I'm no 9/10 chad thundercock with a chiseled face and a 6 pack, but I'm not the male equivalent of these sad fucks that seem to be the only ones that are responsive to me either.
I think I'm a 7/10 and with an even better haircut, and losing even more weight and putting on muscle I could reach 8/10 easy
But yet the only girls who seem to be receptive are 5/10s and below
I don't like this, either they are super pretty or they are like a trainwreck to look at dichotomy, where are all the "pretty good" girls?
No some of these girls are literally difficult to look at.
It's easy to feel that way when talking to girls in person like I've done a lot, and when talking to them over facebook, but the best way to test to see how they interpret you on a purely physical level is to get on tinder (which I don't even use anymore)
Literally all of my matches were always the 5/10s and below
Never got anything higher
And when I talk to girls on facebook, the ones who are receptive kinda fall into that range, and the ones that are higher, even when I know they are single and they are laughing and seeming to like me, when I ask to go to X place with them sometime soon and they back out
It's weird, I don't know what's going on
>inb4 your ranking yourself too high you actually look bad and it shows
No because I've had other threads before where I asked to be rated and they said around 7/10
Not gonna post my face here because I don't want to risk someone who knows me knowing about all this
>It's weird, I don't know what's going on
Because lets say those girls you like are really super attractive and all that shit. Why would they want to go out with you?
I'm serious, why would they? They're told everyday they look beautiful by other guys, they've heard all the pick up lines, been hit on constantly, the works. They can smell desperation and can detect BS fro mles away after hearing it their whole lives. and on top of that can afford to pick and choose.
Why should she even give you the time of day? Because you have an okay hair cut and are sort of fit?
you have to bring more to the table than just confidence.
to them, you're just like those 5/10 girls that message you.
So what its impossible for a lower ranking person to get with a higher ranking person, who everyone has to get with equal rankings or maybe like 1 higher?
So if I'm a 7 why can't I get an 8?
And why aren't 8s willing to get with 7s?
The whole point I've been making is that there seems to be no middle ground, it seems like its either really bad looking or really good looking, I cant just find a girl who looks "nice" or "pretty good"
>but if i LOST WEIGHT and PUT ON MUSCLE, and CHANGED MY HAIR id be an 8
im sorry, how are two major life changes and one little (yet major aesthetic change) stopping you from just one point.
post your pic. and let us see what you are wokring with. otherwise we cant help. there is literally nothing we can do if we dont know how you ACTUALLY look. no, posting a more attractive look alike or posting a description of you will NOT help us see what you actually look like. post a pic, and lets see if ur as hot as you think u r.
>so what its impossible for a lower ranking person to get iwth a higher ranking person
no. people reach across when it comes to attractiveness, but it goes back to the original question
>what do you have to offer
why does the girl pick you over an 8/10? why? because you want her to? thats not a thing.
generally speaking if someone loewrs htemselves considerably its either becuase of personality or fetish. you sitting here being butt flustered about not getting more hotties tells us you aren't high ranking on the personality scale. maybe there is more to you but all we see is entitlement and desperation.
Nigger you aren't me
Ah see that might just be it
Do they date equal ever?
>Do they date equal ever?
of course. But you're using shit like tinder, where women are relatively scarce. You may as well give every woman you see on there an extra +2/10
That 5 is easily a 7 just because the website is a sausage fest. Almost every dating website and is female favored, the only difference is to what extent. Minus Christian Mingle anyways from what I've heard.
You're probably not as good looking as you make yourself out to be. Or your standards are too high and you're far too superficial, and that just gets in the way of you getting a girl.
It's very rare for women to date equal. Its more of a social thing ya know?
>"oooo you got a really hot guy! you go girl!" If a woman dates down then her friends will shit on her for doing so.
>"Awesome bro you got a girlfriend! can you help me get one too?" so on so forth. Men rarely talk shit if you date down. Its the "at least you got a gf" mentality. Unless she's SUPER ugly, then men won't say nothing.
Normally I don't give a shit posting my entire face but this is kind of a touchy subject for normies and I don't wanna risk getting dumped on IRL over it, this isn't a standard "rate me" thread
So here's me
>inb4 you dont look great
I already know that, I'm a bit chubby and need to shed some more weight, I'm working on it,
>inb4 bad hair
Well you shoulda seen it before, I need one more good solid cut to get the uppercut thing down just right
Plus it was cloudy on that day and I suck at taking pics
Just try to lump me into one of 3 catagories:
Ugly, meh, or pretty good
>I think I'm a 7/10 and with an even better haircut, and losing even more weight and putting on muscle I could reach 8/10 easy But yet the only girls who seem to be receptive are 5/10s and below
7/10 ain't good enough, all or nothing bro.
You look fine, from what I can tel. Not particularly good looking, but not terrible either. Just plain average.
I'm not liking the excuses you're making though. You have a shit attitude.
then why do fugly ass guys get in relationships with attractive girls? looks are definitely not everything
unless you're in it for casual sex, than your personality probably means more.
As much as I admire your self-esteem, you cannot limit yourself or you'll be foreveralone. I mean, come on OP. Use the head between your shoulders, not your thighs; for all you know a fattie could be THE ONE but you won't give her a chance.
Play Second Life for a while and you'll hopefully start to learn that inner beauty is real.
I actually can't because I'm actually pretty bad with the rankings, I've just been estimating
I'm better at putting girls into 3 catagories "ew, pretty, and hot"
So when I keep referencing 7/10s I mean pretty
I guess a cheer leader is hot, some girl who is 100 pounds over weight and/or has a shitty face is ew, and a girl who doesn't need to lose that much weight or any and/or has a pretty smile is pretty
I'm trying to use this to get better at giving rankings
>inb4 that url lol
I know its weird but the pics seem to be accurate, just tell me which you think I'm closest to and if there is any way(s) for me to improve
Unknown muscle mass but I would say I'm on the stronger side
Broad shoulders because everything is in proportion
Well its technically something like 6'4.25 or something, I dunno, the doctors can never see the top of my head so I get different measurements, some say 6'4, some say 6'5, the doctor just yesterday said 6'4.25
>too tall to be attractive
Also at the same time I get compliments on it all the time
And even when people ask how tall I am but without saying it's cool, I can see it in their faces, they never look at me like I'm a freak but like they are in awe
A taller girl might not care, but most girls I know wouldn't really want to date someone a whole foot or so taller than they are. Generally speaking, the average girl would want a shorter guy.
There's your problem. Your BMI is 31.4, you are in the obese range. I think you have a decent looking face but your weight is evening the scale. You're already trying to lose weight so all I can advise is patience. I really do think this is your problem, unless you dress poorly or have awful social skills.
In the colder months I can hide it really well with clothes, but its more obvious when I have to wear short sleeves and short pants
I was originally this height and 307 but I've already lost a fuckload of weight, but I need to lose more
I also know that doing so will make my face look better too
Also its weird that its called "obese" because when I talk to people and ask them if I look fat or big they nearly always say I just look big, like tall
So is it like other guys think I look tall, and girls think I look tall and subconsciously think I look fat on top of it and aren't even aware of it?
Also what would be a good weight for me?
>I think I'm a 7/10
>losing even more weight
Are you implied that you are a fat 7? Don't kid yourself. (And yes, chubby is the same shit)
No where near 7 but not ugly, slightly above average it is unless you have super ugly small eyes.
>when I talk to girls on facebook
Found another problem. Talk to people IRL. Besides, you care way too much about all of this shit.
Fine so what exactly am I mean to do besides continue to lose weight and how will I look once its done?
Am I perma-fucked or can it be fixed and eventually I will look like an 8/10?
Not that anon, but going by your face picture, you're average and you're going to remain average. Seriously, work on lowering your standards, because they're higher than you can afford to have right now.
>Also its weird that its called "obese" because when I talk to people and ask them if I look fat or big they nearly always say I just look big, like tall
70% of the US population is overweight or obese. I think that people have begun to lose sight of what a normal weight looks like. Even so, at 210 lbs you would be down to a BMI of 24.9, which is in the normal range. (overweight begins at 25 and obesity is greater than 30.) But you shouldn't go by just weight as everyone carries it differently, and BMI is only a generalization.
Well once you replace fat with muscle and grow out a beard, you might. Though no reason to count on it nor care about it. Your looks aren't off putting from what I can tell, so not too relevant, good looks can get you attention, if you don't have the personality to keep it, it's worthless.
Focus on growing as a person ... while losing weight and you'll be fine eventually.
I am >>16829012 and >>16829078, but not the anon you're responding to.
I don't think your face looks chubby. Are your pictures on tinder bodyshots or just face shots? I suppose this could be one way to rule out whether or not it is your weight. Your face is definitely fine though, I think you're above average. Another possibility is that your height may be intimidating to some women, but I don't think your height is unattractive.
There is no way that with my height and my whole "looking like an out of shape football player" thing that I am a damn 5
I'm not 10/10 but I am not a 5/10 either
I'm a 6/10 or a 7/10
With weight loss and muscle training I can be at 8/10
That's my goal
It's undeniable that the better you look the easier it is, and I am willing and able to make the effort to look better
It's called don't be a bitch and; Eat good, drink good, and work out
You don't get to decide how attractive you are to other people. I think you're a 5 because you're freakishly tall and fat. I can't see you being an 8 or more, your average face keeps you at a 7 max (assuming you had a good body).
Just because you're not as tall as an NBA player, doesn't mean that you're not freakishly tall. Average height for a male among the general population is 5'10"-5'11"ish in most Western countries, and you're 6-7 inches taller. That's more than the average penis length. Unless you're Nordic, you're freakishly tall. And you're fat too, remember? Like I said, you're a 5.
>insists he's at least 7/10
>admits his dick is not impressive
>out of shape
Yeah no. No girl with standards is going to chase you like a prize catch. Not with your shit attitude and your entitled complaints about what you deserve.
Your only hope is applying effort - working out will get you a better body, and socializing in person will establish who you are better than Facebook. Assuming you aren't so fucking infantile in person that you can see a woman for her personality as well as how big her tits are, you might actually land a 7 and keep her around.
But you won't score anything with where you are currently. Stop defending your 5/10 score and go do something about it like a damn man.
Nobody cares about your height. My best friend is 5'8" but he consistently pulls gorgeous girls because he's a lead guitarist in a band, has reasonably well developed social skills, and has the kind of body that 405 pound deadlifts builds.
Failure with women comes down to three factors: not putting in enough work on yourself, not having anything to offer, and not being able to have a conversation.
I really feel like girls standards are just too high in general, they never initiate and always expect you to have the entire package of "value", its not just if they are single they will give anyone at least one date so long as they aren't visibly ugly, no you gotta have X Y Z and D before they are even willing to give you a trial run.
I really hate this country.
I think its less that their standards are too high and more that you're not bringing anything to the table. I know ugly guys who date constantly because they can manage a conversation, I know rich guys in great shape who can only get whores because they're just off putting people.
The only real deal killer is a lack of confidence.
>"I want girls who are more than 5/10"
>girls are the ones with too-high standards!
It's not their fault that you're not attractive. Just like you want to date more attractive girls, they want to date more attractive guys. Stop complaining.
>bringing to the table
And what is bringing to the table? Having a booming 24/7 social life and being on a sports team?
And why is it even a matter of what I can and can't provide, isn't dating supposed to be finding someone you like as a person not what they have materially that you can leech off of like its some kind of business deal?
If a girl is single, has nothing going on to suck up her time, and a reasonably looking guy walks up and asks her out, what reason does she have to say no?
What does she have to lose?
What do you have to offer a girl? Not shit like "I'm a pleasant guy" or "I won't fuck them over like other guys will" - what do you ACTUALLY have to offer them? Why SHOULD a girl want to date you?
I just explained that its not a business deal its finding someone you click with as a person.
Rejecting someone right out of the gate because they don't look like a model and/or have a bunch of social connections is stupid.
You're right, it's not a business deal. But the more you can offer a potential partner, the more likely they are to give you a chance to see if they click with you.
>Rejecting someone right out of the gate because they don't look like a model and/or have a bunch of social connections is stupid.
I'm sorry, but isn't that exactly what you're doing? These girls you deem to be 'too ugly' for you - you're rejecting them right out of the gate because they don't look like a model and/or have a bunch of social connections.
You're still getting caught on thinking theres some magical strategy. Dating is about wanting to spend time with someone. There are a lot of reasons you might want to do that, but its likely going to be a combination that keeps you around. Women aren't any different.
It doesn't matter if you're reasonably attractive, if you're obnoxious they're not going to say yes. If they don't know you, they aren't going to say yes.
"I'm no chad thundercock"
Your exact words.
The point is that you are blaming women's standards (as if we have a rubric we whip out to grade your sorry asses on) for your own failings instead of taking responsibility and admitting you need work. The fedora wearing manchild with the hot girlfriend is not succeeding because of looks - he's got something you don't. Could be money, or it could be personality. Maybe the girl used to be the ugly nerd in school and she knows how to look past appearances, but you won't know that just be categorizing her as a number.
They look deformed, thats the only reason why
I don't care about social connections at all really.
Women put waaaaaaaaay too damn much focus on "does he look like chad thunder cock [Yes] [No]" "Will I make a bunch of friends or gain a bunch of social rep by dating him [Yes] [No]"
Chad thundercock is a phrase used to describe a guy who is buff and is a 9/10 or 10/10 and who girls cream themselves over
>They look deformed, thats the only reason why
We've covered this, you're too tall to be normal. You're just as deformed. And even if they are, what if one of these girls is your soul mate? You're missing out on the opportunity to find out whether you click with this person because you're rejecting them because of their looks.
>Women put waaaaaaaaay too damn much focus on "does he look like chad thunder cock [Yes] [No]" "Will I make a bunch of friends or gain a bunch of social rep by dating him [Yes] [No]"
Even if this were true, crying about it isn't going to change anything.
Why give him the last name thundercock if not to refer to being well endowed? I'm genuinely curious.
I don't care if you're a 12/10 Olympian God, if you have a micropenis you are not going to keep a woman unless she's Tinkerbell.
I think you're seeing what you want to see. I'll be the first to admit I'm not a 10/10. When I was still fat I was a 5, now that I've dropped a lot of the weight I'm probably a 7 as long as she doesn't mind someone who looks a little scary. Not much has changed in the way women approach me, though. I can talk, I'm funny, I'm entertaining, I'm interesting, thats enough.
If you're having this much trouble it might not be your lack of Chad Thundercockosity so much as you being unpleasant. I mean, you can keep bitching about women if that makes you feel better, but its not going to get your dick wet.
I'm not deformed, I get compliments on it all the time.
I don't know I didn't make the phrase its just in my dictionary of things to call other things.
Ironically enough my dick is the same as my height just substitute the ' for a .
I don't know what to do, sometimes I think I'm just incompatable with the culture of the US and need to move.
If even after loosing weight and getting muscular I still can't do it, that's when I know its time to go.
>they never initiate
With you. Because you're not worth it.
> finding someone you click with as a person
Is based on the shit you provide. If she has good looks, it's also because she provides good genetics, discipline to take care of her body, effort in understanding fashion and make up, yidda yadda. Just as a super simple example.
>not knowing how to use your fingers and tongue
Though microdicks look pretty bad indeed.
>If even after loosing weight and getting muscular I still can't do it, that's when I know its time to go.
Do you actually think that losing weight is all that you need to do? You seem to have a shit attitude - a victim complex and you blame women for your lack of success with them. You're also delusional about how attractive you are. No matter where you are, you're not going to be any more attractive, even if you lose weight, if you don't work on your personality.
I have a shit attitude because I feel like I live in a culture that is sick, and warped, and allows all kinds of bullshit to go on without anything stopping it, and I know for a fact it was not always this way, but by the time I was born it was.
I am tired of being told by you guys that I am not worth anything and don't deserve to have anything, and I am tired of being passively/indirectly told that by women in general.
I do not know how to solve the problem, and if I cannot find a way then eventually I will leave.
I don't know how to break it down anymore.
You keep failing to hear what people are saying. If you think a change of scenery will help, go for it, but I suspect it'll be the same story unless you have the cash to buy a wife.
>theoretical physics are sick and warped because I don't understand them
>told by you guys that I am not worth anything and don't deserve to have anything
Comes from the guy who doesn't want to date ugly chicks.
Would only be effective if you change on the inside. As nice entitlement feels, shit won't get you anywhere.
Where you'll be an outsider because even among Western countries, there are differences in culture and you'll never feel like you belong. No matter how unfair you think you're being treated or how shit the culture where you live is, it's still your culture.
Same song, different verse.
>South America, Asia
Hope you've got the money to compete.
You're gonna have a bad time.
Where do you think you're going to go where it will magically be different and a girl will give you a chance based on the mere presence of a Y chromosome attached to someone who isn't Quasimodo?
>Same song, different verse.
Not OP, but that's not completely true. Cultures will vary, but yes, the aspects that OP hates will still be present.
Also with the others, he'll be homesick and never really fit in anyway. That's something you forgot to mention.
I understand a lot of things but just because I know how they work doesn't mean I like them or think they are right, I am trying to learn how to trick US women into liking me because I know that there is no way they would ever like me naturally, and why wouldn't they? Fuck if I know.
I already said I feel like other countries are superior to the US in the culture department.
I would have to do a bunch of research and pick an exact country and go there, but I think any country in Europe, or Australia, would be easier than here.
So how about instead of ridiculing me you people actually tell me just what it is I'm lacking and how to fix it, and don't just tell me to "figure it out" spell it out.
And anything about height will be ignored.
>I already said I feel like other countries are superior to the US in the culture department.
That's nice, but what you think doesn't mean that they are. And there's no guarantee that they'll accept you, making it harder for you to find a girlfriend. You'll just feel more isolated.
That's assuming that your attitude does actually change. If that doesn't, then nothing you do is going to help you.
>but I think any country in Europe, or Australia, would be easier than here.
You'd be wrong in many cases. A case might be made for Eastern Europe, provided you're stable enough to be a provider, but thats about it.
>stop blaming women for your failures
>stop making excuses about everything
>accept that you're not as attractive as you think you are
>stop being a fucking hypocrite in saying that women are evil whores because they don't give you a chance to prove yourself because you're not 10/10, when you won't date any girl who shows interest in you just because you deem her to be below you
>lower your fucking standards
I can't tell you how to fix it, because I don't have, and never have had, these problems.
5/10 isn't bad, it's average. 5.5 is the median of the numbers 1-10, so you're probably rating yourself wrong.
Please don't become bulimic over this thread op, it isn't your weight, it is probs your haircut. It looks a tad douchey.
> I am trying to learn how to trick US women into liking me
This doesn't work unless you're massively smarter. Besides, that's not how relationshits work. If you want just to get laid, trick a whore by paying her.
>because I know that there is no way they would ever like me naturally
Well, adjust the aspects that makes you unlikeable then?
>why wouldn't they? Fuck if I know.
So much for understanding.
>just what it is I'm lacking
A likable personality and attitude.
>and how to fix it
Socializing, reading, having a fulfilling life and interesting hobbies. Be the person people want to be around, somebody who improves lives around him.
Also what >>16829544 said.
Ok. From your posts here you appear to be entitled, self centered, defensive, insecure, and arrogant. You externalize blame. Your communication and listening skills are poor. You present yourself as a victim.
None of these are attractive traits. None of them suggest masculinity or fun.
Stop feeling entitled - if you expect girls to come to you without trying, then it's already a lost cause.
Acknowledge the fact that while looks do matter, it'll be your personality that would be the determining factor on whether you get and keep a girl or not.
Also, stop blaming the culture - you hate how the dating culture in your country is based on superficial things and yet the way you speak and rate yourself is mirroring that culture, making you sound completely hypocritical.
Work on your personality (maybe girls find you dull or not interesting so they just move on).
And if looks are all that matter to you, start improving on yours (lose weight etc). You have to have something to offer them (going back again to my point about not being entitled).
Lastly, accept the fact that some attractiveness is subjective, and even though there are beauty standards it's still dependent on each individual. Sure you claim to be 7/10, but some might see you either higher or lower than that.
I can accept partial blame for the failures but that's it.
I don't remember making excuses for anything, I always spelled out why I actually thought something was the way it was, excuses = lying, I never lied.
I still say I look better than average, even if its not by a lot.
The only thing I'm asking for is that the girl doesn't have a deformed face and isn't a land whale.
Again I feel I'm better than average, even if its not by much.
And I would never go bulimic, but I'm thinking of doing a PSMF regime alongside muscle training.
You underestimate how smart I am, smart is the ability to learn, now how much you already know. It's just that up until 6 months ago I never made any effort at all.
>Socializing, reading, having a fulfilling life
Working on it, actually making progress, but I still have more to go
What's interesting to me is nerdy to others, so I guess I have to lie about what I like and pretend to like what I don't.
>Be the person people want to be around, somebody who improves lives around him.
That all depends on how others define all that.
>communication and listening skills are poor
I need to improve them.
>You present yourself as a victim.
Because I have not been given a good quality of life and unless your completely indifferent to human suffering you should feel bad about that on at least some level.
I never said I wanted to just walk into a place and have girls crowding around me, but I do think that women should be bolder and not just expect the reverse.
Looks are totally not all that matters, but I'd never date honeybooboo under any circumstances.
Here's an older pic of me, see if any of you think I get a different score than what you already thought.
Alright so I should have said honeybooboo's mom.
>Because I have not been given a good quality of life and unless your completely indifferent to human suffering you should feel bad about that on at least some level.
Wrong. Unless you're born into some kind of great privilege, nobody is given a good quality of life. You have to work to make that quality. You have to sweat, and cry, and bleed, and learn from you mistakes so that you can adapt to a world that doesn't give a shit about you.
Thats the unfortunate reality that you keep avoiding. You want the world to be fair, you feel like you deserve things. Well, to be blunt, your feelings don't matter. You have two choices: you can wallow and be alone or you can bust your ass.
If I say anymore about all that it's going to get into ideological territory and that's not what this thread is about.
I know, I think its like 70% looks 30% how you interact with people, I need to get the looks down and work on the rest.
if you dont have the looks, girls will never even give you a chance. within a few seconds a girl will decide if she wants to talk to you or not. ugly? well fuck you.
if you dont have looks, your great personality doesnt even matter.
Well then that's even more incentive to up my looks even beyond what they are now.
How does this sound?
>I can accept partial blame for the failures but that's it.
No just no and no again. The other person is never at blame for not wanting to suck your dick.
>You underestimate how smart I am
Given some posts, you make it easy for me.
>smart is the ability to learn, now how much you already know
I'd say it's both. Also wasting 6 months is ... not very smart.
>Working on it, actually making progress
All good then.
>What's interesting to me is nerdy to others
It doesn't matter. People tend to respect most hobbies, unless you're super obsessed by them. Just make sure these are actual hobbies and not "listening to music and playing vidya" and you're fine. A range of different ones is helpful too, specially if they are somehow social.
>I have to lie about what I like and pretend to like what I don't
This works in superficial interactions, say at work. Being fake in any other scenario won't work for too long.
>That all depends on how others define all that.
Yes and no. Intelligence, humor, ability to motivate others and make them feel good and a bit of spontaneity are universally appreciates, just like being a negative, whinny, entitled fag is usually not, unless you're in the company of others.
>Because I have not been given a good quality of life
You have not? You have access to Internet and a place to stay, you aren't born retarded, you live in a first world country with tons of opportunities, you got an education, enough food to get fat and enough free time to post here. Your life is better than billions of people could ever dream off.
You don't have a bitch to suck your dick? Well, tough luck. I don't have a private plane yet either. Let's cry together and hope the shit we one appears one day!
I dont want to be a downer but I have perspective based on being a former fatass.
you have no idea how different the world treats you when you are in good shape. im EXACTLY the same as I was, just more motivated with regard to fitness. see, looks are what get you a date...or job interview in terms of dating. without looks, you will never get the chance to show how great you are as a person, cause noone cares if you are ugly and a great person.
I would know, thats how I used to be. and now? well, people love me cause I look better.
>If I say anymore about all that it's going to get into ideological territory and that's not what this thread is about.
Feel however you want, but complaining about it isn't going to make anyone want to be around you. You want me to feel bad about your quality of life? What does that do for either of us?
Look, I've said I'm not the most attractive guy in the room. When you put me next to 20 year olds, I'm even less attractive, but I've talked girls ten years younger than me who considered themselves straight into coming home with me and my wife right out from under Chad Thundercock. Hell, I did that when I was still fat.
Chad's got nice abs, but she's in majoring in psychology and I'm a psychologist. Oh, and she's at a local music show and even though nobody will remember my band in the morning, I was still the frontman for an hour. And I work with kids! Chad could whip 12 inches out on the bar and she wouldn't notice because she's having a conversation about things we have in common and now she's so invested that she's checking her hair in the mirror behind me like she's 15 again.
I don't have some great gift, I just stopped caring what other people thought about me and I listen to women when they talk. That combination opens doors.
>The other person is never at blame for not wanting to suck your dick.
>Also wasting 6 months is ... not very smart.
If you think I'm bad now you should have seen me 6 months ago
>You don't have a bitch to suck your dick?
I know, I know, looks are everything, I will have it down soon.
>every uuuuuuh represents me not wanting to go deeper
>I know, I know, looks are everything, I will have it down soon.
Keep in mind, they're just a foot in the door. Being hot might get you that extra 30 seconds to make your pitch, but thats all it is. You need something else to keep it going. For some guys its cash, for some its humor, for some its an interesting life, but if you're going to get by on looks alone you better have more going on than just having gotten fit.
I know you've been on your heels for a lot of this thread, but I hope you hear me when I say this: that sounds like your standards. You're single, you're bored, you have nothing to do, all you want is a girl that doesn't make you feel desperate. Thats not what most women are looking for.
>111 / 11 / 22 / ?
Probably wasting my time, but what you need to do is actually provide something to get invested in. Jacking off and playing video games doesn't make you attractive. Having lots of money, a nice body and knowing how to have fun does.
The power to attain a stunning attractive 9/10 or a frumpy 4/10 female version of you is in your hands, so figure it out. Also ignore the retarded cunts who think "giving people a number" is somehow bad, as if we don't do it naturally.
Have you read most of this thread? They're looking for someone who is fun to be with. Lets say theres five factors: looks, money, interesting life, humor, and common interests. Any one of those might get your foot in the door, but for it to be good enough alone you'll have to be a pretty big deal in that domain (Chad Thundercock, $300k/year, hang gliding relief supplies to children in Syria, funniest guy in the room, totally into all the same shit she is). So, you're probably not a huge deal in any of those domains, most people aren't. Most people also end up in relationships. Your strategy is to ping a few of those domains instead of just one.
Like for real, what do they want?
"We're both single, we're both bored, we both don't have a problem with what we see and actually kind of like what we see, lets just go get food or go to a park or a museum or whatever, if we don't you'll just go and watch TV and I'll just go play video games, so why not? And if we really end up hating each other that much we can always just not do it again."
Like what the fuck?
And no I've never actually had that conversation.
Getting laid is easy for women. That means they can be more picky when it comes to relationships. If she's normal, has a good circle of friends, isn't especially thirsty, she's not going to go on a date just to go on a date. She has her own life going. You have to be someone who might fit into that life.
Maybe down the line I can near that in the looks department, maybe I can get plastic surgery eventually on top of weight loss and muscle gain.
>300K a year
100% Impossible for the next decade, even after that extremely unlikely
>hang gliding relief supplies
So some totally out there unique/interesting thing
>Funniest guy in the room
I'm pretty damn funny but I don't think the majority of teenage and early 20s college girls would find my sense of humor funny, either because they aren't worldly enough to understand it, or it offends them, or both
>into all the same shit as she is
The most natural way to make friends and girl friends in existence, but I don't know of anything that I have in common with a 2016, 19 year old university student who's entire life is dominated by smart phones, reality tv, social media, and spamming pound symbols.
Are you starting to understand the problem here?
It's not for lack of trying or willingness to try, it's just I don't know what the hell to do.
It's like a soldier with an objective but no idea how to accomplish it. He'll go through hell and back to do it, but if he doesn't even know where hell is what can he do?
So what exactly is she doing that is so important on a thursday night that she can't do on literally every single other night of the week?
>So what exactly is she doing that is so important on a thursday night that she can't do on literally every single other night of the week?
getting her ass pounded by an actual man
Also about that college student's life thing, I should add on that its for college girls, guys usually have more shit going on and definitely dont care about reality tv
So that means she isn't single so it's impossible to get her attention anyways.
You're still not listening. You don't have to be 10/10 in every area. You don't have to be 10/10 in any area. All you have to do is be mildly desirable in a couple.
The problem, though, is that you're entitled and sound like kind of a prick. You're making assumptions about every woman on Earth, you're disgusted by their perceived cultures, yet you're also disgusted by fat girls or girls who are ugly. You take it personally that someone wouldn't want to spend a Thursday night with you because "what exactly is she doing that is so important?" Why don't you have something better than pining after pussy?
I'm starting to seriously wonder if you're either half a retard or if you'd rather bitch and moan about the problem than overcome it.
I chuckled over the delusion. Just because you don't know about the shit they do, doesn't mean you should assume shit based on silly cliches.
>either because they aren't worldly enough to understand it, or it offends them, or both
Or maybe because it's not good? You're doing this the entire thread, pushing the blame for your ineptitude on others.
I'm going through this problem as well. I've had girls find me sexually attractive, I have ok qualities physically, I have a really good jawline and blue eyes. I dated a 7 (maybe 8)/10 for 3 years. She dumped me for someone fatter and imo less attractive than me. I also hooked up with a solid 7/10 girl back in high school if that means anything. Again we stopped to get back with her ugly boyfriend.
After a few months, started getting frustrated not getting any attention from women, so I looked up a lot of rsd stuff and game on how to be more alpha. I did a lot of quirks in my personality, I do consider myself to be much more confident, funny and outgoing. I am lifting again as well and changing my posture.
But it's been 5 months since my breakup and I still haven't even kissed a girl. Are girls so receptive that they can see the deepest of inner insecurities? I've been told by friends that I hold myself pretty well, but still no luck.
So I'm confused here. What's wrong with me? Normally I'm comfortable being single and by myself, I've been through a year of therapy to fix this. There are few nights where I get down about it (like tonight), and end up just getting pissed off and begin to get this irrational fear that I won't ever have a chance getting with a girl again. I'm not sure how to get out of this, my emotions just fluctuate from every 3-4 days to the next
I just recognize that I will never, for as long as I live, naturally fit into US culture so long as it stays the way it is now indefinitely.
So, I have to put on some kind of facade, into to be able to make it. Otherwise I'm fucked.
I am disgusted by massively fat ones and ugly ones, because they do not even hit the 5 mark, and if girls are allowed to not date below their mark then why can't I?
If I should be totally cool with a 3/10 Then an 8/10 should be cool with me.
>Why don't you have something better than pining after pussy?
For one thing, I actually would like a legit girlfriend, and secondly pining after pussy is a very legitimate thing to do, watching the real housewives and posting "#drama XD" is not.
So your saying the girl doesn't want an actual relationship? Because if she does then again, why not go out with me?
Unless that guy she is having sex with is her boyfriend, but you just said he isn't.
So why don't you explain what they are doing.
You've gotten suggestion after suggestion and explanation after explanation. You externalize blame. You're entitled as fuck. You're not very pleasant to talk to. You judge the shit out of other people for things that anyone with a little experience know isn't quite true.
You're the kind of guy girls call a creep. You're the kind of guy that single women I know ask me to run interference against when we're out at a bar. Change your life or don't, but you sound really unhappy.
I don't know how anyone just naturally wanders from girlfriend to girlfriend with no effort.
For me even managing to get one is like rocket science.
I've already got the hiding the "creep" factor down 100%, now its just getting the body and going into "they have no problem with me but on top of that they actually like me" territory.
Again, I don't let ANY of this slip IRL, I could be sitting right next to you and you wouldn't even know I'm the same person, whether your a guy or a girl.
>What's wrong with me?
>started getting frustrated not getting any attention from women
>so I looked up a lot of rsd stuff and game on how to be more alpha
This, besides you don't sound too emotionally stable ... on the other hand, 5 months isn't that much, it depends on tons of factors.
>Then an 8/10 should be cool with me.
Some might be, but she'll abort due your personality soon enough.
>secondly pining after pussy is a very legitimate thing to do, watching the real housewives and posting "#drama XD" is not.
There is no "they". Women aren't a homogeneous group. While it's likely that some do what you said, assuming that they all do it and that it's all that they do is beyond ignorant.
>Again, I don't let ANY of this slip IRL
Ugh, another example where you overestimate yourself and underestimate others. Creepy. bitter people are usually pretty easy to tell apart, even if it happens subconsciously.
You know having never gotten laid before tends to make you view pining after pussy as being the most legitimate thing in the world.
Gotta get /fit/
I don't hunch over when I talk, I dress nice, I look pretty good, I give and take in the conversation, and they actually smile and laugh, and not where I can tell its fake, but they actually are doing it.
I'm not some guy wearing a pokemon shirt hunched over, not blinking, and asking all kinds of weird questions while licking my lips, ok?
Oh and still none of you have said what exactly are they doing on a Thursday night that's so damn important that they can't go out with me, other than that one anon who was just being a smart ass.
>I'm not some guy wearing a pokemon shirt hunched over, not blinking, and asking all kinds of weird questions while licking my lips, ok?
As you get older there are fewer and fewer of those guys in Pokemon shirts and they're less creepy and more sad. You'd be amazed what someone in their 20s or 30s can see if they're looking.
my way for coping was lifting
now im much more confident and people treat me nicer, but I still feel like I need to improve more. part of the problem is when you are ignored you arent very social, and if you arent social then stuff like dating can be difficult if not impossible.
but im getting better, one day at a time. I have the body, now I just need to make social gains.
> tends to make you view
Well then start thinking and realize that "tends" =/= "should"
>I'm not some guy wearing a pokemon shirt hunched over, not blinking, and asking all kinds of weird questions while licking my lips, ok?
Well, you're not a super creepy autist who scares people, that's a start. As for the rest, not enough information to tell.
Yes and no. Besides, being bitter is also a good way to stay lonely.
Apparently they have over 9000 other things to do that sound more fun than spending the night with you. The only logical action would be, becoming better than all the alternatives, which isn't that hard given how most guys manage it.
we'll all make it one day
if I have any regrets it's not getting fit sooner. but im going to make the most of this now, and catch up on all the stuff I missed out on cause I was the fat kid noone really cared about.
but now im in better shape than most people, and im not gonna stop improving.
>Well then start thinking and realize that "tends" =/= "should"
You have no idea how much it eats away at me every single day of my life.
>which isn't that hard given how most guys manage it.
Man I need some kind of book on this shit, an exact step by step guide that spells it out, rather than just assuming that you have a booming social life and instantly can talk to girls well.
You know I wasn't even in public school for the last 3 years of it, I did everything through blackboard and spent all day, everyday, in my room, on my computer. Before that everyone was indifferent at best and hateful at worst anyways.
I've only been in college since August 2015, I was there for 6 weeks before I had to withdraw from everything over some bullshit, and now I've been back since January 15th.
I have like 30 friends on my brand new 1 week old facebook account, like 4 people I semi-regularly hang out with IRL, and a few more who seem to be open to it but my car has been fucked and been getting repaired and as soon as its done I will chill with them.
So you need to understand that I've kind of gotten the short end of the stick in the big scheme of things and I have a fuckton of catching up to do, so I'd appreciate it if you'd stop treating me like a weirdo or that I'm a bad person or something.
>if I have any regrets it's not getting fit sooner.
I also regret doing everything online
>catch up on all the stuff I missed out on cause I was the fat kid noone really cared about.
Still looking for a script? Make a couple of assumptions, overstep a couple of boundaries, miss a couple of subtle cues or ignore an unsubtle one, show anger at rejection. There are other things harder to put into words, but I have trouble imagining you can hide your entitlement, arrogance, and odd assumptions as well as you think.
The only assumptions I ever make are to try to keep a conversation going like this
"So you look like a sophmore"
Because that will get them to either say no and say what they are, which leads to more conversational routes
Or they will say yes and ask how you knew which will pique their interest.
I don't think I ever overstep any boundaries.
I need some examples of these cues.
I've never shown anger at rejection and infact everytime I got rejected I kept a smile on my face and acted like it didn't even phase me.
You don't wanna know what I actually felt like.
>gif extremely related, but without the head nodding
>You have no idea how much it eats away at me every single day of my life.
Because you clearly don't have anything else important going on ... which doesn't help your attraction.
>Man I need some kind of book on this shit, an exact step by step guide that spells it out
As you probably know, it doesn't exist. Nor is necessary. Shit is trial and error. Hooking up with the ugly girls would be a good idea actually, although morally questionable.
>have a fuckton of catching up to do
Pretty sure most of the thread agrees here and gave you some pointers, like attitude. I wouldn't say you're a weirdo or a bad person, just got a problematic mix of entitlement, excuses and arrogance which takes time to overcome. Given the usual "no gf :(" types ... you seem far from hopeless, so there is that.
No you don't understand, it is going on, constantly, it's my life.
"An ultimate goal is the goal one will seek to fulfill above all other goals. It is the foundational goal used to formulate every other goal one adopts. One’s ultimate goal is that which, when all is said and done, an individual sought to accomplish with his life. It is the goal to which one devotes all of his time, energy and material possessions in an attempt to achieve it. It is the goal that will structure one’s personality, decision making process, philosophy and physical activities. Every decision one makes will be made in the furtherance of his ultimate goal in life."
Also what do you mean by
>Given the usual "no gf :(" types ...
What are they like.
>inb4 holy shit your insane
Again, I don't let anyone know any of this IRL.
>it is going on, constantly, it's my life.
Well, this is a proooooblem. Put yourself in the position of the other person. "Oh, this guys wants a family and an own business. This guy wants to change the world and stop world hunger. This guy wants to buy a dog and live in the woods. And then there is this guy who centered his life about sticking his wiener in a 7/10 pussy."
Hell, the quote you posted is a great example, why it's a horrible goal, that negatively affects you.
>What are they like.
More creepy and more deluded, also more disconnected from society. Going to college and having some people that willingly meet up with you from time for time puts you on another level.
>I don't let anyone know any of this IRL.
Bits of the shit always peek through unless you are a masterful liar and a psychopath. (If you were, you'd swim in pussy already)
Everyone else at this point in their lives already has sex incorporated into it as a fundamental thing, and never has to worry about it anymore. Its always there.
But not me.
See, the classical fundamentals are: Oxygen, Food, and water
I think bareback sex should be added to that list
Because even though not having it wont kill you, it will sometimes make you wish it would
>having some people that willingly meet up with you from time for time
Its not even from time to time, its multiple times a week, and them even offering out of nowhere for me to spend the night but me saying no because of X Y or Z, and them even offering for me to live with them next semester.
But I don't care that much. I'm still 3 months away from being a 19 year old virgin.
I'm a masterful liar, I just need to learn what exactly to lie about. As in: I can lie to a persons face and they wouldn't have any idea ASSUMING I actually know what to lie about.
So its not really so much an inability to do it, as it is not being quite refined yet.
Also I'm not a psychopath, they are incapable of feeling bad for people, I'm not.
>inb4 how can you be a masterful liar but not a psychopath
Lying doesn't make me feel good, infact depending on the person I kinda feel a bit bad about it, but it's whats necessary, ultimate goal and all
You have a lot of growing up to do.
There's been some really good things that have been told to you here, but you're a long way from internalizing the concepts. It's going to take time.
Humble yourself, stop being so defensive, and actually listen to what is being told to you.
I view sex as being the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, the be all end all, the highest, the ultimate, the greatest thing existence.
I have that, and the ultimate goal definition, memorized down to each word.
I want it so bad that I have a hard time even putting into words.
I wanted to have it before rush week of last semester ended, then it was before September arrived, then before October, then before 2015 ended
This is how I felt with I watched that ball go down in times square and I was still a virgin when for years I felt like my first semester of college would be a giant orgy
You might think I'm just saying all of this and there's no way I'm serious but I am.
Think of all the guys who had this before they even hit their senior year of highschool.
And here I am.
Sometimes I wonder if this is going to be my life forever.
Sometimes I wonder if they will come up with biological immortality before they put me into the cryogenic preservation chamber (which has a small chance of failing).
Makes me wonder if I'll get to live this way endlessly.
You have a lot of growing up to do.
You're jealous, self-centered, entitled, and have your head so far up your own ass that all you see is a world of your own shit.
Look, I get it. I didn't lose my virginity until I was 21. I dated girl after girl who just really didn't want to have sex with me. It's easy to get focused on "sex omg" but if you actually listen to the advice given here:
You will improve from the entitled prick you are, and you may actually develop some kind of desirability.
Humble yourself, stop being so defensive, and actually listen to what is being told to you.
SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LISTEN.
>Everyone else at this point in their lives already has sex incorporated into it as a fundamental thing
You're fucking 19. Tons of people don't get laid at that age.
>I think bareback sex should be added to that list
Since you're not a scientist, "I think" is pretty worthless, although it should make you think, why nobody of relevance considers sex as essential as you do.
>not having it wont kill you, it will sometimes make you wish it would
If you focus your life around it for some reason. As you're unhappy now, it's a good indicator that it wasn't the best choice.
>I'm a masterful liar, I just need to learn what exactly to lie about.
Try lying about being a fun guy to spend time with and make the person think that they have a great time with you.
>Its not even from time to time, its multiple times a week, and them even offering out of nowhere for me to spend the night but me saying no because of X Y or Z, and them even offering for me to live with them next semester.
This is something you should build from but seems like it'd be quite a way till you realize that pussy isn't the answer to everything. Anyway, as I said, you seem far from hopeless and given time, I am sure you'll get it, but your current attitude and thinking needs quite a readjustment.
>You're fucking 19. Tons of people don't get laid at that age.
Yeah and tons more people do, so that doesn't make me feel any better.
>Since you're not a scientist, "I think" is pretty worthless, although it should make you think, why nobody of relevance considers sex as essential as you do.
Actually I'm majoring in physics so I'm a scientist in training, and although sex is not mandatory for metabolism, it is mandatory for mental health and a happy life.
>If you focus your life around it for some reason. As you're unhappy now, it's a good indicator that it wasn't the best choice.
I'm unhappy because I don't have it, your argument would only make sense if I already had it and still felt bad.
>Try lying about being a fun guy to spend time with and make the person think that they have a great time with you.
Working on it
>This is something you should build from but seems like it'd be quite a way till you realize that pussy isn't the answer to everything.
Oh but all the songs, movies, tv shows, and real life interactions that glorify it say otherwise.
Dude you care way to much about this shit. Thats your problem right there. You need to have more confidence and stop worrying about what number you think you are. It makes you seem weak and extremely insecure.
"superior in culture" fucking wow not knowing all western culture is Americanised these days you burger loving goon
Its actually the opposite
Women will fuck ugly dudes,haha shit ugliness can be beneficial because it shows you have more to offer than just a pretty face. I mean shit just look at Bukowski
But us men we're more driven by trynna fuck some lusty bbys because we havent been entitled to attractive people the moment we hit puberty unlike most women
Honey, no. You are a 5/10, if I had to put a number on it. Or just average, really. Just like the 75% of people that pass by in the street without a second look. Even if you lose the weight you will still be average, sorry. You just don't have the bone structure that makes a girl stop and go "wow" i.e above average (7-10/10). If you lose some more weight it may help a little but it looks like you don't take care of your skin very well either. Don't be ashamed to be average, almost everyone is in the same boat with you and have perfectly normal lives where they have sex and relationships. You just don't have the face to be fucking models and HB+10s, just put that dream to rest so you can concentrate on the actual life that is possible to you. A good first step would be to masturbate more or something, because the focus you have on sex is almost pathological. The next step would be to practice socializing with any and all girls. I don't care if she looks like Quasimodo, you seriously need the practice and at least if you aren't super attracted to her you might be able to actually learn some social skills.
Maybe eventually I'll get plastic surgery to look better
I already use fleshlights like all the time and it doesn't even really dent it, it just stops me from losing my mind
You mean it is pathological, its my everything, the french all it the reason d etre
Being a virgin at this point in your life, with 0 ability to just go and lose it if you want to, does that to you
>lack of sex is my biggest problem
>cant get sex
Cant wake up
What you want is not the same thing you need. Since you don't see it, therapy or education is the only way. Since you displayed your laziness quite a lot so far, it appears that education is not the viable choice to make you realize it ... hence, therapy it is.
not OP but rate me outta 10
It is wrong for me to be a virgin at this age
>b-b-b-ut anon other guys are to-
Shut up, loads of guys were getting blowjobs and getting to fuck their girlfriends before they even hit their senior year of highschool, let alone senior year itself, and definitely in college
When do I get it? When? WHEN?
I'm tired of living with out it, I want it now.
>ooooh but it doesnt matter
Oh yes it fucking does thats why people do it so damn much
Thats why songs like slow ride, save a horse ride a cowboy, and cherry pie exist and are so fucking popular
Thats why newly married people have an entire week dedicated to running off and fucking 24/7
Thats why religious think its so powerful that they try to scare people into not doing it through fear of eternal torture
For years it was "oh your too young"
Well now I'm not, so where is it?
And all I get are cricket sounds interspersed with muffled moaning from people who actually get to do it
And I get the feeling your a girl becuase you called me honey
So just what the hell would you know about this anyways? Girl can have sex whenever they want, and on top of that they don't even care about it
What do you know about what its like to be a guy who is a virgin and doesn't have the ability to lose it even though he wants to more than anything?
>It is wrong for me to be a virgin at this age
Is there a law against it? Are there no 19 year old virgin? It's only wrong because you made up your mind that it is.
> loads of guys were getting blowjobs and getting to fuck their girlfriends
So? Some guys start own companies, become famous athletes/artists or invent some shit at that age too. Try to copy them.
>When do I get it? When? WHEN?
When you find somebody who'd want to fuck you, obviously. With sex as your main goal ... it will be pretty hard.
>Oh yes it fucking does thats why people do it so damn much
Neither of your examples are about sex obsessed people, outside of religionfags, ironically. All the people who fuck whenever they want it, don't build their life around having sex. It's one of the end products of being attractive people with interesting lives.
>For years it was "oh your too young"
>Well now I'm not
Oh you still are and it goes far beyond the number.
>And I get the feeling your a girl becuase you called me honey
Three baseless assumptions right after each other, dang. There is no reason to think that the person and me are the same, tons of people told you the same shit already. There is no reason to assume that "honey" implies that it's a female, for all you know it could be a dude pretending to be female. Last but not least, the idea that any girl can fuck whenever she wants is bullshit.
but tell me how u really feel
I gotta go to sleep, I dont have time for this right now
The point is it is very easy for people who get laid all the time to disregard its significance because its so common and default to them that they dont appreciate it anymore
Its been denied of me my whole life, and I cannot see myself getting it "naturally" ever
Because "naturally" I have 0 social life, and spend all my time in my room
So any improvements I make are only as a result of my iron will, FORCING things to happen, none of it happens on its own.
I don't know how some people just flawlessly fit into US society by default and have sex just handed to them on a silver platter, but I'm not them and thus don't have what they have.
I've made massive improvements over what I used to be at, but I still have more to go.
If I can't make things work well enough (anything and everything that isn't getting laid doesn't count) then I will go to another college and try there
I already sent out an application to one and I'm about to apply to a bunch of others
>inb4 missed the deadline
No the deadline is March 1st for most of them and a few are even later
I will never, ever, give up my quest to get laid, I demand it as my birthright, I will always view it as such, and I will never stop pursuing it until its mine, and yes I know most people dislike this mindset but that's why I don't tell them I feel this way.
Instead I get lots of people telling me how nice I am, but I still have more to do.
If the thread is still up when I get back tomorrow I'll post more, if not, bye
>I've made massive improvements over what I used to be at, but I still have more to go.
Though you still won't get laid until you get over your entitlement, it's a massive roadblock on the way of improvement. You can either believe me or many people in this thread who said it ... or keep on living, thinking that somebody owns you pussy and not getting any until you realize that it's not what life is about.
Good night ~
You're not naturally adept at understanding and navigating through social situations.
Some people are naturally better singers than others. Others can do really well in the classroom. Others fit in easy socially.
You're measuring your value by the wrong thing. You're basically saying "WHAT AM I WORST AT? I'LL BASE MY LIFE GOALS AROUND DOING THE THING THAT I SUCK AT"
That's like if a tone-deaf person tried to become an acapella singer.
It's something that's ok to try and go for, but don't measure your worth by something you suck at. You should note that you can improve, and then find ways to get better! For example, getting a retail job really helps with talking to/making friends with strangers because it's all you do all day every day for the duration of the job.
Sex is not that great. It comes easily to people who have lots of charm- even if they aren't smart, strong, or kind.
But that isn't what makes a person a good person.
If you want to make friends or get laid, you NEED to put yourself out there. You can't win unless you try. You're going to suck at it for the first year or two but eventually you will get the hang of it. You just can't give in to failure. Your tenacity will be what determines whether or not you do well
>I will never, ever, give up my quest to get laid, I demand it as my birthright, I will always view it as such, and I will never stop pursuing it until its mine, and yes I know most people dislike this mindset but that's why I don't tell them I feel this way.
People never owe you sex. That's like a rapist mindset.
Do you really feel that way or did you just phrase it weird?
You cannot demand sex as a birthright.
You have no such birthright. If you died a virgin no one would bat an eye.
In older times sex was viewed as being owed to males once they got into a certain age range. now its not.
But just because people in this country don't view it that way doesn't mean it shouldn't still be that way.
>If you died a virgin no one would bat an eye.
You have no idea how angry that makes me
Its such bullshit that in this country the path to sex lies through social situations, for most of history in most of the world it was through other things, how smart you were, or how strong you were, or just being born into the right family or part of a town, but now it all comes down to this.
Back in ancient times when a boy hit 13 or 14 he was given a free hooker, and back then no condoms were even needed because all of these modern day STDs didn't exist and even when they first started popping up they were super few and far between
Probably because you carry yourself differently and are more self-confident. It's less how others treat you and more how you've come out of your shell thanks to a better lifestyle.
Looks play some part, but only in the first ten minutes.
Am I just fucked?
Is it impossible for someone like me to get laid outside of moving to another country or raping someone?
Does US society really value being "adept at understanding and navigating through social situations" this much?
Because fucking them =/= to talking to them, and in the past people didn't even care about "talking" they cared about other stuff like how tall you were or how smart you were or whatever
And I can talk to them just fine but apparently there's like another level of talking beyond what I know and apparently that's what's required to get them to want to have sex
All of this is such bullshit, I can talk to other guys just fine and without a hitch, but with girls its ooooh no, your not good enough
>inb4 your gay
>Because fucking them =/= to talking to them
Sorry to disappoint but talking is part of it. Many girls don't even come from vagina sex, so you need to create the right atmosphere, with touching and licking and all that but also with words.
>how smart you were
How are you going to show it to another if not by talking? Unless you wrote a book/have any other achievement that suggests that you are smart.
> what's required to get them to want to have sex
Charisma, which was the same in "the past". All the sex symbols back in the day were hardly any different for a reason.
You don't seem like a guy to have a fun time with ... because you aren't, since you don't care about that, only about your dick.
>I can talk to other guys just fine and without a hitch, but with girls its ooooh no, your not good enough
Because you are obsessed by girls, duh. How can you be easy going and fun around them if all you care about is to stick your dick in them.
I know how to make girls cum
>inb4 lolno your a virgin
Faggot you can do a lot of reading on the internet and study the shit out of it
They would be able to tell how smart I am if I didn't hide it because modern girls think being smart is "nerdy", they don't give a shit how much you know
No back then what was required was showing off "I'm the tallest guy around" or "I'm the smartest guy around" or other things like that
>all this talk about fuuuuuuuuuun
Oh fuuuuun, oh because sex in and of itself totally isn't fantastic on its own, oh no we gotta have fucking fun before I want to do it
>How can you be easy going and fun around them if all you care about is to stick your dick in them.
>All I want to do is stick my dick in them
>If I show that they hate me
>Trying to hide it
>They don't know I want to stick my dick in them but so far they don't think I'm very "fun"
So that means I have to pretend to be fun
How do I pretend to be fun?
Also I gotta go to school now, I'll post from my phone later on
As a woman, I find that idea absolutely terrifying.
I am a person. I have goals and dreams and I don't want to be forced to have sec with someone I don't love.
The idea that you would be willing to revert back to a time when men used their power to rape women or force them into sex is really scary.
Women used to be stoned to death if they had sex before marriage. Shall we bring that back, too? You can just have sex with the women and then have them stoned to death??
Listen to yourself talk.
Try to imagine the situation from the other point of view.
Imagine that a woman who you think is FAT, MEAN, and UGLY comes up to you and demands that you put your dick inside her smelly, unwashed period vagina.
To you, is that the same as if a hot 10/10 for chick asked you to take her virginity?
No, they're different, right? And if you could choose, you'd obviously pick the latter.
You fall towards the "ugly/awkward" side of the spectrum, so when women have more attractive men pursuing them, they will choose the other guy. This isn't even the US- it's a biological FUNDAMENTAL concept. Sexual selection occurs and is a part of nature.
I still can't believe that you're willing to undermine the personal freedom of another human to satisfy a sexual desire. Do you know what that does to a person?
Please don't say things like that about rape. Hire a hooker if you must but joking about raping some uninvolved girl is totally despicable. What if you had a daughter and some guy raped her to satisfy a sexual urge?? Or your mom or sister (if you have them)? Women are not on this earth for your sexual satisfaction.
>you can do a lot of reading on the internet and study the shit out of it
>you can learn how to fly a plane by reading manuals only
> modern girls think being smart is "nerdy"
Where do you get this idea? Smart was the compliment I heard from EVERY chick before we banged. It's probably top 5 from the attractive traits you can have.
>because sex in and of itself totally isn't fantastic on its own
If the person you fuck is. How would she know that you are? Sex with boring and awkward people is far from fantastic.
>How do I pretend to be fun?
Be easy going, spontaneous, witty. If she's laughing non stop, you're golden. Good luck doing it while your mind orbits your dick though.
>Try to imagine the situation from the other point of view.
Y-you mean there is another point of view? HOLY SHIT.
You don't pretend to have fun, you actually have fun.
Treat your girl friends with the same attitude as you treat your guy friends. Don't hit on them or touch them inappropriately. Don't just use them for their body.
A girlfriend is like having a best guy friend who you can sleep with whenever.
You've gotta be buddies with her, and if the two of you find eachother sexually appealing, then it works out!
There's no "pretending not to care about sex"
It's ok if you want sex- everyone wants sex. But you need to
1) be able to control that lust and control your actions (you do this already to some extent- you don't just start masterbating in public when you see a hot chick on the street)
2)understand the value that women have as individuals. We're not just sex meat puppets. We're just like you. We have insecurities, fears, dreams, memories- we just happen to have physical anatomy that allows us to have sex if socially, we are both consenting parties.
Right now it seems like you think women are here just for you and your penis. the fact that you would be ok with forcing young women to have sex with young men as a right of passage just reveals the amount of delusion you've created for yourself.
I'm on my phone right now and there's no way I'm gonna tap out the walls of text that I normally do to respond, but rather than giving half assed responses I'll respond when I get back to my PC, so hang around, and have a bump
>I'm no 9/10
>Why aren't I treated as 9/10?
>all women like the same traits
THESE POSTS ARE ALL THE SAME
>As a woman, I find that idea absolutely terrifying.
>I am a person. I have goals and dreams and I don't want to be forced to have sec with someone I don't love.
The majority of men live on No Sex Island.
The majority of women can get sex any time.
Now tell us men are the entitled ones for bemoaning their fate, while getting laid yourself. Fucking entitled privilieged people telling the physically destitute they're the entitled ones..
one spot? are we looking at the same picture? Acne on the forehead, cheeks, chin. Sore of some kind on the lips. Dont know what derma you've gone to but its pretty standard for them to treat things like that
I just posted this in another thread but it fits here
You're obviously aiming too high when you try to date... seriously, lower your standards and pick up some betty spaghetti girl instead of trying to get hot women, you're obviously too poor and too unattractive to get a woman who has any kind of value. My friend figured this out, now hes dating an obese asian girl who cooks, cleans up his apartment even though she doesn't live in it, and literally blows him on command. Yeah shes a bit thick skulled and doesn't think about life beyond playing her little space ninja game and a strange love of rabbits that is almost Lenny like, but apparently my friend loves her to death and is happy to lower his standards, and if he didn't he would have never met her. Guys like me get the girls you want, I have well off parents, literally get cars as gifts, and pretty much fuck women and leave em when I get bored, but while I'm fucking them, they get stuff, jewelry, free food, a chance to drive in a nice shiny car and the thought that theres a chance I might actually fall in love with them then they get to travel the easy path of life and marry into money... of course that'll never happen because my Brother got hitched and then blew his brains out.
Yeah you are entitled. Because you are whining and thinking the government should hand you a woman like they do your autismbux. All the while the rest of us guys are getting shit done and getting laid. That's what well adjusted people do.
>As a woman, I find that idea absolutely terrifying.
As a man, I find the odea absolutely wonderful and liberating
>I am a person. I have goals and dreams and I don't want to be forced to have sec with someone I don't love.
Your personhood is irrelevant, and your reluctance to have sex with someone your not in love with is stupid
And just to make you feel better, not all women would be absolutely required to have sex with men but there would be way more societal pressure and some women would be assigned the role specifically
>The idea that you would be willing to revert back to a time when men used their power to rape women or force them into sex is really scary.
Well yeah, see men have always been way bigger, stronger, faster, and mentally tougher than women, in a fight women would be crushed, can you imagine a war where one side is purely men and one side is purely women? The women break down and cry over gossip, how well do you think they will handle warfare?
They would be crushed.
Well, women were smart enough to know this and never bothered fighting, they recognized that men wanted something that was very simple and did not take anything from them in any way, and so they just "laid back and thought of England" as Queen Elizabeth once said.
And no we wouldn't stone women, that's an Islamic thing.
>Imagine that a woman who you think is FAT, MEAN, and UGLY comes up to you and demands that you put your dick inside her smelly, unwashed period vagina.
But I am not FAT, I am slightly chubby and with clothes you cant even see it, I am not MEAN, I just am hell bent on a particular thing, and I am not UGLY either, even the most blunt people ITT say I look average
I don't need some 10/10 girl to have sex with, I'd be happy with a 6/10 easy
So stop trying to equate me with some gargoyle girl like what you just talked about
>I still can't believe that you're willing to undermine the personal freedom of another human to satisfy a sexual desire.
Yep, because life without it is miserable, women have the key to massively improving our quality of life, its no skin off their back to provide it, and when push comes to shove there is nothing they can do to stop us from having it, assuming men stop acting like the thing they want.
>Do you know what that does to a person?
It doesn't do shit, its a mild inconvience, the only time a women has a mental breakdown over it is when she feels like she has been "robbed" somehow, and that's because she assigns a great deal of value to her pussy, and feels like it is hers to dish out to whoever she likes, like its a gift to bestow upon those she deems worthy and the rest of the guys can go to hell.
So it really takes her down a few notches when she loses control over it for 10 minutes.
I don't think women are just here for me and my dick, but I think women need to recognize just how crucial sex is to a happy life for men.
Sex is as important to us as positive socialization is to women, can you imagine how all the girls would feel if all guys just ignored them 24/7? Wouldn't even say a word?
It would destroy them mentally.
Well that's how we feel about sex.
No its more like 80% of the women go after 20% of the guys
I want to ask you something, and its not in an insulting way, I actually wanna know how you feel
Do you feel fulfilled in life getting all these girls constantly? Has it brought you peace? Or is it no more thrilling for you than eating a candy bar?
OP needs to remember that women rate most men below average.
You aren't a 7 or 8 for women hence you only get attention from 1's and 2's.
Plus Tinder and online dating is even more skewed than real life.
I dunno, probably around 5 or something, my opinion isn't really relevant since it's based on 2 censored face pics. Much more accurate estimation is the girls you have luck with + maybe 1 or 2
It's funny, because I've never had a big sex drive and never really cared about having sex when I was a virgin. I had sexual urges of course, but never felt desperate for sex. I was super quiet and awkward. And then I got my first relationship at 17, and had sex over and over for that 2 year relationship. And even now that I've had a taste of sex and I've been single for over a year, I still don't care about it. My point is, you're desperate. Like, obsessively desperate. And your desperation, without a doubt, is one of the things holding you back.
Stop looking for sex. Instead, focus on bettering yourself, and letting things naturally grow between you and a girl. Fact is, most girls (most, not all) are more attracted to guys they see as unobtainable, i.e. a guy that doesn't seem particularly interested in them. You've gotta play it cool and seem like you couldn't care less about whether they want you or not.
Your desperation is doing the opposite effect. And you can say that you hide it well, but somehow I doubt it based on everything you've said in this thread.
But that's just some advice from my limited experience. Take it or leave it.
Well actually today I met 3 new guys and all 3 want to be my friend and I met a guy I already kinda knew and he was saying I was "cool as shit" and inviting me to come hang out in his dorm some time.
Still a virgin.
The way you're phrasing this makes you sound like a complete faggot imo, but I don't know you in person and can't really say that I didn't sound the same way when I was developing my social skills, so I'm not really in a position to make judgements.
The easiest way to get girls is to meet them though social circles. Most of the girls that I've gotten over the years usually start off with them telling one of my friends or her friends that they think I'm cute or hot or some shit, and just went on from there. If you're trying too hard to get laid, then youre going to come off as a creepy as fuck person most of the time (unless you find a girl who is desperate).
I'd suggest you hit up a party with some friends one day, get fucked up, and lose your virginity while you're there. It doesn't fit your definition of the ideal circumstances of losing your virginity, but it'll probably work out better for you in the end if you lose that idealistic view of sex and your virginity.
Then don't listen to me. Keep thinking that getting laid is gonna make you some sort of divine being in your own world or whatever bullshit that you believe. I don't even fucking know you, but if the only thing that you got from what I said is that you think I called you a faggot (which I didn't) then you are either trolling, really dense, or fucking stupid.
>hurr durr id be happy with a 6 or 7
How many fucking people do you think share this opinion? You aren't special and your opinion isn't special, plenty of people would be more than happy with someone that is a 7 in their own eyes. I'd fuck a 7 in a heartbeat, and I know for a fact that every single person I know would agree with me unless they are aromantic or some shit.
>I'm a bit chubby
Unless you have a golden personality (which you don't) you need to lose some fucking weight, because most of my friends that have attractive girlfriends are usually fit and decent looking themselves (along with great personalities). The reason people think you're cool in person is because they don't expect that much from people that they don't really know.
A person that comes off as pretty chill gets the same kind of compliments from everybody. You aren't special and it sounds like you're letting this shit get to your head (which was what I meant when I side you sounded like a faggot).
Get over yourself.
>I bet you suck dicks in your spare time
The way he talk about sex sounds like it's based around his own complexes and like he thinks they're obligated to have sex with him because he's taken an interest in them, and not because he actually has any feelings for them or takes anything other than looks into consideration.
There is no logic behind my argument, and most of it is taken from personal experience and intuition. I'm not going to argue semantics or pseudoscience with you, because this doesn't fit the standards of a normal logical argument. Social mechanics are not based on logic.
Also you say "my posts" like I've been here posting here for a while. I've only posted here twice.
>The way he talk about sex sounds like it's based around his own complexes and like he thinks they're obligated to have sex with him because he's taken an interest in them, and not because he actually has any feelings for them or takes anything other than looks into consideration.
Oh, did I trigger you by wanting sex so bad?
Am I would people call a "fuck boy" and that upsets you?
>There is no logic behind my argument, and most of it is taken from personal experience and intuition. I'm not going to argue semantics or pseudoscience with you, because this doesn't fit the standards of a normal logical argument. Social mechanics are not based on logic.
Social mechanics are fucking stupid and most of them are a waste of time, so that's why I don't feel bad about being so machiavellian about them, I'm tired of being denied of what I want all because the masses are too fucking stupid to do anything useful let alone decide the rules of interaction between themselves, so I don't feel bad about being a wolf amongst sheep and exploiting them.
We should live in a class system anyways, a meritocracy, and I should be at or near the top.
>inb4 you look like a clown and act like a clown
Oh yeah sure that's why you guys get so triggered by me and the other girl was saying that I'm scary, because if I really was like that you guys would just laugh at me instead of trying to talk me out of this stuff.
I'm not pretending to be a social mastermind or a casanova yet, but I'm no chris chan either, and when I'm out in public I do pretty good and am only getting better with every week that goes by, I've only been really truly seriously trying since mid January and I've gone from 0 social interaction to all of this.
>inb4 oh lol well most people have so much more
Yeah and most people have all of this come naturally to them and deeply care about others, I don't have either one.
When I was younger I let my feelings of superiority shine through, I was better than most people and I knew it, and I didn't feel like I had to follow the same customs or rules as they did, I didn't know at the time that I lived in an "equal" society and I got ostracized for it, now that I'm older and smarter I know I have to hide it for the time being.
I'm going to get exactly what I want eventually, and the more I chase after it the better I will get at manipulation, and the higher I will move up the social ladder.
Everyone has to start learning something somewhere, for me I have to learn how to blend into a society that I'm too good for, it's working, soon I'll be at the top.
And I don't anyones shitty "advice" anymore, fuck all of you who keep trying to persuade me to abandon the path instead of ways to perfect it.
And lemme just get all of this out of the way
>inb4 crawling in my skin
>inb4 your going to fail
>inb4 your a joke and we arent really disgusted or intimidated at all
>inb4 you cant teach yourself social skills like any other skills
>inb4 your too fat and/or ugly to suceede you loser
Fat can be shedded through a good diet and exercise, and all of you have already admitted that I'm not ugly, just average
>inb4 one fag says I always thought you were ugly
Too bad faggot, your wrong and even your pals admit it
By losing weight and cleaning my face I will look even better, by letting my hair grow more and then shaving off the sides I will get an even more advanced "undercut" that all the dipshits like so much
I went from having little to no social life from birth until 2016 showed up, to a literal explosion of it, now that I've finally gotten my shit together.
I'm reading books on body language, and social ques, and how to talk to people, I'm taking this very seriously
Insult me all you want, but I know you know that your scared of me actually pulling this off
i wish the 60's and 70's were back. It was that sweet spot where anyone could get laid, no one really feared anyone else sexually speaking, and sex wasn't some evil boogeyman lurking around every corner.
People are so afraid these days, and that's why most guys who are awkward or socially inept can't get laid.. because people think that's a sign of being a rapist or something these days.
60-70 was the sweet spot because before that, women were kind of oppressed in gender roles, and looked down on, and now they aren't but they now are genuinely afraid of guys.
this this this this this this this this
Although I would argue that it even went into the 80s
Back in those times as long as you weren't chris chan -tier you were set
Fuck this gay society and most of the people in it
All of you even said it yourself, the best way to learn is to get out there and interact with people all the time.
Social skills are just like any other skill, but they're developed in a different way, obviously.
Also social manipulation in various forms is something that me and most people I know do to some degree, so again you aren't some special snowflake because you're finally overcoming whatever social ineptitude that you had before. Any guy that plays girls basically does the same shit that you are describing but doesn't try to make it sound as grandiose as you're describing.
If you were actually capable of what you are making yourself out to be, then you would be doing it and not openly bragging about it to strangers on fucking 4chan.
Narcissistic sociopaths (which is basically what your thought process illustrates) usually spend most of their time operating on the fringes of society unless they have some other means to achieve whatever goals they might have. Have fun trying to become a politician or CEO or whatever your melodramatic rambling implies that you are trying to be without any real skills or crucial connections retard.
I wonder what your family would think of the emotionally damaged autist that you've become.
>i don't care deeply about others
Probably because you don't have any close friends.
Other than the fact that you sound more educated, you don't sound that much different than this fucking kid
Try not to slice your arteries open with your edginess when you're done here.
>Social skills are just like any other skill, but they're developed in a different way, obviously.
For most people they are just born kind of knowing them and they work out the kinks in public school, I was born not knowing most of them and I'm having to teach myself all of it and interact a whole lot to learn it super fast.
I know that "players" socially manipulate, but my manipulation goes way beyond what they do, I manipulate guys and girls, even school officials and even my own family.
>If you were actually capable of what you are making yourself out to be, then you would be doing it and not openly bragging about it to strangers on fucking 4chan.
But see who says that just because I'm bragging that it disqualifies me? It feels good to let it all out and vent, and this is the only way I can with 0 consequences.
I don't want to be a CEO or a politician really, I just want to be socially secure and be viewed as being a "top" person.
>without any real skills or crucial connections
I've already explained how I am learning all of the social skills and more, and I already said how I'm majoring in fucking physics, and when it comes to connections, I know all about them. There's a saying "its not what you know, its who you know"
>I wonder what your family would think of the emotionally damaged autist that you've become.
I don't know, and I don't care that much
>Probably because you don't have any close friends.
I used to a long time ago, but even then they weren't *that* close
I drifted away from all of them at some point anyways
Im not watching that shitty low res blog video where the guy is actually wearing a fucking fedora and a shitty bright blue collared shirt, that is not how you fucking dress nor is it how you wear your fucking hair
I don't even need to watch it that to know that he will talk like a dipshit, you are never meant to talk like a saturday morning bad guy
>mfw I broke down and watched like 30 secs out of curiosity
>mfw he said far less superior
>faggot cant even get his terminology right
Also I don't not care about anyone, just most people
I only respect people I view as being above what most are, so maybe like 15-20% of the population
The rest can eat a dick
>you sound more educated
Oh you don't say?
sex isn't something that you need to live.
It's not like air or water.
You're the one assigning a crazy amount of value to something so stupid. That's like if I said that human happiness is 100% contingent upon access to Doritos. Only if I have Doritos can I be happy, so someone needs to be responsible for feeding me Doritos 24/7. I've never had a Dorito, but I am somehow convinced that it is the ultimate key to happiness.
Also you're crazy if you think that forcing a woman to have sex that she doesn't want is just a "mild inconvenience" for her. It's severely damaging physically and emotionally.
Why do you think rape is a crime??? Because it has serious consequences!!
Then it sounds like you know what you're doing, lol. The way you were talking earlier sounded really melodramatic and I misinterpreted what you meant.
If you're simply trying to become a successful, socially secure person then it seems like you're on the right track. It's not like landing a six figure job is hard if you do well academically, and you seem like a reasonably intelligent person.
Socializing is simply something that can be understood by understanding pretty simple concepts and social norms. Although I'm sure that you've realized by now that a lot of people who have naturally good social skills lack in other aspects as well (often academically, like in math or science which gives you an advantage), but that has a lot to do with a difference in mental processing and priorities.
You sound like a normal INTJ/INTP to me. Most of them value intelligence over other character qualities, which is probably why you don't care about most people. I can't say that I do either.
actually loled at the dorito thing
But seriously sex does not hurt a girl physically, her body actually lubricates itself even during rape
I don't care how it feels to them emotionally, any girl that goes around acting all high and mighty and shooting down guy after guy and laughing at him and insulting him all the while deserves it anyways
Well cool, your one of the 15-20% ones, see I'm not evil, I'm not insane, I'm just too damn smart for this shitty society and I don't have the tolerance for it and it makes people think I'm cold.
So that's why I have to hide it to get by.
You know a few weeks ago I was about to walk out of a bathroom where I was the only person in it besides one guy sitting on a toilet shitting, there was a light switch right now and I thought about turning it off and just walking out as he was in mid-shit and actually kind of laughed at the thought, but I didn't do it and I just walked away
See if I was as bad as people say I would have done it but I didn't, I had the ability to completely fuck him over with 0 consequence and I didn't do it
Now if there was some girl saying "do it and I'll have sex with you" then sorry buddy, but I don't do shit just for no reason
Listen- I have actually been raped and the body does not "lubricate itself"
I had to have surgery to fix my vagina and anus because he ripped them up so bad.
Aside from the physical degradation and injuries I sustained from trying to fight back, I also have reoccurring nightmares and panic attacks from what happened.
Perhaps you have a warped view of rape/women in your head? Many men tend to think that all women are dismissive cunts who use guys and then discard them.
Or maybe you think rape is like hentai?
Neither of those is an accurate reflection of reality.
Perhaps imagine it from another perspective: what if the majority of guys were gay? Would you be okay with another man raping you anally? Is that a "minor inconvenience" for you, or would that actually be traumatizing?
You may say "having sex with a gender you're not attracted to is different than having sex with a person that you're not attracted to"- you'd be right that physically of course it is a bit different, but emotionally it is Just as scarring.
Listen- I understand that you're extremely frustrated. Feeling unwanted and unloved is a terrible, terrible feeling- and I applaud you for working out and trying to improve your situation.
but your mindset is terrifying. Sex is not something that you can take from someone else unwillingly. You have this picture of sex in your head as like, the best thing in the whole world.
Sex with someone who you love and mesh with perfectly and they love you back and think you're the best IS great.
But forced sex where you're just using the other person's body to get off is comparable to the pleasure received from something like jerking off.
Honestly the biggest thing standing in your way from getting laid is this mindset that you are owed sex and that a woman should just bite the bullet and get you off for your own sake.
That's a very selfish view, and it's also very risky for you and for those who you develop a crush on
It's a coping mechanism for people who are inadequate and also have a huge ego.
They refuse to believe that they're below average so they delude themselves into thinking they're on the other side of the spectrum so that they don't kill themselves from depression.
idk I'm 6'5" and seem to have no issues. Girls seem too love tall guys here for some reason
>Anon so many girls want you, you're tall... broad shoulders....
Literally been told this my multiple women. The issue is probably cause he's fat and tall... terrible combo
I don't get fulfilled through relationships, I get fulfillment making money, doing things I enjoy like fishing, wake boarding, building something with my hands. Fulfillment through relationships is just something thats taught to you buy the whole system of marriage and religion, the truth is, it isn't fulfilling, it never will be, you just do these steps and get deeper and deeper wishing it was fulfilling until you've gone in too deep to pull out, you get comfortable, you get lazy, and you accept this sort of personal death. I get to do all sorts of things with my meager existence, I helped build a house for an underprivileged family, I have no one I really have to provide for so I can do whatever I want with my money, if I want to have a girlfriend and blow it on her to get laid, I'll do it, if I want to binge buy a bunch of food and drinks and throw a party, I'll do it, I am not shackled by someone who is essentially draining my time and money for pussy... and if I want companionship, I'll get a dog, seriously, its cheaper. My brother did the whole wife thing, and you could see it eat at him, and waste him away, just like it did our father, just like its doing to all of my friends, while they waste away I'm actually doing things. As for my friend who is with the obese girl, oddly enough, she doesn't seem to drag him into the mud at all like all my other friends are drug, but its such a strange thing to see someone who still is able to enjoy life and be in a serious relationship it does in fact stand out as strange to me.
That's not true.
You're bad at fostering close relationships with people, so you've convinced yourself that you don't need love and friendship.
Stop running from your problems op.
You need to actually face them and improve.
Stop being a massive edge lord faggot, you're obviously not a sociopath so get your head out of your ass
I don't know what he did to literally tear your vagina but that's not what I'm after, and trying to have anal sex without an enema is nasty anyways
Him hitting you on top of the rape is rape + assault, rape on its own doesn't necessitate hitting the person
>Perhaps you have a warped view of rape/women in your head?
I think a lot of women sit on a metaphorical pussy mountain and look down and pick out who does and doesn't get access to it and laugh at the remainder and degrade them
>physically of course it is a bit different
You mean a lot different, vaginal rape is waaaay different than anal rape, a vagina is biologically meant to take a penis, an anus is not
>and I applaud you for working out and trying to improve your situation
Oh really, because I could have sworn that for this whole thread all of you have been slinging insults at me
>but your mindset is terrifying
See I told you guys >>16836660
But I'm guessing you don't mean anywhere near the level I think of it as do you?
>with someone you don't care about its no better than fapping
No way, a hand and a vagina are two totally different things
>Honestly the biggest thing standing in your way from getting laid is this mindset that you are owed sex and that a woman should just bite the bullet and get you off for your own sake.
I have a very strong feeling that even if you are 100% confident that you are right about everything and I am wrong, and we were right next to each other, you wouldn't "bite the bullet" just once (since your so totally right) in order to immediately "fix" my entire "warped and twisted mind" and save any potential girls I might "abuse" down the line
>and it's also very risky for you
How is it risky for me?
So how do you view ENTJ's?
This guy >>16837082
Also since we are all anon here and I don't really give a shit I'm gonna throw it out there that I just got done using a fully warmed and lubed up stu fleshlight
Shit is so cash BUT it only takes the edge off
And the edge comes back within hours
And I bet that real bareback sex makes this feel like fapping with no lube in comparison
>him hitting you is rape+assault
Yes. But the rape was the bad part. It might be a hard concept for you to understand, but I would prefer getting the crap beat out of me than get raped.
Rape goes beyond a physical violation, it's an emotional violation as well.
>I think a lot of women
I'm sorry that you have had experiences that lead you to believe that women are so cruel. I've never treated a man with such a mean spirit. There have been times where I did not like men back who have had a crush on me, but I've always been very kind but firm when rejecting them.
>oh really? Because I swear this whole thread
I saw the picture you posted of your face- you're not unnattractive, and your weight/height isn't bad either. The only unnattractive thing about you is the mindset that you are owed sex, and that it will somehow make your life infinently better.
>anywhere near the level I
Well, I guess not. But I've experienced consensual loving sex, so I can compare it to other things. You have not yet experienced sex, so I'm not sure you have an accurate idea of what it feels like.
>you wouldn't bite the bullet
Well that's the point- I shouldn't have to. No girl should have to sleep with someone she doesn't want to. When a girl sleeps with you, it should be because she loves you.
And I would make that sacrifice in the same way that I'd "give my life to save other people's". I wouldn't want to do it and it would probably be very scary and painful, but I'd do it if It would spare several other people from suffering.
>how is it risky
How old are you? You can't be older than in your 20's. What happens when you're 40/50? If you're this deluded now, you'll probably ACTUALLY become a rapist in the future. You'd basically be trading your life and freedom for 5 minutes of mediocre sex.
If you would instead recognize that you need to go see a therapist and adjust your mindset/ learn how to socialize, I think you actually wouldn't have trouble finding a loving girlfriend.
I have the same thing going on as OP (only seem to get attention from 5's) and this thread made me realize that I probably over rate myself too. Can I get an objective appraisal from you guys?
I remember that the girls back in high school were almost sadistic towards me, absolutely brutal, they would brag about giving their boyfriends blowjobs and going on birth control pills right next to me, and would tell me that I was a loser virgin and "was never gonna get any"
One girl literally looked me dead in the eyes with a blank face and said that
"your never gonna get any"
Being unattractive isn't good enough and wont get me anywhere, either I'm already attractive or I have to become attractive
>Well, I guess not. But I've experienced consensual loving sex
I've always imagined that sex even at its peak for a woman, never reaches sex at its peak for a man, that women are just physiologically incapable of it, but I am curious to know how positively you view it and how you would rank it in comparison to other positive things you've experienced
No, no no no, no
Look rape isn't my thing, and neither is "scary and painful"
If its done properly it doesn't have to be either of those things, a women is physiologically capable of having sex with 0 pain or discomfort, even without being in love
But that's not really the point right now, I don't really know why I don't want to think about it more in depth but I just kinda don't
Anyways, I will turn 19 when May hits
I've been thinking recently that if a few more years of this went by I'd say "fuck everything" and drop out of society and go join the peace corps or something
I don't know why I felt the need to reassure you earlier
I'm OP and I think you look good (no homo)
Not bad, not "meh" but good
Maybe my rating scale is out of whack but thats how I view you
How do you view me?
Your full of shit gfto
Also how old are you? I get the feeling your in your late 20s or somewhere in your 30s
I don't get "college girl" vibes from you at all
6ish. Definitely better than OP but whack selfy skills and sub-optimal beard style. Let the sides grow out to distract from your nose.
Then again, you can be a 5 and pull hot girls, it's all about personality.
>One girl literally looked me dead in the eyes with a blank face and said that: "your never gonna get any"
She's right you know. At least with your mindstate right now, there is NO way you're going to get laid, sans getting somebody fucking drunk and similar rape-y stuff.
>Also college girls are shitty people
Then you should get along fantastically. How many college girls you know that are even half as entitled and obsessed as you are?
I'm so sorry that those girls were cruel to you. I've met girls that mean before, but only a handful. I'd say like 50% of the girls I know are genuinely kind and have self-respect. I really encourage you to seek women of quality and befriend them. Having a platonic friendship with a woman is one of the best ways to get tips on how to act towards women and they can also set you up with one of their friends who they think you'd do well with.
I think you can become more attractive physically by continuing to lose weight, but socially you can can become a lot more attractive by practicing talking to women in a friendly way.
Why do you believe this? Is there any science to back up your theory, or are you just basing it off of behavioral observation?
Sex is an amazing feeling, but it is very fleeting. Things like spending time with my family or with my SO are more enjoyable to me. Less passionate, but extremely comfortable. It's like comparing a kiss to cuddling.
I do appreciate you reassuring me.
What's your opinion on sleeping with an unattractive woman or a hooker?
Pussy is pussy, right? Wouldn't you be able to just close your eyes and think of someone hotter?
I honestly thought your appraisal of yourself was spot on (7/10), which is why I was confused when everybody came down on you saying no way too high. You have a good complexion, good symmetry, strong Nordic looking features. As far as I can tell you're an above average looking lad. People do have a point that we can't see your eyes and they could be a detractor tho
To me, pic related a perfect example of what I perceive to be a male 5. Going by /adv/'s scale he must be more like a 2 or 3, or my perception of male faces is fucked and I'm also a narcissist.
I'm actually 20 years old and a sophomore in college.
I'll take that as a compliment.
I'm actually in a lot of stereotypically "mean girl" activities- I'm a cheerleader and I am in a sorority too.
That's not super relevant but I guess what I'm trying to say is to not judge girls before you get to know them.
I'm also secretly and anime freak and I like wierd music and video games, so I have a lot of quiet introverted friends since it's hard to find people who like that stuff on my cheer squad and in my sorority. Pretty much all of my quiet friends said stuff like "when I first saw you I thought you were going to be a stuck up princess but you are like the opposite".
I always figured it was that way because apparently something like 70% of women can barely even feel anything vaginally and rely exclusively or nearly exclusively on clitoral stimulation which apparently most guys are shit at and even if they are good at it the reactions of women in general to it are a lot less than a guy simply having default sex.
Plus girls are proven to have a sex drive that is 17-18 times weaker than a man's sex drive because they have 17-18 times less testosterone which causes sex drive, and they don't have that "sweet relief" feeling on top of the act itself
Women just don't seem to care about anything sexual that much
I never said I was unwilling to have sex with an unattractive woman, I just said I was wondering why only they seemed to be into me was all
I don't have any problem with hookers, but I have little to no desire to have condomned sex because condoms are said to completely ruin it and take out nearly all sensation so its pointless
I don't wanna spend 100 dollars for nothing
>I'm a cheerleader and I am in a sorority too.
Woah what, how the hell can a 20 year old cheerleader and sorority girl not be a total cunt and actually seem to be pretty nice?
I thought that was impossible
>Having a platonic friendship with a woman is one of the best ways to get tips on how to act towards women and they can also set you up with one of their friends who they think you'd do well with.
I've been where OP is, and the only things that helped me out of involuntary celibacy
>getting away from negative influences (including female "friends" who encouraged me to "work on myself")
>Working with and talking to masculine men who own their own business
>Fucking numerous mediocre chicks, socializing with many more
>Realizing that human attraction is a pretty simple little set of levers and pulleys, and that 90% of what people describe as "compatibility" is bullshit
>Reading Red Pill shit, and Rollo Tommassi in particular--which is really just a pop psychology breakdown of human mating patterns, with a slant towards helping men live fulfilled lives in our society as it is right now
Women might not have the kind of "itch" men do for "A HOLE! ANY HOLE!" but they will respond with a passion to a man who trips their "alpha sensor" (so to speak). That might mean the felon with tats and a motorcycle, or it might mean the guy who leads bible study and organizes meals on wheels for the church... really depends on her upbringing and personality.
They will fuck and fuck until they are too sore to keep going.
Oh okay. That makes sense.
I'm not sure if you're right but I do understand where you're coming from.
Haha I'm not sure, but I'm not the only one!
I was really awkward and ugly in middle school (braces, no style, no makeup, greasy middle part hair), so I got rejected by the boys I had a crush on. so I guess I just know how it feels to have your feelings not be returned.
Now I'm a lot more attractive so I can fit in with the people who used to reject me.
huh, well I guess there are multiple ways to become more socialized.
I'm friends with some introverted boys and they ask me for tips and to set them up with my girl friends all the time.
I was just sharing an experience that's worked for people I know, but I'm sure it's not the only way
hey your not me (OP)
>tfw no qt 3.14 20 year old sophmore gf who has that "year older than you" thing going on plus she is into anime more obscure music and vidya
Why even get up in the morning?
Hey that works if it's true, and you're not just helping your ugly friends make lopsided matches with guys who don't know better. You're almost taking on the role of the old fashioned matchmaker.
Many women collect men like that to give them constant bumps of attention, and will actively sabotage their "orbiters" growth as men and as sexual creatures.
If that sounds crazy to you, congratulations, you're not a piece of shit.
Alright people look I seriously have to go to sleep now, this thread will stay running into tomorrow and even a single bump on a board that moves as slow as this will keep it going for like 5 hours
Everyone who wants to keep talking to me just keep this thread open in a tab or remember to come back to it on your phone or whatever
Gotta go to sleep now, bye
Oh and also to elaborate on why I'm so against condoms:
Have any of you seen that episode of american dad where steve spends the whole time doing all these different stunts to try to get some girl to let him feel her bare boob, and eventually he accidentally blows his thumb off and the paramedics re-attach it but it numbs his entire hand and when the girls says that "he's extreme enough to feel it" and he gets to he can't feel a thing?
(she storms off because he said he couldn't feel anything and she felt insulted, so he didnt get to use his other hand)
Anyways thats what I feel like using a condom would be like
>oh lol I can get laid with a hooker lolol I have plenty of money
>end up doing it
>cant feel shit
>the universe is laughing at me.jpg
THis hasn't happened but thats how I imagine it would go
You can one day, don't give up hope!
I don't know if this is helpful but here's something about how I look at boys:
As long as they meet my "standard" looks wise, the rest of my interpretation is based on their personality and their future.
You, op, are attractive enough to meet my standard for looks (from what I can see).
What really makes a difference is 1) your goals/your motivation. Are you as motivated to be successful as I am? 2) do we mesh well? Do we get along? Are you nice? Do you make me laugh? Do we like similar things but also have some unique interests too?
If a guy is exceptionally hot, then that's a plus, but it's not a requirement
well yeah but I wasn't gonna ask, she already agreed to hypothetically have sex with me even in spite of fear, so I wasn't gonna start demanding nudes or whatever
>tfw I cant spend all night posting here
>tfw I seriously have to go now Im sorry I will respond later
oh my christ she is so fucking pretty
I cant do this
cant wake up
wake me up
cant wake up
Im sorry but seriously I must got to sleep Im already gonna be tired as hell later
Check back to the thread later
Yeah I'm actually friends with these guys so I want them to be happy and find girls who will really appreciate them and vice versa.
A lot of them Arn't even unnattractive or anything they're just shy and don't really know how to meet or talk to people
wtf anon, you want to bang a hooker without a condom?
Trojan (and probably durex) make very thin condoms. Bareskin is the brand I'm using right now, and while it's definitely not as cash as going in raw, it still feels fucking great.
it's also literally the only birth control men have complete control over, and the only way you have of avoiding VD--which you can get from any woman you're not in long term exclusive relationship with.
Protip--if a hooker is willing to let you go raw, she's willing to do it with hundreds of other strangers.
Had to come back to post this
Whatever I non-ironically like it and if your cool with maximum "cant wake up" memery then you should be fine with the song that inspired it
Plus its pretty relevant to the thread
After all, I keep saying all of this is like a nightmare that I can't wake up from.
Op if it makes you feel any better I have that song on my iPhone lol
How about I try answering your question for you as if it it were me being asked, see if I can show you what we're talking about.
In addition to a rewarding career path (union ironworker) that I am passionate about, I have my own vehicle, rent my own place, and pay my own bills. I have a wide variety of interests and knowledge in a wide variety of topics, which allows me to hold a conversation and keep it engaging, when combined with social skills I have learned through trial and error. I know many people, even if I'm not close with many of them, and so get a lot of attention drawn to me when I am out and about, and have many contacts to get things I need done, done. I have a wicked sense of humor that can range from goofy to sarcastic to teasing to dark, and the discretion to know when to use what sort of joke. People think I'm smart- and I'm smarter than they think I am- and this lends itself to being able to play at being a jockish asshole for a while and then blow a person's mind with a tirade of intellect. Speaking of jockishness, I look like I go to the gym more than I do, and am built like a brick shithouse someone shat full of bricks. I have zero stage fright and love singing karaoke, and have a hell of a voice. I dress to fucking impress, and have developed the sort of style a friend from California told me would get me into any club in his home state- while wearing a (nice) T-shirt and pair of jeans. I walk and talk like I stepped out of a goddamned movie. I have hobbies and talents both introverted and extroverted, both indoor and outdoor, both intoxicants and family-friendly. I am willing to try new things and have fun getting out of my comfort zone. I am coherent in my beliefs from religion to politics to morals, and stand strong on my convictions.
My facial aesthetics are genuinely at least 7/10, as confirmed unsolicited by anyone from friends to goddamned new acquaintances who called me "beautiful." And my family is influential in the community and across my home state, if not necessarily very wealthy.
Unlike you, douchecanoe, I can tell you what I bring to the table without whining about other people wanting something from a partner more impressive than breathing and warmth in bed at night. Furthermore, unlike you, cunt rag, I can tell you why I don't roll around in pussy like a bear in a gut pile every night.
I used to have crippling insecurity and self-esteem issues, and retain some unconscious habits from that time in my life. I don't speak loudly or often, and coupled with resting prick face and a stocky physique, I can be intimidating if I don't actively attempt to compensate. I am relatively short, balding (though for this reason I keep my hair very short), and despite my muscle I am a bit chubby. I was a shut in in high school and missed out on the social development and connections during that time, and so the social collective memory excludes me, making it difficult for people to see me as something more than what I was; further, this same quality means I am distant when people reminisce on old times and am still playing catch up when it comes to socialization. Finally, a lot of the time I don't try because even if a girl is beautiful, for some reason I find I have no damned interest whatsoever in talking to her. Thus, when I am interested, I'm rusty and may come across as desperate. Also I beat my dick to pieces on the regular, and women can sense when you haven't had a woman for a while.
There, fuck face. I bared it all on an anonymous imageboard because unlike you, I'm capable of self-reflection. Try it sometime, shit wad.
this thread is bait right
OP has so many issues wrong with him, it'd multiple full text posts to deal with one
if 4chan has taught me one thing, never homeschool your kids
Also OP your tone and willingness to take advice hasn't changed this whole thread.
Just give up. Accept your virginity, you're never gonna lose it.
So basically your some rich guy who was born ino to wealth and an influential family which enables you to never work and dedicate all of your time to buildING up a persona that gets you laid whenever you want. Your living life on easy mode. You know nothing of the struggle
My tone has slightly changed towards the end, try reading. And no I will never give up, just because I missef out on social development in public school and prom sex and all that doesn't mean I'm doomed for life, I will succeed and I will be happy
Your an unrealistic type of person to strive to be, you have too much going on for you, you have too much money, too much influence, and it's bullshit for any girl to expect any guy she gets with to be similar to you. Its like a girl saying she will only get with major league sports players, it's way too high of a standard to meet
I'm dating a male chub with pleasing facial aesthetics and he's literally the love of my life.
I still found him physically attractive because I do like thicker men. I'm thinking I'm a 6/10, average-weighted/short female with mouse-ish facial features when I have no make up on or don't put in effort. But definitely reach the higher side on good days.
There are women who are totally into your type. You also need the confident personality to just keep trying. My boyfriend actually had a less confident approach to dating and his looks, and I did all the work in the beginning. I asked him out on a date first, and I started a lot of the conversations that led to our functioning, healthy and long term relationship. Why? Because I was so fucking into him and wanted him to be my husbando.
I know a good handful of women who get wet over the thought of a thick male. Maybe your aiming for the wrong subcategory of women? If she seems in anyway entitled or puts a shit ton of effort into her outer-appearance, it literally means she does that to get the attention of Chad Thundercock. Avoid at all costs.
I wasn't born into shit, I most certainly work, you can't read. You retarded faggot. Everything I and my family have we have clawed from the world with bloody fucking fingernails. I grew up the son of a single mother, who was living with another single mother working shit jobs to make ends meet. As she gained influence, I eschewed opportunities she might have given me and forged my own way into the ironworker's union (which will work any other faggot union or scab into the dirt). And I don't get laid whenever I want, as I noted in my second post, for reasons for which I am fully aware and struggling to improve myself and get over. Unlike yourself.
I have gained everything I have going for myself under my own power except the facial aesthetics and intelligence (which is a quality of their own many underutilize). I decided upon the person I wanted to be, and while I'm not there yet, I'm a lot closer than I was when I began, when I was staring down the barrel of being like OP. I refused his bitter, entitled, lazy, weak, underconfident ways, even though certain lesser angels of my nature cried out the same things he is saying, and made myself become a new man. He can do it too.
And no goddamned way am I on the level of a major league sports player.
I admit that it is statistically and anecdotally certain that women underrate the attractiveness of men and that men are expected to be more holistically attractive than women to attain relationships or hooking up. But you won't catch me crying about it. Life isn't fair, but at least you have the power to overcome your circumstances and build a better life.
Jesus Christ you're retarded and autistic
For most people doing literally anything they feel like doing is more important than spending time with some random dude they have no interest in
Not going to post nudes, that would be dangerous and I also don't want to objectify myself
It wasn't an offer so much as a reply to a hypothetical situation in which my sacrifice directly saved other people from getting raped.
But 1) op said he isn't the type to rape people anyway and 2) there's no way for me to actually know whether my action would prevent him from doing such a think in the future, or if he would do such things to begin with.
I think when he said he wasn't the rapey type he meant knife to the throat in a dark alley style, but I bet he is fine with total psychological manipulation and bits of coercion
I think if not for our lack of teleportation technology then you should do it anyways to snap him out of this madness, he implied that he would try to "prep" you thinking that foreplay would solve everything since he is so physically minded, he doesnt even think about the psychological issues but I guess you'd just have to stomach it
Also where are you from anyways?
Even so, there's no way for me to know the future- he doesn't seem totally unreasonable to me, his heart is just hurt from having awful experiences with women up until now. He is still young, though, and I am confident that he will be able to mature out of his malice.
After briefly talking to him he seems to have lightened up some.
I live in the United States.
OP here, I don't really know what else to respond to and the thread is past the bump limit and is dying fast
Should I make a continuation one or is it time for all of us to scatter to the wind?
Are you femanon?
Well, that femanon, theres a lot but you know
If not then whatever she will see this anyways
Do you any sugesstions on how to meet girls in a context that they will be more open to dating?
Because trying to talk to them in class, or in the commons area where all the food is, and in the library, none of them have ever worked for me
And I'm at a college in the middle of a city and it seems like theres nothing to do here except go to class, go to the commons, and go to the library
I dont know why its that way but it seems to be
Theres also nearly non existant greek life, and people from one dorm cant even go to another dorm without being signed in
Also there are cameras and cops fucking everywhere so they have cracked down hard on drugs and alchohol and have made everyone too scared to have parties that arent shit
Yes I am that Femanon.
Have you tried joining some clubs?
I am a part of several clubs on campus and I actually met my last boyfriend in ukulele club.
Identify some things that you're interested in, and sign up for the clubs related to them when there are club fairs.
Meeting girls in clubs is usually pretty easy because you both already have something in common, and you can ask questions about the activity without coming on too strong because it seems like genuine interest+passion for the activity.
My last BF approached me by complimenting my ukulele and asking me some questions about how long I'd been playing and which songs I knew and stuff. Then he suggested we play a song together, and it sounded so good that we almost instantly fell for eachother.
Say you like video games- join the video game club and challenge some chick to a match. Chat her up about what kinds of games she's into, and if you guys seem to be jelling well, as a time to meet up again and hang out (I.E.: hey, me and some buddies get together to play smash every Thursday. Wanna join in? We could always use another player) then you can ask for her phone number of five you her's and tell her to text you so that you can let her know when/where to meet up with the gang.
It's usually a good idea to try to hang out in groups with girls at first/if you're inviting them to something.
A lot of girls have a kind of knee-jerk reaction to shy away from direct advances. I know that even if I think a guy is cute, I try to create space between us if I feel that he's being too foreword.
Once you gain her friendship as someone who she trusts, she'll be more comfortable hanging out with you alone, and if she finds you physically attractive, she'll develop a crush on you.