I see it as being pointless and a waste of the person's GPA.
>Being a vet has a lower status and income
>The number of years of studying in grad school is the same though
>Job security is somewhat lower than being a doctor
>You memorise the same shit about anatomy so it's not like vet school is easier
>Both are just as stressful as you need to perform operations and that is gruesome
>Vet school may as well be harder as you need to deal with so many species of animals
Just look at what people said in this thread
It's all a myth.
No. Fuck off.
You had your thread where people tried to explain it to you, but you refused to accept any other opinion than your own. I won't baited into a pointless argument with you any more.
It's not bait. Just look at that other thread:
"I guess just be prepared to enjoy your job off the bat but after a year or so realise that you will be kinda bummed and over it.
Doing something you truly enjoy makes it less miserable and will feel less like work.
But there's a reason you get paid, if it were that great you wouldn't be paid."
"They probably haven't worked in the same job for a while is my guess.
I've loved every job up until a year then just feel pretty over it.
I read somewhere the excitement and thrill of a job wears off after a year."
If what I said was wrong, people would not post these responses.
OP is a fucking retard for the simple fact that he thinks people choose their careers based strictly in income and social status. In reality most people are happy to make just enough to live comfortably and pay bills and more importantly, they choose a job that is aligned with their interests, not on how much extra worthless junk they can afford by doing a job they don't give a single fuck about. Only a cuck chooses to do a job based solely on profit potential.
Some people, hey just think, some people arnt your Max Sterner type selfish nihilistic retards and don't make pointless strides towards the acquirement of wealth and the consumption of goods.
Sometimes, helping animals makes people happier more than just more money could.
Holy shit. I don't even give a fuck about this thread. But it looks like a bunch of kids fighting. Calm the fuck down you autistic fucking bitches and go play in the snow or something. Gtfo the interwebs and smoke some fucking dope. Take a chill pill. Go release your frustrations in a fantastic pussy. Do something. Fuck.
>implying I can get any pussy
>American work culture is one of the worst in the world and certainly not representative for other developed countries
>Source: I've been a software engineer in Holland for almost five years and I absolutely love my job.
What an absolute shit statistic to quote. It would be far more relevant to look at job satisfaction of veterinarians vs. job satisfaction of doctors.
Also, pic related. The vast majority of veterinarians are satisfied with their job. Now piss off and go do your homework.
>constantly spamming the same thread desperately searching for people who agree with his opinion
>finally find a couple that do
>LOOK GUISE IM NOT WRONG 4 OUT OF THE HUNDREDS OF REPLIES ACTUALLY AGGREE WITH ME
>calling people who disagree with you stupid/wastes
you're right, you're not closed minded, you're an immature faggot who can't be satisfied with people wanting to do things you don't agree with in your own line of thinking. go spam on another board, the anwsers you get won't be any different than last time, and you'll still think it's a flaw in everyone else and not yourself. because like I said, you need to grow the fuck up
Okay fair enough. Keep in mind though that this is a result of America's work culture making everything around the job shitty, for example, long working hours, shit job security, shitty retirement plans, etc. All these factors contribute massively to stress and poor mental health.
Furthermore, these issues aren't exclusive to just veterinarians, seeing how almost half of all (American) doctors would choose a different career path, if they could choose again. http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2012/04/27/why-do-so-many-doctors-regret-their-job-choice
Should change the title to "why don't shelter workers study vet science to become a vet if they care so much about animals".
The thread would be short lived because of the simple answer that shelter workers are too stupid while at the same time retaining a toxic attitude towards the general public.
I wanted to be a vet when I was little because I love animals and wanted to help them. But when it came time to do dissection in high school, I realized I'd be far too squeamish to perform surgeries and such. So if I do end up working with animals, it'll have to be as a volunteer somewhere, at a pet store, or fostering.
Well, I only have personal experience with Dutch and American work culture, so I can't speak for other countries.
I have to say though, working in the Netherlands is so vastly superior to working in the states. I'm not even allowed to work overtime at my current job, when I still worked in the US, it was expected of me to work at least 4 hours overtime per week.
Dutch taxes are also much higher than in the United States and you have many very Socialist policies that are ultimately unsustainable.
Reclaiming the sea only can give you so much clogman.
Patently false, so long as immigration is not uncontrolled. You Americans really need to get over this fear for ensuring a decent life for everyone. It pays back in productivity. Besides that is what the state exists for.
How is being paid much less compared to the rest of the world a good thing??
>Our poor are like kings
And that's not entirely true, otherwise your burger flippers wouldn't have gotten all butt blasted for being "underpaid".
They are Buttblasted because they want to live like ACTUAL we wuzz kangz and shit.
They want 5 more flat screens and 3 more pit bulls and 7 more chilliuns.
Not because they actually need more money.
I lol'd, true point. What about the waiters and waitress' in the US though? I remember reading that the only way they can live comfortably is if they get tips, due to them being heavily underpaid as well. I never even understood the concept of tipping until i went to the US desu.
>bringing up "mean shelter worker" meme
>no one was even talking about shelters
dude, we get it, you have an issue with shelter workers. stop pushing this shit. pretty sure you're the same guy who got all buttblasted in the thread about Christmas puppies
>being this buttmad
Every time I've been to the shelter the people were helpful and gave me no issues or weird demands whatsoever. Pretty much just went in, signed for the animal after a visit, and left.
no, I work at petsmart, but my friend does. but there's been one guy who got upset in one thread about Christmas puppies spamming this shit since then. it's annoying and really applies to anyone who deals with really shitty people a lot, not just shelter workers. honestly if I saw the things they did all the time, doubt my opinion of people would be the same
Store owners try to make sure they can compete with big business by cutting losses wherever they can. One of which is by transferring some of the overhead onto the consumer via tipping.
If they don't make minimum wage, either
A. They are a shit waiter, and will be paid up to minimum wage
B. Are fired
Basically a waiter job is for a high schooler. The problem is mexishits flood the market with low labored workers and shit.
Tbh, I'm againts a memeium wage.
What the fuck is wrong with shelter workers?
I voulenteer the shit out of my time.
I've been told I should work at the place 8 times.
I probably will later next month.
What's your beef?
Pic related is going to be my new doggo once he gets his hip xrayed and giardia treated.
The job I had the most 'fun' with and was happy with was a physical slave laboring job getting paid $8.50 an hour. Yeah I could just barely pay my bills, but I managed. Only reason why I didn't stick with it was not because of the money, but because it was the kind of work that'd cripple you by the time you're in your 30s.
Still thinking about cutting my hours and doing part time there though.
Some of the workers have Autism.
I only get mad if someone does something gravely retarded, like sticking fingers into a pitbulls cage with a big ass red sticker saying "please don't stick fingers into cage"
Toxic attitude. Come across some bad owners then suddenly every owner is a bad owner. Imagine if every profession had that sort of mind set? That kind of attitude is why police brutality exists.
>honestly if I saw the things they did all the time, doubt my opinion of people would be the same
That's no excuse. My father-in-law is a nurse and he's had multiple patients try assault him, he wouldn't be in that profession long if he assumed everyone was like that.
pretty sure you're the same guy, considering all he kept repeating was about how nurses have it worse
but you're also comparing pretty different things. and try talking to people who work mostly with abuse victims and such, a lot of them have the same view of the world. plus what someone says on an anonymous image board =/= to real life
I made an analogy, how does that say in any way that nurses have it worse?
And also, you're missing the point. People who work with abuse victims don't suddenly accuse everyone of being an abuser.
You've clearly had this conversation with someone before, which says magnitudes about this topic.
>>Implying that bad owners aren't extremely common.
this is probably the same problem shelter workers have.
when you see abuse everywhere, perhaps it's you that's got a problem, not others.
You realize why some workers are like that right?
The amount of returns people get are rediculous. "OH WE DIDN'T REALIZE HOW ENERGETIC HE WAS" etc. etc.
That or someone like Paul, who was adopted as a puppu, fell out of the back of a pickup broke both legs and now refuses to ever go around humans.
Terrible dog owners are the most common thing. Cat owners are much easier to judge, but a dog is a lot of work.
>try talking to people who work mostly with abuse victims and such, a lot of them have the same view of the world
This desu. My gf is a therapist for abused kids, constantly hearing and seeing the type of horrible things people are capable of really fucks up your perception of others.
>Having a jaded opinion of others because of the bad apples can sometimes be ones own fault
I really don't blame them at all though like you seem determined to do. someone sees a lot of the horrible people in the world, of course it's going to make them more critical. I imagine it's even harder when working with animals, since some downright awful things done to them are completely legal or culturally accepted, and there aren't serious consequences for the bad owners.
>you're highly underestimating the number of negligent/irresponcible/neglectful and even abusive owners are out there
or you've raised the bar of self-righteous condemnation so high nobody meets your standards.
it doesn't really matter, they only person you're killing with your attitude is yourself.
When you're representing a profession/company etc, then yes you have a higher accountability for your actions. Just like it's acceptable to be critical of the police force, even if it's just "a few" who step out of line.
>I really don't blame them at all
If you want to encourage such unprofessionalism in the work force, then that's your prerogative.
Shelters are by needs not for profit.
It is going to have to be a certain level of unprofessional.
If it was professional they wouldn't let every nigger that wants "MAH PITBULLLLL" come in and get one.
Get the fuck out of here you fucking faggot.
>Implying people don't experience this attitude in real life
Who said anything about venting 4chan?
>Shelters are by needs not for profit.
So is the police force you "fucking faggot", yet they're expected to maintain a level of professionalism no matter how many degenerates they've dealt with in the past. Same can be said about any government agency. Oops, there goes your argument down the shitter.
yes, you've got this cycle where you raise your expectations so nobody can meet them and then tell yourself you have a right to look down on people that don't meet your expectations.
and that is a bit sad. But it's not actually sad for you, because it makes you feel like you're better than others while still pretending to want to help them.
in reality you aren't better than anyone at anything and you know it, so you cling desperately to the persona you've created where you get to look down on other people for not being able to afford vet care or whatever. Something you've never had to do because your mom pays all your bills.
>>Implying people don't experience this attitude in real life
And for every story that comes up of "mean shelter worker", there's multiple of having an opposite type of experience. What's your point exactly?
>there's multiple of having an opposite type of experience
You mean the multiple shelter workers responding in protest? This is /an/ anon, you underestimate how many shelter workers, or people that work in similar fields, are here.
>you raise your expectations so nobody can meet them
>not being able to afford vet care or whatever
it's pretty common to know you shouldn't get a pet that you can't afford to care for
>You mean the multiple shelter workers responding in protest?
I'm not talking about this thread, I'm talking about how in general for every negative story, there are numerous positive ones
>implying everyone disagreeing with your jaded mentality is a shelter worker
plus no one was even fucking talking about this until you randomly started complaining about it LOOKING for an arguement
>You tried twisting my sentence thinking you'd make a point
I'm not they guy you're arguing with.
though it is a bit funny that you think /an/ is full of all these people but somehow also think everyone that disagrees with you is the same person.
>There are numerous positive ones
You know shelter workers have a negative attitude when basic customer service comes off as "positive". And before you try, yes, i said customer service. No, i am not implying shelters are a business of profit.
And this is a thread about vet school no? Seemed a bit odd to compare doctors to vets, why not compare to professions of the same field i.e. shelter workers and vets. If i had to make a quick observation, i'd say these shelter workers with the snarky attitudes clearly lack the composure, professionalism and honestly, the intelligence to be a vet.
>you think /an/ is full of these people
A lot has self professed actually, how long have you been here?
> but somehow also think everyone that disagrees with you is the same person.
Never said this
>You know shelter workers have a negative attitude when basic customer service comes off as "positive"
You're making an awful lot of assumptions anon
>Seemed a bit odd to compare doctors to vets, why not compare to professions of the same field i.e. shelter workers and vets
because it's far from the point OP was trying to make
> i'd say these shelter workers with the snarky attitudes clearly lack the composure, professionalism and honestly, the intelligence to be a vet
It seems like the snarky jaded one here is you desu
>Complains that shelter workers are toxic
>Acting like such a pseudo-superior smartass
Topkek, at least the shelter workers can blame their attitude on dealing with shitty owners all the time. What's your excuse?
Go ahead then anon. Describe to me one story where a potential adopter had such a positive experience with a shelter worker.
>because it's far from the point OP was trying to make
Only because you choose not to see the correlation.
>Better job security
>Better social status
Can be applied to both the vet/doctor and the s.w/vet discussion.
>It seems like the snarky jaded one here is you desu
Considering this is quite a common stereotype, i doubt it.
Professed to being a shelter worker. Keep up.
And what local police forces do you speak of anon? Only place i can think of is in America with the dindu nuffins, but surely you're not stupid enough to think the american perception of police applies world wide? Seems like your argument is the only one failing here.
Also, what makes me sad is the constant loss of animals.
I saw three dogs die in one day a few years ago.
I now stay out of medical.
>this nigga doesn't realize the type of people that surrender dogs to shelters and what kind of dogs come into shelters
OP has catshit for brains
One is a private by needs not for profit private Institution for absused and abandoned animals that runs on donations.
The other is a for profit public institution instilled by law with an almost unlimited discretionary budget.
It's not comparable.
>Professed to being a shelter worker.
I've seen hundreds of vets on /an/ then if that's what we're going by.
also bugguy is a well-known botanist that makes world famous lectures at European universities.
>Describe to me one story where a potential adopter had such a positive experience with a shelter worker
you have google, don't you? and there are even threads on here of people talking about their positive experince either adopting from or volunteering at a shelter. If this wasn't the case, non-profit shelters would cease to exist you moron
you're also ignoring some very key things that make doc/vet similar and why OP was comparing them
>time/work in school
>type of experince during that job
he even talks about it in the OP. shelter worker and vet are two very different things, vet and doc are extremely similar jobs. you're just looking for an excuse to bitch about shelter workers, by the sound of it
>Considering this is quite a common stereotype, i doubt it
has no effect on what I just said
Shelters are typically funded by the government as a means of pest control and keeping those animals off the streets. Only reason they ask for donations is because, granted, they're not being funded much at all. And police is a profit institution? I think we're done here, your lack of knowledge is astounding.
>Shelters are typically funded by the government as a means of pest control and keeping those animals off the streets
not really, most shelters are becoming privately funded humane societies, many contracted by the county to deal with strays. you seem to have a very outdated and/or skewed frame of refrence
So in otherwords, you're describing what should be standard procedure, as being positive?
>"Shelter work and vet are two very different things"
>They work hand in hand
You're really grasping at straws here.
You are absolutly fucking retarded.
Most shelters are not-for-profit and funded by humane societies.
and police municipalities and private prisons have been restructured to be "null profit" or for profit.
I'm saying they're not negative, which is what you are implying everyone's experience is
>implying shelter worker and vet are not extremely different
you're just making yourself look silly anon. please learn a bit about how things like this work before you go trying to pick a fight. even within the same shelter, they do very different things
every time a shelter worker denies a person a pet or treats someone badly that person just goes and buys a puppy mill dog.
Shelter workers are part of the problem, by getting mad about the system they keep right on producing the problems they get mad about.
I don't know why you anons are so narrow minded, but humane societies only funds American shelters and even then they only receive at most 1 percent of their budget.
Elsewhere in the world, shelters are funded, or receive grants from the government.
>police municipalities and private prisons have been restructured to be "null profit" or for profit.
I don't have to prove anything.
If you guys were selling pizzas instead of dogs you'd be bankrupt by now. You treat your customers like shit and then wonder why you have to euthanize 500 dogs this month.
a vet will do different things at a shelter than someone who is not a vet, how is this confusing to you?
>humane societies only funds American shelter
not true, ever hear of the RSPCA?
>implying every shelter is the same
>pulling numbers from your ass
you just can't stop making an ass out of yourself
>>implying every shelter is the same
you've got a global problem.
People can buy a mutt for hundreds of dollars or adopt one for almost nothing and they choose to buy instead of adopt all the time.
At least some of that's on you.
>People can buy a mutt for hundreds of dollars
oh my fucking sides
but in reality, most of the time people buy dogs it's from CL breeders for meme breeds/shitty designer mixes, or someone giving away "oops" puppies for dirt cheap/free
that the shelters are not government funded and privately owned humane society, completely the opposite of what you said
>most of the time people buy dogs it's from CL breeders for meme breeds/shitty designer mixes, or someone giving away "oops" puppies for dirt cheap/free
all of which can usually be found in the local shelter for less money.
A big part of the reason people choose not to adopt pets is because we find dealing with you to be unpleasant. In fact adoptions undoubtedly increase when we take you guys out of the picture entirely.
how many animals has petsmart or petco adopted out? Their employees aren't allowed to treat customers like shit. They have a vested interest in making their adoptions smooth and enjoyable.
>all of which can usually be found in the local shelter for less money
adoption fees can be high because it is also the cost of vaccines, being fixed, microchop, medical care, etc
>A big part of the reason people choose not to adopt pets is because we find dealing with you to be unpleasant
source? besides your personal opinion? because a recent survey says it's because of perceived lack of purebreds
>In fact adoptions undoubtedly increase when we take you guys out of the picture entirely
again, source please
>how many animals has petsmart or petco adopted out? Their employees aren't allowed to treat customers like shit
you do realize they have literally nothing to do with it, right? they're essentially just renting out a spot in their store to a local rescue or shelter you idiot
Not completely. Grants typically involve a return of investment, but when a government provides a grant to organisations such as the RSPCA, the goal to provide a benefit for the community somehow i.e. helping animals and keep strays off the streets. So in that sense, a grant and government funding are pretty much the same in this situation.
That being said, the main point is shelters aren't entirely being funded solely by private institutions if those institutions themselves are receiving money from the government.
>you do realize they have literally nothing to do with it, right?
I adopted a cat there last month.
the only people I dealt with were petsmart employees. It was quite nice, nothing like the last time I "interviewed" to get a dog from my local shelter. A dog I didn't wind up getting because I didn't want some snotty minimum wage kids like yourself inspecting my house to see if I meet their requirements to keep a dog.
>gets rejected my by kid
>goes on massive tirade against all shelter workers
Could you come across as any more of a whiny little brat.
You might look like a degenerate sack of shit, so the shelter works are worried to adopt out to you.
>You might look like a degenerate sack of shit, so the shelter works are worried to adopt out to you.
I'm 45 years old, gray hair, married, I drive a truck that costs more than they make in 4 years, and wear clothes they can't afford to try on.
but I guess.
My shelter experience was great, just a quick application, talked with the girl working in the kennel for a few minutes about it then she took me into the yard with the dog. she hung out for a couple minutes to make sure it went alright then let me play with him for a while before coming back and asking if was still interested. I said yes, and she took me up front to go over their return policy, what I got with the adoption fee, all that stuff. Then another girl in the front office helped me with all the paperwork legally making him mine and such.
Honestly, I've never heard these horrible stories until this thread, and I've lived in a few places and known quite a few people. It sounds like a couple had a bad experience and now are loudly complaining about it in an internet echo chamber as if it's the norm.
>It sounds like a couple had a bad experience and now are loudly complaining about it in an internet echo chamber as if it's the norm.
that's how it works though.
I'm certain not everyone gets treated badly, but does it matter when the ones that did are going to tell everyone they know?
>All this arguing about shelter workers
Just going to chime in with my experience with one of them. I do petsitting because i love animals and it's a bit of extra cash on the side, but one time I found out that the owner for one of the dogs I was looking after had left the country and wasn't planning on coming back. Unfortunately i wasn't willing to keep this dog because I already have pets of my own, so i did what anyone would do and took him to the shelter.
But oh my was i regretful of that decision. The bitch that i spoke to there was so judgemental, even went as far as trying to make me feel bad (for not keeping a dog that wasn't mine to begin with?) and i'm quite positive she was accusing me of lying. Like shit, at least be subtle or try not to show your bitchiness in front of a client.
But hey, to each their own.
well, that's more of an animal control thing. that's who you should have contacted
sorry she was bitchy, but honestly that does sound like a very doubtful story. people abandon their dogs under the guise of "my friend left the dog" all the time
Oh really anon? Do they?
Show me statistics and facts. You can't, the data isn't there.
The shelters are there to save animals and try and find them a new home.
99% of the time "bitchy shelter workers" are at shitty pounds. Actual not for profits take the best effort to find the right home for the dog to MAKE SURE it doesn't come back.
A huge fucking number of dogs are RETURNS to shelters.
Again, prove that shelter workers "drive people away". Do it.
Because you can't.
Good job on missing the point you dumb cunt. Shelter workers must be in a heap of damage control because rather than focusing on the post, you decide to nitpick at a single word that was just used to describe some one that interacted with a shelter.
>Again, prove that shelter workers "drive people away". Do it
as I said I don't need to prove it.
the proof is in the very fact that you have to kill dogs that people won't adopt at the very same time people are out buying more dogs.
sure, that's probably the dogs' fault to some extent. But mostly it's just you. If you were any good at your job at all your shelters would be empty and people all over would have shelter dogs.
Really cause all I've seen the past couple of posts is 2 guys whinging about how rich and special they are who had a bd experience with a shelter and therefore will not shut the fuck up about them.
>implying you cant find bad workers in every single company on the planet
>a service people avoid because you provide it unwillingly.
got any source on that besides your opinion? because the three top reasons people give for not adopting are breed, age, or unknown history
>I agree with him, /an/ is populated by a couple very loud, self-righteous cunts that claim to be shelter workers
and according to you this is based on real life experience with them, not posting on 4chan, yet you also said you have no real life experience since you've never adopted from a shelter and never tried
none of your points seem to hold water for very long
>if you were any good at your job the shelters would be empty"...
You really have no fucking clue about the world do you.
Fuck me 10/10 trolling. You're either an incredible troll or actually mentally damaged.
saying "prove it" in every post doesn't make you right. I mean you can think it does if that helps prop up your weak personality, but if you're wrong then believing otherwise won't change anything.
you guys sure are defensive for people that KNOW I'm wrong.
if what I'm saying is completely false, what are you worried about? But no, it seems to hit home, doesn't it?
>PROVE THAT ME BEING A DICK TO PEOPLE MAKES THEM GO AWAY!!
You're literally retarded.
According to data presented at SAWA2015, it's the fault of people wanting purebred puppies and not shelter mutts with an unknown history.
since you think you don't need to show proof, fine, don't. but don't be surprised no one is taking you seriously
>it's the fault of people wanting purebred puppies and not shelter mutts with an unknown history.
that doesn't agree with what the anon above said about what types of dogs people usually buy.
and of course the industry isn't going to see itself as a problem, if indeed it is.
can you think of any industry where treating customers and vendors like shit keeps you in business?
I mean stop trying to win arguments on Malaysian sidewalk drawing BBS's for a second and name me A SINGLE JOB WHERE REGULARLY TREATING PEOPLE LIKE SHIT KEEPS YOU IN BUSINESS.
And that's why you're a retard. You think you're employed by stray dogs and can treat humans as badly as you like. If you act on this belief you'll very soon be disabused.
how does it not? wanting purebred puppies is how BYBs on Craigslist survive
>the industry isn't going to see itself as a problem, if indeed it is
>I don't like the data so I'm going to say it's false
nice. but regardless, it would be much easier to change the industry than change what the public wants. And if you don't believe me go out and ask for yourself. if someone won't adopt, it's almost always because of breed, age, or history. thinking otherwise without anything to prove it is silly
Not him but you shelter workers are really contradicting yourselves.
First you say "You can't blame us, when you encounter so many bad owners blah blah"
Now you're saying "nu uh, prove it".
>can you think of any industry where treating customers and vendors like shit keeps you in business?
can you provide proof that most, or even a significant portion of shelter workers act this way or that it's the reason people don't adopt? because the only data out there says otherwise
that was a different anon. but the poin is that yes shelter workers can have an extremely negative view/little tolerance for bad owners, but claiming it's so rampant and severe that it's why people don't adopt is a little far fetched.
it's not really a common stereotype outside of /an/ though, even on other boards it really isn't there
in fact when I tell people I work a shelter, the response is overwhelmingly positive with people saying stuff about how they hate people who don't take care of their dogs, "you must see a lot of awful things anon, I could never do it", etc
again, for him to think this perception to have the effect he says is ludicrous
Well to be fair, it's more so people that work for organisations like PETA that get the bad rap. As an example, just look at the public outrage during that one time peta was recorded heartlessly ripping a dog from the arms of a homeless man because they thought he couldn't provide sufficient care for the dog.
In saying that, it's normally people like that working in shelters.
OP have you tried checking to see if you have autism?
You're obsessing and have made multiple threads spanning months about this.
I think you may have even ventured to /adv/.
This is getting ridiculous. Please just make your decision and drop it. You'll end up stressing out and ruining your health with how obsessive you're getting.
Vet student here. Veterinary is a dumb career choice if you are doing it for any reason other than "I love working with animals". That being said, you can do various jobs when you realise that it was a shit choice.