Are we the most sexually frustrated generation of men ever? Because I keep on seeing alot of men doing stupid things because they can't get sex? Has it always been like this 20-50 years ago and I'm just naive or has sex gotten harder for some men to get? Is the average guy more unattractive now or have women gotten nitpickier? Did women's sexual liberation screw over some men in the sexual market? Will western countries end up as bad as Japan in the future when it comes to sex?
some of it is yes, women's sexual liberation gave them the pick of the litter. It's probably more on the line of this generation of men lost out on a lot of relationship education somewhere along the line. add in the invention of tinder/okc and the general hookup culture and we have the modern cuck
I don't believe it's as bad as some people make it out to be but there's no denying sexual liberation has made it harder for lower tier guys to get laid or find a woman. Guys are willing to fuck girls who are a lot uglier than what a girl would settle for. Women are also attracted to confidence but it can be incredibly difficult for a man to build confidence if he's been rejected and ignored his whole life.
>projection: the post
I would argue that things are a little tougher for the less good looking. Not just men or women, and I feel the reason is the internet. Options have gone way up. Back in the day, you sorta had just the people you grew up around. Now you can literally find people in online dating, school, video games, facebook, and to be honest, I think It screws relationships up, because it's easy validation. Instead of maybe, trying to improve yourself or improve your relationship, people just move on the next best thing, because it is so easy to do.
People can read a lot more online now. You can read a lot more about what people are going through, personal stories, blogs, Get it off your chest threads on /adv/, etc.
But how would you read accounts of individuals 20-50 years ago who were sexually frustrated unless they did anything huge and newsworthy?
Doesn't really prove there's more now.
No, in fact it should be easier. There's just a much larger audience for guys who can't get laid to complain together, perpetuating the thought that they're somehow being turned down for the "Chads" of the world.
There may be a little more truth that it's become more of a buyer's market though. What it means is that you can't just sit around and expect to get married off by mom and dad because you live close to a woman. You actually have to have something to offer. The thing is, most of us don't understand what "having something to offer" really is, and they think it's just money or some kind of redpill bullshit.
Sexual liberation hasn't made it harder on uglies. Uglies make it harder on themselves for staying ugly and not investing into some form of perfection, mental or physical.
You're conflating a few things. A drop in birth rate is directly tied to women's education levels. This is why the birth rate in 3rd world countries is exponential, and why it is so low in developed countries. It is not because it is harder for men to find a partner.
>are we the most sexually frustrated generation of men ever
Well, YOU might be sexually frustrated...
Women are getting more educated, and unfortunately in turn they're also getting snobbier. The long story short is that most women won't go for anyone below their education level or economic status. Combine this with the fact that in general women are getting more educated than men, and we have a recipe for dick disaster. The hookup culture plays another role in this as well. Long term relationships have been on the decline for a while.
I'm 21, I've fucked 15 girls, and I've had three relationships over a year long. I was balls deep in a cutie just this morning who begged me to stuff her panties in her mouth to gag her, pull her hair, spank her and slap her.
Getting laid isn't hard if you ain't a sperg.
People have higher expectations now. People, both men and women now expect their partner to be beautiful and fit, well educated, have a personality that matches theirs perfectly and have a spark of romance and passion that never dies.
It used to be pretty much: do you have all your limbs attached, are you the opposite sex, do you live nearby? let's get married.
Love and mutual understanding can save us all. I see a lot of first world countries, hand over sympathy like its toliet paper. Yet, sympathy should earned not given.
Empathy is the thing we are lacking in our countries. It is one of the reasons why wars start besides money.
If this is a man's world, it aint nothing without a woman.
>Are we the most sexually frustrated generation of men ever?
Ever? No. The Victorians were way more frustrated than this. We may be the most frustrated in living memory, though, and we are certainly less well equipped to deal with it than thr Victorians werr.
>Has it always been like this 20-50 years ago and I'm just naive or has sex gotten harder for some men to get?
Sex is easier to get than it has been in centuries, and possibly millennia. It is, however, also easier to fall into the traps that have been pushing women away: failure at self-care, monomania, viciousness, and isolation.
My thesis is that we ARE more frustrated than our forebears, it's not for the reason the redpillers think. The guilty party isn't women, but other men: specifically, the marketing industry.
It is no secret that it is easier to sell things to men who are sexually frustrated. Penis-enlargement scammers have known it for thousands of years. As marketing grew into an industry in its own right in the 20th century, it is unsurprising that the idea would have caught on in more mainstream circles.
In the 21st century, this business has grown into a manipulative art form. We are literally led around by the balls since puberty, first to create this frustrated state, offering quick but unsatisfying fixes (one need only look at the ads on this site for examples of that) to maintain it, and then exploiting it to sell us more crap. This is not a secret; the phrase "sex sells" has been in the lexicon for almost as long as the practice has been in use. For a long time, men thought that women needed to be marketed to using a different (though related) set of hormones -the mothering instinct- but this is rapidly changing.
Seriously. If you want to be less frustrated, cut your exposure to advertising as much as you can. It is not a total cure -some level of these hormones ARE natural, just not at these levels- but the difference, even over just a few weeks, is like night and day.
Men watch too much porn and play too much vidya nowadays. So their social skills are below par, and they can't hardly get hard for a regular woman anyhow.
Woman are spoiled by social media. You used to have to actually TALK to a woman to get her attention, now you just text her, so she's got a dozen cowards showering her with attention at all hours of the day. How do you expect to stand out from the crowd? Even if you talk to her in person, the moment you're away from her she's got 3 other dudes texting her telling her how beautiful she is, etc, etc,.
We are not the most sexually frustrated, we are the most lovingly frustrated generation of me ever
;__; , and women say men are "dogs".
I love banging high test sluts, but I need a high test wife one day.. and I just see a sea of sluts.
If anything things are probably better.
We have more choice than ever. We don't have to marry the first girl we impregnate because contraception is such a common thing.
Put down the nostalgia goggles.
>women won't date down
Does not apply
Me: 32yo pisspoor artist working part-time in dead end job, live in my studio because I can't afford to pay rent for both apartment and studio. Tuna and noodles for dinner.
Most recent fling: 29yo restaurant manager earning 65K (text from her five minutes ago: Come by on thursday for a meal, on the house!)
Explanation: I learnt how to hold a conversation like a man and build attraction with women.
Confidence is behavior, just fake it to you make it.
I have dated and been in relationships with several women in my life (not many since my LTRs have been 1, 5 and 4 years respectively), and 90% have earned at least twice as much as me.
It might be a cultural thing, though. I'm Scandinavian, and not stuck in Alimonyland
One thing I have always noticed is how insecure and cukky the average guy is around women while the jock or e.g. certain immigrants in my country are the polar opposite. It's my pet peeve and only I seem to be aware of it, after asking around..
Is it just me and my inferiority/superiority complex? Or does the average woman carry herself with some serious self confidence and couldn't care less if she/her opinion is approved by anyone except some male model on instagram she's crushing on or her peer group while the average guy basically BEGS for approval with not just girls but everyone?
I find it hard to put into words what I really mean. If I started listing examples I would look like a jackass because a lot of this stuff is "between the lines". And maybe I'm really just imagining things but in my eyes the typical guy in Uni here, he's a boy looking for mommy. (And I for one just want to lay down and rot but that's a different story.)
maybe my priorities are fucked or something, but I feel like you should be worried about the lack of breadth in your perspective more than your lack of a gf
Not really. I haven't had any problem with women. Treat them like how you'd want to treat yourself and you'd be surprised how far that goes. Women are already told that they're not to be shallow so you can easily date up as a guy.
Artsy goes a long way dude. You become a prop in a romantic fantasy, because most women have dull, creatively empty lives.
If you were just a loser with a part time dishwashing gig, you would not be so lucky.
Fag. Doting on women too much just makes them despise you.
theres a lot of reasons things are the way they are. i think the biggest issue is just how openly we discuss sex now. i dont think men were just as sexually frustrated as they are now when single, but we werent single for very long.
it was commonplace for a man to pick his bridge pretty early on, and the whole 'im not in the mood for sex' wasn't really a thing when your wife was essentially your property. this varied throughout time and place of it all.
back then you could also privately cheat more easily and if you did women simply would 'put up with it' because they didnt have much other choice. a married couple becomes more like siblings after a long period of time: someone you're stuck with and live with and have to deal with.
thank god im gay, i cant turn on my phone without getting laid.
I suspect there are more men out there who are involuntarily celibate than ever before, and many more women who will never have a fulfilling relationship with a husband because they are not attractive enough to lock down a man in her thirties. That's the bottom of the curve--the middle probably hasn't changed much (though they might have more partners, there's probably a similar amount of fucking going on).
Well, becoming an artist was a choice of my own. Still within the limits of what any man can achieve. It's just about being mysterious and providing something exotic. You can be librarian and have a really cool hobby you excel at, and it will serve the same purpose.
If you're doing night game, you can easily just be peacocking and instantly stand out. The other night I went to a club wearing my vintage pilot jacket. Girls came up to me, without any knowledge about my vocation.
Anyone can up their game. On most days I just wear plain H&M clothes. I'm not surprised that the same girls just pass me by, when I do.
What most /adv don't seem to understand is that women's taste and choices isn't something static. If you better your behavior, confidence, manners, speach, posture, body language, eye contact, and to some extent appearance, there's no limit.
here are my thoughts:
1. feminism/liberalism resulted in a generation of young boys raised by soft, passive fathers who never formed strong bonding relationships with their sons. the passive father/coddling mother dynamic has resulted in droves the most insecure, beta bitch boys imaginable
2. technology - the rise of video games has made it possible for men of this generation to grow up in near total isolation from their peers, causing them to miss major social hurdles and hindering their personal development
3. hookup culture and sexual liberation has a twin effect: you would think, on the one hand, that the promiscuity of our society would make having casual sex easier for everyone. in theory, this is true - for socially competent men. for low tier, awkward men, hookup culture actually makes it more difficult to have casual sex. under the old system, things tended to move slower, involved more rigid rituals and formalities that could be learned and followed. things today are much more impulsive, up in the air, ambiguous - they move faster, and with things like tinder, women have more options than ever. it used to be that even attractive women had to at least leave their homes to find a partner; now, all it takes is to go on an app, swipe your finger a few times, and pick the most attractive man that pops up. a combination of hookup culture and increased sexual agency for women has resulted in a buyer's market for that makes it harder for less attractive men to get laid.
at the end of the day, though, none of this is society's fault. it's on each man to solve his life, work through his autism so he can start getting some
>Are we the most sexually frustrated generation of men ever?
Pornography has been the best shit ever.
Literally *everyone* watches that shit, people complain about not getting a gf but that's because they are too busy enjoying fapping.
Back then your dad's only option at pussy was to chase girls, mags and VHSs were barely an option if that, purely because of the physical trail they left.
Shit, with the internet getting laid has become so incredibly easy, either by lowering your standards or paying a girl.
The real problem is guys who are too proud to see a hooker, too selective to date lower, and are just fine with porn.
We must also consider that women's taste in men has changed too: rather than someone who could be considered traditionally handsome, women seem to like guys with the "interesting" factor to their looks now instead.
Almost nobody would have found this attractive back in the day.
On some days it'll work, on other days not so much. There are many factors, including at what stage in the moon cycle the women you approach are in atm.
Point is, whether you are frustrated or not, is a choice. I got game, but only because I worked at it. I also know what frustration feels like.
I can hold a conversation and build attraction, but I'm hopeless at turning it into sex or a relationship. I just haven't got a clue about how to move it on from there. The girls I've slept with all made a move on me, but that was when I was much younger and now I'm at an age where it's much harder to meet women and they're much less willing to accept a guy without the skills or confidence to come onto them.
>Are we the most sexually frustrated generation of men ever?
Asking this in the day and age where you can talk to someone who lives on the other side of the planet and there are apps that are specifically designed to get casual sex at your fingertips. Did you think this through?
Those apps are totally useless to any guy who can't already go out to a bar and effortlessly bring a girl home, though.
The 80/20 thing may not be true in person, but it's science on Tinder.
>The 80/20 thing may not be true in person, but it's science on Tinder.
Tinder was explicitly built to enable that kind of dating. It can't be used as an indicator of anything outside that context.
She might just want my dick, sure, but then again I'm polyamorous and not looking for a long term girlfriend. This is a sexually frustrated thread, not a how to catch oneitis thread.
I don't care what she wants long term, if anything I'm the one holding back as I'm naturally prone to attachment.
Which anon are you, and what did I prove right?
The trick is to push just outside of your comfort zone. Of course you also need to know which signs to look for, but my point is that you're responsible for helping women feel the way they need to feel in order to show the right signs.
If you know how to build attraction, you just have to dare to be just a little bit greater and actually act in the attraction you've built. She knows what's going on, so if you just lean in when, the rest will come natural.
This anon gets it.
And I'd like to stress the last bit, because it truly is up to each and every one of us. In my teens I watched The Shawshank Redemption, and what Morgan Freeman's character repeated towards the end became the most important quote of my adolescence.
>Get busy living, or get busy dying.
>Make this into a sticky.
>Because I keep on seeing
This is the only difference with this generation. Back in the day, you might hear about the loser X from a friend of a friend, these days every fucking idiot can get world wide attention.
Besides, "thanks" to the Internet, socially retarded people have lesser initiative to act normal.
Not acting normal doesn't always = you can't get laid, It's not just the guys not acting normal.
Throughout my school years the strangest people I have met have been girls. The Twilight/Anime ones, there was no shortage of strange guys to fuck them too.
I am not necessarily mean "normal" in conformist sense and not having weird hobbies or quirks, just don't be too socially retarded "nice guy" or a neckbeard.
All the guys IRL I know who are into anime get laid just fine, one is even married. That shit is pretty irrelevant.
But he's kind of actually not: you find his characters attractive.
Kind of like how women thought Hugh Laurie was sexy because of House.
No wonder women get played by fuccbois, you guys are fucking dumb.
Boy's just don't have any game any-more.
I'm happily married 30 yearold but keep getting hit on by 20-25 yearolds girls every weekend.
The girls are gagging for it but the boys don't or can't deliver.
>Me: 32yo pisspoor artist
There you go, you have some attractive traits
>Explanation: I learnt how to hold a conversation like a man and build attraction with women.
Confidence is behavior, just fake it to you make it.
Learn how demographics work
>Or does the average woman carry herself with some serious self confidence and couldn't care less if she/her opinion is approved by anyone except some male model on instagram she's crushing on or her peer group while the average guy basically BEGS for approval with not just girls but everyone?
Completely true. Men need to start figuring out why the fuck they've gotten to be such little bitches about everything, and be more like the women who don't give a fuck. Afterall, that's what women find attractive in men--men who don't really give a shit if the women around him pine for him. He'll pick up the one he wants when he wants it. That's what girls are doing.
But also you are right about being older, and >>16708715 is with me.
We are men in our prime, it just keeps getting better
>if you act on it
Still, I want to acknowledge the fact that just because you're older doesn't mean girls will throw themselves at you. You still need to game, be confident, build attraction...
You can be 20 at leave 30yo guys behind you. Cliche as it may be, age is just a number, and becoming 30 =/= becoming a man
Also, OP never defined what he meant by
Men have been castrated since birth, their mothers treat them like a gay friend, their fathers refuse to do anything other than providing money for the kid and society in general punishes kids who are developing a normal personality after they entered school
>some of it is yes, women's sexual liberation gave them the pick of the litter.
Bitch please. 100 years ago, convincing a woman to have sex with you was basically like asking them to jump off a cliff. Or you had to be the one to jump by marrying them. And no one knew what the fuck they were doing so it was probably 98% awful 'lie back and think of England' sex.
Not to mention female sexual freedom, pushback against slut shaming and victim blaming, widely available birth control and overall increased comfort with discussing and supporting the female body and everything required to maintain it in a sexually active, baby-free state - all of which means vastly increased female sexual enjoyment and confidence.
People are having more sex than ever these days. Any frustration simply comes from 'sex sells' advertising flowing harder and faster than the blueballed masses can keep up with.
>their fathers refuse to do anything other than providing money for the kid
If this is true, then the problem goes back at least one or two more generations. In which case it's the most dire and important thing men need to notice and overcome. If a father is not fulfilling his role as being a strong male role model in his son's life, he's damaging his son's chances.
As rich guy all of this doesnt seem to apply, girls dont date up anymore, there are very few girls that show interest in me because of money or looks (I am good looking). Women are fully hooked on romantics like its crack cokain.
Everything that is artsy and expressing his feeling pulls high class chicks like crazy. Dating an intelligent successfull guy means work, but having a poor guy, that will kiss your feet. Sings a song for you and most importantly HAS TIME LEFT FOR YOU. Thats pretty relaxing. He will be happy, if you marry him, he will be happy if you give him children and that makes girls happy. In the short term obviously, because they also want to live the lifestyle of the richer couples.
Some of the hottest chicks from rich parents I know travel the world and meet eager poor foreigners that give her the world.
Thats why a lot of young guys try to be artsy and special, we call it hipster.
>Literally *everyone* watches that shit, people complain about not getting a gf but that's because they are too busy enjoying fapping.
This. It's the same shit of everyone complaining about being lonely while fishing for likes on Facebook all day every day.
We're just going exactly where the sci fi authors have been warnings us for the last 50 years. Unfortunately instead of being listened to, all the scientists-to-be read their shit and just thought "what a cool idea!"
The western world is built upon autistic mens shoulders.
As a german, really, what else is the german stereotype? Always on time, precision, hard working, dedicated.
The western culture is a lot more autistic than all the others, and it works as long as women marry those successfull men. But we are now at a point, where women dont want to do that anymore, they see how other cultures are cold towards them unlike others.
>1. feminism/liberalism resulted in a generation of young boys raised by soft, passive fathers who never formed strong bonding relationships with their sons. the passive father/coddling mother dynamic has resulted in droves the most insecure, beta bitch boys imaginable
This isn't too bad actually. Widespread use of birth control is actually making general female perceptions of attraction shift towards more feminine traits. So this part might even itself out. Especially as feminism continues to chug along and make femininity more and more acceptable in males.
Wat to all of that.
Look it up. Birth control fucks with womens' hormones making their body think it's constantly pregnant so it makes them seek out nurturing traits rather than strong protective traits, and also their birth controlled pee is going into the ocean and making all the fish gay.
>Women are already told that they're not to be shallow
kek, truth. No woman has ever said "I really like this guy but I'm scared 'cause he's kinda fat and my girl friends will make fun of me wat do!!! c-can I trick him into losing weight?!!! does this mean I'm gay?!!!"
>just become a doctor
>just become a physicist
>just become a body builder
I didn't say it was quick or easy, but people damn sure do it. You don't get 80 years on this planet to sit at home playing with your dick all day. I don't care if it takes you decades, if you want it just fucking do it.
Genetic inferiority. Evolution as it were. At most half of all men in history successfully reproduced, and since protection and monogamy weren't prominent for most of human history sex resulted in pregnancy most of the time and therefore only half the men got sex. Since monogamy has been abandoned by Western society, it has returned to the state of at least half the males being almost or totally sexless. You just won't hear about it publicly because of the stigma associated with being a sexually unviable male
>2/3 of human ancestry is female
>half as many male ancestors as females
>since it's statistically unlikely that all females reproduced, less than half of all males reproduced
I'm just stating what is. If you wanna be all "boo hoo" about then go ahead.
Here's my take. Please note I'm not a MGTOW or resentful toward women. I have a gf of 1 year.
Women are actually better suited for the modern workplace. Or rather, through lawsuits and HR departments women have crafted the modern workplace to be a place more suitable to them.
School is also a very gyno-centric institution run by women, regulated by women, formulated by women, and overseen by women. Boys are treated like defective girls, and a lot of them have no male role models in their lives, and as a result never learn how to be men. So fortunate few men who did survive the brain washing thus stand out so much more in contrast with all the beta-males out there today.
Compounding this effect however, is the fact that even a "man's man" has a hard time getting a good, high-status job these days. They just really aren't out there.
>inb4 muh STEM
Women don't fuck autists.
And of course, women are no longer slut-shamed like they used to be. It is socially acceptable for women to "casually date" which, in reality means to be part of a soft-harem of an alpha-male who is hoarding all the good looking women. And women are naturally hypergamous. A woman in her 20s earning a respectable $40k a year would absolutely resent dating a man who makes $40k or even $50k, or god forbid he makes less than her.
So if you're good looking, wealthy, and masculine you should have absolutely no problem juggling as many female partners as you want, they really have no other choices, unless they decide to settle for less desirable partners. IE Beta males.
>men are more beta
>make the alpha males stick out
>women are sluttier
>women prefer sharing alpha males with hopes of ensnaring him somehow for themselves rather than committing to a single beta male.
Heres what I think
Women actually have a choice now. Not all women are like this, just about 50% of the women I know all have a perfect "Chad" that they built in their head. However there are dudes who have a perfect "Emily" in their head too. Its both sides.
Technology evolving also has something to do with it. Communication (via text, PM, or other), Video games, Porn,and the internet in general actually has made guys more awkward around girls. Porn makes a lot of guys think all women act like this when in reality they don't. Also a majority of women usually don't like a guy if and when thry find out he is watching porn. The internet in general is also a source. Male dominated sites are often going to see a major bashing of feminism, Hopeful bitches and fuckgirls in general, then that makes men think all women are like that.
Women also have an overload of romantic movies that feauture an avergae looking women finding a very attractive man. This has built up standards among women for the perfect man.
Instead of bashing women on /b/, Men's Humor and other sites, men need to go out of their way to actually meet women. Same goes for women who frequently bash men and complain about not finding the perfect man.
>And women are naturally hypergamous.
Like all humans, eh.
>A woman in her 20s earning a respectable $40k a year would absolutely resent dating a man who makes $40k or even $50k, or god forbid he makes less than her.
Most desirable women in their 20s just date other fucking students.
>if you're good looking
Barely relevant. As long you're not super ugly or short.
A huge plus but not really relevant either.
As in confident and self assured? That's very important indeed.
The thing missing is "funny/witty." It doesn't matter how great you look, how much money you got or how confident you are, no woman sans golddigger would date a boring guy.
>Also a majority of women usually don't like a guy if and when thry find out he is watching porn
Huh? I have a meet a chick who was totally against it IRL yet. Hell, my current girlfriend didn't want to date anybody who DOESN'T masturbate.
>Are we the most sexually frustrated generation of men ever?
Before the industrial revolution, half of your non-heir kids would die young from disease and the other half would be flung into war like arrows. These people never got laid unless they conquered an enemy city; they just didn't have internet to complain about it.
We are perhaps the *first* generation that will be able to have VR and cuddlebots to make up for the lack of human interaction. Hell, artificial wombs may even exist during our lifetimes.
We probably have the most compared the last few hundred years.
In the last few generations it was only the adventurous guys having lots of sex. Now all people have to do is go out and join in.
I think the main change is that stupid people aren't being told what to do anymore.
Struggling artists can get a pass, if they're skilled in their craft. Women also like the challenge of winning an artist over their fittest love: their art. Women would love to brag about being ankle to change a nan into what they want. That is the man of nearly every woman's dream: the one that will chant into exactly what they want and show off to everyone that they made him change.