>>2033869 Non-Western cultures in general seem to take a very... "different" approach to animal welfare. The Japanese specifically don't seem to be that bad (compared to, say, China), but I was specifically referring to keeping fish in bowls.
>>2033990 >I heard you have to make sure to provide enough space for each specific fish that you want to buy. those laws exist in other countries as well, but really, who would ever give a shit/control/enforce this?
>>2033945 Mostly China for goldfish, Japan for koi. And koi aren't bad, they're just colorful carp. The Japanese are also responsible for some of the "least fucked up" goldfish, like wakin and jikin. Their biggest transgression AFAIK is the tosakin, but that one is basically just a statement of neurosis.
A friend from Paris did not want to give me 15€ for my old used 25l shrimp tank with heater, lamp and filter. Too expensive. He told me in France they just put goldfish in bowls and everybody is fine with it; they are only fish.
This kind of selfish thought bothers me. The idea that an individual is totally warranted in taking a life under their responsibility and, rather than outright killing it, is often socially and economically encouraged to neglect and indirectly mistreat the life.
This happens with everything from cats and dogs to lizards and birds to fish and frogs. This human-centrist view discourages the sort of progressive thought necessary to catalyze the paradigm shift needed in industry and legislation to put humanity back in good standing with each other and the planet that we live on.
>>2034009 >work at petshart fish dept >woman is holding a 1.5 gallon bowl looking at the mollies >tell her "none of these fish are okay in bowls. the bowls are for bettas, but even they would do better in a tank" >woman, "oh" >she puts the 1.5g bowl down on a shelf and picks up a half gallon drum >muttering something about "for a dumb betta"
>>2034006 Some Japanese breeds of fancy goldfish look awful, but most of them are actually just as live just as long and are just as hardy as regular fantail goldfish. I'm not saying Japan is a shining example of proper animal care (their fishing practices alone...), just that it's incorrect to put them on the same level as China when it comes to developing nasty breeds of domesticated animals.
>>2034043 I assumed it would just have to do with manufacturer labeling. Like, you have to show a properly stocked tank on the packaging (looking at you, Aqueon) and you can't make a 5 gallon kit that has a label saying "Ideal for barbs!" (still looking at Aqueon)
>>2034043 That would be great, but almost no one would buy fish, and because fish aren't mammals, their suffering doesn't hit most people in their feelings. They wouldn't be profitable anymore, so petstores wouldn't stock them, or would go under.
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