They had to go through puberty twice as different genders basically. That would drive anyone crazy. Anyway, you can't fix crazy regardless of who it's from. You either can deal with it, or you can't. If you can't, you're hurting both of you by staying.
>>16816130 I've had some gender dysmorphia, but it went away when I recovered from some pretty nasty depression and anxiety. I'm still a gynephile, I still paint my toenails and wear women's underwear sometimes, but now it's a fetish or a hobby. I function happily as a male. If I had been offered hormones and surgery at 13, I would have taken them instantly It's now my opinion that there's a causational link between mental illness and transexuality. The research shows improvement in mental health in post-op transexuals, but it has become taboo to suggest treating them with antipsychotics or other psychoactives. We just don't treat mental illness like we do physical illness, you don't say you have 'pain somewhere' and get the same diagnosis as everyone, just because we understand physical health more. So really I don't know. There's a lot you can do to help someone with a personality disorder etc, but progress can be slow and it's a huge investment. Ask yourself if it's worth it, or if you should just get a nice twink. They'll fuck anything, most of them dress to a degree, and they can be pretty mentally healthy now we accept homosexuality
>>16816182 That's my theory, the best data shows huge rates of personality disorders in pre-op transexuals, but as I said the diagnosis of these things is completely subjective and symptomatic. They use 'depression scores' etc but it's very obvious what to choose to get which result, and relies on honesty from patients >>16816186 He's also a person who's went to extreme lengths because he truly he was born a woman. This isn't nearly as delusional as thinking you're a dog or whatever, but it may be guided by a serious mental health issue. In that case, it's something caused by environment, physiology, womb conditions, etc. Either way, it's a victimless crime and a very sincere and painful belief, it's only a very basic courtesy to use pronouns towards adults seriously living as the other gender
>>16816195 We're not sexually attracted to chromosomes, he could be fucking a tranny convincing enough to trick his brain and still be straight. Real gay sex is really fucking gay. There's a man naked, you have your face in pubes and balls, you can either fuck a hairy man ass or take it up your ass, which can be very painful even when done right, and in the end you might end up with warm, salty man cum in your mouth. People who just fuck trannies couldn't do that, it wouldn't arouse them and it would probably disgust them. They're not gay
>>16816204 personality disorders are a result of ones upbringing, and correlated to trauma. often trans people's families are not accepting and are even abusive towards them, do you not see why one would develop certain patterns to cope w/ that environment?
im not saying it is impossible for one to already have a personality disorder, and then come to realize that they're trans, though. mental illness does not automatically mean one is invalid
>>16816218 That's actually my point, when I was kinda 11-13 probably would have tried to get on hormones if I was any more depressed, and I was depressed because of my environment. So if I had a really shitty time, I'd prob be a tranny, I prob wouldn't have recovered as well as I have >>16816216 There's treatment options like drugs and CBT, but it's more like a problem you live with. Some weeks you forget all about it, some it's all you think about. It's a big commitment for a partner, make sure you're willing to do that and it's worth it
>>16816156 I'm sorry, I need to be politically correct for you. Once they had normal puberty as their normal gender, and then they took hormones of the other gender. And surprisingly they don't feel the same. They go through a hormonal change, even though it's self induced. Was there an argument against that? It's my understanding of it anyway.
>>16816247 It's still a fairly drastic change in emotions from what I gather. It's also just traumatic, even if you think they're crazy you must admit telling everyone about it and going through all these changes must be a nightmare. I'm not sure I'd call it a 'puberty' either, but it's certainly in the same ballpark
Gender dysphoria is a mental illness related to body dysmorphic disorder. They're crazy because they have a literal mental illness but instead of medicating it society has decided that expensive hormones and surgeries that place even more stress on the sufferer are a better way to deal with it.
>>16816259 I mean the puberty thing was sort of tongue in cheek with the "it'd drive anyone crazy." Sometimes I forget those things don't translate online.
My personal views? It might be good or beneficial for some people. But I think there are a lot of people who are depressed or have other issues that make them think changing genders would fix them. So.. There's good and bad I guess. Have to take things case by case.
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