>>2039954 No, that's just a shill for the pet stores. A five or ten gallon tank would be much better, but even 5 gallons is cutting it close to too small.
I know they will fight other betas, but I don't know if they are completely solitary. When I was a kid I had one in with two small goldfish in a ten gallon tank and he did alright for about a year before my asshole uncle thought it would be funny to pour half a bottle of champagne in their water...
>>2039954 It's a meme because one amazing thing about wild bettas is how they can survive in puddles in rice patties for months at a time. Then people take that as bettas like to live in little bowls. I think the rule of thumb for bettas is like 5-10 gallon tank and to keep the water relatively still. Not very much can thrive in pic related; not a gold fish, not a tetra, not a cat fish etc. Maybe a shrimp but I'm no expert
Humans can live in smaller places and are able to leave that place to the outside world. But we have a way to get rid of our shit and piss. They don't so it builds up quickly and the ammonia burns them and eventually die.
>>2040156 Someday I'd love to repurpose an old gumball machine into a fish tank, one of the big 5-6 foot tall ones. I have no idea the level of technical know-how that would be involved in such a project, though.
>>2039966 Some bettas do well with other fish, some do well with only certain kinds of fish, and some attack anything and everything. Most of my previous bettas were kept with other fish and had no problems. My current one, however, is a shithead.
>>2039949 Nothing you can do about stupid people whose parents failed them.
>>2039969 >Maybe a shrimp Not really. It might live for a bit, but there's nothing oxygenating the water and there isn't enough surface area for beneficial bacteria that break down ammonia.
>>2040156 If manufacturers made cute tanks big enough to actually house animals, they'd have to charge even more ludicrous prices for them to keep their margins and people wouldn't buy them on impulse.
>>2040184 Just plug the hole in the bottom and cut a small hole in the top for an airline to run an undergravel filter through the center. It'd probably only be somewhere around 3-5 gallons, and the shape isn't very efficient at providing swimming space. It'd be good for small inverts.
>>2039949 I think that's a cool idea, but it is also horribly inhumane to that poor fish. If I had a bulb large enough, then I would try this with some tiny snails and maybe a shrimp or two. But only if the species I have never grow too large for the bulb.
Shit thats perfect. I always wanted to try growing aquarium plants somehow. Any guide on how I could make these? Im sure there has to be a way to properly do it so the metal and lightbulb stuff doesn't fuck the water?
>>2040885 Also if you are worried about the bulb contaminating the water and plants, your other option would be to buy a "light bulb jar". They sell them at Hobby Lobby and places like that. And it is just what it sounds like. A container made to look like a lightbulb, but with thicker glass, etc.,
I had a 5 gallon tank where I housed a young dojo loch. It was fairly empty for a bit so I added a beta and purchased a few bottom swimmers. Worked out pretty good. The betta just floated there looking blue as fuck and the bottom dwellers minded their own business
>>2040061 Fish of that size have literally no chance of consciousness, thus can be torture and murdered with no real moral consequence. Imitation of pain and other reactions caused by electronic signals sent from the outside of the organisms central nervous system are not morally a negative. I don't advocate for animal cruelty for personal pleasure, but by itself there is nothing wrong with it.
I used to be against artificial environmental pressures too, but it doesn't really matter.
>>2041257 Are you completely retarded? I like that your entire argument is that they have no chance of consciousness exclusively because they are SMALL. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything.
>>2041185 >some have blue water They're shipped to the store in the blue water and the employees don't always change it out once they get there. I believe it's methylene blue, a fungicide, to reduce stress and potential for disease during shipping.
>I can only hope that someone at that walmart puts them in a larger container at night 'Fraid not. The fish can survive in cups like that for 3-5 months if they're fed sparingly and the water is changed out once or twice a week. Walmart isn't interested in holding onto them for longer than that anyway. The idea is to give the fish (all of the fish) good enough conditions to keep them alive until a customer buys it.
>>2041194 The cups in that picture are much smaller than the standard 12 oz ones, though that size isn't what I'd call uncommon either. I've seen LFS that have betta in half gallon "tanks" with a small plastic decoration in each one. If one cared to make the initial investment, there are "betta barracks," which are essentially several small (~1 gallon) tanks connected to a shared sump filter. I've never seen one in person, but I know there are shops that use them. Related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcVVRCl8-D8
>>2041268 God those barracks look so much better. What I don't get is that walmart (least ours) usually only has about that many on the shelf anyway, so why not keep them in a good setup like that instead of in tiny cups that they can barely move in, look lathargic, and half of them are dead? I mean, if I saw some like that I would love to buy them instead of getting the urge to just knock them all off the counter and put them out of their misery.
>>2041275 It's a large initial investment, extra running costs, and more involved maintenance. It's also "less convenient" for customers. With the cups they just pay a minimum wage worker to feed them and change the water out once (twice?) a week. If they gave each betta a tank (even a small, unfiltered one) changing the water would be much more involved and take longer, and customers would have to wait for a worker to net and bag the fish instead of just grabbing a cup. Not that I disagree with your sentiments. Really, Walmart shouldn't be selling live animals of any kind unless they're willing to hire two or three people whose only job is to look after them full time. That's not going to happen, though. I find it more disappointing that pet chains like PetCo and PetSmart aren't willing to make the investment.
>>2039949 Thats a siamese fighting fish yes? Reminds me of 2 my mum had, were in a 1 litre small tank with a divider, a red one and a blue one, a couple of times I removed the divider and they went ballistic ripping each other to shreds.
>>2039966 And this reminds me of when a mate poured 2 shots of Jacks into my turtles tank...
He went wild for a few hours, wouldnt stay still at all swimming up and down constantly.
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