The farm down the road from me had a few of those when I was growing up. They were always really friendly, but fucking loved dogs. Do you see that as a common occurrence, or were the owners just really good at socializing them early on? Also, I heard they need to be in groups of at least 2 or they get so depressed they die, is that true?
>>2036874 Umm no >>2036875 Alpacas have a more sheep like wool so it's more valuable than llama wool. But they are harder to train and tend to spit more so in my opinion no >>2036876 Llamas can be extremely social if they are trained well. I have noticed llamas to love dogs and even cats. They easily attach themselves to any animal. For example they can be used as guard animals to protect sheep chickens goats etc. They'll treat them like their own. And yes if they don't have at least one companion they'll get extremely lonely. But they don't have to be kept with other llamas. They just need a herd to belong in
>>2036892 Depends on how you use them. Their wool can be a little profitable but not a good as sheep and alpaca wool. You can show them in professional shows and win money. If you have a breeding llama other people pay you to breed their llamas with yours. You can use them to guard other profitable livestock such as chickens and sheep. Also you can loan out their services. They are commonly used as pack animals on hikes and if you train them well enough you could run a business >>2036894 No not really. Mostly just snapchat some friends. But I'll have a llama on my story every week or so
>>2036906 If they are trained when young they are completely friendly. Their personality can probably be related to that of a cat. They're curious but self sufficient. Sometimes they're more withdrawn other times they walk right up to you. All the ones I own are extremely friendly
>Would you say their as smart as a dog or cat? Mist definitely. They recognize their name you can teach them tricks and communicate with them. Very intelligent animals > Do you yourself do anything with the fur or do you just sell it? I have made stuff with it in the past but I'm not very good so I mostly just sell it > Do they spit a lot? Nit as much as alpacas. And they normally spit at other llamas while competing for food. Also just depends on their personality. Some spit more than others
>>2036908 In your experience, what exotic animals get along best with llamas? Would you trust a grown llama to have a 5 year old ride him/her? Are they animals that can be trusted to take walks in public areas (parks, trails, etc)? How much land is the bare minimum for them to feel comfortable? And what the fuck am I reading about llamas spitting, that sounds so stupid and funny.
>>2036932 >In your experience, what exotic animals get along best with llamas? Im not sure about exotic but if introduced correctly a llama could get along with most animals ranging from cats to donkeys. Animals bigger than them are more difficult but not impossible > Would you trust a grown llama to have a 5 year old ride him/her? Well theoretically yes but llamas don't have the right bone structure for being ridden. They can pull carts though. But most of the llamas I've raised are perfectly safe around children. >Are they animals that can be trusted to take walks in public areas (parks, trails, etc)? Most definitely. Llamas are commonly used as pack animals. Many people put packs on their backs for hikes and they can carry 1/3 of their weight. But you must take at least 2 together because they get extremely nervous on their own. Llamas are even used as therapy animals so they are very safe >How much land is the bare minimum for them to feel comfortable? I'm not sure about exact numbers but you must have a fair amount of space for grazing. And you need a shelter for them too >And what the fuck am I reading about llamas spitting, that sounds so stupid and funny. Llamas are actually part of the camel family. So of course they spit. They're quite notorious for it. But they do t spit nearly as much as people assume they do. And it's not all that bad
The most harmful llamas van be is when they kick. But they don't kick unless you are messing with their back legs and they can be trained not to kick
>>2036933 Yes haha. Sometimes you can sit next to them while they're lying down and they'll rest their head in your lap. Or I lean against them while they're lying down
>>2036934 I would definitely recommend it. But do a lot of research beforehand
Pic related is one of my llamas. He is only a year old and is already very good around kids.
>>2036967 Sadly I haven't trained a llama to do that yet. I don't have a cart for them. But I wish >>2036968 Well out in the open you can barely smell them. And of course their poop stinks. But I think they don't smell as bad as pigs and sheep. But honestly I've been around them for so long I don't even notice the smell anymore
>>2036973 Atm Granite is my favorite. I've trained him since he was a baby but I'm not gonna be able to show him because he's a breeding llama now and they get crazy around girl llamas. Pic is from when he was about 6 months old
>>2036947 Hmm, thanks for your response. They sound like fun animals. When my lab gets settled down I'll probably look into getting a pair of two or three. After watching a couple videos the spitting wasn't anywhere near as disturbing as I had in mind, but the way they shift their lower jaw drives me crazy.
>>2036978 Llamas are a great pet. And 2 or 3 is a good number to have. And yeah. I've been spit on countless times. It just chewed up grass and it smells awful. Fun fact about the jaw thing. They actually don't have upper teeth. So to chew the grind the grass up on the hard upper pallet. So they kinda have to slide their jaw side to side while chewing. Also as shown in the picture. Their upper lip is split so they kinda use their lips to pick up food. Its really cool
>>2037036 Aww thanks and it's my pleasure >>2037040 Well I travel with them to shows a cross the country. And I've taken a 5 mile hike with them. But nothing too hard core And I'm a straight female so no. But I use llamas as a conversation starter a lot haha >>2037041 Yes they are
>>2037089 That is a serious risk most common in the male llamas. Its called berserk male syndrome where a llama has had too much socializing g with people that they treat people the same as other llamas. And boy llamas play roughly so they can be very dangerous to people if they think the people are llamas.
This only happens if they get a lot of attention within the first few months of Birth. You should start training them at 4-6 months. you'll be safe then
>>2037113 Forgot to answer your second question. I'm not really sure about that. I got all my llamas from a good friend and bred them on my own sooo. I feel like you'll be able to tell. Just see if the are raised in good conditions
>>2037194 Not asleep yet lol >Haha gotcha. Must be fun to travel with them. Do they take to it well? Yeah they're great in the trailer. Just have to stop every once in a while to stretch their legs
>I imagine it's a great conversation starter. Unique stuff like that usually is. Definitely
>What's the vet bills like with em? Do you have stable hands to help keep up with the chores? I give most regular medications myself making it a lot cheaper. I also have many years of experience with self medicating and treatments. Gelding (the llama equivalent of neutering) is only a couple hundred dollars so not bad. And I board my llamas on a farm with about 30 others. So if I pitch in when needed the chores aren't too bad.
>>2036908 >>2036962 as soon as i saw the op i knew it was you. good to see you still around and llamaing. here is my question(s)- can a person of the appropriate weight ride a llama? can they be trained as a mount? have you ridden a llama? could i (being ~160 lbs)? is there profit to be made in llama farming? do they get along with other common livestock?
>>2037575 Nope haha. >>2037585 Well theoretically a llama can carry a third of their weight. And most llamas weight 30 - 400 lbs si they could carry a 100 lb person but. Unlike horses llamas have a very narrow back and centering a lot of weight on their back is bad for them. So no people don't ride llamas. But they could When I was little I was standing over a llama while it was laying down and it stood up from under me. So I kinda rode a llama if that counts A large llama could easily pull you in a cart. But no to riding Yes there's a lot of profit. I go into depth about that here>>2036923 and>>2036947 Basically. You can make a profit out of their wool. Lease their services. Win competitions etc. Also llamas are commonly used as guard animals. So basically you put them with a herd of sheep or chickens and the llama will protect them against predators like coyotes.
If you read the thread I've already said a lot of good info
>>2037631 Well that looks like an alarm call. Google llama alarm call and you'll see they make really weird noises and sometimes jump. >>2037643 Ummmm I'm not sure >>2037648 Llamas are much larger than alpacas and can carry more weight which was their original purpose. Alpacas main purpose is their wool. But I believe llamas have more perks than alpacas >>2037715 It's the state fair
>>2037780 Males are extremely territorial. Ya learn something new everyday >>2037781 Nope. None at all >>2037784 Umm not sure. There's one llama I know who would spit if you touched a certain part on his back if that counts List of tricks Jumping over a pole Jumping barrels Backing up on command Walking through tunnels Walking through water Feet in tire Standing on bucket Pick up feet Stand still and tolerate something (noise makers people petting them) The llama has to be comfortable with being touched. Feet ears mouth face etc I taught a llama to give a kiss on command and drink from a water bottle and take a lid off a plastic cup
>>2037597 i realized after i posted that you had, in fact, mentioned most of those things. my bad, excitement got the better of me. a llama cart sounds like fun, i may give that a go. i plan to move out to the country in 3 (ish) years, and im working on making a plan for livestock. i dont want to have to slaughter anything if at all possible, so llamas sound like they may fit nicely into my schemes. i like that they will look after other creatures as well. id like to have a few chickens for egg purposes, and i know a few people that have had serious problems with predators.
>>2037789 Llamas are great to have with chickens but you may want to read up on the whole guard animal thing. I'm not sure how you get a llama to attached to a different species I just know it happens. Best of luck with the livestock
>>2038237 Once they're 4-6 months old you have to get them used to people. Walk them around pet them everywhere. With enough work they'll get used to you. But some llamas just have an anti social personality so they take a but more work. I have met some untrained le llamas but they're the ones who went through trauma early on. Also sometimes if the mother is really anti social her baby will be too so you have to look out for that as well >>2038239 Bare minimum is $300. Males are less expensive but you have to pay for them to be gelded (llama equivalent of neutering) Females are more expensive because they can be bred a lot. Also depends on how good their temperament/ conformation >(conformation is a set of standards that decides how good a llama looks. It compares overall balance and tracking fowl to every tiny detail) Really good llamas can get up to $2000 >>2038360 >>2038428 Fuck off m80's
>>2038270 Here you go. http://www.shagbarkridge.com/index.html This is a good friend of mines info page Look on the left column to go to fact pages. Ignore the llamas for sale. She hasn't updated it in a while >>2038345 I dunno. Its only really found in south america
>>2038971 They might have been raised better. in my experience they spit more but not all animals are the same >>2038974 Llamas eat grain year round and they eat hay during the winter. You also have to have enough grass for them. I board my llamas so my monthly fine includes cost for their food so I'm not positive about all the numbers. Here's some info from a reliable source http://lostcreekllamas.com/basiccare.htm >>2038978 If you make/ buy a nice harness they could probably pull about as much as they could carry. You would definitely have to teach them to get used to a gunshot noise. To do this I would give them a command or key word so that they can anticipate the noise. Start with a loud popper thing. Not quite as loud as a gun. Reward them for standing still. After some work they'll be fine. Also they're great in the wood but you must take two llamas. Llamas get severe anxiety when they're alone and will act skittish or run off. Two llamas will be fine and not hard to handle if you've worked with them >>2038987 Umm don't spray paint a llama. The fumes are bad for them and the paint can trap heat in making them overheat. I seriously hope you were joking haha. And yeah they make custom llama coats. They aren't too expensive and you could spray paint those. Also get a neon halter. >>2038995 This
>>2039094 Do you have to train llamas to not be afraid of the scent of blood/butchered meat, seeing as how they are herbivores, or do they just not give a fuck as long as they don't witness the act of killing a fellow animal?
Because that is one bad ass llama in that picture.
>>2039293 Haha very funny >>2039382 Thanks >>2039431 No I live in indiana so most of my shows are in Michigan or somewhere east >>2039447 Nah he got sold as a guard llama. They live for 20-25 years. The oldest one I've known was 27 when she died >>2039506 Haha I just got that off Google as a good example. And I'm actually not sure. I've never had a llama around butchered meat.
Its snowing today and I hope to take some pictures of llamas in the snow >baby llamas wear little coats when they're first born in the cold weather. Its cute as fuck
>>2039617 I live in southeastern Indiana, I've noticed more and more people keeping llamas. A farmer I know always keeps a big male around to help guard his livestock. Coyotes can be an issue, and he swears that a Llama is better than a dog. Have you ever heard of anything like this?
>>2039621 Actually very recently a friend of mine saw her llama fight off two coyotes. That seems like more than most dogs can do. And it was a female llama and the females usually aren't as protective >pic related is llama
>>2039747 Cute. I love the heavy wool llamas. What state are you in >>2039754 Well depending on how many sheep get hurt a llama might actually save you >>2039775 There's probably two factual lines in that >a llama has two ears and a heart >a llama is bigger than a frog
>>2039794 He's adorable. And yeah I talk my llamas to church gatherings and festivals all the time. They're great at that stuff if you raise them right >>2039798 Horizontal >pic related is a new baby girl at the farm who was born with one blue eye which is pretty rare in llamas
I live in central Texas. I never see llamas. Elevation 600ft can rain a month straight and have a drought for a month straight. Winters get to 28° F and summers get to 103° F. Can I lamer liver here and be happy or is it too hot?
>>2039804 How many do you have on your farm in total? At the place I board mine there's about 40 >>2039807 I haven't trained any of my llamas to do that yet thoigh :'( >>2039809 If you keep them shorn then they'll be fine >>2039810 I doubt anyone here will judge haha
>>2039813 well get on it then. think of the fun and amusement that will be had. imagine rolling through populated areas on a majestic llama pulled chariot. imagine the banter with the locals. you know this could be awesome.
The pictures in this thread are absolutely adorable!
But why do you shear only the torso? I find it really distracting this strange "belt" of hair is missing out of the majestic llama mane. Is there an actual reason (like llamas suffering from sheared fronts/backs or the wool there being sub-par) or is it just a silly beauty standard for competitions? I can't help but compare it to those awful poodle haircuts on competition dogs...
>>2042949 We actually shear the torso so they can stay cool in the summer. They'll overheat in the 90 degree weather. Compared to a lot of other farms our llamas look nice. Some people just chop it all off once a year
>>2038785 I've read that horses get spooked by camels, so their first reaction would probably be to be scared of a llama too. I would gradually introduce them and offer treats for good behavior. Probably depends on the horse.
Also, all these llamas have such long goofy legs, I'm giggling at the mental image of someone putting those leg warmer things on them, or those super long thigh high socks with teeny tiny little llama shoes.
>>2044049 That's absolutely fantastic. What boards do you go on. I wanna look out for them >>2044068 Haha yeah. Llamas just have a happy looking face. And I've put socks on a llamas. There are llama costume classes too >>2044069 I don't speak that language :/ >>2044070 I've never seen a gorse harass any llamas. One time they chased chased a baby but I think they were just curious
Not sure what videos you are watching, but this video makes it seem very quick and only a minor pain. The llama isn't even freaked out, it only seemed irritated that people are poking around in it's mouth.
And the vet did a good job of strongly recommending using sedation on llamas that might be too sensitive to handle the procedure.
>>2044801 Unfortunately. People also seem to always think they know a ton about llamas. They will even argue with me claiming that their own anecdotal knowledge trumps the experience of actually rasing llamas.
>>2044812 This >>2044830 No problemo. >>2044907 No. Alpacas are smaller and y heir wool is more like sheep wool and they have pointy ears and their buys kinda round off. They ten to be harder to trained and spit more >>2044962 At least once a year. I think it grows a couple incest thick in a year. With hade core show animals we shear ir more often to keep them looking nice
>purchase solid white llama >sheer all of it's wool but leave the tail and a mohawk in place >stick a horn on it's head >attach chariot via harness >make flyers for a ride in a chariot pulled by a "unicorn" >profit
>>2045967 Mostly things about spitting. Llamas spitting at a person means they have some developmental issues (i.e. raised in a petting zoo which is the worst possible place for many animals). Llamas spit not as a defense but to assert dominance over each other. Usually llamas are good at differentiating between people and other llamas, however most people's only llama experience come from petting zoos where the llamas are usually bottle-fed males castrated at a very young age. These factors cause a whole host of behavioral problems which people tend to attribute to all llamas. I've talked to people who have thought llamas are related to emus (I'm serious, this happened twice) and people who are absolutely convinced that llamas are a horse/goat cross and told me I needed to "do my reading." Mostly it's the petting zoo thing though. Almost everyone seems to think that llamas are by default cross and pissy animals when unfortunately it is bad upbringing in petting zoos that cause this.
>>2046427 I just refer to my place as the farm. Since I don't exactly own it >>2046464 It was really sad. And I was just out there a couple days ago and I didn't notice anything wrong so I kinda feel like I should've been able to prevent it
Provided you can actually find a buyer. Llama wool is specialty and and while people use it for hobby spinning but absolutely no one works with on any kind of large or professional scale. Another problem is that all llamas have different wool and it's nearly impossible to produce a uniform product which is what people want when working with wool.
>>2050437 Selenium salt, they don't use salt licks. Don't feed them alfalfa as their main diet, really it's just basic large animal care like actually vaccination and deworming your animals. Vaccinations and dewormers are regional so you'd need to look up what you need to vaccinate for and what kind of parasites are present. If they're young llamas they'll need vitamin A&D boosters or their joints could get fucked up in the future. Don't castaerate till they're like 3 or 4 or older.
Llamas are not difficult to care for, there are just a few specifics like the selenium salt thing. They're also shockingly cheap to care for as well.
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