How would a dog wear pants? I need to know.
The first pic is absolutely full fucking retard.
Those "pants" are covering their dog nipples. Now, maybe you're a fucking nerd, but I certainly don't wear my pants up around my nipples.
>dogs have 4 legs not 2 legs and 2 arms
Well now that's just wrong and stupid.
I would say no dog is going to wear pants without being trained to do it. You couldn't just slap some levis on a dog. For example, it takes puppies about 3 weeks to adapt to wearing a collar.
Sure, they just walk on them. Front legs have shoulder blades and elbows like human arms do, back legs have hip joints and knees. Dogs use their front paws to manipulate things like people do, just not with great dexterity. They're arms that also function as legs in a walking capacity.
You know, I thought 4chan had grown a little. No, really I didn. Maybe it was silly of me, but I figured over the years our collective age had risen to maybe 17 or 18. But no, I see posts like this just a little too often and it shatters that concept of maturity i had mistakenly formed.
Friend, it's people like you that cause me to weep at night. I can't sleep. Don't know why. Maybe I don't get the right amount of exercise. My life is pretty sedentary: wake up, drive to work, sit at a computer for 8 hours, drive home, watch some TV, go to bed. I mean I should exercise I guess. But I don't, and so I can't sleep.
I stay awake at night, in my bed. 3, 4 am, I know because I got a big alarm clock and I can read the numbers from 100ft away. I lay in bed and just think about the stupid shit I see posted here. Shit like you just posted about these insane delusions of 4 legged creatures. I worry about where the country is headed, where humanity is headed. Where the fuck can we go when people like you are out there breathing up all the oxygen and just fucking existing. I mean what the fuck is this world coming to? How does this happen?
Where does the blame lie for this kind of thing? Are we failing you in schools? Are parents to blame for this kind of thing? I just don't know. How do we stop this collective retardation of the world? Where does it end? In 5 years and I going to be talking to kids on here who don't believe the sky is blue, or that water is wet? Am I going to have an argument with someone that when you throw something into the air, it will come down?
I'm fucking scared now man, and it's because of people like you. You're the reason I can't fucking sleep, why I'm scared of nuclear armageddon, because it's people like you who vote for that shit. Fucking people who can't even fucking string together a coherent thought and make an intelligent observation.
Wings are arms. They're just shaped differerently serve different purposes in birds and mammals. Take a bat for example, bats have the same skeletal structure as other mammals with arms, elbows and fingers that adapted to a different shape and include another purpose.
All wings are arms but not all arms are wings. All things bats do with their arms, we do with ours. They have one up on us with the added purpose that they can fly with theirs. In which case, our arms have more in common with our legs that a bat's arms have in common with its legs - so do we have four legs? Bats may look at us thinking "hecan't fly with his arms so they must be legs like the other long gangly things hanging off his torso".
My dog wears a sleeveless coat, presumably because he's not wearing front pants and back pants
>serve different purposes
Yeah, so do front and hind legs. They use their fronts way more than their back legs. Have you ever had a dog try to give you its back paw instead of its front paw? Front legs are arms, they are also legs because they support weight, but they have elbows, not knees.
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>Have you ever had a dog try to give you its back paw instead of its front paw
My dog does when he comes in the house so I can clean the snow off
Dogs also scratch their ear and body with hind legs
It seems hind legs are more utilitarian in that sense
Dogs do not have fucking arms.
Do spiders have arms or 8 legs?
>In other animals, the term arm can also be used for analogous structures, (such as one of the paired forelimbs of a four-legged animal or the arms of cephalopods). In anatomical usage, the term arm may sometimes refer specifically to the segment between the shoulder and the elbow, while the segment between the elbow and wrist is the forearm.
No waaaaay. It's almost as if spiders aren't comparable to humans as dogs are due to the fact that they belong to a completely different class of taxonomy and have a completely different anatomical structure.
Why are we talking about cows now?
He doesn't have pants and has to ask his owner. The dog finds this very humiliating. The owner too. Both long for the days dogs could go out naked, wearing nothing but collar or harness.
All dogs should wear hijab. Dog without hijab is haram.
in anatomy, "leg" refers only to the shin of the hind limb. The tibia and fibula only.
the upper part is called a thigh, not a leg.
the front limb is just called the front limb in animals. The front paw is called a manus, or hand. The hind paw is the pes, or foot.
even if the front appendages are legs, perhaps given how the dog uses them the front legs have arm-hood and it would therefore not make sense to wear pants on appendages with armhood
What is a dog standing on when he's up on 2 legs? His HIND LEGS.
Hind implying that there is a front set of legs.
Dogs have 4 legs.
Why is this even a debate?
>hurr durr it's homologous to an arm so it must be called an arm
You can't compare birds to humans, dipshit. They aren't mammals.
Bat wings on the other hand, yes. Their wings are arms with fingers on the end.
Since the same tissues exist in female and male genitalia by your logic a penis is a clitoris and labia is a scrotum
>hurrr durrr dogs have 4 legs
Shut the fuck up you fucking idiot.
Dogs have 2 legs
If you were half the dog trainer I was, you would remember the "shake" command
The dog presents a paw to be shaken by the hand of a human
Do humans shake hands or feet?
Answer that question please.
Do humans shake hands or feet?
Any retard born yesterday will know the answer. That proves dogs have 2 legs and 2 arms.
BTFO just leave 4chan already.
>Do humans shake hands or feet?
Do humans walk on their hands? No, only when performing a trick.
Dogs don't have fucking hands
They're 4 legged friends
Wow it's amazing you typed this without even thinking of what it means.
Humans can walk on their hands, and dogs DO walk on their hands. They walk like bears and many other animals that have 2 arms and 2 legs. Idiot.
Humans walking bipedal is a learned behaviour. Babies move on all fours, feral children walk on all fours. Unless trained otherwise, both dogs and humans would walk on all fours.
Walking on all fours is hella awkward for humans - our arms are too short, our legs are too long, our shoulders and pelvis are shaped wrong. Compare gorilla and human skeletons.
The first human would have walked the way apes do - with their hands by default and just their legs conditionally. Humans just adopted the manner of not using their arms anymore.
So this happened. People were short as like 5'5 as recently as the 1800s, going back further, it would have been easier to walk on all fours anatomy-wise. Humans decided to stop using their arms to walk before their body structure stopped them from doing so.
>Humans just adopted the manner of not using their arms anymore
So they weren't taught to walk upright
Neither are toddlers, they just do. Dogs grow up with people and they don't walk on their hind legs, because they walk on all 4 legs
>People were short as like 5'5 as recently as the 1800s
That's because of poor nutrition
People are generally taller in developed countries on 2015 for the same reason
Hong Kongers used to be taller than main landers and south Koreans taller than north koreans because of nutrition
I don't think the Egyptians built the pyramids walking on 4 legs
Toddlers are taught to walk upright. Dogs who are raised with humans do not walk on their hind legs because they are not taught to. Humans raised with dogs are not taught to walk on their hind legs, so they don't. Humans raised with humans are taught to walk on their hind legs so they do.
The ancient Egyptians were, what, 5 foot average. If they did walk like apes and continued to do so, as nutrition improved over time then the human stature would have grown taller but arm and leg length would have stayed comparable to allow for quadrapedal walking. Humans now would be the same average height but shorter legs, longer torso and longer arms. Our proportions are as they are because we don't walk with our hands anymore.
Humans are the exception to the rule in that we are the only ones to stop using our arms to walk. If we had remained mostly quadrapedal, then all mammals would be seen to have arms and legs. Because we decided the classification system and we are the strange creatures to walk on hind legs, we have changed the rules - reclassifying all other mammals because we no longer compare to them. Animals still have arms as we have arms, we just forgot one of the functions.
>Humans just adopted the manner of not using their arms anymore.
I believe it's just the opposite. The added brain size gave them the added intellectual capacity to control more coordinated actions simultaneously, and the effective tool users would have had a significant advantage over the non-tool users, which quickly changes the gene pool to favor bipedalism within a few generations of successful tool use by anyone.
Toddler's aren't taught to walk upright. They just start doing it because they want to move faster than hands and knees allow them.
You might get the impression that it's taught because parents often encourage the behavior, but left to their own devices, a healthy human child will walk upright all on its own, just like a bird will figure out to fly when it's mature enough.
Pft, I just put a soft collar on whenever they get sleepy so they wake up with it. They don't even notice it after the second day.
Leash training is a whole different subject however.
>If you were half the dog trainer I was
Animals aren't meant for our amusement. Enjoyment, yes. Amusement, no. Training a dog to shake is embarrassing and degrading for the dog. It serves no purpose other than to amuse humans.
But we wear long sleeve shirts. Basketball players wear pic related. It's pretty darn close, anon.
The front limbs of all mammals are anatomical analogs with the same bones as human "arms". You are an idiot if you think front and hind limbs are even remotely similar
Second picture is how a dog would wear pants.
And just to add to this, the entire skeleton is preserved throughout mammalia with a few exceptions to distal limbs. The big difference is that humans have a clavicle which allows for upright use of the thoracic limb, one of the largest current mysteries in anthropology, why do hominids and primates have a clavicle? In medical and veterinary sciences the limbs are referred to as Thoracic and Pelvic limbs, not arms and legs. Horses, pigs, humans, rodents, bats, all maintain the same skeletal structure with varied modifications. The horse and other odd toed ungulates essentially walk on the tips of their middle fingers, the digit. The hoof is actually a modification of the distal phalanx. The entire structure of the heel and wrist contain the same bones in a human hand, with some fused or missing carpal/tarsal bones. There is also a distinction amongst the way the animal walks; on it's toes, tips of phalanx or hoof, or flat footed. Digitgrade, plantigrade, and unguligrade.
here is an example:
The thoracic and pelvic limbs are VERY different in all species of mammal. Only segmented arthropods would truly be considered to have more than two legs.
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Depends on different interpretations of further teachings.
Dogs are mentioned in the Quran three times and there is nothing prohibiting them.
Its easy to say they are haram because in most third world countries and lesser developed countries dogs travel wildely in packs and attack people on the street. That is why there is a general fear of dogs in those communities. Not to mention rabies and other infections. They are dangerous creatures especially in highly agricultural areas with poor street lighting.
That is why people may tend to agree with dogs being a bad thing.
On the whole there is nothing wrong with them.
"While a man was walking he felt thirsty and went down a well, and drank water from it. On coming out of it, he saw a dog panting and eating mud because of excessive thirst. The man said, 'This (dog) is suffering from the same problem as that of mine.' So, he (went down the well), filled his shoe with water, caught hold of it with his teeth and climbed up and watered the dog. Allah thanked him for his (good) deed and forgave him. The people asked ``O Allah's Apostle! Is there a reward for us in serving (the) animals? He replied: ``Yes, there is a reward for serving any animate (living being).
It is good to care for animals.
Just if you were looking for some truth and not bullshit you can see it above.
Now I have to clean my spit off my laptop screen...
>this thread is still here
It's like food repeating on me. There's part of me that's ashamed for having argued here for as long as I did but another part that still assures me that I'm right, dammit.
>pants dont exist to cover up legs
>what are spats
You're such a fucking idiot. Pants exist to cover the genitals. This includes the anus and the penis/testicles/vagina.
Only the option on the right covers the dog's genitals fully. The image on the left leaves the dog's butthole just swingin' in the breeze, idiot.
No one wear pants over their arms, don't be stupid. I also hate it when people say have backwards knees on their hind legs, what does that even mean?? Learn some basic anatomy, it's really not that hard.
The thing is, dogs have the equivalent of human arms, so they have arms. So does horses, cats, rabbits, apes etc etc etc. Only the ignorant will say that dogs only have legs and not arms. I can see why people would call them legs, but to deny that they are the equivalent of human arms is wrong. And since humans don't wear pants on their arms, dogs shouldn't either.
the problem is that "foot," "hand," "arm," and "leg" are all anatomical terms that don't change by use.
the humerus is the arm whether it's used like a human arm or not. The "front foot" is called the manus whether it's used like a human hand or not. The back foot is called the pes whether it's walked on or not. The tibia is called the leg whether it's used like a human leg or not.
the entire argument springs from the public's misuse of anatomical terms. That doesn't make the public wrong, they can use whatever words they want for things. It just makes them uneducated.
the uneducated view is that a dog's front limbs are legs.
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>Forelimbs of dogs and humans are homologous,
that's not true though. Hind legs and forelimbs on dogs are pretty homologous though.
>Hind legs and forelimbs on dogs are pretty homologous though.
Homology: A state of similarity in structure and anatomical position but not necessarily in function between different organisms indicating a common ancestry or evolutionary origin
So a dog ancestor had only one pair of limbs, which later developed into 2 pairs.
Sorry about your <50 IQ m8
>blessed with natures marvel, the self cleaning asshole
>forced to wear pants by stoopid humans
>thinks anyone on 4chan actually gets upset
No, he would be a human walking on his hands because he's still a human in the same way a vegan is still considered part of an omnivorous species
A leg is a weight-bearing structure used for locomotion in a species. "Arms" are generally only used for primates for positioning of the hand
the term "arm" refers to the humerus in all tetrapods. The term "forearm" refers to the radius and ulna.
just like in humans because veterinary anatomical terms are taken directly from human medicine.
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>Dogs still don't have arms
>the term arm can also be used for analogous structures, (such as one of the paired forelimbs of a four-legged animal or the arms of cephalopods).
>one of the paired forelimbs of a four-legged animal
> However, in common, literary, and historical usage, arm refers to the entire upper limb from shoulder to wrist.
But we're definitely not discussing limbs, right? Or should it be said that dogs have four legs and two arms from now?
your reading comprehension is astounding.
the passage you quote is saying that technically the arm is just the part from shoulder to elbow, but in common use it refers to the whole limb.
what part of that makes you think dogs don't have limbs, or limbs can't be arms?
are you fucking stupid? Or just can't read?
No, you said it was the function of the limb that decided the name, not if it was a part of a bigger group and ruleset. You are contradicting yourself and now you are saying that since a man without legs is a part of a bigger group (human species) he follows that groups rules for the naming of limbs. Well guess what, dogs and humans are also part of the same group, the one called mammals. And something mammals have in common is 2 legs and 2 arms.
>This fucking thread about whether dogs have arms or not.
Top fucking kek. You never fail to amuse me 4 chins.
I like all the "may"s in there. Since we're quoting wikipedia:
"Quadrupedalism or pronograde posture is a form of terrestrial locomotion in animals using four limbs or legs. An animal or machine that usually moves in a quadrupedal manner is known as a quadruped, meaning "four feet" (from the Latin quad for "four" and ped for "foot"). The majority of quadrupeds are vertebrate animals, including mammals such as cattle, dogs and cats, and reptiles, like lizards."
Just because a certain definition is used in a technical field (like veterinary medicine), that doesn't mean that's the "correct" definition, just that it's the one used in veterinary medicine.
Which is fine, however saying that a dog's for limbs is the same as it hind limbs is just wrong. Calling them all legs I can understand, there is always a lot of misconceptions in the common speach vs a scientific langauge (for example, people will say fruit AND berries when in fact all berries are fruit), but to deny that a dog has shoulders and hips, elbows and knees, wrists and ancles is wrong.