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>taking a walk to petco to get crickets
>birds, hamsters, and mice and shit are all healthy and lively
>half the fish are quarantined, 'under observation'
>reptiles are all sickly looking
>bearded dragons and gecko tanks full of that 'calci-sand' bullshit
>iguana's nose is all scarred/torn up from constantly rubbing on its tank wall
>tortoises shells are peeling
>one of the chinese water dragons was actually dead in its tank, laying motionless on its side

why is this allowed?
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>>2037745

There's no real governing body that handles the pet trade.

/thread
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>>2037745
>'merica
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>go to local petshop
>90% of their reptiles enclosures consist soley of a water bowl
>Brazillian Rainbow Boa constantly soaking in it's waterbowl with it's enclosures humidity being somewhere around 30%
>puppies kept in glass tanks on display with giant water drippers as if their rabbits
>up to 50 rats in a 20gl aquarium (just saw a rat missing its' ears the other day)

On top of that all, I just got accused of being a thief because I go there so often.
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>>2037761
>>puppies kept in glass tanks on display with giant water drippers as if their rabbits
To be fair, nothing is wrong with water drippers.
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My local PetCo and PetSmart take very good care of their animals
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>go to closest pet store for fish food
>browse stock while there
>oh shit, ich! Ich everywhere!
>tell aquarium section worker about it
>yeah, that's normal for an aquarium, you don't need to worry about it
>bitch, do you think I don't know shit?
>point out clown loach with swim bladder problems, can't keep upright
>oh they're just quirky fish
>whatever, make way to counter with food
>rats crammed into tanks with no seperating the sexes
>one is actually giving birth
>see sun conure in a 20 gallon tank, no real ventilation, with a shitty little stand for it to perch on
>another tank with some kind of snake with a bleeding nose
>never mind, I'll get food elsewhere for fish food


And I never went back. I'll go 15 minutes out of my way to a decent store before giving them my money.
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>teen sister gets a betta fish for birthday
>muddy-colored veil tail mutt from petco
>gets it a 2.5 gallon tank, fills it with neon plastic crap
>"he looks so cool! his tank is so awesome!"
>fish is obviously bothered by the strength of the filter
>overfeeds it constantly
>won't take any advice from me despite the fact that i had a betta setup for a long-ass time

this angers me now, but i won't feel sorry for her when that poor fish keels over in 6 months.
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>>2037782

I don't know if you guys have it in America, but the RSPCA here has it's own shop, so obviously the animals they have are amazingly well looked after.

Except they had those retarded goldfish with the giant bubbles on their eyes...which is odd.
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>>2037796
In the US they'd need to have hundreds of shops and even then most americans wouldn't live anywhere near one.
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>>2037785
She won't feel sorry, either
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>>2037785
you need to get real with her, tell her it'll most likely die if she doesn't take proper care of it. It's a living thing and its entire well-being is dependent on her actions.
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the only good pet store is one that doesn't sell pets

>find LFS near me
>decide i should go there, help local business, probably take better care of their fish than petsmart or petco
>get there, fish are extremely crowded, more so than normal
>fish are being kept like feeders
>some fish are in plastic bins
>black algae everywhere
>many sick, dead and dying fish, at least one in every tank
>bettas kept in piss cups
>store itself was unclean; grimy tables, carpet needed vacuum bad, widows were dirty
>lady was a bitch as well

There's only one decent LFS near me and I need to drive in the ghetto to get to it
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>>2037761
>just saw a rat missing its' ears the other day

>>2037782
>one is actually giving birth

Kek
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>>2037745
Translation:
>I have experience only with reptiles, so I can only tell when they're unhealthy.
The rodents and birds I see in every petco/petsmart are always fucking dying. Petsmart seems to do better generally, though.
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>>2038083
she will, trust me.

>>2038307
i was real with her the couple of days she spent researching before buying the fish. she is set in her belief that she is caring for him correctly, though, and even went so far as to tell me that the fish flaring up at all was bad.

she is right and i'm wrong, in true 13-year-old form. even when it does die, she will find a way to blame it on anything but her own negligence.
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>>2038348
it's pretty easy to tell when theres something wrong with a mammal, m8. they were lively, clean, grooming themselves, etc. the budgies were playing, the expensive-ass parrots trying to get people who walk by's attention, all pretty normal on that front.
except for like one guinea pig. Had some kind of thousand yard stare and was motionlessly facing the corner.
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>>2038436
You can't tell if they have respiratory issues, what they're being fed, how many have already died, or how many are inbred or sourced from an awful facility.
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>>2038457
>You can't tell if they have respiratory issues,
unless you have ears
>what they're being fed,
unless you have eyes
>or how many are inbred or sourced from an awful facility.
all of them, obviously.
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>>2037761
>its'
>its's
>>2038436
>people who walk by's
>people-who-walk-by
absolute kek
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>Buying a new cockatiel
>Check out bird section in my local pet store because 'local is better'

>Overwhelming stench of shit
>Absolutely filthy cages
>Around 50 birds in every cage (cage is the size of a single snake glass tank)
>No toys, food strewn around the ground, no water (?!), shit everywhere
>Birds are desperate to get out or just still on the ground
>One bird with an eye infection, huge bulbous growth on it

>No thanks
>Buy bird food instead for my only tiel
>Check dates, some bird food is already expired, wtf

The worst bit is is that they have heaps of other animals, I dread to think what the reptile habitats are like.

>They want $150 for a cockatiel
>Live in Australia
>buy from Gumtree instead for $30 delivered
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>>2038562

Where was this? You can probably report the store. Or take photos and fuckup there fb page
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>>2038562

ausfag here, what store?
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>>2038319
Surprise: the name plate on a pet store doesn't determine whether or not it's a good store, the people who work there do.
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>>2038567
>>2038578

Pets Galore, Toowoomba. If you google it, you can see that people have complained but nothing was done about it. I think the store has been going for 20+ years now.

Some choice reviews:

I have been to this pet store once and I will NEVER be back. This place was disgusting. The only animals I saw were the mice and that in itself was too much. They had rough, dull coats and some of them were almost bald. They were breathing heavily and some had sores on their bodies. It was the most awful pet store experience of my life. I immediately left and went to my car and literally cried. If you have a heart please DO NOT give this filthy place your business.

they are only out to make money and don't care what they sell, Paid $750 for purebred cat but our local vet said it should have been put down as it was so close to being a feral cat, talked the staff and their attitude was "to bad, how sad no refunds " . Stay away from this place unless you want to be ripped off, shop stinks and staff attitudes stink hopefully place wont stay open much longer

Just went to pets galore for the first time and I am absolutely disgusted in the state of the conditions of those poor pets, the overcrowding and the enclosures that they are in, not to mention the smell. I witnessed several cats and dogs sleeping and lying in their own filth! They have sores, scabs and abrasions all over them. The smell was literally overwhelming. I desperately wanted to buy one particular dog who seemed disorientated (most likely from being caged for so long) but I was torn as I do not want to spend any money there and fund this in anyway. When I asked about the dogs, the sales attendants knew next to nothing about them. Upon further research I found out that these dogs have been there for months which makes me wonder if they have spent their entire life caged? This was an absolutely horrific experience and one I will not forget for a very long time
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This one made me chuckle:

A lesson in animal cruelty and a test of ones' gag reflex and sense of smell. -And that's just talking to the manager! Truly a vile place. Avoid at all costs.
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>>2038729

The fish tanks are filthy, the fish that are alive are more often than not covered in visible parasites, and quite often snacking on their dead tank mates, as noone seems interested in removing them.

The bird area is just a lesson in despair and pain - the eye watering stench is just the beginning. I have personally seen a rat inside on of their aviaries eating a dead ringneck parrot.

I've seen yearling pythons being sold there the size of new-born hatchlings. I can only assume they don't feed them in order to keep them smaller and/or save money.

Upon my first ever visit there, I informed the staff that one of the dogs out the back in the searing, stinking heat had a nasty case of ringworm. I assumed they simply must have overlooked it. I was told with a snarky smile that it was just a 'love-bite' from rough play. Unless this dog was playing with a lamprey there's no way that was a bite and not ringworm. And the slimy, condescending staff knew that as well as I did.

Something really needs to be done here.

Numerous complaints to the RSPCA but nothing is being done for some reason. I wanted to buy their $150 cockatiel because I felt so sorry for it...so I guess that their 'filthy habitat feel sorry for the animals' strategy is working,

Literally /an/ worst nightmare.
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>>2037747
How the fuck does 'Merica get away with that shit?
We have governing bodies for all kinds of stupid small shit, but not pets?
What about the ASPCA?
Do we need to start alerting *shudder* PETA??
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>>2038759
PETA would only make things worse. and they euthanize like 90% of the animals they 'rescue'
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>>2038762
Plus, they would probably fire bomb the whole building...
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>>2038436

sick budgies will still play and socialize
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>>2038764
I don't think PETA would firebomb it but ALF would probably steal all the animals and then torch the place. Those guys are nuts
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Saw this while scrolling through the catalog.

Just wanted to let you guys know that there are those of us on the retail chain stores doing our damnest to try and turn things around for ourselves.

I can readily vouch for the fact that the breeders and hatcheries most of us get our animals from have ore care or concern for what they're sending us. Hell, my store just entered into a contract with a local small animal/bird supplier with a rider in the contract that prevents us from refusing dead or sick animals that we receive.

It's an uphill battle for a lot of us, but we're trying. And if you ever come to 0339, I'll always do my absolute best with what I know, or research what I don't so that I may be better prepared for the next go-around.
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I actually work at PetSmart dealing with the animals, and I like to think that our store takes a good deal of time and effort in keeping the animals happy. Our manager will go out of his way to bring in fresh vegetables for the tortoises and beardies and sometimes as a treat for the hamsters. Any animals that are sick are given immediate vet appointments and I know one of them in the back rooms right now is costing them over a grand just for medication.

I don't really agree with the way they want us to care for the bearded dragons though, so I'm personally working on how to give them what they need because honestly we get so many of them having dehydration issues. I don't think my coworkers give them the soaks they need either, so I try to use what time I have during the day on slow shifts to give them baths and make sure they're not having tank sharing issues. Generally, only a few of the many we get in have these issues but I'm sick of seeing it regardless. I also make sure all of the reptiles are shedding properly, and just the other day took the time to get shed off a leopard gecko's toe (which I wonder, if my coworkers would have noticed...)

While I don't agree with 100% of all the animal set ups going on, it definitely is much better than most other stores I'm aware of. Our local PetCo has fruit flies buzzing around every single reptile tank and they had two chameleons of differing size housed in a tiny 5 gal long enclosure while their leopard geckos are STILL on sand. All of their tanks had a disgusting amount of algae as well. I honestly wonder how much their employees even care about the upkeep and health of the animals. While I like to somewhat separate the business from my own personal identity, these are living creatures we are working with and I feel personally responsible for making sure their enclosures are clean and they are getting the appropriate husbandry in the best of my ability.

sorry for long post, wow.
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>>2037745
>over priced sick/dying fish
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Well you see, the world ain't all sunshine and rainbows, matter of fact it can be a terrible place. Things suffer, animals, humans you name it. It is quite sad to bare witness to awful things, but you forget about it and rarely remember it as time passes.
People can be very cruel. Everyday people suffer beyond our imagination, animals too. One can only hope it all ends one day, and fight the good fight when he has to.
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>>2039520
>>2039822
Question. How would you guys handle it if you kept getting shipments of fish with ich? Because that's what we're dealing with at my store. The 30 gallon quarantine tank can only handle so much, and the bullshit Tetra tablets they give us to treat the tanks don't do a damn thing.
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>>2040574
>Translation: I'm too much of a lazy POS to do anything to stop preventable suffering.
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>>2040631
Salt
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>>2040729
>Not focusing on what I said
>"fight the good fight"
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>>2038759
>How the fuck does 'Merica get away with that shit?
we don't outlaw things just for offending your delicate sensibilities.
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>>2037745
Reptiles should be wiped from the face of the earth. No one cares about snakes.
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>>2038762
That is the idea. PETA is actually a cover thing like nambla. What they want is to rape animals like those weird furries.
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>>2040771
>implying one phrase means anything standing next to a paragraph of "the world is cruel and we can only hope it gets better" copout bullshit
>also "when he has to" not "when he can"

Masterfully worded by somebody who has never actually faced or experienced the cruelty of the world firsthand.
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>>2040864
>implying it doesn't?
>"when he has to " what's the problem here?
And it's not your place to judge whether or not I've never experienced the cruelty of the world.
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>>2040779
>MUH FREEDOMS
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>>2038382
sounds like my mother
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>>2038382
Then when that fish goes belly up, drill into her soft 13 year old brain that all of it was her fault and could have been prevented. If she needs to be on suicide watch after you verbally rape her ego, your job is complete.
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>>2040779
>we don't outlaw things just for offending your delicate sensibilities.

Actually the US is big on that.
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>>2040631
Petsmart employee here. I've never personally seen us get a fish with ich (and I'm the one who's been doing fish delivery every week for a few months now) but if we do find a fish with ich (it's happened maybe twice since I've been working there for a year now) we have an isolated room for quarantine/sick animals and a specific set of fish tanks to give them ich remedies for.

But if you're getting a bunch of ich in your shipments....that sounds like a huge issue with whoever is sending them to your store. Can your manager do anything about it?
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Local exotic pet store

>Hey I think your beardie back there is dead
>no he's fine
>but it isn't breathing...
>they just do that
>oh... ok

My local Petsmart isn't as bad, they don't sell many reptiles and their fish are in fair condition, but I did handle a gorgeous young dumbo rat with clear signs of a respiratory infection. The guy working there seemed nice and told me he'd get it checked out, but he did admit most of the staff were scared to handle them and they were terribly under socialised.
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>>2037745
>Grow up around pets
>Frogs, Birds, Cats, Snakes, Turtles, Tortoises, Dogs and shit
>Always visit one family owned pet store
>Mother is friends with them
>Place has cat towers near the windows
>Owners cat's chill in them
>Big ass Tortoise just walks around
>All animals are well fed
>Cages and tanks are clean
>Worst thing there was the puppies they had were kept in a big, barren wooden box but they seemed to be happy anyway
>One day mother takes me to a big petstore to get stuff for some Geckos
>Dozens upon dozens of birds kept in small cages
>See one pretty much dying on the floor of it
>Birds flying around, employees trying to catch them
>Ferrets look sad as hell in their small tanks
>Nothing but a toilet paper roll and food dish
>Get stuff, leave
>Never go back
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>>2040925
That isn't even applicable in this context fucktard cuckold
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>>2041449

>but it isn't breathing...
>they just do that

Kek.

Although the guy probably assumed you were an idiot.
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>in new town for a few days
>go to exotic pet store
>bearded dragon cage left open
>motherfucker is just sleeping on the edge of the cage like a gee
>set the little guy back in the cage and alert a worker
>"oh man, i can't believe i left it open, someone could have stolen them"
>mfw I realize i could have left with like 15 bearded dragon hatchlings but didn't even think about it
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