>>2024633 We basically got wingless dragons once. Dragons wouldn't really be a successful animal. If it was, it'd probably look a lot different and less cool. It would also have to have either HUGE fucking wings or it'd be small.
>>2024820 I love me some spyro but thing is are those bat like wings able to carry all that fat? I think asian dragons , the faggy ones who look like serpents, are more likely under certain circumstances. And what kind of enviornment would favor breathing fire beats me
>>2024921 Well yeah it's okay on them because they're supposed to be kind of cute and silly and having the butt dangle is the point. But when you have something like skyrim having dragons floating around gliding on practically skeletal wings is when it gets stupid.
Its worth mentioning a lot of the HTTYD dragons would have great difficulty flying because they didn't have still tails. >>2024940 Might be able to fly, but not with a gigantic tail dangling from it hanging down and whipping everywhere
>>2025202 It's physically possible, just impossibly unlikely. In the entire history of the planet no vertebrate has evolved six limbs, and even arthropods (who do fucking everything) keep their limb numbers the same.
Its not impossible for animals to evolve specialized appendages. And you have no fucking idea if those gliding lizards are heading in that direction. It could take another billion years for that to happen.
>>2025266 Ayy, there were gliding lizards living 150 million years ago (look up xianglong). If they had to evolve into dragons they would already have. Also it was already pointed out in this thread multiple times that ribs can't fucking evolve into limbs.
You retard. Whether life "Should" or "Should Not" exist is a fucking philosophical question. What matters is if it can exist, and it obviously can because we fucking exist.
What kind of backwards fourteen year old troll ignores what a century of research has managed to do for our understanding of life as we know it.
There is no precedence for gliding structures based on rib architecture ever functioning as a wing. There is no way to even make the fucking ribs into wings without doubling the amount of ribs, moving them to a point where the surrounding musculature can support and flex the fucking things, and then somehow having the creature get to the size of a "Dragon".
You dipshit. Just google a fucking six legged vertebrate. That jelly-like abomination is your starting point. Work with that invariably fucked up genetic clusterfuck that you have on your computer screen. Turn that into your fucking dragon.
You'd have more luck with a goddamn octopus than a fucking gliding lizard. You're either a some backwoods Christian mongoloid or an eight year old girl that's throwing a tantrum because her parents are telling her fairies aren't real.
FUCKING Retard there's nothing stopping that from happening you fucking mollusk for brains. Have you ever read how every part of your anatomy evolved? You understand that fish fins most likely evolved from gills right?
There is absolutely nothing stopping evolution from making exactly what you described happen. IF THERE IS SELECTIVE PRESSURE THAT LIZARD CAN EVOLVE FLAPPING WINGS! THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING STOPPING THAT! If there is somehow a need for six limbs a new order of animal can arise THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING THAT. Fish evolved extra appendages to help them swim, IF A LIZARD FOR WHATEVER REASON or how unlikely it is in YOUR FUCKING BRAIN, CAN EVOLVE TO HAVE WINGS there's absolutely nothing stopping it from evolving in that direction.
The only reason WE DONT HAVE six limbs in animals living now is because whatever basal fish we evolved from did NOT Have 3 pairs of fins instead it had 2 pairs.
You should maybe pull that cock you of your mouth so that you can let some oxygen into that starved turd you call a brain.
Closed minded piece of shit, id love to see your PHD IN NON evolutionary science.
If you have any fucking proof to show me otherwise why evolution cant modify an animals anatomy to become something else then SHUT TH FUCK UP!!!
>>2025429 I'm no expert obviously but I'd say depends on what those extra limbs are used for. Ones used in locomotion and weight support is a lot compared to say, tiny little chest arms I see in a lot of alien designs that are just used for manipulating objects.
Either way, more limbs means more energy, more oxygen, more blood, etc is needed to support them. They'd also needed extra modifications for them to be able to function so its not as simple as just 'growing' extra limbs.
Not if you're talking about having the typical 6 limbed ones. It'd be redundant as fuck for absolutely no reason. An animal doesn't need arms AND wings. If it has wings and needs to manipulate shit, it'll just use it's mouth/feet. If it has wings and needs to walk on all 4 it'll just move like a pterosaurs.
There's a reason all vertebrate life has 4 limbs. Even if life on land had started out with 6 limbs, most animals probably would have either evolved them away, or just kept the extra two as little atrophied arms for whatever.
Something like a wyvern is doable though. animals with gliding ribs don't really have a good basis for evolving flight, since they can't flap their ribs and use that as a reason to evolve bigger membranes/muscles/etc. If they were gliding using their arms or legs I could definitely see them evolving flight though.
Something like flying lemurs, or hell, even flying fish would have a better shot at it.
>>2025411 you are retarded, you have no idea how many changes would have to evolve all whilst giving the animal a selective advantage over other organisms, the odds of a given line of animals even lasting long enough to begin to evolve a pseudo limb from ribs, never mind survive long enough to see it fully evolve, is slim to none.
No. The way they're depicted in movies and video games they'd be way too heavy to fly, just like it's impossible for Pegasus to exist. In order to fly using wings the animal has be light and usually with hollow bones.
>>2025411 Yeah a lizard could evolve wings, in it's existing limbs. Mostly because evolution doesn't do retarded things liek growing entire extra limbs for no reason. It's be like a wolf having evolutionary pressure to get stronger jaws, and expecting it to grow gigantic strong jaws on the end of it's tail when it could, y'know, just have it's existing mouth gain strength super simply.
Everyone knows the draco lizards exist, no one is saying they don't work. The point is an animal isn't going to evolve a 6th limb. Those are literally just evidence against what you're saying because guess what? They use modified ribs to glide instead of a third pair of limbs.
>>2029108 >no one said they are limbs >post was a guy posting that in response to "not going to evolve a 6th limb"
No one is saying an animal can't have 4 legs and weird body structures like extended ribs or gliding membranes etc, etc. The point is nothing on our planet is going to develop a body plan like a dragon where it is 6 complete full on limbs.
>>2029077 And ear bones evolved from jaw bones... I don't have any idea how those would be useful in intermediary species, no idea how they didn't simply vanish... anyone has articles on this kind of stuff?
>>2029265 >anyone has articles on this kind of stuff? not really but I did a thesis on it. Also the book, "Your Inner Fish" goes into it quite a bit.
the bits served various purposes. The best studied one is perhaps the stapes or columella. variously served purposes in supporting the internal carotid artery, hearing, and jaw support depending on the animal.
in mammals there probably weren't any intermediate steps. The bones were recruited into the ear because that's the purpose they served from the very beginning- to transmit vibration from the jaw to the ear.
>>2029277 >that makes more sense yeah, they kept right on doing what they were doing, they just drifted away from the jaw and into an earhole. The jaw is useful for hearing underwater, but not so much in the air. So the bones involved apparently just migrated to where they'd do the most good.
we still use the jaw and bones of the face to hear some though. Primarily through the Eustachian tubes or (in other animals), the guttural pouch.
So besides letting us know that you have a massive superiority complex, probably cause you do have a small dick. You're also revealing to us the fantasies of a repressed faggot who wants to commit incest by sucking your daddy's dick?
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