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Alright so I'm gonna set up a 40 gallon breeder here soon-ish and I was wondering if this was okay for stocking?
2x African butterfly fish
1x Ctenopoma Acutirostre
1x Bristlenose pleco. (good sized one so the Ctenopoma doesn't even think about it.)
>Any similar bottom feeders from that area?
Got a 55 gallon long planted with Firebelly newts. Wanna add a floating dock that I could maybe even grow some moss or terrestrial plants on. Does anyone have any ideas that could work for that?
If you want African algae eaters, I think nerite snails are your best bet. Large ones should be fine with the Ctenopoma.
40 gallons is kind of tight for S. euptera, and afaik they're not especially great at eating algae anyway. S. contracta is supposedly much better and stays much smaller, but I don't know where you could get them, and getting them in proper numbers might be quite expensive.
Look at smaller marginal plants as long as you keep things lidless. Not only can the plants give things for the newts to climb on, being mostly above water will let you keep cool plants you normally can't keep. For example, Variegated Japanese Dwarf Rush and dwarf horsetail don't get too huge and require the plant to at least be 30% above water for it to survive.
Hey guys, I got a java moss before and it was dead on arrival so I bought another one and the guy said he gave it some fertilizer but I don't think it worked.
It has a little green though.
If you have a hanging fliter you can lower the water level in the tank causung the filter to break the water surface like a water fall, it will cause some water flow, probably enough for the moss.
Not homemade, but I do feed my fish "colour flakes" and it does make them more vibrant, mainly red though. Whenever I've fed them on normal food they've lost the brighter colours after a week or two and gone back to their normal colours.
Doesn't affect their health at all.
>Tfw built a diy setup for co2 that negates any of the downsides of a diy setup for a fraction of the price.
- is pressurised enough for use with ceramic disks
-reaction can be controlled
-co2 can not only be turned off but timed to turn off and on automatically
>Take 5 RCS from a shrimp tank and put them in a community tank.
>The fish immediately attack them
>They vanish for weeks
>Think "That's them dead then"
>Just seen one now on a leaf
>Meanwhile in my special shrimp only tank where I take the utmost care to provide the best conditions they have never bred.
Where are some places I can get some cheap rocks for my aquarium?
Petco has black slate for like $5 a chunk and that's much more than I want to spend.
How big of a tank should I get if I want to have:
5-6 Denison Barbs
12-15 Rummy Nose Tetras
3-4 Peppered Cories
Some Amano Shrimp
And maybe some Duboisi
Also, any tips on my selections?
I know the Duboisi will get pretty big, so I'd consider alternatives that resemble the juveniles and stay below 3".
Also, I know the barbs need a lot of swimming space.
It's below 0 and there is snow everywhere. Any other ideas? I don't want to wait until may to go rock/drift wood hunting.
I checked craigslist, but not surprisingly there isn't a large rock market out there.
I have 6 common mud turtles in a 175 gallon tank that's cut 3/4 with a 110 wet/dry tank underneath. I have a pvc basking platform and I'm just getting started. The return sprayers are on either end.
My problem: I need to add a nesting box for the females who lay about every other month or so, as I don't feel like putting them in a soil substrate with a basking platform to lay.
The tank width is about 19" the length about 72". There's about 7" from the top to the water surface.
I was thinking of using two tupperware tubs and cutting a 6x6 hole and adding a ramp in. Any ideas?
Included for entertainment is a pic of my buddy's leucistic snapper.
Citric acid and water in one bottle. Baking soda and water in another. With tubing joining both bottles.
Mix a little of the stuff together and close it up so it pressurizes.
Now the two chemicals are in separate bottles but the cirtic acid will be drawn up the tubing and into the baking sodabottle when the pressure drops. So the two chemicals are only mixed while co2 is being used and at the same rate the co2 is being used.
Solanoid valve attached to a timer switch controls on and off.
30-40 gallon minimum with either a canister filter, sump, or hang on back filter that filters at least 50 gallons. That's about my same set up with a 50 gallon filter. aqadvisor.com can help
>Checking temperature of room because I don't heat my tank and only have temperate livestock.
>Fluval digital thermometer says it's 24 degrees
>Mercury thermometer says it's 22 degrees
>Phone says it's 21 degrees
Muriatic acid. You can get it at home improvement stores. If it bubbles on contact with the rock, don't use it.
Heavy/toxic minerals aren't usually a problem, but many sedimentary rocks can screw with pH and hardness. That's what you'll be testing for with the acid.
Yes, but caliche is just calcium carbonate and you would obviously not want that in your tank. Scrub a prospective rock with water and a wire brush to remove any caliche dust, then try the acid. That's really the only reliable test I know of.
4 foot tank. Suggest getting more peppered cories. Duboisi cichlids come from Lake "Liquid Rock" Tanganyika (whereas all the other fish prefer soft acidic water) and would probably eat the amanos.
I have angelfish, cories, and glass cats. The reason I asked is because one of my glass cats swims downward after it eats (they normally swim with head higher than tail). I guess he's an idiot and over eats
I'm gonna start feeding them rcs babies after I get my nano tank set up
Two of my guppies gravid spot turned from dark to a pinkish red. They all got pregnant around the same time. Possible giving birth soon? I have a big bitch who is so boxy she looks like spongebob.
I did a thing with tile from Home Depot.
>$300 initial price
Pulling numbers out your ass? Check.
You can get a 5lb CO2 tank for 60 bucks on ebay, and a regulator with a solenoid for about the same.
$120 is less than half of your bullshit "initial price".
Low quality and low quality control. Hikari and omega one are readily available and are very good. I feed my guppies hikari tropical micro pellets and they have grown very big and bright colors
My roommate is upgrading from a ten gallon to a 20 long, so we went to the store to look for fish to put in there and he decided he wanted noodles.
They actually don't hide very much, and there's only the one hide in there. I like them.
They won't hide if you get enough of them (6+ usually), the more you have the more active and social they'll be
Waiting tomorrow to get my 10 Kuhlis, it's gonna be fun watching them in quarantine for a month and then seeing them bowl around my cherry and amano shrimp in the main tank after.
Sup /an/ I added 3 marble mollies to my tank 3 weeks ago and there's been some trouble.
One of them died within a few days. The other two are alive and well but they lay on the bottom of the tank a lot. Is this normal behavior for these fish? Because I'm not sure what else would cause this. It's an established tank, the size is fine, it's not overstocked, water parameters are fine, regular waterchanges and peaceful tankmates. Everything should be fine so I dunno.
Don't know if this was a criticism or not, but they are in a school (5) and they're on sand now, main tank is soil type substrate.
From what I've read it's a matter of having enough of them and giving them enough hiding places to feel secure. I guess I expected them to hide more with five of them and one proper hide, but there's rarely a moment I can't see them all in the tank. He's saying he wants to go back and get five more now.
You mean the tanks themselves? They're made by All Glass, the same company that makes tanks for Aqueon. They seem to have a much better reputation for quality and longevity than Perfecto (Tetra and Marineland) tanks.
>He's saying he wants to go back and get five more now.
Do it. I'm not particularly sure if a 20l has enough footprint for 10 kuhlis, but their activity level will certainly increase
Got 1 gallon as present from friend because friend thinks you can put goldfish in a bowl. Current plan for it is:
Get it planted, probably basic java fern maybe java moss
Use water from next water change from my 10 gallon
Wait a month
Add 4 cherry shrimp, not sure what color yet
So I've just completely redone my tank out. Took everything out. Washed the gravel (in tank water not in tap water) and put everything back together and put fresh dechlorinated water in.
Is it safe to put the livestock back in now? Obviously the water is cloudy but is it going to spike with ammonia?
What are my males doing with my females? They're about to give birth it seems but a few males are just chilling with the females. All other guppies are swimming about and eating.
I dunno. I've owned guppies for years and years and they never cease surprise me with their ability to find ways to do stupid things.
We're talking about fish that will swim away from food in order to eat poop, spit that poop out and then eat it again.
I'm planning on making a swamp box from a spare terrarium I have. I'm going to put swamp mud and water in with a small section of land for sow bugs and fungus. What plants should I put in to keep the water clean and make the tank mostly self-sufficient?
Nothing too big, the tank isn't very large.
tfw when you posted this in the other fish topic
tfw its a clever set up since you know how to use a solenoid/timer but tfw mixing yeast and shit to get co2 and start a reaction into dirty plastic bottles
tfw a 5lb cylinder lasts 4 months and you dont have to fuck with it ever
tfw you need to pass a vacuum
Not the same anon but it's rare but if they figure it out they will do it. They are very smart fish like most cichlids. I had one Oscar who would push snails out of his tank and put all fake plants where he wanted and if I moved them he would pick them right back up and put it in the same spot.
Yes, but only in wrasses as far as I know. Those are very distantly related animals and would be about equivalent to asking someone to believe your hamster is sharpening sticks and using them as tools because apes do and they're both mammals.
If someone has an oscar using tools they should record it because that's new to science.
I didn't say cichlids weren't smart. I just said if someone has oscars using tools thats something new and should be recorded.
What other fish use tools? Everything other than the wrasse seems to be heavily grasping at straws.
There's more but fish are capable of learning to use "tools" especially to get food. But yes an Oscar on camera using a rock to smash a snail would be a nice discovery and funny.
>Everything other than the wrasse seems to be heavily grasping at straws.
even the wrasse thing was pretty contrived.
I mean it smacks shellfish against rocks to open them. That's a bit like saying lions use the ground as a tool to hold their dinner against while they eat it. Or lammergeyers use rocks as tools when they drop bones on them.
not exactly what we usually mean when we discuss tool use.
but whatever. I've kept oscars and I've kept wrasses and I can tell you oscars are the smarter of the two.
Newts are extremely adept at escaping, any hole a large fly could escape through, a newt most likely also could, they can also climb up glass. Lidless tanks without specially designed edges and tall plants probably won't end well.
>Amanos aren't hardy and often die for no reason or as soon as you introduce them to your tank
Who started this meme?
I've got 8 of the things and I've only lost one, which was a massive female probably at the end of it's lifespan.
I've moved them between tanks I own. I've kept them in tropical tanks, cold water tanks. A bucket. They just keep living.
Yeah I think petstores dose their water with medicines and anti fungal stuff.
It's all good till you get them to your untreated water and they suddenly start to wither away.
One time I kept trying to have black mollies, because theyre dope, but each time I got them they would get this white fungus on them.
No other fish has had that in my tank since.
I've only heard it once or twice, but I agree with you. I've never had one die during introduction, and only two die from old age about two years after I got them.
Mollies tend to be sickly in general in freshwater. They drop off like flies in the stores, too, but you don't notice because they have so many.
My Marsilea hirsuta foreground got completely melted, with barely any survivors. So sad
If it doesn't bounce back in a few months, what other foreground plant should I try? Preferably from Asia
Yeah apparently they are a brackish fish.
Some cab even be in saltwater tanks.
Once my gourami passes on i think I will start a brackish tank.
Can Swordtail or platies in general survive in a brackish tank?
I'm really tempted to scrub out the diatoms, but since there's been an explosion of baby shrimplets I've been leaving it there for them to feed off of
And now I found out my LFS didn't get my Kuhlis again. Been waiting since the beginning of December to get them, tired of waiting. Where's a good online fish vendor that I can order from?
They can be acclimated to fresh, brackish, or salt water as long as it's done gradually. They seem to be especially susceptible to freshwater ich, but as long as you can keep that out of your tank, they're noir so bad. They do tend to get ill less often in brackish water, but i think that has more to do with the fact that there simply aren't very many diseases that thrive in brackish water. Guppies are much better suited for brackish water than platies or swordtails.
Finally got my Betta all set up in his 10-gallon. He's absolutely loving it. Going Going to look into a small dithering species like some Zebra Danio for him to herd around in around day or so, water testing withstanding. Thank you, /an/, for being awesome enough to give me the idea for it.
Yep. I've seen a pregnant female platty near birth hide out in the java fern...presumably to get away from the male. And it's good to have something like java fern for both the females and fry...they love it. Anyhow, the males will not stop.
Shipping overnight is god awful, would order if I lived in the Southeast though
Water Sprite, it's a nice floating plant but I'm getting sick of seeing little fernlets breaking off and getting stuck in my shrimp guard and in between crypts
Gonna switch to Dwarf Water Lettuce soon if they can live in my tank
Hey guys, my mom's birthday is coming up and I've noticed that her betta fish doesn't have much of a tank.
I've seen so many amazing enclosures(?) that you guys have shown, and two things for sure that I want to get her are a new tank and marimo moss balls. Those are the ones that are natural balls right? And don't take over the enclosure?
not anon who you were talking with, but my limited knowledge says if it filter wasn't disturbed, you can go in a few days because the whatnot growing in the thingy will reduce cycle time.
Yes, you can make an absolutely beautiful 10 gallon tank for your mom's betta with just some gravel, anubias, java ferns, and java moss, then throw in the marimo moss balls.
Best part about it, it's all dirt cheap. Every plant I've listed doesn't need to be buried in dirt to grow underwater. Just use super glue or cotton string to attach them to some aquarium safe rocks/wood.
So just have some easy to clean substrate, like gravel, then something ornamental in the center with the plants attached to it, then throw the marimo moss balls around the tank.
Just ordered some of these to help keep my diatom/minor green spot algae problem in check, they also look pretty cool too
I hope they don't poop too many white eggs everywhere though
Danios tend to be a bit boisterous to keep with bettas. Small rasboras or tetras are better.
See about getting a heater, too. Even the cheap ones on eBay work surprisingly well.
>And don't take over the enclosure?
Correct. They get bigger, but at about the rate of glacial drift.
They have them at PetSmart.
What kind of fish is this?
The substrate is a mix of Eco Complete and Flourite Sand. It's actually quite pleasing to see it
This was the tank a month ago when my marsilea carpet was just beginning to take off and the left side of the tank was more filled in... Why was I such an idiot to increase the lighting intensity and melt them all
Is it ok if a temperate water tank fluctuates between 20 and 23 degrees depending on the time of day/night and if the sun is shining in the room?
Everything in the tank is happy at those temperatures but do they care that the temp might go up or down 3 degrees in the space of a few hours?
Fill in the right side more and the tank will look 10 times better.
At the moment the visual line of your tank is broken.
Should I consider my tank finally done or change something?
I've been cycling a 2.5 pico reef about 2 weeks now and noticed that I started to get yellow-green growth on the glass in one spot. Should I be worried about it? Also, does anyone know how to get rid of freshwater limpets or do I just have to live with em?
I want to get a few CPO and want some natural looking hiding places for them.
You might be able to sculpt one using hydraulic cement, but you need to be very careful with it. I used it as a divider between the land and water in one of my gecko enclosures. It makes your water very alkaline if you just toss it in the tank once it has dried. I submerged what I used in water for a little over a month, changing the water every couple of days til the parameters were normal. You can also color it using quikrete cement pigment.
My sculpting skills are absolute shite. I'll probably just gather a bunch of rocks from the lake by my house and silicone them into something cave-like.
So, I think my betta offed one of my cory cats. Haven't seen her in about two days, and he's been chasing the others and flaring at them. This is the first time I've ever had a betta that didn't work in a community tank, I'm a bit annoyed.
I want to move the cory cats into my 40 gal, but the tank has kuhli loaches. Do cory cats and kuhlis do okay together?
Also, aside from snails, is there anything I can put with the betta that he won't destroy? 20 gal is a big tank for one asshole fish.
they probably lifted on some of the plants I collected, I don't mind them.
What are some popular aquarium memes /aq/?
>RCS can't be kept in a community tank if you want them to breed. No fish is shrimp safe!
Literally every person I've bought RCS off has been breeding them in a community tank with fish.
So the other day I took all the moss out my tank and kept it in a bucket of room temp tap water for a day while I moved some stuff around.
Now I've put it back in my tank it's been a very dull green and covered in grey fur for a few days.
Is it dying or something? Or will it recover?
>Clarias Batrachus grows up to 2m in captivity and is so aggressive it will kill every tankmate, no matter what they are
Possibly the most demonized aquarium fish.
Why bother acclimating the fish to the water, do they honestly expect them to live?
Um... one of my bettas has a planaria on its head.
This isn't dangerous, is it? It can't burrow into its skin or anything right? I just noticed it when I was looking at my fish and saw it wiggling around.
My betta likes to swim up into his filter and just sit there
(No he doesn't get trapped, I usually nudge him away when I find him there and he simply swims back into the tank, he can get out on his own too. But he often returns.)
Ok so I got this plant, not sure what it is, and it's rooted to this brown stuff and has this green cage going over the top of it. I don't like it but can't get it off.
Is it for the best that it stays like this anyway guys
knife fish are amazing. watching them swim is mesmerizing
People buy them here thinking they're piranha and get mad when they don't eat fish or return when they get big. I love pet stores but I hate them at the same time. The one I usually go to just got some dyed parrot fish.
White Cloud is a good start.
I have to say Silver Dollars. They look absolutely amazing when schooling and display interesting behavior, but a lot of people think they look boring.
Progress of my tank, rate/advice?
It looks too cluttered, but...also bare? It's a 90L tank and no.3 is where I'm at now. Fish are:
3 flame tetra
6 neon tetra
1 wood shrimp
1 oto catfish
I know its a mix but I like the variety...tank just needs a lot of aquascaping, ideas?
I made a gelatin for my snails once.
Made of ground algae pellets, berry flavored Tums, a little bit of flake food, squash baby food and gelatin mix. Pour that in an ice cube tray, quarter them after they harden and you have a good portion of nutritious snail/cory food.
You're way overstocked. Angels need much more room than that. You'll need to upgraded as soon as you can. If things go wrong in that tanks they will go wrong very fast and you can lose the entire stock.
I know it looks horrible, but will it carpet? It's HC. I'm reluctant to spread it out because I don't want to damage the roots too much
First things scrub that tank with a fresh sponge
Now I have read that you can gather a bunch by boiling some cucumber and letting it sink.
Those snailliggers gather up on it and you can scoop then out.
If you keep at it you can probably reduce their population to a manageable level
I have 2 African Clawed Frogs that I recently moved in to their own tank as they were finally big enough to try and attack my other fish. I want to get a plecostomus or some other form of algae eater for them. I had a common pleco in the original tank which they got along with, but he grew much too large for the 20 gal tank I got for the frogs. Is there a smaller algae eater that the frogs won't mess with, or should I get another plecostomus and swap him out when he gets too big?
So my catfish has some junk on its head. I have no clue what it is, but it kind of looks like it's the substrate from the tank.
Anybody know what's up?
I don't have any other pics, he's currently hiding in a pineapple.
I've had this fish for roughly 5 months now, I just moved him from a 30gal to a 60 last night. I noticed this after he was transferred.
The 60 gal has had around two weeks of time to establish. I bought some cichlid sand that had bacteria in it already, transferred a foam filter from my 30 into it, and put in a bunch of goldfish.
I'll attempt to get more pictures via tipping over his pineapple and see what happens
What I would do at this moment is about a 25% water change. Until you can figure out what it is a 25% water changer daily can be a lot better and fix things better than any medicine can and more safe. Brought many a friends sick fish back this way.
After knocking his house over, seems that the stuff isn't there... guess it was just the sand sticking to his head?
Though now he seems a bit annoyed I knocked over the pineapple
Weird. Must have gotten it stuck to himself somehow lol. I really want a Raphael again but last time I had one it got bloat and body got stuck in a hole when I was sleeping and some idiot left the window open during winter and almost froze my tank and killed my last one.
Maybe 1 in 1000 of the people who buy them have the hundreds of gallons necessary to house a proper school.
Not him, but water sprite grows fine floating, and the roots provide an area for baby shrimp/fry/small bugs to colonize. Also, if the leaves are exposed to the air, they are more efficient at removing nitrates and oxygenating the water because they have access to the relatively higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere.
And no, that is nowhere near an angelfish's max size.
Rubberlip and bristlenose are the common ones. There are others, but they'll be a lot more expensive and harder to find. I don't know if you have a heater in the tank, but the rubberlip deal with cold water better.
Thank you, anon
My phone pictures are TOO good. File size too large, unfortunately.
Thanks for the advice. I read that Danios can get nippy if they're bored, so I ended up going with some (four for now) Neon Tetras and a couple of Ghost Shrimp. Little Levi(athan) hasn't been aggressive to them at all. He occasionally swims by one of the Neons and checks them out, then swims back up to the top and chills by the heater. That's HIS heater.
Here, let's see if this works. Levi is at the top. Little guy is the best.
As long as it's not too severe a change, and it's gradually over a few hours, then no.
Just eyeball it over time and if the inhabitants aren't obviously stressed out or dying right and left then it should be fine.
But do give it some leeway for fish/inverts that die off due to old age, sickness, etc. etc. etc. but not necessarily anything temp related.
No, it will probably leak all kinds of chemical fertilizers and shit into your tank. Get some scissors, cut open the bottom, and around the wires, then pull it out. Soak it in a bucket at room temp full of tank water from water changes. Test the bucket water after a couple days, if it's still the same as your tank water, then it's safe to go into the tank.
Put a good amount of the taller plants near the back, with the leftovers near the left and right side of the tank. Then put all of the smaller plants in the middle/front. Keep that piece of wood in the center, to the left, and move that greenish rock back to the center, but to the right of the wood. That way everything will be balanced and much "cleaner" looking.
Now, you need to either rehome those angels, sell them, or get them their own appropriately sized tank. Then bulk up on the numbers of all of your schooling fish.
The price of used tanks is getting ridiculous.
>I have a tank I bought for $100 brand new it has a fish in it so I want $100
Do people not get that having fish in the tank makes it worth less money? No one wants to buy a tank with fish in it. They want to put their own fish in there.
In fact the fish probably gets killed as soon as it gets home.
I want to do another tank to compliment my 40b. I have a 29g sitting around on the floor as a quarantine, but I'm honestly considering doing a 20l instead. Less water to work with even though I stopped doing water changes
That mostly depends on how big of a tank you're willing to spend on and maintain. A 10 gallon can only do the pygmy cory species, a nice 20 long can house most groups of medium cory cats, 29 gallons gets you in the smaller pleco range, and 55-75+ for the larger and/or active species of catfish
Cory cats are the nicest beginner catfish imo
Thanks anon, I'll have a re-arrange and try to post pics later.
I got the two danio from my brother as that's all he had in a tiny tank, that's what started my interest.
But I'm concerned about overstocking if I up the danio and flame tetra numbers?
I'm also stuck for what to do with the angels, obviously I'm a complete noob but please don't think I didn't ask at the aquarium whether they'd be suitable before buying them. I told them about my tank, the fish in it, and they assured me it'd be fine. I'm really attached to them but don't want to cause them stress once they grow bigger, what sort of tank would be a good size for them?
Sorry about the long post but I want my fish to be healthy and happy, so any advice for a noob will be taken on board!
My tanks starting to bore me, was thinking about adding crinum and yanking out about half the jungle val, moving the sad sword to the far left, taking out the house and adding allot more dwarf sag.
Load is 7ish cloud minnows, 3 corys (might double that) cherry shrimp, and am unknown number of otos.
Any one have ideas?
This picture is some months old but same fish, same spot.
Any reefers out there? Also, rate my reef. Full mixed reef w/ 60+corals. hugely diverse animal life 30g nano
That's how things are now. It's rare to come across good deals on Craigslist anymore. I put up my PS3 and Nintendo dsi XL for trade and some bitch was yelling that her 55g was worth more than all of that because it's a "giant" tank and wanted things around my house. I told her to fuck off and die.
Alright so I got a new fish and it's a betta. i haven't took care of one in over 7 years so I wanted to know the minimum size of the tank and water pressure etc.
I took care if an angel fish but never a betta so I wanted to know.
5 gallons, HEATED if your indoor temps ever drop below 75 degrees Fahrenheit. Yes, get a thermometer (glass is fine). 10 gallon waterfall filter with a coarse sponge put over the intake OR a 10 gallon canister filter to keep the water clean. A turkey baster to clean the tank.
Optional but nice: plants that don't get big, marimo balls, decorations with SMOOTH edges, light on the tank for 8 hours a day. If the edges could snag some panty hose, it'll snag a beta so don't get cheap plastic crap.
Every beta is extremely inbred and tends to be pretty delicate. Sudden temp drops, loud noises, and having the bowl be disturbed (ex: tapped glass) can make them get sick and die. Your first warning is lethargy, then they stop eating, and then they're dead. They also injure easily. Good luck.