.

Does putting cycled media in a filter make it instantly cycled? Will putting the second internal filter on my tank get rid of the nitrites?

I've thrown in a ton of floating plants to get rid of the nitrates.
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>>2047149
The beneficial bacteria will certainly help, the better question is why aren't you just doing lots of water changes and swapping out your filter pads at proper times?
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>>2047145
Dwarf puffers will nip at anything and everything for territorial reasons, not to eat the fish that's 5x it's size. Therefore your entirely wrong. Also Otos will get eaten in tanks with actual predators, cuz I meals a meal and its alive
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>>2047152
I change 20% of the water every week.
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So sort of a stupid question but I'll ask anyways.
I had a Marineland 100 penguin filter which is rated for up to 20 gallon tanks, which I have. But I decided that that a large one would be nice because it's not like over filtering is a possibility and purchased a Marineland penguin 150 rated for 30 gallons. So right now I have both operating in the tank.
Should I just return the penguin 100? Or is it in anyway beneficial to have both?
I think the water flow might just be too much for a 20 gallon.
Stupid question but what do you all think?
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>>2047156
But if you have a nitrite/ammonia spike your first instinct should be to as big of a water change as possible
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>>2047155
You're not even making sense anymore.
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So I don't know why but the cycle on my shrimp tank has completely crashed.

Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate spikes everywhere.

I don't get it because I was told shrimps basically have no bioload.
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>>2047162
Certainly never hurts to over filter your water, the benefit would be that you can thoroughly clean each filter at any time without worrying about losing a lot of your beneficial bacteria. Unless you have some species (not really aware of a good example) that is an exceptionally slow/poor swimmer, there is no such thing as to much flow. In my 55g community tank, I run 3x 500gph power heads for a current. Some fish don't like it an stay in the purpose built deadzones that I designed, but most of the fish love the current and will constantly swim against it/have fun and let the power head shoot them to the other side of the tank. My cories were infamous for this. They would swim the the far left corner, and purposefully pass right in front the power head, get blasted off to the other side of the tank, then swim back over to the power head to do it again. It's quite a sight seeing 1 large emerald Cory being followed by his 'pack' of 10 Pygmy cories doing this repetitive behavior
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>>2047165
You've obviously never owned a dwarf puffer
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>>2047166
Have you cut off feeding by chance?
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>>2047171
Yes I've stopped feeding too much as I was worried that feeing too much would cause an ammonia spike.
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>>2046814
The one here has a platinum arowana that seems full grown and they want $1500 for it
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Changed 50% of the water, dumped a load of ammonia remover in the tank. Hope that fixes it.

Nitrites are down to trace levels but ammonia is still turning pee yellow when exposed to the test chemical. The ammonia remover should deal with that in a few hours though.

24 hours ago I had 0 ammonia! I don't know where it's come from if shrimp have no bioload.
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>>2047168
thanks anon and I love your story btw about the corys, something I want to add to my tank.
I have a shubunkin goldfish, a comet goldfish, and 5 24kt gold cloud fish, 2 shrimps and 3 snails.
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>Tank basically has 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite 0 Nitrate even after 3 weeks without changing water.

Heavily planed 100L Aquarium. Do I even have to do water changes?
Water changes are just to remove nitrate and my plants use so much nitrate I'm even dosing extra in.
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>>2047143
Mine are pic related from a good breeder
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>>2047107
Salt water tanks are for children and autist. While fresh water tanks are for men who actually enjoy the hobby and not worry about pussy fish.
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I'm trying to figure out why i often have yellowish tinted water.

I have a good filter (built in UV sterilizer and surface skimmer) that's rated for a bigger tank then it's in and just put new ammonia neutralizing filter media with carbon, also a sponge filter, my water circulation is good so I'm thinking it has to be feeding freeze dried blood worms too often and the ones that don't get eaten collect at the top and is fucking up my water.

I don't really know what's causing it, I want crystal clear water that most people have.
Any ideas?
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>>2047203
Forget to add i do 15% water changes once a week, maybe my tap water is really shitty I've never tested it.
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>>2047189
Nope, just fill in what's being evaporated.
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>>2047192
Hah, what a joke. Saltwater systems are actual ecosystems that are actually interesting. Sorry your to fuckin poor to be able to afford it buddy. My reef has over 80 different organisms living happily in their little cube. Your fish tank might have 30 boring fish and thats all. Great biodiversity there
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>>2047186
Corys are the best. I always refer to them as the 'dogs' of the aquarium trade. Once you own a pack of them you'll know why
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>>2047173
You've likely caused the exact opposite, by cutting off their feeding significantly, your shrimp eat everything and leave no excess waste to turn to ammonia (besides what they shit out) and your beneficial bacteria colony likely took a big hit, causing much of the bacteria to die, causing the ammonia/Nitrite spike.
There could totally be something else going on, but since I'm unable to actually observe your tank and that's all the information i was given, i would assume thats what happened.
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>>2047222
This little nigger here thinks salt water tanks cost a great deal of money. Top fucking kek. Enjoy your finding nemo. While I sit here with my fish that won't die if a granule of salt disappears.
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>>2047173
also, feeding to much will rarely cause an ammonia spike unless you do something like accidently dump 5x the amount of regular food into the tank, heavy feeding will however cause nitrate spikes, but thats easy alleviated through water changes. You really can feed as much food as you want, as long as your beneficial bacterial colony is large enough to digest that ammonia, the result will be more frequent water changes though.
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>>2047231
My reef is incredibly stable. and it does cost significantly more money then freshwater, which is why poor plebeians like you get all pissed off at reefers, cuz you'll never get to experience the inflorescent glow of a hundred corals, glowing every color of the rainbow, under actinics. Deal with it poorfag
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>>2047222
>owning saltwater fish
I mean owning some salt water inverts maybe. But salt water fish aren't happy %90 of the time because you know.. The big ass ocean. While most fresh water fish only need certain space to be happy. I should add a cup of sink water with no salt in it in your tank and watch your fish die almost instantly.
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>>2047234
>corals
They're cheap as shit. I would never own a salt water tank due to how sensitive most corals and the fish are. I'd rather have a freshwater set up with nice fish that are hardy so I can relax and watch the tank while fucking my girlfriends.
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>>2047234
Little nigger. Reef tanks are cheap to set up and maintain. Frags range from 5-20 dollars at me lfs.
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>>2047236
I don't really keep saltwater fish. I have a few clowns so that when people look at my fish tank they dont go "well where are the fish, this is a fish tank right?". I keep pom pom crabs, 8 species of hermit crabs, arrow crabs, Nems, and most of all, coral. Go ahead and look at this zoanthid garden isn't more beautiful then a freshwater planted tank, and then I'll call you a liar.
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>>2047236
>While most fresh water fish only need certain space to be happy.
not really, but if we pretend they are you can say the same about ocean fish. Most of the ones you can buy are territorial, they pick a spot and stay there.
>I should add a cup of sink water with no salt in it in your tank and watch your fish die almost instantly.
pfft.
almost all saltwater fish can survive several hours in straight freshwater.
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>>2047181
Pee yellow is good for API. What kit do you have?
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>>2047181
Could be rotting food
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I can't seem to get my ammonia below 0.25ppm.
It has been like this for several weeks, the tank has been cycled for over a month already.
0 nitrite and 10ppm nitrate.
Halp.
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>>2047283
dump some more ammonia
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>>2047246
>>2047260
Beauty is subjective. I for one enjoy the green of a nice planted tank. I like the aquascape of freshwater tanks much more as well. Though when I move into my house by the end of the year I am considering a saltwater tank. I like ugly fish. I wish I could keep the deep ocean ugly fish.
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>>2047246
Reminds me to much of sponge bob.
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>>2047246
Its cool, but its also headache inducing.
My "cheap" fresh water palnt tank is relaxing and beautiful
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So, when I bought some fish this little guy must've slipped into the net as well. I didn't notice him until I got home. That was 3 weeks ago. He was too small for my community so I put him in a nursery tank where I'm raising baby snails.

I'm worried that he's eating too much. Not long after he arrived, worms started popping up. These worms are harmless, in fact they're commercially raised as live fish food. But that's what I'm worried about. I don't have to feed him because he gets plenty from the worms, but all he does is chase/eat them. I tried cleaning a bit but it didn't harm the worm population too much. Suggestions?
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>>2047315
Do it. I promise you'll it. Especially if you just do a FOWLR tank, which really doesn't have to be any more expensIve then a planted freshwater tank
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>>2047380
Hell be fine. But I'd suggest adding some driftwood or substrate for him to hide in/swim around
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>>2046909
>skunk loach the most aggressive loach
Do you even Syncrossus?
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>>2047139
Probably because the ones you bought from a specialist were kept in absolutely perfect parameters their entire lives, while the ones you bought on Facebook are used to changing or imperfect parameters.
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What's the best microtank?

I found a 1 gallon setup at Petco for $4 in the clearance section (pic related). I have zeolite and rocks to add to make it comfy, now I need to pick what will go in it. Here's what I'm considering, but I'll take suggestions.

> Brine shrimp
Can't go wrong with "Sea monkies". I can also feed them to my regular fish as treats!

> Tiny Quarantine/Plant tank
Establish new plants from small plants and quarantine any fish I have that get sick. All my fish are small with meme-cats being the biggest thing I have.

> Shrimps
Maybe 3-5 bumblebee shrimp and some plants? I don't expect to hold a ton here.
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>>2047189
Water changes in a planted tank also add micronutrients. My 55G has never had more than 5ppm nitrates despite heavy feeding and moderate filtration, with a 30% water change every week. Switched to 30% every week and plant growth exploded.
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>>2047203
What's your substrate? Is there driftwood in the tank?
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>>2047449
By the way, tank is plastic if it matters. It came with an under-gravel filter I'll be putting zeolite in, though I can add a sponge filter on the bubbler if it matters to anyone.
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>>2047451
Sand with some gravel mixed in
No driftwood.
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>>2047449
That tank sucks ass, I bought one for $6 just to get the airstone and pump, i use it to keep clean water for my water changes. Idk who uses undergravel filters anymore...at all, or why they were a thing to begin with. If I wanted an outdated noisy filter system id rather use a corner filter or sponge.
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Does anyone have any experience or knowledge with Electric Blue Acaras and Oscars being tank mates?
A friend of mine is moving overseas and wants to give me his young EB Acara that's about 3 inches in length and I currently have an established 50 gallon tank with one young Tiger Oscar that's only 3 and half inches long.
Will their be any trouble between the two if I raise them both together in the same tank?
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Just got this Ivory Mystery Snail the other day and put him in my take of two Platys. I noticed recently that when my snail rests on the glass the Blue Platy bites at the snail and it's starting to form a little chip in its shell. Anyone have an idea on how I can stop this? I don't think I over or under feed my fish. I think my Blue Platy is just really aggressive because she always bites at the other Platy too. Anyway... looking for some help
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>Watching aquascaping videos
>Aquascapers just put drift wood into a dry tank without being weighed down by anything
>Fill tank with water
>The wood doesn't instantly break free of the substrate and float to the top

How do I learn this voodoo power of non floating wood?
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>>2047532
Depends on the type of driftwood. All the mopani driftwood I've ever bought has sunk like a rock.
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Does ammonia remover even do anything?

I'm adding it like mad to my tank and it's doing fuck all.
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>>2047532
Give it a few days, anon. Gotta let it get dat dere waterlogging.
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>>2047532
They might just have pre-soaked it. Leave it in a bucket of water for a few days and it will sink.
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>>2047503
Depends on your oscars temperament at that size. Acaras only get around 5 inches and the Oscar grows at a fast rate. Eventually he'll be able to eat it if I'm not mistaken.
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>>2047540
>Leave it in a bucket of water for a few days and it will sink.
Hopefully! I had a piece that I soaked in a bucket for days in between boiling literally for hours. I also drilled holes in it.

I ultimately ended up using a piece of tile and a long screw to keep it anchored underneath the weight of the substrate.

To be honest I wonder if it's even fully waterlogged at this point, after several months. I mean, it's gotta be.

On an unrelated note, I just got this really weird captcha.
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>>2047536
>Does ammonia remover even do anything?
>I'm adding it like mad
What are water changes?

Seriously though, most products that claim to remove ammonia are like putting a band aid over a a 3 inch deep cut in your arm. Sure it may stop the bleeding temporarily but the blood will just keep flowing out unless the proper care and dressing is given to it, metaphorically speaking.
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>>2047546
Too many water changes will kill my lifestock. I've already changed 50% last night and 10% this morning.
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>>2047549
If the water you're putting back into the tank is clean and has the right parameters, you can do 100% changes every single day. This is not unheard of for discus breeders.
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>>2047551
Crystal shrimp HATE water changes
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So I bought a new tank on craigslist today.

This one uses fluorescent tubes instead of LEDs like my other tank.

I've noticed one of the tubes is white and the other one is towards the purple end of the spectrum.

Is that a UV light? And what's it for?
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>Never bothered testing my tap water hardness before
>Try it
>General hardness: 5
>Carbonate hardness: 3
>TDS: 54

Either my test kits aren't working or yank tap water is atrocious.

When I've been reading American forum posts and watching American youtubers test their tap water they always get TDS over 200 and GH and KH ten times mine.
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>>2047562
Possibly actinics. It'll just make your light spectrum more white/blue. Not a bad thing at all. Could've been an old saltwater tank, or glowfish tank
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After like two months of continuous removal and directed flow, I've almost rid my tank of duckweed.

Careful when you buy floating plants on eBay, too many people have duckweed in their shit.
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>>2047536
>Adding chemicals to tank
>hurrdurr it's not working, must add more
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>>2047507
You could try hitting him with a rolled up newspaper...
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>>2047532
Mine took like 6 fucking months of boiling and soaking to even become neutrally buoyant...
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>>2047099
I have dwarf puffers living with rosy loaches. They're about twice the size of the puffs and too high energy for them to even think of fucking with.
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Got this little guy last Tuesday para mi aquarium. Plopped him in and he's happy as can be
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>>2047609
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>>2047609
I got mine yesterday for my pond and he's been sitting at the bottom like this ever since. Hasn't budged or touched any food, and my aquarium is already cycled with 0 ammonia/nitrites and 10 nitrate. What gives?
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>>2047635
Top kek
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>>2047353
My 30g reef has cost me about as much as my 55g planted Community tank. Not that much more expensive as long as your fine with a lot of DIY and craigslist deals.
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>>2047315
You could keep Nautilus. Pretty cool/ugly looking creatures. Your tank would need a chiller though, since they are cold water
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>>2047315
Brackish water has a pretty neat selection of uggos.
You can have freshwater lionfish, tonguefish, violet gobies and mudskippers.
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>>2047647
Makes me hungry for pasta.
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>>2047653
....Or you could have a SALTWATER lionfish. Or frogfish. Also Mantis shrimp are cool. I suspect I have one living in my reef
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Just got done rearranging the reef
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>>2047671
Montipora rock with assorted mushrooms, anemones, and mangrove tree
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>>2047567
It depends on the city. Our waters are brimming with delicious poisons. Take flint Michigan as an example.
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Impulsive betta purchase
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>>2047717
He's a cutie, but pets should never be bought in impulse.
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>>2047723

I agree. I think probably the vast majority of them are though.
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>>2047717
Nice now get him into a 5 gallon tank
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>>2047723
>>2047724
>>2047725
I guess I shouldn't. I decided yesterday that I wanted one again, but I had no plans of purchasing one so soon. (My last betta died many months ago from swim bladder illness.)

I had been looking on aquabid, and they definitely have a 1337 selection, but it's probably the wrong time of year for me to ship a betta, and I don't like how merchants often ship from Thailand to another domestic shipper who then ships it to me, the cost is high, so I just went to the pet store during my lunch break.

I have an unused 7.5 gallon cube, heater, sponge filter, air pump, light, timer, a bag of black sand. Only issue is it's torn down and uncycled. Going to get it started again and see if I can't get it cycled in a week or two.
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>>2047739
Go home and set it up. It won't be a problem adding him. When I first started I bought a "awesome" 3 gallon half moon plastic tank and put him in right away. He lived for a long time.
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>Pay $20 for some Fluval shrimp substrate
>Pay for next day delivery.
>Really excited all day to come home and set up my tank
>The bag I've bought is literally the size of a large bag of sugar

Looks like I'm not doing my tank tonight.

Also what the fuck Fluval? Last time I spent $20 on some no name gravel substrate I got enough gravel to do TWO 100l tanks.
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>>2047787
>"shrimp" substrate
Welp, there's ya problem, buying anything specialised or aquarium branded usually drives up the price x10. Just buy 3mm pea gravel nigguh.
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>Do water change after water change
>Have now changed 100% of the water in the last few hours
>Still get ammonia readings

Huh?
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>>2047787
That shit is expensive and you don't get a lot in a bag. Well I guess you already figured that out.

>>2047808
I think the advantage of the shrimp substrate is it's supposed to regulate the pH. Probably unnecessary except for finnicky species though.
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>>2047812

What kind of test kit are you using?

Also are you using prime to condition the water?
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>>2047822
Nutrafin test kit and Fluval water conditioner
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Can cat litter be used as substrate, just to put under your main substrate to give it height.
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>>2047824

My guess is that your tank is probably not cycled at all whatsoever, so any amount of ammonia your fish are producing are showing up on the test.

Prime is the best water conditioner because it binds ammonia and prevents it from hurting the fish as the tank cycles.
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>>2047829
I put a fully cycled filter from another tank into this one so I don't know what's going on.
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>>2047812
Have you tested your tap water?
Also, are you using an old or expired kit?
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How do you tell if a heater is fully submersible or not?

Or are they all fully submersible? Some heaters have "FULLY SUBMERSIBLE" printed on them
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>>2047532
Driftwood floats?
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>>2047838
Not all of them are fully submersible. Typically the top with the knob isn't waterproof on the ones that aren't. Find any marked "fully submersible" and you'll be fine.
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>>2047485
Well, then it looks like I did fine for $4. As I said, I'm not against using a different filter than the one that came with it. I just am trying to decide what should go in the 1 gallon microtank: Brine shrimp, just plants, a couple bee shrimp, or something else?
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>>2047832
Even with a fully cycled filter it takes a bit for bacteria to establish. The filter just speeds things up a little.
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>>2047870
Shouldn't the filter already have bacteria in it?
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>>2047875
Yes, it should. Unless it was off for a long period of time until you moved it to the new tank
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Killing time before I setup my 55g again.
Just replanted / moved some stuff in the 5g. Currently housing my double tail and some otos.
Comments?
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>had a heavily planted 10 gallon with one betta and 2 adopted corys
>water wisteria was so think in spots it was dark in places
>water was crystal clear
>cory cats had a shitload of hiding places and were happy
>we move apartments
>in the process of moving apartments, the bottom of the 10 gallon cracks
>ohshitminorities.webm
>quickly move everything into a spare 10 gallon I had, tried to save as much water as I could
>wound up being like 80% new water
>sponge filters weren't out for more than 10 minutes
>at first everything is OK
>then the tank slowly starts looking like someone poured apple juice in the tank
>now the tank is basically barren. anubias is slowly dying. the water wisteria sprouted some offshoots, but hasn't grown since


on the other hand, the fish seem really chill, and the water seems OK. not sure what to do. I think the driftwood is leeching shit into the tank. why I'm not sure.
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>>2047899
Add more meme balls
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>>2047915
found a pic of before it broke
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>>2047647
What's the required tank size for a nautilus?
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>>2047923
At least 10 foot long
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>>2047918
Honestly just in there because they came free with a shrimp order, and I refuse to put them in my 20g
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>>2047928
You can always cut them to pieces and attach to your rocks and driftwood, they'll grow like normal moss.
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>>2047647
>>2047923
You can keep nautilus, but need a tank with water at -least- 3 feet deep, dim lights or no lights, and a monster sized chiller to keep the water at like 60.
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>>2047931
I've been debating that but I do like the look of the bare wood as well. The Marimo in the tank currently is 3 balls that I split from the 1 large I got
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I want to move my 6 gal to a 10 gal but I want to add ada soil. Would it leech too much ammonia even though I'll have all of my old soil and old filter?
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>>2047964
Yes, you may want to add a temporary filter to the 10 gallon until it finishes leeching in 4-8 weeks. ADA soil is meant to be used in the beginning of a set up when the excess ammonia is actually needed in the cycle.
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I have a 10 gal tank which has hundreds of RCS in it. Snail poop is building up a layer on the substrate which is river sand rock filtration thing. My betta lives in there. I do partial water changes quite often now but i only have incandescent lights in there and a bunch of java moss so there's no stopping the snail shit.
I think I have to drastically reduce the snail pop in there but not sure how I can clean the substrate..
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>>2048061
wait I meant ramshorn snails not RCS lol
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I think I can wash it in a bucket and let it float tho. it's winter so the bath is gonna be messed up
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>>2048061
Just use a substrate vacuum
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>>2047380
If he's chasing the worms around, then the very act of hunting will keep him healthy because it's essentially exercise.

That's what fish in the wild do, swim around and stuff as much food in their mouths as they can. Then swim around some more.

It's only a problem if there is not enough food.
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>>2047825
As long as it's chemical free. But watch out, a lot of cat litter brands out there aren't really sand at all and will poison the fuck out of your tank.
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>>2047921
>>2047915
Damn, son, sorry to hear that. Those were some beautiful plants.
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>>2047545
What's weird about that captcha? I get those all the time.
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>>2047899
That is one pretty-ass betta.
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>>2047915
Yeah, sounds like tannins leeching into the water.
How long ago was this? if you replanted your plants, it usually takes a while for them to readjust.

Carbon will get rid of your tannins, or you could just do bigger water changes.
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>>2047825
I wouldn't try it.
Most cat litter has clumping chemicals added that I doubt your fish would appreciate.
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>>2048122
around October is when we moved. in all honesty, the anubias isn't too bad. just one leaf that't yellowing.

the wisteria pretty much melted, though. the stems are still there, but the leaves just started rotting off.
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>>2046961
because there's more then one kind of arowana?
even among SA arowana's there's a budget kind (silver) and a exclusive species (black), then there's the african which is closer related to an arapaima, and then you have the three(?) asian species and two australian species.
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Anon here that was getting crazy ammonia spikes and nitrite spikes in an established aquarium for 2 days straight even while changing 100% of the water twice.

Bought an API test kit and just tested the water. Ammonia and Nitite is 0.

So either the ammonia and nitrite has finally vanished over night after 2 days. Or the Nutrafin test kit is a piece of shit.
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New aquascape

Trying a sanded area that I've never tried before.

Who wants to bet it all smushes into one big mess as soon as I add water?
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>>2048146
Forgot pic
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Hmm still somewhat intact.

Thus fluval substrate is fucking filthy
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>>2048116
Thanks
My local petco has amazing bettas for some reason
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>>2047927
Not at all. Height is more important with a nautilus
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>>2048166
That is a gorgeous betta.
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>>2048115
I don't think it's solvable. And usually they give you a matrix of unrelated images, not one image split into 16 pieces. I don't think it was solvable, either.
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How am I supposed to get my angelfish to stop stealing algae wafers from my ancistrus and shrimp?
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>>2048250
Feed him first with surface foods, or let him have a wafer and drop another on in another spot

I'm worried about the same thing too when I transfer my Kuhlis to my main tank, there's 7 greedy ass Amanos that will steal any food they can get their grubby little appendages on and hide. Thinking about transferring half their population into my quarantine tank permanently and seeing if I can give them away later
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>>2048247
How is clicking 3 fucking squares "not solvable"?
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>>2048267
I am giving him cichlid flakes. He eats them, then he swims off to eat algae wafers.
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Thinking about setting up a fish tank. I had a planted freshwater tank years ago that was quite successful. Now, I'm considering a reef tank. One of the reasons for this is because it seems like marine creatures have more "personality" than freshwater. So my question is this: if I were to set up either a freshwater or saltwater peaceful tank, what are some creatures to put in it that have a lot of personality*

*i know it's hard to define personality in terms of tank animals, but hopefully you get the jist of my meaning.
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>>2048299
The personality comes from "please let me free I belong in the ocean not in a small box. In the wild I travel very much and very far I need the room please kill me at least"
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Question.
When I was younger I had a tiny fishtank that came with these weird eggs that you would hatch and you would raise these tiny white seahorse looking fish things and I think they grew in the sunlight or ate algae or something. Does anybody know any fish like that or what the product was called. Its considered a toy for children if that helps
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>>2048309
artemia aka seamonkeys aka brine shrimp
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>>2048299
Most of the fish with a lot of personality are also predators...
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>>2048314
Alright thanks, I dont think I've ever gotten them to the last stage maybe the second last, kinda glad I didn't they look creepy af
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>>2048299
How large of a tank are you looking for? and do you want to keep live coral as well?
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>>2048332

I'm thinking about 55 gallons. I'm open to keeping coral. >>2048332
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>>2048319
explain
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>>2048345
Dragons do real
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>>2048338
We'll you should decide early on whether or not you want to keep coral, because that also dictates what type of fish you can have. I personally think that out of all the species I've encountered (15 years in the hobby), puffer fish are in general the most interested in whats going on outside of the tank, and especially in you. But, they don't always play well with coral, and you dont want to come home to a grinning puffer after he feasted on $200 in coral
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If I set up a tank today new substrate new hard scape new filter (but with media taken from a fully cycled canister filter)

Is it safe for delicate fish?

Or should I just throw in a few of my zebra Danios for a week to mini cycle it?
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Hey guys, anon who got the skunk loaches here.

After a few days of them being in the tank I have observed two things

1. There has been a snail holocaust
2. The loaches have become less aggressive. In fact they might even be schooling with my Cory's

I have some pregnant platys and I'd very much like for the fry to survive. So I'm wondering if I keep my current loaches and see if this pattern of decreased aggression continues and hope they don't eat my fry or return them and hold out for a less aggressive species?

Also thinking about getting some Marimo.
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>>2048347
no
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>>2048357
Almost certainly will eat your fry. Hell, I've seen Cories eat fry and shrimplets
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>>2048345
Some kind of shrimp or something releases a chemical tha lights up so the fish will spit em out
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Trying to decide what to round out my 10 gallon planted with.
>African dwarf frogs
My roommates want them but my friend that knows his shit has a weird hate-boner for them
>blue gouramI
love how they look but Ive been told they're boring. Do they make bubble nests?
>guppies, danios, plecos, other standard tank fare
Id write out a list of what i have to choose from but its pretty big and they all have the same specifications. how do the diffrrent species act in a tank?
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At what point should I worry? My tap water is about the same
I don't have an issue keeping ammonia under control in my cycled tank, but I'm worried about my axolotl tank that is still cycling
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>>2048422
Those little fucks are pretty hardy when it comes to water quality.
They seem tobhate heat even more.
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>>2048417
ment tetras, not plecos.
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>>2048417
I have a blue gourami.
She is pretty peaceful, I have never seen her make a nest.
I think they are good with tetras.
Try to get a chill one. They might try to finish off a sick or dying fish. You never know
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>>2048417
>my friend that knows his shit has a weird hate-boner for them
Why though
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>compare colour to chart
>doesn't really match any
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>>2048452
just asked. apparently they're boring af
>>2048450
does she spit? I love fish tricks and if I can get one to spit thats a definate buy for me
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Is there any quick start biological additive that actually works? Or is it all a meme?
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>>2048456
I have never seen it happen. She just sorta swims around looking for things to swim through.
Mine loves the leaves of my amazon sword and likes to squeeze through my decor.
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>>2048464
did you ever try? they spit at bugs and stuff so you might be able get her to just by holding something towards the top of the tank
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>>2048417

Don't get a Blue Gourami for a 10 gallon, that's way too small and they grow up to 6"

Try a Dwarf Gourami, Honey Gourami (Colisa Chuna), or a shoal of Sparklers
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>>2048464
and do I need more than one or will it be content on its own
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>>2048471
I was talking about dwarfs. and the reason I'm asking is because the local pet store has a shitty selection and nowhere else has anything
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>>2047875
If it's a new tank, then beneficial bacteria have to reestablish in the substrate. It's good that you have an established pad though, otherwise the ammonia probably would've screwed with your fish a bit.

For the future, if you can, it's good to bag up some old substrate in pantyhose, for example, and leave a few units of that in the new tank so that the old substrate's bacteria can work while new bacteria builds in the tank. Then take out one unit at a time over the course of a few weeks.
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>>2048478
Someone else said that substrate doesn't hold any bacteria as it's not oxygenated so I'm getting mixed signals here.
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>>2048497
There is bacteria in the substrate
It's on everything, but mostly on porous surfaces like sponges, rocks, and substrate
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>>2048499
Well the ammonia has finally gone away after 2 days.

I'm wondering if I should transfer over my live stock now (shrimp and betta) shrimp can't tolerate any ammonia at all. So I don't know if it's a risk and I could get another spike.

On the other hand it's 90L of water, so there is some room there before ammonia builds up to dangerous levels.
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>>2048499
>It's on everything,
there is indeed bacteria all through the substrate.

just not nitrifying bacteria.
those are aerobic and photosensitive. They need dark places to live and they require oxygen.

there isn't oxygen in most substrates. The bacteria eat it all and then die, and there's no water circulation in the substrate to bring more in.
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>Have random Juwel heater from a job lot of aquarium shit I bought of some guy
>No markings to indicate tempreture
>thermostat spindle can twist around 360 degrees several times
>Set it as low as it will go
>Heating my tank 24 degrees and climbing

So either this is broken or Juwel have invented a heater that's lowest temperature is above 24
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>If you wash nitrifying bacteria in tap water it dies
>If you turn off your filter for 30 minutes it dies
>It you don't have an ammonia sauce it dies

Why is nitrifying bacteria such a pussy?
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>>2048474
Mine is with like 14 other small fish.
I heard they can be aggressive to their own kind.
But I also read they like to be in small groups too, but I think you need big tank for that.
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My boss passed onto me his 55g tank. Looking for cool ideas for it. Last tank had live plants and a tree trunk-ish decoration, my tetras love hanging out inside of it. All of my decorations are too small for the 55g, I'm looking to probably decorate the tank with one piece (maybe driftwood?) and live plants again.
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how do you guys dry your API test tubes?
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>>2048467
I am going to try it.
She is a smart girl and queen of the tank

Goddamn mollies always get in the way whenever I try to photograph anything
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>>2048628
Get out of the way!
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Even my dalmatian mollie (the silver sketer) is a photo bombing bitch.
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>>2048638
God, such an awesome fish
>tfw it's gonna be the first fish in my tank I specifically want instead of just being in there to meet a requirement
I can't wait /aq/
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>>2048643
Yeah she is easily my favorite fish.
Her name is Cassandra
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>>2048643
What requirements did you have to reach in your own tank?
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>>2048627
I roll up a paper towel and squeeze it in
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I guess this is a good thread to ask this in, what are very low maintenance aquatic (or terrestrial-terrarium) animals that I can raise?

I was thinking of looking into snails but I'm in America and there are a few popular species we aren't allowed to have. I
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>>2048665
I have a planted tank, and I wanted to get the algae eaters and hardier fish started first
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>>2048677
Apple snails are a good option.
Dwarf frogs are also fine.
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>LFS sells minnows for 15¢
>can buy 100 for only $15

Should I?

After I get the tank required of course
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>>2048525
>implying Fluval products aren't top tier

Why am i not surprised that /aq/ is full of plebs?
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>>2048417
I have 4 ADFs in a 10 gal and I love them very much. They are very funny looking creatures cause they act and look so dumb. they are almost blind and act extremely clumsy all the time as they try to move around or eat, even falling on their backs en stuff. Only when they breath are they super pecise and they bomb pretty fast. very cute too, I always liked frogs :)
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>>2044509
Lurking this thread and realizing goldfish are underrated. Are there breeds that don't get fuckhueg?
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Is asking your lfs to order a fish for you better than just ordering it yourself online?
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>>2048711
All the smallest goldfish breeds are extremely fucked up genetically, you should get rosy minnows instead.
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>>2048711
Seconding >>2048726
Rosy red minnows are much more interesting than goldfish too.
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>>2048628
>>2048635
>>2048638

I have one of those. That's actually a lavender gourami.
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>>2048750

Oh, shit.
Whoops. I thought you were still talking about a dwarf gourami. I had to think about that.
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>>2048695
Fuck yes.
That will look so cool
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>>2048553
It won't die in tap water and it can survive up to 12 hours
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>>2046906
What kind of cory is that?
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>>2048314
>>2048309
>dat southpark episode

It always leaves me wondering what would actually happen in real life if someone dumped that much jizz into a fishtank that size.

Would it kill everything in the tank? Or, heaven forbid, would the fish simply eat it all?
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>>2048460
I think for most people it's a meme, because they expect insta cycle, so they throw it in, then go sit on their lazy ass and are pissed as fuck when all their fish die due to drowning in their own shit and piss.

If you know your shit, and buy the right product, and know specifically how it works, and what to do in conjunction with the product, then it should significantly increase the speed of cycling your tank.

But really, I would just take some bacteria samples from the sponge filter of an already cycled tank and put that in your own sponge filter. That's the simplest, and best guaranteed way to help boost the cycling process. It's foolproof and won't fuck up your tank.
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>>2048077
Could you use the feces as fertilizer for the plants? I have a dirted aquarium thats heavily planted.
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>>2048509
Transfer your betta first and see how it goes
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>>2048746
I know there are a few in on the minnow meme, but Gold Clouds are the motherfucking shit, cute as a button and flashy as fuck, they have the flash and color of a betta, but the streak and style of a danio. Cheap, pretty, easy to take care of and just dang cool, imo.
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>>2048850
as an Addendum, I have White Clouds, but the Gold Clouds seem to be seen more than just the basic variety, but, what ever morph you see, buy some, Ive kept 4 in my 5gal for a year so far, and they still get amped when the lights come on and eat flake or bloodworms
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>>2048832
You're better off getting an actual substrate with fert in it.
It'll have more nutrients that your plants need and won't contribute to nitrogen
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>>2048628
That black mollie is fat as fuck. Or is she just pregnant?
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>>2048711
Pretty much any fancy breed of goldfish, but most of them have been bred into abominations. Google fantails. They are the most ascetically pleasing to the eye and physically well formed of the smaller breeds of goldfish.
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>>2048855
She is pregnant.
I am expecting her give birth some time in February
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>>2048863
Are you going to keep the fry, or let them fend for themselves among the adults?
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>>2048865
I'm not sure. I got a breeder box so I'll try that for a bit, but its getting crowded in my 36g
The 1st liter had 2 survivors
The 2nd had minimal casualties and like 14 have survived. They are about 2 months old now
The third batch was the largest, easily 40 fry. They arrived on December 20th
But only 2 tedpid fry survived and still going strong among my plants
I'm assuming the adolescent rekt the rest.
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>>2048868
You have a gorgeous tank anon, I jelly.
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>>2047246
nice
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>>2048422
My water is at 8.2, and I don't have any problems with fish.
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I need help /aq/ I can't remember the name for a saltwater "fish" I swear I've seen a video of them and they swim/walk around on 6 legs, they are very purple and the best way I can describe them is looking like little cows, I think I saw that they hunt prey using stingers but I could be wrong. Please help me, you are my only hope.
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>>2048881
Like this thing?
Jesus, it looks like something from Gyo...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcMcPVf969s
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5 guppy have fry. No fry in sight also have 6 ghost shrimp with two that are 2.5 inches and a small bristlenose.
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Thinking of taking all my crystal shrimp from their 15l and putting them in their new 90l aquarium tonight.

Tank was set up new yesterday. However filter was filled with pre seeded media from a mature tank. I'll transfer over the filter from the shrimps tank too which is fully cycled.

This a bad idea?
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>>2048883
Fug dat thing is scary
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>>2048899
Yea. Let it sit at least a week, otherwise I bet your going to lose shrimp
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>>2048854
Oh, cool.

Not too worried because of the way I set up my tank. I actually had excessive nutrients so I got duckweed and anacharis help out. I'm just dealing with a heavy case of hair algae because I recently got higher lighting.
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>>2048814
>Or, heaven forbid, would the fish simply eat it all?
Maybe this is only what you want to happen?
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Could y'all possibly help me with today's crossword? Its 15 letters

The hint is 'really unpopular fish?'
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>>2048956
Reviled Snappers?
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>>2048956
Great white shark? Idk about popularity but that's all I can think of that's 15 letters
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First time postin, fuckin A

Anyone got experience on Humbug Catfish (Platydoras armatulus) or the Striped Dora (Platydoras costatus)?
Love the looks, the size and the temper for my upcoming 500l but don't know if they'll be worth it. I mean i don't mind not seeing them alot, but it would be nice if they would even eat during the day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JqeMYy-e64
This video is inspiration
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>>2048990
What other fish are you gonna have in the tank?
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Which of your fish is the biggest cunt?
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>>2048990
Well I wouldn't shove that many fish in a tank that size.

Plus the tank you are buying isn't that big. You'll probably see them, but I never had corys either
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>>2048990
Extremely beautiful, peaceful fish.
I wish I could find them, they're pretty rare apparently.
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>>2048994
My Sailfin mollie is a complete fucking asshole.

But the hugest asshole has to be my green latern platy. He chased my last platy around to death and any fish that looks remotely weak he chases.
Im sure he was the one ripping the fins off fry too.
Super cute tho, I might get a grip of them with some blue platys and female swordtails
For hybrids
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I came home from work and checked on my female guppy. They looked like the dropped. Gravid spots were pale and almost non existent now they're back to stage day 31
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>>2048994
My dalmatian molly will not stop chasing the other mollies. Non-stop chasing, all day.
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>>2048883
No, it was very cute, slow, like it would go good with seahorse
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>>2048993
Current plan is pair of Hoplos, a little gang of cories, a school of tetras and maybe a pair of angelfish. And otos ofc
Really open for debate, will start proper planning once i get the tank cleaned up and moved to my new place. Will hop in here for ideas, the catfish are the only fish i really want to have.
>>2048995
I wouldn't either desu, but the video and the cories swarming everywhere looks really cool.
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>>2048994
My tomato clown bit the tail of one of my chromis clean off the other day. Also, I had a sally lightfoot crab that would perch on top of rocks, wait for a fish to pass by, jump on their back, dig his claws into their eye sockets and pop them out. then continue to eat the fish. Lost a damsel and a clown to him before i could catch him.
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How much time will a cycled sponge filter save on a new tank?

I just set up my first Walstad, and threw in the filter from my shrimp tank a few days ago.
Just tested my water, and it's
Ammonia 0ppm
Nitrite 0ppm
Nitrate 5-10ppm

Surely, my cycle just hasn't started yet, right??
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>>2049082
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>>2049062
Smaller tetras like neons might end up as catfish food once the lights go out. Go with a taller or thicker bodied species. What kind of cories were you thinking about getting?
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>>2049082
Instantly cycled
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>>2049087
Raphael cats won't bother tetras.
Maybe Hoplos will.
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>>2049082
>walstad
>No rooted plants.
Are those plants you do have even real?
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>>2049087
>>2049093
Raphaels seem to be really peacefull so im not worried about them. I had Hoplos (Megalechis thoracata i think) in my first tank with sterbais and cardinals and they never bothered them, they're just really boisterous at feeding time. I think they were my favorite fish in the tank too, cool looking and pretty active fish.

Got no special cory in mind, whatever fits the specs really. Sterbai is still strong on the list, as well as skunk cories
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>>2049096
That cabomba will be everywhere soon.
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>>2049102
They're peaceful but smaller tetras might start going missing at night, especially if you have a larger raphael.
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>>2048725
please help I also want a Raphael catfish
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>>2048725
Depends on the markup and if your store requires a minimum order but you save a ton on overnight shipping. Smaller fish will definitely need a larger order but individual fish like larger catfish or bichirs can be ordered individually. See if the store requires a down payment, how much it is, and what's their policy of DOA orders.
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>>2048994
My Convict Cichlids are real mother fuckers
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>>2048994
Tiger barb. Bought 6 and they were fine for months. Then one started attacking every other fish in my tank. Something killed him though.
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>>2049096
Yeah, I just haven't planted anything yet. I was assuming I had about a month for it to cycle, so I was just being lazy.
I'm planning to go rock hunting on Sunday or Monday so I can scape it and get stuff planted.
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>>2049114
If only they got bigger, they'd be primo aquaponic material.
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>Netting 30 shrimp 1 by 1

Get in the net you cunts
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>>2049183
Just grab them.
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>>2049186
Grab them? With what?
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>>2049188
With your bare hands.
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How does /aq/ feel about the Fluval E series?

I was looking for a heater for my new tank. Picked up a cheap Chinese one at the shop but then saw one of these and decided since I got paid yesterday to splurge and try it out. Ofc it's like double the price of a cheap chinese one.

Seems like it would be good as it has a temp sensor in built to sense water temperature and displays it on the screen. And it adjusts it's temp based on this with microprocessor doohickies. Whereas standard heaters just use some archaic mechanical thermostat to control heat.
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>>2049190
Wont that damage them?
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Is there honestly any point drip acclimating fish between two aquariums at the same tempreture and with the same tap water?

They're both at 23 degrees and to be honest the bucket of water they're being acclimated in is just dropping down to 22 degrees because of ambient air temp.
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>>2049191
They're pretty good but not very aesthetically pleasing in your tank, but if you don't care about that then get one.
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>>2049212
>aesthetically pleasing

Is any heater? I always hide mine.
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>>2049215
The Jager tru temp is sexy as fuck and a great heater IMO, I never bother to hide mine so for me it's important that i like the design.
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>Buy new aquarium off craigslist
>This tank uses tube lighting
>With the lights on the temperature is 24 degrees always
>Heater set to 22
>Want to keep cold water livestock in there

What do?
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>>2049190

That could easily kill them.
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Someone make a new thread, cunts.
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>>2049203

Is the pH the same?
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>>2049249
Slightly different.

The old tank has inert gravel substrate so has a PH of 7.

The new tank has a PH of 6.5 because I used special substrate to achieve a PH level they like better.
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>>2049192
>>2049230
Only if you're not delicate.
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New thread:
>>2049266
>>2049266
>>2049266
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>>2049141
You want plants in there ASAP, and LOTS of them.. it needs to be like a jungle in there. When i start walstads, I plant the fuck out of them from the very beginning and usually let them sit for a month under my halides to let everything establish itself and a root system. THEN comes the fish. I recommend gettings lots of rooted planted in there ASAP to let them grow out. get something fast growing like water lettuce and baby tears.
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>>2049223
Get a fan
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>>2049182
It's funny you say that because a local pond is lousy with them.
Literrally thousands of free convict cichlids swimming in reclaimed water.
If I do a cichlid tank i know where I'm going.
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>>2049293

That or slap together a peltier tank cooler with a temperature switch.
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>>2048350
Danios are the anti-meme when it comes to cycling. Literally they are bred and studied by scientists in laboratories because they are able to regenerate organ tissue from ammonia burn etc
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