how about instead of automatically closing yourself off from their ideology by labeling them "crazy left wingers" you openly discuss politics with them and explain why you've come to feel the way you do and see what their points of view on it are. Maybe you'll realize that you don't actually have all the answers after all, maybe they'll realize that some of their views are wrong.
>>16870789 >this view of libertarianism Well you've clearly not read about it enough. It's incredibly easy to describe socialism/communism the same. If you can't add a third dimension measuring how feasible you consider something to your political compass or it doesn't have more than two local min/max then I'd say you don't know enough to participate in democracy properly. And not seeing anything good with libertarianism pretty much guarantees you don't know enough.
It's very important for a democratic society to not have bigots. Or people unwilling to listen.
>>16870970 You're making a lot of assumptions there. I never said I don't see anything good about libertarianism. I agree with them on most if not all social issues. My first comment referred to how I feel about their economic views.
>>16871106 I'm not op. I don't get how you can just make claims like that and not feel bad about it though.
I'm not even libertarian (not by the US definition anyway which I presume were talking about here). Liberal (not US definition, can they just stop fucking things up?) sure but not that far right. Compasses place me somewhere in the center usually but it's very issue specific.
>>16871120 I don't know what you US definition of libertarian is, but every definition in the world couldn't change how retarded this "political" point of view is. Libertarian was created by wealthy people, for wealthy peoples. It really shows how far thirst for money can fuck people's mind up
>>16871532 Well if we assume every possible definition (as you seem to claim to know) it's basically spread from left to right and is a very liberal (rest of the world use) position. I'd argue it's more towards the extremes rather than center. Originally I believe libertarianism was left leaning. But I could be wrong (though I checked Wikipedia now and it concurs). Regardless the problem with American libertarianism is that it's almost at voluntarism and it's not consistent with the rest of the world. Even worse the libertarian movements in the US in the past were actually left leaning if I recall. The US has a very twisted political past overall it seems but I haven't taken any special interest in America history.
Regardless you haven't mentioned what's for the wealthy about libertarianism. I just don't see it. Is it the idea that the strong will prosper because there's so little authoritarian rules that they will fuck everyone? Maybe. That's the best I can do. But that really is a local governing issue at worst. It's not like you couldn't have stops in a libertarian system. Anarcho-communism or voluntarism couldn't though.
>"political"-in quotes I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. Are you confusing it with anarchy? I'd still argue that's political.
>>16871605 >authoritarian rules that they will fuck [sic] me and my hefty bags of cold because paper money and abstract concepts confuse me ive never read the leviathan because im a dumb guy and if i cant manipulate stupider people for ego and capital gain then the rules are fucked for everyone couldnt have said it better myself
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